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ThorTheGreat Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:33:00 - [421] Edited by: ThorTheGreat on 25/03/2009 22:35:01 Originally by: XoPhyte I also keep looking for the unbug capital ship arrays, or the reimburse dreadnaught button. But darn it to all I just cannot locate them. Perhaps CCP should just remove the "petition" button instead? Look over next to the "Only reimbursed titan ever" button. I don't have one of those, but you seem to. :edit: I'm unfamilliar with the capship array story and I don't recall us ever getting any dreads back. Sorry to burst your bubble. To be frank, I can't recall a single petition we've filed being responded to in an acceptable fashion.
XoPhyte Black Nova Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:34:00 - [422] Originally by: ThorTheGreat Originally by: XoPhyte I also keep looking for the unbug capital ship arrays, or the reimburse dreadnaught button. But darn it to all I just cannot locate them. Perhaps CCP should just remove the "petition" button instead? Look over next to the "Only reimbursed titan ever" button. I don't have one of those, but you seem to. Perhaps you are new to this game... We cheat.. only explanation tbh
Eva Sankarihauta	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:35:00 - [423] Remember the day they were disbanded? I was so happy in that day, our moral was very high, their moral was so at the bottom. Today is grate day as well, they got nailed again back to the name they hate so much looool KenZoku, no leadership, no space, no friends, no name, no hope. (and no devs) CCP: me like all the decent players of the internet spaceship community, appreciate the fact that you stand by your rules. i will delete my petition. tia.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:35:00 - [424] Eve has now also experienced the only thing worse than corruption ... mob-rule. Mankind is just not worth it sometimes sigh
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:35:00 - [425] Originally by: ThorTheGreat Look over next to the "Only reimbursed titan ever" button. I don't have one of those, but you seem to. I thought you guys came here to slurp our tears? This is all too easy. アニメ漫画です
Momoha GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:35:00 - [426] Originally by: XoPhyte Originally by: ThorTheGreat Originally by: XoPhyte I also keep looking for the unbug capital ship arrays, or the reimburse dreadnaught button. But darn it to all I just cannot locate them. Perhaps CCP should just remove the "petition" button instead? Look over next to the "Only reimbursed titan ever" button. I don't have one of those, but you seem to. Perhaps you are new to this game... We cheat.. only explanation tbh Thanks for admitting it once again!
Lizhia Birath Minmatar Rogue Industrial Group The Fifth Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:35:00 - [427] Originally by: Vincent Gaines Originally by: Lizhia Birath but BoBR was free for them to take at that time so there was no need to petition for the change. They claim they would have disbanded again on the spot and created a new alliance called BoB had they been given the chance, so if BoBR was the name they wanted and it was free they should have created the allaince just as easily. they didn't want BoBr, they wanted BoB back. By what I've read, they had a choice- petition it and create a new alliance, starting at sov 0, or petition it, join an alt-alliance, and start at sov 1 tactically they made the right decision, and anyone else in the same situation would have done just that. for some reason, they didn't get BoB, they got perhaps a #2 choice? I don't know as I'm not in BoB If they joined the alt alliance trying to score any kind of advantage over creating a new alliance they kinda forfeit the right to have their old name back since it would been a "hand of god" act by ccp to lessen the damage of a well executed plan that stuck entirely to the current in game mechanics and was not regarded as a 'sploit. Had they created a new alliance and then gotten the name back nothing would have changed but the name, getting a advantage and getting their name back wouldve been wrong. If ccp would have had clear policies about these things that stated that goon bob-corp was indeed wrong bob would have been able to have had their new allaince and old name back at once, had they created a new alliance and the policies being fuzzy as they are bob would have had their new alliance and perhaps their old name back(Wouldve taken longer but the endresult would have been the same and fair) In my opinion thou
Vincent Gaines Avis de Captura	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:35:00 - [428] Originally by: ThorTheGreat Originally by: XoPhyte I also keep looking for the unbug capital ship arrays, or the reimburse dreadnaught button. But darn it to all I just cannot locate them. Perhaps CCP should just remove the "petition" button instead? Look over next to the "Only reimbursed titan ever" button. I don't have one of those, but you seem to. how many reimbursed MSs? carriers? dreads? how many capships total do you think have been returned? i'd wager somewhere in the hundreds at least. and do you know the specifics as to why it was reimbursed, or are you going by what others have said? Apparently if it's on the net, it's true.
elohllird Destructive Influence KenZoku	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:36:00 - [429] Cant we all just go down the pub and have a drink, we might find some ladies... just sayin
XoPhyte Black Nova Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:36:00 - [430] Originally by: Caius Proximus Originally by: XoPhyte Originally by: Caius Proximus Uh, no, the "moral outrage" was over CCP stepping in to alter things that were in contradiction to game mechanics. You wanted that to be the customer policy, but I guess it wasn't since lmao back to anime alliance I've been looking for that "change alliance name" button that you are refering to, since we are talking about "game mechanics". Sadly I cannot find it, could you kindly point me in the right direction? Thx in advance! You can disband your alliance and make a new one and if you've been wardecced then make a holding corp and create a new one using that. Yes it will cost you something unlike petitioning for a change but that is the entire point. Or we can follow previous similar precedent and request the name to be changed, but we didn't account for the "change policy whenever they want to" deal that goons want to push but "only when it works in goons favor". I can't find that in the players guide anywhere either... I must be really bad at finding this stuff.
ThorTheGreat Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:38:00 - [431] Originally by: Avon Originally by: ThorTheGreat Look over next to the "Only reimbursed titan ever" button. I don't have one of those, but you seem to. I thought you guys came here to slurp our tears? This is all too easy. We already have them. We also have your name and your space. Now I'm watching you place hash marks on your self-conceived "Forum Victory" scoreboard as it's pretty much the only thing you can pretend to have going for you.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:38:00 - [432] Originally by: elohllird Cant we all just go down the pub and have a drink, we might find some ladies... just sayin I'm up for it, but I'm not sure my wife will approve. And we both know she'll kick my arse for doing it, and your arse for suggesting it. Haaaaannng on ... that might be worth staying in for.... アニメ漫画です
Caius Proximus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:38:00 - [433] Originally by: Vincent Gaines Originally by: Caius Proximus I don't think "anyone in the same position" would have petitioned to get their name back like a bunch of *****es when they knew they lost it legit (and if you want to trump out precedent then the current precedent is Lotka Volterra and not Cult of War). For example when we were getting remote doomsdayed left and right, we didn't petition to get the titans banned in case the remote doomsdays happened to be a bug in the game mechanics. We took it and in the meantime campaigned to get the mechanic changed by pointing out how ridiculous it was, and eventually it was fixed. Nothing from that was retro-actively replaced by CCP. LV dissolved, it was not done by the actions of a largely-inactive director who did it on a whim. and your example of not petitioning a remote DD- which was an intentional feature, i.e. placed in the game to do that... don't compare it to what boils down to an overlooked loophole in alliance security. I used it as an example of how you should have handled this situation. Also I'm pretty sure CCP has gone on record for saying that the extent to which remote doomsdays were abused was something that they had not foreseen. Whereas your assumption that what happened here was some "overlooked loophole" is still completely baseless. Even if it had been though, the way to go about it would be to man up and try to get it changed instead of crying to CCP to get its effects changed retro-actively.
elohllird Destructive Influence KenZoku	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:38:00 - [434] Originally by: ThorTheGreat Originally by: Avon Originally by: ThorTheGreat Look over next to the "Only reimbursed titan ever" button. I don't have one of those, but you seem to. I thought you guys came here to slurp our tears? This is all too easy. We already have them. We also have your name and your space. Now I'm watching you place hash marks on your self-conceived "Forum Victory" scoreboard as it's pretty much the only thing you can pretend to have going for you. Mate to the pub now..... come on
Vincent Gaines Avis de Captura	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:39:00 - [435] Originally by: Lizhia Birath If they joined the alt alliance trying to score any kind of advantage over creating a new alliance they kinda forfeit the right to have their old name back since it would been a "hand of god" act by ccp to lessen the damage of a well executed plan that stuck entirely to the current in game mechanics and was not regarded as a 'sploit. You say this first as someone looking in hindsight, second as someone never in that situation. Quote: Had they created a new alliance and then gotten the name back nothing would have changed but the name, getting a advantage and getting their name back wouldve been wrong. If ccp would have had clear policies about these things that stated that goon bob-corp was indeed wrong bob would have been able to have had their new allaince and old name back at once, had they created a new alliance and the policies being fuzzy as they are bob would have had their new alliance and perhaps their old name back(Wouldve taken longer but the endresult would have been the same and fair) In my opinion thou however, changing from Kenzuko to BoBr was only a name, and a dumber one at that. This whole dramafest was completely unnecessary, when you look at it. Nothing has changed at all but a name, ken still has sov 3. so all this whining was for absolutely nothing except that ex-bob has a less idiotic name now. And, had they lost all sov and had CCP give them BoB back, I can ASSURE you that the threadnaughts would have been going strong.
Momoha GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:39:00 - [436] Edited by: Momoha on 25/03/2009 22:39:16 Originally by: Avon I'm up for it, but I'm not sure my wife will approve. And we both know she'll kick my arse for doing it, and your arse for suggesting it. Haaaaannng on ... that might be worth staying in for.... Hey guys MY WIFE
ThorTheGreat Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:39:00 - [437] Originally by: Vincent Gaines Originally by: ThorTheGreat Originally by: XoPhyte I also keep looking for the unbug capital ship arrays, or the reimburse dreadnaught button. But darn it to all I just cannot locate them. Perhaps CCP should just remove the "petition" button instead? Look over next to the "Only reimbursed titan ever" button. I don't have one of those, but you seem to. how many reimbursed MSs? carriers? dreads? how many capships total do you think have been returned? i'd wager somewhere in the hundreds at least. and do you know the specifics as to why it was reimbursed, or are you going by what others have said? Apparently if it's on the net, it's true. Zero to my knowledge. I don't really care why it was reimbursed. I didn't say a thing about the cause. Nor did the person I was responding to. I'll give you a hint, it wasn't you.
XoPhyte Black Nova Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:39:00 - [438] Originally by: ThorTheGreat We already have them. We also have your name and your space. Now I'm watching you place hash marks on your self-conceived "Forum Victory" scoreboard as it's pretty much the only thing you can pretend to have going for you. Haha, you must be new to goons. Yes, it is us, Bob, who threadnaught the forums in an obvious "forum wars" attempt.
Caius Proximus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:40:00 - [439] Edited by: Caius Proximus on 25/03/2009 22:41:37 ^^^ If you think that was a threadnaught I guess you didn't see the real one that happened the last time BOB got caught currying favors from CCP. Originally by: XoPhyte Originally by: Caius Proximus Originally by: XoPhyte Originally by: Caius Proximus Uh, no, the "moral outrage" was over CCP stepping in to alter things that were in contradiction to game mechanics. You wanted that to be the customer policy, but I guess it wasn't since lmao back to anime alliance I've been looking for that "change alliance name" button that you are refering to, since we are talking about "game mechanics". Sadly I cannot find it, could you kindly point me in the right direction? Thx in advance! You can disband your alliance and make a new one and if you've been wardecced then make a holding corp and create a new one using that. Yes it will cost you something unlike petitioning for a change but that is the entire point. Or we can follow previous similar precedent and request the name to be changed, but we didn't account for the "change policy whenever they want to" deal that goons want to push but "only when it works in goons favor". I can't find that in the players guide anywhere either... I must be really bad at finding this stuff. This is a sandbox. There's some weird ** you can pull in this game or have been able to in the past and BOB is no stranger to this. Don't be a *** about it though when it happens to you.
ThorTheGreat Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:41:00 - [440] Originally by: XoPhyte Or we can follow previous similar precedent and request the name to be changed, but we didn't account for the "change policy whenever they want to" deal that goons want to push but "only when it works in goons favor". I can't find that in the players guide anywhere either... I must be really bad at finding this stuff. There was no similar precedent. You can repeat it all day long, but that will not make it true. No alliance has ever before been disbanded in this fashion. CoW is the only other one I am aware of to have had their name changed and they had to reform to do so. I also believe THAT was the wrong thing to do. This "precedent" you are referring to is actually the long history of CCP refusal to change alliance names. Deal with it.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:41:00 - [441] Beaver rolled off the tongue much smoother than Kenny. Oh well, Eggs and Omelettes. What say you Kenzoku? What, the Goons are big meanies!?! Please resize image to a file size no greater than 24000 bytes - Mitnal I have yet to see a sig that meets that specification, you kitten hating tyrant.
elohllird Destructive Influence KenZoku	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:41:00 - [442] /me goes off to pub by himself bastards
Vincent Gaines Avis de Captura	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:42:00 - [443] Originally by: Caius Proximus Originally by: Vincent Gaines Originally by: Caius Proximus I don't think "anyone in the same position" would have petitioned to get their name back like a bunch of *****es when they knew they lost it legit (and if you want to trump out precedent then the current precedent is Lotka Volterra and not Cult of War). For example when we were getting remote doomsdayed left and right, we didn't petition to get the titans banned in case the remote doomsdays happened to be a bug in the game mechanics. We took it and in the meantime campaigned to get the mechanic changed by pointing out how ridiculous it was, and eventually it was fixed. Nothing from that was retro-actively replaced by CCP. LV dissolved, it was not done by the actions of a largely-inactive director who did it on a whim. and your example of not petitioning a remote DD- which was an intentional feature, i.e. placed in the game to do that... don't compare it to what boils down to an overlooked loophole in alliance security. I used it as an example of how you should have handled this situation. Also I'm pretty sure CCP has gone on record for saying that the extent to which remote doomsdays were abused was something that they had not foreseen. Whereas your assumption that what happened here was some "overlooked loophole" is still completely baseless. Even if it had been though, the way to go about it would be to man up and try to get it changed instead of crying to CCP to get its effects changed retro-actively. wait, are you saying these past few days was not a bunch of crying? I can go back to the old thread and see countless accusations of devhax, cheating (c'mon, yelling "you're a cheater!" is something I did in elementary school), and just whining... even with the thread in the Assembly Hall, goons couldn't resist posting more crap in CAOD, sarcastically crying about it in horrible parody threads. by the way, parody threads started on OT. OT > SA
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:43:00 - [444] Edited by: Avon on 25/03/2009 22:43:45 Edited by: Avon on 25/03/2009 22:43:09 Originally by: Momoha Edited by: Momoha on 25/03/2009 22:39:16 Originally by: Avon I'm up for it, but I'm not sure my wife will approve. And we both know she'll kick my arse for doing it, and your arse for suggesting it. Haaaaannng on ... that might be worth staying in for.... Hey guys MY WIFE Surprising as it may seem, sometimes adults use the interweb, and sometimes when a boy adult and a girl adult like each other very much they get married. Although, to be fair, mostly I did it for tax reasons. Unfortunately only a month later the married couple's tax allowance was scrapped. Pfft. アニメ漫画です
ThorTheGreat Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:43:00 - [445] Originally by: XoPhyte Originally by: ThorTheGreat We already have them. We also have your name and your space. Now I'm watching you place hash marks on your self-conceived "Forum Victory" scoreboard as it's pretty much the only thing you can pretend to have going for you. Haha, you must be new to goons. Yes, it is us, Bob, who threadnaught the forums in an obvious "forum wars" attempt. Read the post I was responding to. The context is there. I know it's hard, but forethought doesn't seem to be your guy's forte so I'll be unsubtle.
Pesadel0 Minmatar Black Nova Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:43:00 - [446] Originally by: ThorTheGreat Originally by: XoPhyte Or we can follow previous similar precedent and request the name to be changed, but we didn't account for the "change policy whenever they want to" deal that goons want to push but "only when it works in goons favor". I can't find that in the players guide anywhere either... I must be really bad at finding this stuff. There was no similar precedent. You can repeat it all day long, but that will not make it true. No alliance has ever before been disbanded in this fashion. CoW is the only other one I am aware of to have had their name changed and they had to reform to do so. I also believe THAT was the wrong thing to do. This "precedent" you are referring to is actually the long history of CCP refusal to change alliance names. Deal with it. Shut up you goonie CCP did change our alliance name in the beginning .So yes they did this before.
Vincent Gaines Avis de Captura	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:43:00 - [447] Originally by: ThorTheGreat Originally by: XoPhyte Or we can follow previous similar precedent and request the name to be changed, but we didn't account for the "change policy whenever they want to" deal that goons want to push but "only when it works in goons favor". I can't find that in the players guide anywhere either... I must be really bad at finding this stuff. There was no similar precedent. You can repeat it all day long, but that will not make it true. No alliance has ever before been disbanded in this fashion. CoW is the only other one I am aware of to have had their name changed and they had to reform to do so. I also believe THAT was the wrong thing to do. This "precedent" you are referring to is actually the long history of CCP refusal to change alliance names. Deal with it. so it's only ok if YOU agree with it. gotcha.
Momoha GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:43:00 - [448] Originally by: Vincent Gaines wait, are you saying these past few days was not a bunch of crying? I can go back to the old thread and see countless accusations of devhax, cheating (c'mon, yelling "you're a cheater!" is something I did in elementary school), and just whining... even with the thread in the Assembly Hall, goons couldn't resist posting more crap in CAOD, sarcastically crying about it in horrible parody threads. by the way, parody threads started on OT. OT > SA I like how you snuck in that witty snipe at SA. Clever.
Vincent Gaines Avis de Captura	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:44:00 - [449] Originally by: Momoha I like how you snuck in that witty snipe at SA. Clever. I couldn't resist, even though I haven't been to OT in a long time.
Momoha GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:45:00 - [450] Originally by: Vincent Gaines I couldn't resist, even though I haven't been to OT in a long time. I used to frequent OT back in 1998. I'm naturally that much more hardcore than you are.

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