Originally by: GM Grimmi

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the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

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Originally by: Svett

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Just a reminder to all you wild kids out there ;
He who whines most, wins!

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Originally by: Fred0

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Oh My God. The amount of drama back and forth is amazing. :)

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weÆd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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Originally by: Svett

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Just a reminder to all you wild kids out there ;
He who whines most, wins!

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands.

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Originally by: Svett

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Just a reminder to all you wild kids out there ;
He who whines most, wins!

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Originally by: Soggybottom

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Only one thing died tonight and that was honour. To roaring applause...

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Originally by: Vincent Gaines

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Originally by: Svett

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Just a reminder to all you wild kids out there ;
He who whines most, wins!

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you should be happy, "Band of Brothers Reloaded" was not only horrible, but jesus... just embarassing.

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weÆd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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on the one hand this is a good resolution

however, the explanation for it strains credulity

1. why were you unaware that kenzoku was a longstanding pet alliance? this is hardly 'news' and alliances have born-on-dates

2. when were all these other 'permissable' name changes? what makes it 'ok' to change a name? we have lots of anecdotal responses from players saying that namechanges were denied for a variety of reasons, yet few (if any) well-known cases where voluntary namechanges were allowed. seeing the hard data on # of changes vs # of denied changes would allow us to stop speculating and focus on actual numbers

3. what is the actual policy on name changes? what differentiates a legal name-change from an impermissible namechange?

la la~

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Originally by: Carfex

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Congrats to caving in to Goon tears.

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Originally by: Nick Curso

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Hey do we threadnaught now?

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weÆd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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Originally by: Apertotes

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tbh, boot.ini was overpowered and needed a nerf

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Originally by: Lady Lard

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Originally by: Carfex

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Congrats to caving in to Goon tears.

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their first mistake was caving in to kenny tears

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Originally by: Nick Curso

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Hey do we threadnaught now?

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Originally by: Svett

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Originally by: Vincent Gaines

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Originally by: Svett

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Just a reminder to all you wild kids out there ;
He who whines most, wins!

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you should be happy, "Band of Brothers Reloaded" was not only horrible, but jesus... just embarassing.

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I still say we should be Disband of Brothers.

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Originally by: penifSMASH

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This is RIDICULOUS. CCP's wishy-washiness and LACK OF RESPECT FOR THE PLAYERBASE simply boggles me. I demand that CCP change their name back to Band of Brother Reloaded, they are a great alliance with A LONG HISTORY and deserve their name back FOR ALL THEY'VE GIVEN TO THE EVE COMMUNITY. Lady Scarlet, Dianabolic, Per Mollen -- you have my sympathies and I will fight for you every step of the way.

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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Originally by: penifSMASH

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Whoa I didn't know Darius JOHNSON was the Prime Minister of Iceland!!! How much are the Goons paying you off, CCP???

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Originally by: Beaty Swollocks

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LOL


A little bit of whining seems to go a LOOOOONG way in this game, be it for ship nerfs or what ever.


Talk about have no balls to stand up to a few bell ends.

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands.

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Originally by: Carfex

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Congrats to caving in to Goon tears.

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Originally by: Swamp Ziro

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at least we play by the rules

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weÆd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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Originally by: Oran Sound

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You guys are mean. They just didn't want that crappy anime name.

NO ANIMES

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Originally by: Davor

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Originally by: Carfex

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Congrats to caving in to Goon tears.

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It's a congrats to not caving into Kenny tears, go watch more anime. If you want a new alliance name you damn well should do it like the rest of Eve has to. Keep crying though, your tears are so sweet.

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weÆd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Originally by: Swamp Ziro

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at least we play by the rules

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TBH no large alliance plays by the rules. Not you, not Kenny, not RED or anyone.

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Originally by: Nick Curso

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KenZoku

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weÆd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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Originally by: Asestorian

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CCP on the side of the Goons again I see.

Utterly disgraceful.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weÆd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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GM Grimmi.

Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?

I understand there is precedent for this process (see Cult of War) and would you agree with me that allowing Band of Brothers leadership their alliance identity back with zero sovereignty and the appropriate alliance formation payment would be the appropriate and fair resolution of this case?

I think you have correctly reached the conclusion that one part of this resolution (kenzoku into band of brothers reloaded) was incorrectly handled.

Will you now ensure that the other part of the resolution (failing to remove/rename the goonswarm identity blocking corp) will also now be rectified.

Thanks in advance.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weÆd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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GM Grimmi.

Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?

I understand there is precedent for this process (see Cult of War) and would you agree with me that allowing Band of Brothers leadership their alliance identity back with zero sovereignty and the appropriate alliance formation payment would be the appropriate and fair resolution of this case?

I think you have correctly reached the conclusion that one part of this resolution (kenzoku into band of brothers reloaded) was incorrectly handled.

Will you now ensure that the other part of the resolution (failing to remove/rename the goonswarm identity blocking corp) will also now be rectified.

Thanks in advance.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weÆd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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GM Grimmi.

Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?

I understand there is precedent for this process (see Cult of War) and would you agree with me that allowing Band of Brothers leadership their alliance identity back with zero sovereignty and the appropriate alliance formation payment would be the appropriate and fair resolution of this case?

I think you have correctly reached the conclusion that one part of this resolution (kenzoku into band of brothers reloaded) was incorrectly handled.

Will you now ensure that the other part of the resolution (failing to remove/rename the goonswarm identity blocking corp) will also now be rectified.

Thanks in advance.

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Originally by: Swamp Ziro

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Originally by: Swamp Ziro

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at least we play by the rules

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TBH no large alliance plays by the rules. Not you, not Kenny, not RED or anyone.

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sure we do.

If we didn't, there would be a huge public outcry, a lot of threads, the CSM would intervene and we'd get .... do you see where I'm going with this yet?

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Originally by: Malloreigh

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What a twist!

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Originally by: Svett

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Originally by: Vincent Gaines

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Originally by: Svett

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Just a reminder to all you wild kids out there ;
He who whines most, wins!

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you should be happy, "Band of Brothers Reloaded" was not only horrible, but jesus... just embarassing.

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I still say we should be Disband of Brothers.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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GM Grimmi.

Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?

I understand there is precedent for this process (see Cult of War) and would you agree with me that allowing Band of Brothers leadership their alliance identity back with zero sovereignty and the appropriate alliance formation payment would be the appropriate and fair resolution of this case?

I think you have correctly reached the conclusion that one part of this resolution (kenzoku into band of brothers reloaded) was incorrectly handled.

Will you now ensure that the other part of the resolution (failing to remove/rename the goonswarm identity blocking corp) will also now be rectified.

Thanks in advance.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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GM Grimmi.

Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?

I understand there is precedent for this process (see Cult of War) and would you agree with me that allowing Band of Brothers leadership their alliance identity back with zero sovereignty and the appropriate alliance formation payment would be the appropriate and fair resolution of this case?

I think you have correctly reached the conclusion that one part of this resolution (kenzoku into band of brothers reloaded) was incorrectly handled.

Will you now ensure that the other part of the resolution (failing to remove/rename the goonswarm identity blocking corp) will also now be rectified.

Thanks in advance.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weÆd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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GM Grimmi.

Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?

I understand there is precedent for this process (see Cult of War) and would you agree with me that allowing Band of Brothers leadership their alliance identity back with zero sovereignty and the appropriate alliance formation payment would be the appropriate and fair resolution of this case?

I think you have correctly reached the conclusion that one part of this resolution (kenzoku into band of brothers reloaded) was incorrectly handled.

Will you now ensure that the other part of the resolution (failing to remove/rename the goonswarm identity blocking corp) will also now be rectified.

Thanks in advance.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weÆd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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GM Grimmi.

Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?

I understand there is precedent for this process (see Cult of War) and would you agree with me that allowing Band of Brothers leadership their alliance identity back with zero sovereignty and the appropriate alliance formation payment would be the appropriate and fair resolution of this case?

I think you have correctly reached the conclusion that one part of this resolution (kenzoku into band of brothers reloaded) was incorrectly handled.

Will you now ensure that the other part of the resolution (failing to remove/rename the goonswarm identity blocking corp) will also now be rectified.

Thanks in advance.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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GM Grimmi.

Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?

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Originally by: Xaen

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Oh my god, you killed resurrected kenny!

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weÆd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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GM Grimmi.

Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?

I understand there is precedent for this process (see Cult of War) and would you agree with me that allowing Band of Brothers leadership their alliance identity back with zero sovereignty and the appropriate alliance formation payment would be the appropriate and fair resolution of this case?

I think you have correctly reached the conclusion that one part of this resolution (kenzoku into band of brothers reloaded) was incorrectly handled.

Will you now ensure that the other part of the resolution (failing to remove/rename the goonswarm identity blocking corp) will also now be rectified.

Thanks in advance.

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Originally by: Xaen

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Oh my god, you killed resurrected kenny!

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Originally by: Scatim Helicon

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Originally by: Asestorian

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CCP on the side of the Goons again I see.

Utterly disgraceful.

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We control your game now.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weÆd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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GM Grimmi.

Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?

I understand there is precedent for this process (see Cult of War) and would you agree with me that allowing Band of Brothers leadership their alliance identity back with zero sovereignty and the appropriate alliance formation payment would be the appropriate and fair resolution of this case?

I think you have correctly reached the conclusion that one part of this resolution (kenzoku into band of brothers reloaded) was incorrectly handled.

Will you now ensure that the other part of the resolution (failing to remove/rename the goonswarm identity blocking corp) will also now be rectified.

Thanks in advance.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weÆd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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GM Grimmi.

Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?

I understand there is precedent for this process (see Cult of War) and would you agree with me that allowing Band of Brothers leadership their alliance identity back with zero sovereignty and the appropriate alliance formation payment would be the appropriate and fair resolution of this case?

I think you have correctly reached the conclusion that one part of this resolution (kenzoku into band of brothers reloaded) was incorrectly handled.

Will you now ensure that the other part of the resolution (failing to remove/rename the goonswarm identity blocking corp) will also now be rectified.

Thanks in advance.

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Originally by: Vladic Ka

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Originally by: Xaen

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Oh my god, you killed resurrected kenny!

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Thats my line.

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Originally by: Rick Thwaites

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Originally by: Xaen

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Oh my god, you killed resurrected kenny!

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<3.

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Originally by: Iva Soreass

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weÆd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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GM Grimmi.

Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?

I understand there is precedent for this process (see Cult of War) and would you agree with me that allowing Band of Brothers leadership their alliance identity back with zero sovereignty and the appropriate alliance formation payment would be the appropriate and fair resolution of this case?

I think you have correctly reached the conclusion that one part of this resolution (kenzoku into band of brothers reloaded) was incorrectly handled.

Will you now ensure that the other part of the resolution (failing to remove/rename the goonswarm identity blocking corp) will also now be rectified.

Thanks in advance.

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This.

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Originally by: Xianbei

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why ? it was done using normal in game mechanics. what rule was broken by goonies when they made that corp name ?


edit: fail at quoting

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weÆd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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GM Grimmi.

Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?

I understand there is precedent for this process (see Cult of War) and would you agree with me that allowing Band of Brothers leadership their alliance identity back with zero sovereignty and the appropriate alliance formation payment would be the appropriate and fair resolution of this case?

I think you have correctly reached the conclusion that one part of this resolution (kenzoku into band of brothers reloaded) was incorrectly handled.

Will you now ensure that the other part of the resolution (failing to remove/rename the goonswarm identity blocking corp) will also now be rectified.

Thanks in advance.

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Originally by: SFShootme

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/spine

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Originally by: Nick Curso

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Originally by: SFShootme

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weÆd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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Best post here in a loong time


GM Grimmi.

Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?

I understand there is precedent for this process (see Cult of War) and would you agree with me that allowing Band of Brothers leadership their alliance identity back with zero sovereignty and the appropriate alliance formation payment would be the appropriate and fair resolution of this case?

I think you have correctly reached the conclusion that one part of this resolution (kenzoku into band of brothers reloaded) was incorrectly handled.

Will you now ensure that the other part of the resolution (failing to remove/rename the goonswarm identity blocking corp) will also now be rectified.

Thanks in advance.

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Originally by: Bullitnutz

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?

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Well, that was fast.

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Originally by: Merita

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Thanks CCP.

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Originally by: Xianbei

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Originally by: Iva Soreass

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Originally by: Xianbei

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As demostrated by the CoW incedent, what goons are doing is griefing and preventing BoB from getting thier name back, just like teh corp who took CoW's name was.

So mr little pubbie you may go back under your rock now.

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Originally by: Iva Soreass

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Originally by: Xianbei

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As demostrated by the CoW incedent, what goons are doing is griefing and preventing BoB from getting thier name back, just like teh corp who took CoW's name was.

So mr little pubbie you may go back under your rock now.

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Originally by: Twobits PieCake

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After all the harsh words on this subject matter, and as a show of good faith from all parties, i think we can all agree a more suitable name would be [KenZoku Reloaded]
A good compromise and more fitting as it also reflects the recent swapping of names back and forth.

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Originally by: Cendaliaa

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Originally by: Iva Soreass

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Originally by: Xianbei

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As demostrated by the CoW incedent, what goons are doing is griefing and preventing BoB from getting thier name back, just like teh corp who took CoW's name was.

So mr little pubbie you may go back under your rock now.

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mm can just taste those sweet sweet tears. keep them coming

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Originally by: Cendaliaa

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Originally by: Iva Soreass

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Originally by: Xianbei

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As demostrated by the CoW incedent, what goons are doing is griefing and preventing BoB from getting thier name back, just like teh corp who took CoW's name was.

So mr little pubbie you may go back under your rock now.

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mm can just taste those sweet sweet tears. keep them coming

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Quote:

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We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action. .... While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that.

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we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner

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Originally by: Swamp Ziro

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Originally by: Cendaliaa

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Originally by: Iva Soreass

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Originally by: Xianbei

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As demostrated by the CoW incedent, what goons are doing is griefing and preventing BoB from getting thier name back, just like teh corp who took CoW's name was.

So mr little pubbie you may go back under your rock now.

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mm can just taste those sweet sweet tears. keep them coming

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hey get ****ed. If it is indeed the same thing, just let em have Band of Brothers, we give no ****s.

They'll just have to create it and pay 1 bil and drop sov claims like everybody else tho.

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Originally by: Je'Nann

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Quote:

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We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action. .... While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that.

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which names were previously changed while holding sov?
2 months ??? wtf

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we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner

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im sorry. but 2 months to consider and then reverse it is pathetic. and to use "the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner" as a reason is an insult. its also proof that you dont check your "logs" :)

if you think i buy this bull, ill also be interested in any bridges/skysc****rs/aliens your selling.

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Originally by: Nick Curso

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You guys brought this behaviour on yourselves

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Originally by: Je'Nann

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Quote:

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We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action. .... While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that.

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which names were previously changed while holding sov?
2 months ??? wtf

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we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner

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im sorry. but 2 months to consider and then reverse it is pathetic. and to use "the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner" as a reason is an insult. its also proof that you dont check your "logs" :)

if you think i buy this bull, ill also be interested in any bridges/skysc****rs/aliens your selling.

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Originally by: Swamp Ziro

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Originally by: Swamp Ziro

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at least we play by the rules

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TBH no large alliance plays by the rules. Not you, not Kenny, not RED or anyone.

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sure we do.

If we didn't, there would be a huge public outcry, a lot of threads, the CSM would intervene and we'd get .... do you see where I'm going with this yet?

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Originally by: Agent Known

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Ah, the appropriate time for this:

http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/whineenough.jpg

* Please refrain from posting images - Fallout

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Originally by: Iva Soreass

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As demostrated by the CoW incedent, what goons are doing is griefing and preventing BoB from getting thier name back, just like teh corp who took CoW's name was.

So mr little pubbie you may go back under your rock now.

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Originally by: Agent Known

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Ah, the appropriate time for this:

http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/whineenough.jpg

* Please refrain from posting images - Fallout

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Originally by: Swamp Ziro

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Originally by: Swamp Ziro

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at least we play by the rules

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TBH no large alliance plays by the rules. Not you, not Kenny, not RED or anyone.

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sure we do.

If we didn't, there would be a huge public outcry, a lot of threads, the CSM would intervene and we'd get .... do you see where I'm going with this yet?

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Two words: account sharing.

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Originally by: Nicholas Barker

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lol, threadnaughting is now a legitimate tactic.

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Originally by: Swamp Ziro

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Originally by: Swamp Ziro

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at least we play by the rules

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TBH no large alliance plays by the rules. Not you, not Kenny, not RED or anyone.

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sure we do.

If we didn't, there would be a huge public outcry, a lot of threads, the CSM would intervene and we'd get .... do you see where I'm going with this yet?

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Two words: account sharing.

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands.

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Originally by: Nicholas Barker

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lol, threadnaughting is now a legitimate tactic.

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Originally by: Swamp Ziro

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Originally by: Swamp Ziro

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at least we play by the rules

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TBH no large alliance plays by the rules. Not you, not Kenny, not RED or anyone.

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sure we do.

If we didn't, there would be a huge public outcry, a lot of threads, the CSM would intervene and we'd get .... do you see where I'm going with this yet?

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Two words: account sharing.

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Originally by: Vladic Ka

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Originally by: Xaen

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Oh my god, you killed resurrected kenny!

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Thats my line.

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Originally by: Nicholas Barker

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lol, threadnaughting is now a legitimate tactic.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weÆd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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GM Grimmi.

Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?

I understand there is precedent for this process (see Cult of War) and would you agree with me that allowing Band of Brothers leadership their alliance identity back with zero sovereignty and the appropriate alliance formation payment would be the appropriate and fair resolution of this case?

I think you have correctly reached the conclusion that one part of this resolution (kenzoku into band of brothers reloaded) was incorrectly handled.

Will you now ensure that the other part of the resolution (failing to remove/rename the goonswarm identity blocking corp) will also now be rectified.

Thanks in advance.

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Originally by: Nicholas Barker

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lol, threadnaughting is now a legitimate tactic.

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Originally by: Kuranta

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Edited by: Kuranta on 25/03/2009 19:37:40

Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weÆd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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GM Grimmi.

Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?

I understand there is precedent for this process (see Cult of War) and would you agree with me that allowing Band of Brothers leadership their alliance identity back with zero sovereignty and the appropriate alliance formation payment would be the appropriate and fair resolution of this case?

I think you have correctly reached the conclusion that one part of this resolution (kenzoku into band of brothers reloaded) was incorrectly handled.

Will you now ensure that the other part of the resolution (failing to remove/rename the goonswarm identity blocking corp) will also now be rectified.

Thanks in advance.

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Really liked your work as CSM, even voted for you. But if you still can't grasp the fact that BoB would have had to form a new alliance and then petition for a name change and not join an existing one. CoW did reform - BoB did not. Thats why no name change at all.

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Originally by: Tipsy

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This seems crazy. Why should changing the name of an alliance in circumstances like these require losing all sovereignty? Given the connection that KenZoku has to the old BoB name/new BoB Reloaded name I don't see that the usual "can't have name changes on a whim, they're an integral part..." argument has a great deal of weight either. I hope the CSM mandates easier name-changes in future.

Points to the Swarm for establishing Sov 4 on the forums.

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Originally by: CommmanderInChief

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When didnt Kenny just create another alliance (BOBR) legit and keep a holding corp in Kenny to keep hold of the sov they do have? or have i missed something?

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Originally by: CommmanderInChief

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When didnt Kenny just create another alliance (BOBR) legit and keep a holding corp in Kenny to keep hold of the sov they do have? or have i missed something?

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Originally by: Berious

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Wasn't there a whole devblog about account sharing? Boiled down to "Really we don't care, just don't come crying to us if you account share and your stuff gets stolen"

Seems pretty clear cut to me, though I might have just dreamt that.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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GM Grimmi.

Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?

I understand there is precedent for this process (see Cult of War) and would you agree with me that allowing Band of Brothers leadership their alliance identity back with zero sovereignty and the appropriate alliance formation payment would be the appropriate and fair resolution of this case?

I think you have correctly reached the conclusion that one part of this resolution (kenzoku into band of brothers reloaded) was incorrectly handled.

Will you now ensure that the other part of the resolution (failing to remove/rename the goonswarm identity blocking corp) will also now be rectified.

Thanks in advance.

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Originally by: Akelorian

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Late posting in a, BoB is favoured by GM's, whine responce thread to goons complaints.

Well,

This is a game, an Alliance name was changed, it had no effect on anything in the game, other than causing an uproar, for what? A few letters being changed? Are you really that upset that you can't refer to us as Asscakes anymore? You are making the maturity level of the eve online community look more like that of the WoW Community. We play to fight, have fun, and die. This is only a game, Remember that.

P.S - If you are offended by anything that I have stated, I apologize. I don't want to make anyone cry.

- Akelorian

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Originally by: Talzaris

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Originally by: CommmanderInChief

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When didnt Kenny just create another alliance (BOBR) legit and keep a holding corp in Kenny to keep hold of the sov they do have? or have i missed something?

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Towers are anchored by corps but sovereignty is claimed by your alliance.

So since all the towers anchored by Kenny are done by the individual member corps, as soon as those corps transferred over to the new alliance sov would drop from Sov 3 (KenZoku) to Sov 1 (Whatever their new alliance name is)

Unless all the towers anchored for Kenny were done by the holding corp, which they are not.

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weÆd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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Originally by: Akelorian

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Late posting in a, BoB is favoured by GM's, whine responce thread to goons complaints.

Well,

This is a game, an Alliance name was changed, it had no effect on anything in the game, other than causing an uproar, for what? A few letters being changed? Are you really that upset that you can't refer to us as Asscakes anymore? You are making the maturity level of the eve online community look more like that of the WoW Community. We play to fight, have fun, and die. This is only a game, Remember that.

P.S - If you are offended by anything that I have stated, I apologize. I don't want to make anyone cry.

- Akelorian

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Originally by: Akelorian

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Late posting in a, BoB is favoured by GM's, whine responce thread to goons complaints.

Well,

This is a game, an Alliance name was changed, it had no effect on anything in the game, other than causing an uproar, for what? A few letters being changed? Are you really that upset that you can't refer to us as Asscakes anymore? You are making the maturity level of the eve online community look more like that of the WoW Community. We play to fight, have fun, and die. This is only a game, Remember that.

P.S - If you are offended by anything that I have stated, I apologize. I don't want to make anyone cry.

- Akelorian

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Originally by: Akelorian

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Late posting in a thread about preferential treatment.

Well,

This is a game, the rules should apply to everyone, well done CCP.

P.S - If you are offended by anything that I have stated, I apologize. I don't want to cry.

- Akelorian

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Originally by: Vladic Ka

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Do you even understand sov mechanics?

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Originally by: Akelorian

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Originally by: Vladic Ka

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Do you even understand sov mechanics?

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Why yes I do, your crying about what two whole systems in delve that are sov 3? about a name change that doesn't really affect anything? Are you guys that immature that the only thing you can complain about is, OMFG CCP so Favours BoB?

*shrug* if its that difficult for you to take two sov 3 systems, its no surprise that the only way delve was taken was by fully removing the sov that BoB had by dissolving the alliance.

So do you know anything about sov mechanics?

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Originally by: Akelorian

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Originally by: Vladic Ka

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Do you even understand sov mechanics?

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Why yes I do, your crying about what two whole systems in delve that are sov 3? about a name change that doesn't really affect anything? Are you guys that immature that the only thing you can complain about is, OMFG CCP so Favours BoB?

*shrug* if its that difficult for you to take two sov 3 systems, its no surprise that the only way delve was taken was by fully removing the sov that BoB had by dissolving the alliance.

So do you know anything about sov mechanics?

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Originally by: Vladic Ka

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Originally by: Akelorian

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Late posting in a, BoB is favoured by GM's, whine responce thread to goons complaints.

Well,

This is a game, an Alliance name was changed, it had no effect on anything in the game, other than causing an uproar, for what? A few letters being changed? Are you really that upset that you can't refer to us as [redacted - Fallout] anymore? You are making the maturity level of the eve online community look more like that of the WoW Community. We play to fight, have fun, and die. This is only a game, Remember that.

P.S - If you are offended by anything that I have stated, I apologize. I don't want to make anyone cry.

- Akelorian

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Do you even understand sov mechanics?

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Originally by: Twobits PieCake

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After all the harsh words on this subject matter, and as a show of good faith from all parties, i think we can all agree a more suitable name would be [KenZoku Reloaded]
A good compromise and more fitting as it also reflects the recent swapping of names back and forth.

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Originally by: Nick Curso

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Edited by: Nick Curso on 25/03/2009 18:51:20
lol Seriously I wanna titan everyone cry enough to get me one please :)

You guys brought this behaviour on yourselves CCP caving time and again to spamming enjoy.

GL next time there's something ppl don't like.

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Originally by: Anne M. Lindbergh

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There is no sin punished more implacably by nature than the sin of resistance to change

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

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