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Vasili Z
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:36:00 -
[181]
I should obviously practice crying like a little ***** whenever I don't get my way. -------
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:36:00 -
[182]
Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 25/03/2009 19:36:37
Originally by: GM Grimmi during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands.
How out of touch with the happenings within your own game can you really get?
At least they fixed it. Ty.
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Illiya
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:36:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Nicholas Barker lol, threadnaughting is now a legitimate tactic.
heh, if there was a threadnaught you wouldn't be able to post in the forums period, much less have your post noticed Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
Swamp Ziro
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:36:00 -
[184]
well he's right but since almost everyone's doing it noone wants to set the precedent Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
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Berious
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:36:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Swamp Ziro
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Swamp Ziro at least we play by the rules
TBH no large alliance plays by the rules. Not you, not Kenny, not RED or anyone.
sure we do.
If we didn't, there would be a huge public outcry, a lot of threads, the CSM would intervene and we'd get .... do you see where I'm going with this yet?
Two words: account sharing.
Wasn't there a whole devblog about account sharing? Boiled down to "Really we don't care, just don't come crying to us if you account share and your stuff gets stolen"
Seems pretty clear cut to me, though I might have just dreamt that.
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Euriti
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:37:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Vladic Ka
Originally by: Xaen Oh my god, you killed resurrected kenny!
Thats my line.
Yeah but can you do it in big colorful letters? :colbert:
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The Qat
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:37:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Nicholas Barker lol, threadnaughting is now a legitimate tactic.
did you know that companies generally respond to legitimate complaints from their customers lest they lose those customers
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Kuranta
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Kuranta on 25/03/2009 19:37:40
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: GM Grimmi We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weĈd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.
We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.
GM Grimmi.
Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?
I understand there is precedent for this process (see Cult of War) and would you agree with me that allowing Band of Brothers leadership their alliance identity back with zero sovereignty and the appropriate alliance formation payment would be the appropriate and fair resolution of this case?
I think you have correctly reached the conclusion that one part of this resolution (kenzoku into band of brothers reloaded) was incorrectly handled.
Will you now ensure that the other part of the resolution (failing to remove/rename the goonswarm identity blocking corp) will also now be rectified.
Thanks in advance.
Really liked your work as CSM, even voted for you. But if you still can't grasp the fact that BoB would have had to form a new alliance and then petition for a name change and not join an existing one. CoW did reform - BoB did not. Thats why no name change at all.
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Swamp Ziro
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:37:00 -
[189]
it'd cut down on the "GUYS my account was hacked" posts tho so I dunno i might actually like it :) Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
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Zeph1rus
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:37:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Nicholas Barker lol, threadnaughting is now a legitimate tactic.
If you had come upon the assumption this was a threadnought sir, I am glad to be able to inform you of your mistake! Surely such a tower of majesty as a threadnought in full prime could not be mistaken for this pitiful collection of posts; why, there are only find 6 pages! Verily no tables have been broken. If this is a threadnought sir, I say to you it is a poor one, for shame.
* Poking my head in here to remind you that this is off-topic and any further discussion about whether or not this is a threadnought will be deleted - Fallout
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Swamp Ziro
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:39:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Kuranta Edited by: Kuranta on 25/03/2009 19:37:40
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: GM Grimmi We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weĈd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.
We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.
GM Grimmi.
Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?
I understand there is precedent for this process (see Cult of War) and would you agree with me that allowing Band of Brothers leadership their alliance identity back with zero sovereignty and the appropriate alliance formation payment would be the appropriate and fair resolution of this case?
I think you have correctly reached the conclusion that one part of this resolution (kenzoku into band of brothers reloaded) was incorrectly handled.
Will you now ensure that the other part of the resolution (failing to remove/rename the goonswarm identity blocking corp) will also now be rectified.
Thanks in advance.
Really liked your work as CSM, even voted for you. But if you still can't grasp the fact that BoB would have had to form a new alliance and then petition for a name change and not join an existing one. CoW did reform - BoB did not. Thats why no name change at all.
dude you're agreeing with him. Read his post, he stipulated getting back the name after losing sov and 1 bil only. Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
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CommmanderInChief
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:39:00 -
[192]
When didnt Kenny just create another alliance (BOBR) legit and keep a holding corp in Kenny to keep hold of the sov they do have? or have i missed something?
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tipsy This seems crazy. Why should changing the name of an alliance in circumstances like these require losing all sovereignty? Given the connection that KenZoku has to the old BoB name/new BoB Reloaded name I don't see that the usual "can't have name changes on a whim, they're an integral part..." argument has a great deal of weight either. I hope the CSM mandates easier name-changes in future.
Points to the Swarm for establishing Sov 4 on the forums.
That may be a valid issue.
CCP could address it by publically announcing that they are setting new rules for alliance name changes. Then everyone can apply at same time, bobs and other silly name alliances.
Honestly I don't think it's wrong to have some kind of mechanism for name changes - if it can't be done too often, if there's cost involved, and if old name is kept visible somewhere in Show Info
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:41:00 -
[194]
Originally by: CommmanderInChief When didnt Kenny just create another alliance (BOBR) legit and keep a holding corp in Kenny to keep hold of the sov they do have? or have i missed something?
gets reset to 1 I believe
the difference between sov 1 and 3 is huge
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Talzaris
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:43:00 -
[195]
Originally by: CommmanderInChief When didnt Kenny just create another alliance (BOBR) legit and keep a holding corp in Kenny to keep hold of the sov they do have? or have i missed something?
Towers are anchored by corps but sovereignty is claimed by your alliance.
So since all the towers anchored by Kenny are done by the individual member corps, as soon as those corps transferred over to the new alliance sov would drop from Sov 3 (KenZoku) to Sov 1 (Whatever their new alliance name is)
Unless all the towers anchored for Kenny were done by the holding corp, which they are not.
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CommmanderInChief
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:43:00 -
[196]
reset why? the alliance hasnt changed they would just have one corp and holding one..you wouldnt lose sov level cos of that..then all real corps move to band of brothers reloaded?
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Akelorian
Caldari The first genesis INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:43:00 -
[197]
Late posting in a, BoB is favoured by GM's, whine responce thread to goons complaints.
Well,
This is a game, an Alliance name was changed, it had no effect on anything in the game, other than causing an uproar, for what? A few letters being changed? Are you really that upset that you can't refer to us as Asscakes anymore? You are making the maturity level of the eve online community look more like that of the WoW Community. We play to fight, have fun, and die. This is only a game, Remember that.
P.S - If you are offended by anything that I have stated, I apologize. I don't want to make anyone cry.
- Akelorian
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:43:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Berious Wasn't there a whole devblog about account sharing? Boiled down to "Really we don't care, just don't come crying to us if you account share and your stuff gets stolen"
Seems pretty clear cut to me, though I might have just dreamt that.
If you can find it link me to it because if that's true then I'll shut up about it.
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Gorfob
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:43:00 -
[199]
Edited by: Gorfob on 25/03/2009 19:44:07
Originally by: Jade Constantine
GM Grimmi.
Will you be renaming the Band of Brothers alt-corp currently controlled by the Goonswarm alliance and allowing the original Band of Brothers leadership to re-establish their alliance name by paying 1billion isk?
I understand there is precedent for this process (see Cult of War) and would you agree with me that allowing Band of Brothers leadership their alliance identity back with zero sovereignty and the appropriate alliance formation payment would be the appropriate and fair resolution of this case?
I think you have correctly reached the conclusion that one part of this resolution (kenzoku into band of brothers reloaded) was incorrectly handled.
Will you now ensure that the other part of the resolution (failing to remove/rename the goonswarm identity blocking corp) will also now be rectified.
Thanks in advance.
Assuming they lose sov 3 in the last 9 systems they own. I could live with this. It's not like when they disband the alliance after losing everything we won't retake the name.
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Vladic Ka
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:43:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Akelorian Late posting in a, BoB is favoured by GM's, whine responce thread to goons complaints.
Well,
This is a game, an Alliance name was changed, it had no effect on anything in the game, other than causing an uproar, for what? A few letters being changed? Are you really that upset that you can't refer to us as Asscakes anymore? You are making the maturity level of the eve online community look more like that of the WoW Community. We play to fight, have fun, and die. This is only a game, Remember that.
P.S - If you are offended by anything that I have stated, I apologize. I don't want to make anyone cry.
- Akelorian
Do you even understand sov mechanics?
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CommmanderInChief
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:44:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Talzaris
Originally by: CommmanderInChief When didnt Kenny just create another alliance (BOBR) legit and keep a holding corp in Kenny to keep hold of the sov they do have? or have i missed something?
Towers are anchored by corps but sovereignty is claimed by your alliance.
So since all the towers anchored by Kenny are done by the individual member corps, as soon as those corps transferred over to the new alliance sov would drop from Sov 3 (KenZoku) to Sov 1 (Whatever their new alliance name is)
Unless all the towers anchored for Kenny were done by the holding corp, which they are not.
Ah i see..I assumed it was under the alliance . thx for clearing that
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Seth Rock
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:44:00 -
[202]
good job CCP _________________________________________
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VENOM2k99
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:45:00 -
[203]
Originally by: GM Grimmi We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weĈd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.
We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.
Thanks, that was the only right choice to make.
We'll keep watching you
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Mr M
Legion of Illuminated Social Rejects
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:45:00 -
[204]
So here we yet again have the proof that the devs are in GoonSwarm
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Zeph1rus
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:46:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Akelorian Late posting in a, BoB is favoured by GM's, whine responce thread to goons complaints.
Well,
This is a game, an Alliance name was changed, it had no effect on anything in the game, other than causing an uproar, for what? A few letters being changed? Are you really that upset that you can't refer to us as Asscakes anymore? You are making the maturity level of the eve online community look more like that of the WoW Community. We play to fight, have fun, and die. This is only a game, Remember that.
P.S - If you are offended by anything that I have stated, I apologize. I don't want to make anyone cry.
- Akelorian
I'm going to be nice because it's understandable that you don't know what you're talking about since you're in the mighty INTERDICTION, and the only time you took a station it was by accident, but if they'd done this properly all their Sov claims drop. Which is why there is an outcry.
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The Qat
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:46:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Akelorian Late posting in a, BoB is favoured by GM's, whine responce thread to goons complaints.
Well,
This is a game, an Alliance name was changed, it had no effect on anything in the game, other than causing an uproar, for what? A few letters being changed? Are you really that upset that you can't refer to us as Asscakes anymore? You are making the maturity level of the eve online community look more like that of the WoW Community. We play to fight, have fun, and die. This is only a game, Remember that.
P.S - If you are offended by anything that I have stated, I apologize. I don't want to make anyone cry.
- Akelorian
you're under the mistaken assumption that it's possible to offend goons
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Serj Darek
Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:48:00 -
[207]
Yay, another name!
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KeratinBoy
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:48:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Akelorian Late posting in a thread about preferential treatment.
Well,
This is a game, the rules should apply to everyone, well done CCP.
P.S - If you are offended by anything that I have stated, I apologize. I don't want to cry.
- Akelorian
Fixed that for you chief. On topic, plz.
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Akelorian
Caldari The first genesis INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:48:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Vladic Ka
Do you even understand sov mechanics?
Why yes I do, your crying about what two whole systems in delve that are sov 3? about a name change that doesn't really affect anything? Are you guys that immature that the only thing you can complain about is, OMFG CCP so Favours BoB?
*shrug* if its that difficult for you to take two sov 3 systems, its no surprise that the only way delve was taken was by fully removing the sov that BoB had by dissolving the alliance.
So do you know anything about sov mechanics?
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Ignoramus Dingle
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:50:00 -
[210]
nice to see CCP redeemed themselves. KenZoku, you need to get over your internet egos and realize you're not above the rules. if you want a name change, create a new alliance and drop sov claims just like everyone else. |
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