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Morning Mist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:53:00 - [211] Originally by: Akelorian Originally by: Vladic Ka Do you even understand sov mechanics? Why yes I do, your crying about what two whole systems in delve that are sov 3? about a name change that doesn't really affect anything? Are you guys that immature that the only thing you can complain about is, OMFG CCP so Favours BoB? shrug if its that difficult for you to take two sov 3 systems, its no surprise that the only way delve was taken was by fully removing the sov that BoB had by dissolving the alliance. So do you know anything about sov mechanics? Playing by the rules is really too hard for people to understand I guess. I love the justification though that the rules can be bent if it's "only a few systems".
Tector GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:53:00 - [212] Originally by: Akelorian Originally by: Vladic Ka Do you even understand sov mechanics? Why yes I do, your crying about what two whole systems in delve that are sov 3? about a name change that doesn't really affect anything? Are you guys that immature that the only thing you can complain about is, OMFG CCP so Favours BoB? shrug if its that difficult for you to take two sov 3 systems, its no surprise that the only way delve was taken was by fully removing the sov that BoB had by dissolving the alliance. So do you know anything about sov mechanics? Now, I've been busy with school and haven't been up and up on the war in Delve, but last I checked the issue didn't have much to do with Kenny's non-existant sov in Delve.
Garathyal	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:53:00 - [213] Edited by: Garathyal on 25/03/2009 19:53:47 CCP-Swarm responds with the usual bollox. It is a cave in to the usual spam most of us can see that.
Akelorian Caldari The first genesis INTERDICTION	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:54:00 - [214] I love you goonies, I want to take one of you home and keep you, and cuddle you and call you George, oh and pet you. Your feeble attempts to stir anger out of me by insulting the alliance I am a member of, will not work. I care little about who is who, all I've learned is that goons will cry about anything, and pull the innocent bystanders while labeling everyone a cheater other than yourselves. In my humble opinion, its just a name. Petition for your alliance name to be changed. And if it is, I doubt anyone will care. But I suppose it would take someone not on your side to dissolve the Goons alliance, take the name with an alt, and laugh about it. I fully see why people are taking this way too seriously. As I have stated it is a name change, they have a few systems in delve at sov 3, and what does it really hurt? Yes that [redacted - Fallout] is something that we can no longer have been refered too as. though I did chuckle when that was first brought up.
Zothike Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:55:00 - [215] cut'n paste from locked previous thread Bad decision CCP How do you destroy alliance ? with moral blow Goonswarm "dismissing" BoB was a big moral blow , whatever how they achieved it, it was within what is allowed to players. CCP employee using theyre power to allow BoB to regain a new alliance name that fit theyre will, is a huge moral boost, what other mean within game mecanics would have being an equivalent moral boost ? killing a goons titans in a battle ? minimum ! Yes "changing a name" can seems nothing, but it is not, it is a direct big help to ex BoB
Nick Curso Black Nova Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:56:00 - [216] Originally by: Vladic Ka Originally by: Akelorian Late posting in a, BoB is favoured by GM's, whine responce thread to goons complaints. Well, This is a game, an Alliance name was changed, it had no effect on anything in the game, other than causing an uproar, for what? A few letters being changed? Are you really that upset that you can't refer to us as [redacted - Fallout] anymore? You are making the maturity level of the eve online community look more like that of the WoW Community. We play to fight, have fun, and die. This is only a game, Remember that. P.S - If you are offended by anything that I have stated, I apologize. I don't want to make anyone cry. - Akelorian Do you even understand sov mechanics? Nice Sig
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:56:00 - [217] Good job CCP, you did the right thing! And props on your initiative to discuss this policy with CSM. Also, lawlin' at the guys in here ignoring that just as many non-Goons were in protest of this as there were Goons. Now time to relax, I guess... But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
thelung187 Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:57:00 - [218] Firstly, to GM Grimmi, way to step up. You guys did the right thing here, even if it did take 25-page threads and tons of community outcry Originally by: Twobits PieCake After all the harsh words on this subject matter, and as a show of good faith from all parties, i think we can all agree a more suitable name would be [KenZoku Reloaded] A good compromise and more fitting as it also reflects the recent swapping of names back and forth. A valid and agreeable compromise. The old KenZoku is dead, long live KenZoku Revolutions
Poopsock Alarmclock Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:58:00 - [219] Originally by: Nick Curso Edited by: Nick Curso on 25/03/2009 18:51:20 lol Seriously I wanna titan everyone cry enough to get me one please :) You guys brought this behaviour on yourselves CCP caving time and again to spamming enjoy. GL next time there's something ppl don't like. Look, you guys could still own CCP if you weren't such **ING TARDS. Deliberately configuring Tinfoil so that a single person could disband BOB instantly? Petitioning a name change to an existing alliance after deliberately joining just to keep sov? And then not even bothering to try to defend that sov? CCP wants** to help you guys, they really do, but you have to stop making yourselves look like idiots, otherwise their hands are tied.
Dmian Gallente Gallenterrorisme	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:59:00 - [220] Very happy about this resolution. I understand that a petition worded in a confusing way may lead a GM to believe that KenZoku was a new alliance and that may have taken CCP to take the previous (wrong) action. I'm happy that CCP considered the players view, re-evaluated the action taken and reverted it to its previous state. And now goons can stop being right about something and just be goons again... ---- Originally by: Anne M. Lindbergh There is no sin punished more implacably by nature than the sin of resistance to change

Garathyal	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:59:00 - [221] Originally by: GM Grimmi We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies. How many of those are Goons and goon alts?
Revonanist	Posted - 2009.03.25 20:00:00 - [222] I love goon tears, much more salty than carebear tears. BoB or .BoB. or Kenny whatever once said their stated aim was to control all of 0.0 (a goal I daresay many space holding alliances would aim for) Goons decided this was arrogant and a feud between BoB and goons would dominate EvE politics for years. Goons on the other hand have stated that their 'goal' is to destroy Eve using all game and meta-game mechanics. Fighting BoB was/is just a sideline. Changing Kenny to .BoB. has only made the goons sulk and pout like the whining children they appear to be. Nice one CCP, I applaud your actions in this matter. Having said that, it does appear you are showing a modi****of favouritism regarding BoB which shows poor judgement imho. As a plain ordinary player, these threadnoughts are entertaining but have zero impact on my gameplay and do little to raise my opinion of goons (or BoB for that matter).
The Qat Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 20:00:00 - [223] Originally by: Garathyal Originally by: GM Grimmi We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies. How many of those are Goons and goon alts? 1-2? If you really think we have undue influence on CCP then you are stupid
XoPhyte Black Nova Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.03.25 20:01:00 - [224] Edited by: XoPhyte on 25/03/2009 20:01:56 Originally by: Ignoramus Dingle KenZoku, you need to get over your internet egos and realize you're not above the rules. if you want a name change, create a new alliance and drop sov claims just like everyone else. Sigh. When you petition for a reimbursed ship and it gets denied can I come to the forums and yell "you are not above the rules!!!". It's CCP's job to know and enforce the rules. It doesn't show that we think we are above the rules. I fail to understand why everything gets twisted this way. Bob leadership explained the situation, CCP agreed and changed the name, however precident shows that this is against the rules and changed it back. Again ,it's CCP's job to know and enforce the rules, they clearly messed this one up. It would have been far better to simply say "No, it's against the rules" then change it to simply change it back a few days later.
BiaXia Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 20:01:00 - [225] Originally by: Garathyal Edited by: Garathyal on 25/03/2009 19:53:47 CCP-Swarm responds with the usual bollox. It is a cave in to the usual spam most of us can see that. I'll indulge you, let's say we do have devs. If that were the case, do you think a name change would have happened in the first place?
Ironnight Caldari x13 X13 Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 20:01:00 - [226] Originally by: GM Grimmi We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weÆd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples. We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies. Good god this is lame, well guess whinning works, congrats to all the crybabies. They're like 'oh **** son, its a trap Doomsday
Imperator Caesar	Posted - 2009.03.25 20:03:00 - [227] Its ok kenny. After a couple months or warring, you will lose all your space any way and than you mightest well change your name. Pick something not stupid pls.
Akelorian Caldari The first genesis INTERDICTION	Posted - 2009.03.25 20:03:00 - [228] Originally by: Morning Mist Playing by the rules is really too hard for people to understand I guess. I love the justification though that the rules can be bent if it's "only a few systems". if you want to take that as justification for that feel free. I just don't seem to realize what the big issue is? Its just a few letters in an internet spaceship game, that we all pay for to enjoy. Are you saying that if you worked for a corporation in the real world, that was bought out by a bigger company, and they decided it was fine to change the name, that you would right out quit? Seriously, if this was the real world, its up to CCPS sole discression to decide weather or not something is warranted, labeling this company as cheaters, liars and showing favourtism to an entity within the game, is causing more than just problems within the eve universe. You are attempting to give this company, whom spends how much money to update (freely of course) this game for all of us to enjoy. Perhaps being as it may that you think ruining CCP's name over a few text letters isd justifyable, I deemand that CCP begins to make future expansions something you have to pay for, Like blizzard. I'll pay to see you guys cry :)
bitters much Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.25 20:04:00 - [229] I guess there goes my petition for renaming my character back to Lube Myholes like it was when I created her But gratz CCP for admitting your wrong doing.
The Qat Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 20:04:00 - [230] Originally by: XoPhyte Edited by: XoPhyte on 25/03/2009 20:01:56 Originally by: Ignoramus Dingle KenZoku, you need to get over your internet egos and realize you're not above the rules. if you want a name change, create a new alliance and drop sov claims just like everyone else. Sigh. When you petition for a reimbursed ship and it gets denied can I come to the forums and yell "you are not above the rules!!!". It's CCP's job to know and enforce the rules. It doesn't show that we think we are above the rules. I fail to understand why everything gets twisted this way. Bob leadership explained the situation, CCP agreed and changed the name, however precident shows that this is against the rules and changed it back. Again ,it's CCP's job to know and enforce the rules, they clearly messed this one up. It would have been far better to simply say "No, it's against the rules" then change it to simply change it back a few days later. wrong--the right solution is whatever results in the most kenny tears ccp is on fire in this regard

Garathyal	Posted - 2009.03.25 20:04:00 - [231] Originally by: BiaXia Originally by: Garathyal Edited by: Garathyal on 25/03/2009 19:53:47 CCP-Swarm responds with the usual bollox. It is a cave in to the usual spam most of us can see that. I'll indulge you, let's say we do have devs. If that were the case, do you think a name change would have happened in the first place? Sorry are you a goon alt or a goon main? I am not sure who I am talking to on these forums.
Gallente Price	Posted - 2009.03.25 20:05:00 - [232] Goddamn goon alts. This is like 90% goon alts, 5% disillusional people, and 5% real people.
Morning Mist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 20:05:00 - [233] Originally by: Akelorian I fully see why people are taking this way too seriously. As I have stated it is a name change, they have a few systems in delve at sov 3, and what does it really hurt? AGain I ask, if everyone else has to play by the rules (And I mean everyone not just Goons. Empire Alliances, everyone.) Why shouldn't Kenzoku?
BiaXia Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 20:06:00 - [234] Originally by: Garathyal Originally by: BiaXia Originally by: Garathyal Edited by: Garathyal on 25/03/2009 19:53:47 CCP-Swarm responds with the usual bollox. It is a cave in to the usual spam most of us can see that. I'll indulge you, let's say we do have devs. If that were the case, do you think a name change would have happened in the first place? Sorry are you a goon alt or a goon main? I am not sure who I am talking to on these forums. I'm a main, don't have any alts. Now would you care to answer my question? I'll repeat it for you if you'd like.
Onwyn Orbatsuu Quicksilver Industries and Painful Effects Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.25 20:06:00 - [235] Originally by: Swamp Ziro Originally by: Svett Just a reminder to all you wild kids out there ; He who whines most, wins! at least we play by the rules
Swamp Ziro GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 20:06:00 - [236] Originally by: XoPhyte Edited by: XoPhyte on 25/03/2009 20:01:56 Originally by: Ignoramus Dingle KenZoku, you need to get over your internet egos and realize you're not above the rules. if you want a name change, create a new alliance and drop sov claims just like everyone else. Sigh. When you petition for a reimbursed ship and it gets denied can I come to the forums and yell "you are not above the rules!!!". It's CCP's job to know and enforce the rules. It doesn't show that we think we are above the rules. I fail to understand why everything gets twisted this way. Bob leadership explained the situation, CCP agreed and changed the name, however precident shows that this is against the rules and changed it back. Again ,it's CCP's job to know and enforce the rules, they clearly messed this one up. It would have been far better to simply say "No, it's against the rules" then change it to simply change it back a few days later. it's ok brah I understand we were just saying mean things to draw attention Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
Mrs Trzzbk GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 20:08:00 - [237] Originally by: Akelorian We play to fight, have fun, and die. Mainly that last bit in INTERDICTION's case. -------- Signature removed. Not suitable. Navigator
Pesadel0 Minmatar Black Nova Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.03.25 20:08:00 - [238] Originally by: The Qat Originally by: XoPhyte Edited by: XoPhyte on 25/03/2009 20:01:56 Originally by: Ignoramus Dingle KenZoku, you need to get over your internet egos and realize you're not above the rules. if you want a name change, create a new alliance and drop sov claims just like everyone else. Sigh. When you petition for a reimbursed ship and it gets denied can I come to the forums and yell "you are not above the rules!!!". It's CCP's job to know and enforce the rules. It doesn't show that we think we are above the rules. I fail to understand why everything gets twisted this way. Bob leadership explained the situation, CCP agreed and changed the name, however precident shows that this is against the rules and changed it back. Again ,it's CCP's job to know and enforce the rules, they clearly messed this one up. It would have been far better to simply say "No, it's against the rules" then change it to simply change it back a few days later. wrong--the right solution is whatever results in the most kenny tears ccp is on fire in this regard You were the ones crying and pretty loud ones at that
Brobuck GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 20:08:00 - [239] Originally by: Akelorian an Alliance name was changed, it had no effect on anything in the game, other than causing an uproar, for what? A few letters being changed? Are you really that upset that you can't refer to us as [redacted - Fallout] anymore? - Akelorian The fact that they changed their name was never an issue, and you are obviously being deliberately dense to insinuate such a claim. The problem was in the fact that only the Band of Beavers had the clout with CCP to make it happen without following the rules everyone else in this game has to follow. I don't care what they call themselves, hell, I doubt I'll see them anymore (I don't go to empire), but I want the same rules for everyone.
Mr M Legion of Illuminated Social Rejects	Posted - 2009.03.25 20:09:00 - [240] Originally by: The Qat you're under the mistaken assumption that it's possible to offend goons You guys have been crying like babies for a couple of days now, I don't really think you can go back to that "we don't really care" attitude. EVEgeek\|Eden Underground Radio



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