Not that I don't agree with you on this point, but there are ways of dealing with it. You could put up a staging pos in the system you're attacking with a ship maintenance array - each corp or alliance just needs a small to get it done. I think it brings some much needed logistical considerations to a fairly easy place to live, and I like that about the system.

..Anyway I think it's irrelevant as I see no proof of any sort of sliding LP scale on SISI for the Stores. as Gal MIlitia stores have same costs as Caldari.

Let's be crystal clear about what we're talking about here and cut through some of the hysteria. "Sov reset" is actually a misleading and inaccurate term for what is being discussed.

There are many systems that have been held for a very long time and have had nothing to do with a last minute rush to secure systems. LOL at CCP if they decide to kick players out of systems they clearly and control - whether it's called Occupancy or Sovereignty. We'll adjust. Please give us some notice first so we can move massive amounts of ships out of our home systems due to no fault of our own.

Let's be crystal clear about what we're talking about here and cut through some of the hysteria. "Sov reset" is actually a misleading and inaccurate term for what is being discussed.

Huola has always been the sovereign space of the Amarr Empire. Auga has always been the sovereign space of the Minmatar Republic. That has never once been adjusted, modified, or changed, and continuity of this fact into the May 22 expansion would not truly be a "Sov reset". The argument that CCP should reset 0.0 sovereignty is a straw-man, because we're not actually talking about CCP moving sovereignty lines, though that is how everyone is interpreting this.

What CCP proposed at Fan Fest was removing the meaningless occupancy mechanic, and giving capsuleers the ability to fight over actual Sovereignty. Many pilots made an assumption at this point, and planned efforts to reinforce their occupation in enemy sovereign space, despite the fact that CCP was saying they would be removing occupancy entirely. These pilots assumed that CCP would just arbitrarily change occupancy into Sovereignty, which would indeed be a shuffling of who has sovereignty, a forced adjustment akin to fiddling with null sec Sov as you pointed out. Saying that current Sovereignty designations will remain the same following the May 22 is not truly a "Sov reset" and therefore not some radical action akin to what you are suggesting.

The bottom line is that neither CCP nor the CSM can advocate rules or changes that are based upon the actions capsuleers take in anticipation of a package of changes that was never set in stone, and still isn't set in stone. It's a tough pill to swallow for some, but every single patch there is a similar flurry of economic activity, and plenty of pilots have lost billions before speculating on future changes that may or may not come to pass. CCP cannot change that policy now and make Sovereignty adjustments simply because pilots moved into enemy sov space under the assumption it would magically become their own.

We could debate this all day, or we can simply and see what the final package and procedure is going to be when the dev blog comes out this week. Either way, players will have almost two weeks to gird themselves for the coming war and prepare their battle plans.

There are many systems that have been held for a very long time and have had nothing to do with a last minute rush to secure systems. LOL at CCP if they decide to kick players out of systems they clearly and control - whether it's called Occupancy or Sovereignty. We'll adjust. Please give us some notice first so we can move massive amounts of ships out of our home systems due to no fault of our own.

Siggy is absolutely right. Regardless of what everyone likes or doesn't like about the changes on the table, as long as there are capsuleers proposing creative solutions to the challenges presented before the Faction Warfare community, CCP has little incentive to change their course and cater to those that feel that one change or another makes things "impossible" or "hopeless".

1. Glad you are watching this thread closely Hans, and post in your calm manner. Fortunately this thread is much less emotional than the testserver feedback thread, which I greatly appreciate. Continue your awesome work!

2. Maybe CCP should try a different approach concerning the station lockout and take smaller steps in this respect. There was consensus in other threads that station service denial would be preferable to a complete station lockout. And if a lockout should be needed, then this should only affect militia stations, not neutral ones.

3. Even if station lockout should be implemented (which I am definitevely opposed to), this will not break FW. There are so many workarounds (alts, Black Frog Service, POS's etc.) that it would be a nuisance, nothing more. Besides that I will at least give it a try.

4. Concerning plexing and LP stuff it looks like good advice for everybody to wait for the DevBlog that is announced for this week, and not speculate their ass off, this leads nowhere.

Currently any of our staging systems can probably be taken by the jesus blob you can summon on saturday prime time to plex for 6 hours, nothing really factors into it. However, it seems you holding on the them is not necessarily so easy as has been show on few occasions. However, the inevitable last hour rushes will pretty much make mockery of this in all levels, no matter which side does it.

The bottom line is that neither CCP nor the CSM can advocate rules or changes that are based upon the actions capsuleers take in anticipation of a package of changes that was never set in stone, and still isn't set in stone. It's a tough pill to swallow for some, but every single patch there is a similar flurry of economic activity, and plenty of pilots have lost billions before speculating on future changes that may or may not come to pass. CCP cannot change that policy now and make Sovereignty adjustments simply because pilots moved into enemy sov space under the assumption it would magically become their own.

The fact that there are such simple workarounds is exactly why they should not do full station lockouts. It's purely illusory and easily avoided using the meta game. That makes it a silly, unnecessary, change.

The only reason one would do such a thing is if someone actually wants to ENCOURAGE the use of neutral alts. And the only reason I can think someone would want to do that is something I really don't want to contemplate.

Lock out station services and agents. That can't be exploited around (as easily).

Regardless, I am keeping an open mind and will wait for the devblog.

1. Glad you are watching this thread closely Hans, and post in your calm manner. Fortunately this thread is much less emotional than the testserver feedback thread, which I greatly appreciate. Continue your awesome work!

2. Maybe CCP should try a different approach concerning the station lockout and take smaller steps in this respect. There was consensus in other threads that station service denial would be preferable to a complete station lockout. And if a lockout should be needed, then this should only affect militia stations, not neutral ones.

3. Even if station lockout should be implemented (which I am definitevely opposed to), this will not break FW. There are so many workarounds (alts, Black Frog Service, POS's etc.) that it would be a nuisance, nothing more. Besides that I will at least give it a try.

4. Concerning plexing and LP stuff it looks like good advice for everybody to wait for the DevBlog that is announced for this week, and not speculate their ass off, this leads nowhere.

It seems the basis of your debate is that Militia Corps are not capable (or willing) to support new pilots and helping them get the tools they need to succeed. It also suggests that Corps in Militia do not think about infrastructure to support their goals. Both these assumptions are incorrect for at least some Corps/Alliances. It is quite easy to set up a Corp like a Null Sec alliance now. Even with bully Pirate alliances like PL in our midst. All the Militias have to do is think more about the end game and what they need to do to get there.

I seem to remember an old world book chapter... Habit 2: Begin with the end in mind. Applys very well here.

1. Glad you are watching this thread closely Hans, and post in your calm manner. Fortunately this thread is much less emotional than the testserver feedback thread, which I greatly appreciate. Continue your awesome work!

2. Maybe CCP should try a different approach concerning the station lockout and take smaller steps in this respect. There was consensus in other threads that station service denial would be preferable to a complete station lockout. And if a lockout should be needed, then this should only affect militia stations, not neutral ones.

3. Even if station lockout should be implemented (which I am definitevely opposed to), this will not break FW. There are so many workarounds (alts, Black Frog Service, POS's etc.) that it would be a nuisance, nothing more. Besides that I will at least give it a try.

4. Concerning plexing and LP stuff it looks like good advice for everybody to wait for the DevBlog that is announced for this week, and not speculate their ass off, this leads nowhere.

Siggy is absolutely right. Regardless of what everyone likes or doesn't like about the changes on the table, as long as there are capsuleers proposing creative solutions to the challenges presented before the Faction Warfare community, CCP has little incentive to change their course and cater to those that feel that one change or another makes things "impossible" or "hopeless".

Yeah thats a good idea put up a pos in a system where you know you will just get outblobbed. Why didn't white noise think of that when they were fighting goons?

Hans ... I understand u have to advocate as CSM .... However reaction of people here and in game actually shows the whole fw package is bad and it actually shows that there is no concept for low sec as a independent playground (last fun sandbox if u want). As it looks somebody in ccp wants just ruin last pieces of fun smaller scale warfare and is honestly for the first time driving me to alternative of leaving fw /disbanding no.1 caldari corp and potentially quiting eve (but as i am not ragequiter i am very careful with that)....

have been hopeful that CCP would adjust faction war in a way that would bring about many more quality pvp fights. I have been hanging on to this hope for much longer than any semi rational person would.

JagerblitzenThey've already said they'll have a dev blog out this week, I highly recommend people wait until they know what the situation is before they just assume what they see on SiSi is static.

I'm confused as to why people think it'll make such a big difference. Years ago the public amarr fleets staged out of Tuomuta (in highsec). Nothing here will stop anyone from basing out of highsec and that's a worst case scenario.

This may actually be useful since it'll penalize the flashy pirates that join fw for additional wartargets that don't require gcc. For those that aren't <-5, the 'cataclysmic consequences' of this change are vastly overblown.

I'm confused as to why people think it'll make such a big difference. Years ago the public amarr fleets staged out of Tuomuta (in highsec). Nothing here will stop anyone from basing out of highsec and that's a worst case scenario.

This may actually be useful since it'll penalize the flashy pirates that join fw for additional wartargets that don't require gcc. For those that aren't <-5, the 'cataclysmic consequences' of this change are vastly overblown.

Problem, atleast half amarr miltia is -5 or below.

And that's supposed to be the fault of the game designers?

So as I understand it then, the people whining have made a choice to go -5 by killing non-wts and now don't want to pay any penalties for it? Fascinating.

And that's supposed to be the fault of the game designers?

So as I understand it then, the people whining have made a choice to go -5 by killing non-wts and now don't want to pay any penalties for it? Fascinating.

I'm fine with not going to high-sec because I'm pirate thats fine, but locking me out of station because I'm on the loosing side, I'm not gonna go rat in null-sec for 5 day straight, only to come back and make it go down to -5 again whilst still being miltiia. I'll just straight up and leave miltiia like many others.