how much longer? Any idea?

At the end it will be all a question of balance. So basically what CCP has to set up is that a station in an almost empty system which is nearly no population is fast to conquer... e.g. by 3 to 6 hours of continuose attack. However, a station in core systems like Auga for example should take much more time to conquer if no defence arrives. At least 48 or more hours.

Datacores are 1000LP + 1m isk for 5

Amarr LP Store has

Amarrian Starship Engineering, Graviton Physics, Lazor Phyics, Nanite Engineering, High Energy Phyics

Also I got 25K lp from a Major solo. Ihub grade status unknown but likely empty.

125K LP + 125m = 625 Datacores.

High Energy Phyics = 298k each x 625 = 186.215m - 125 = 61m profit
Nanite Engineering = 334k each x 625 = 208.75 = 125 = 83m profit.
Amarrian Starship Engineering = 299k x 625 = 186.8 =125 = 61.8m Profit
Lazor Phyics = 224k x 625 = 140m - 125 = 15m Profit
Graviton Physics = 198k x 625 = 123 - 125 = -1.25m loss.

Not sure thats a super good return for your LP. So either no ones gonna use it or Datacores are about to become alot more expensive.

I have always supported the concept of a lock-out feature and am interested to see that it may be implemented. However, I consider that the currently proposed mechanism is flawed, effectively penalising players for joining a militia corp. Consider that pirates in Amamake would have free access to all stations whereas TLF pilots would be completely excluded should the system ever become occupied by the Amarrian forces (extreme unlikely example I know but you get the point)

My vision of the feature has always been linked to personal/corporation standings to the station's corporation or faction.

Implementing it by standings would affect all players across all NPC space.

Hisec would operate on a NRDS basis:
STANDING: EFFECT
Excellent/Good: Free Access
Neutral: Free Access
Bad/Terrible: Lock Out

And losec on a NBSI basis:
STANDING: EFFECT
Excellent/Good: Free Access
Neutral: Lock Out
Bad/Terrible: Lock Out

NB: If you are at war with a faction, by joining an opposing militia, then you should be treated as having Bad/Terrible standings until you leave the opposing militia. Similar to the mechanism for the Faction Navies in NPC hisec.

This would prepare players for nullsec station mechanics without being too restrictive, as getting standings with NPC corporations is relatively simple.

I reiterate that this feature should be on a station by station basis, not on a system by system basis. So an Amarrian crusader (spit!) could still dock in Amarrian stations in Minmatar losec, or even hisec, that they have good standings with.

Taking this a step further would see the expulsion of faction aligned stations from an opposing faction's hisec, perhaps extending this to losec too.

Finally, militia stations would become conquerable stations, like exist in NPC nullsec but only conquerable by the opposing faction and only when the system is vulnerable or occupied by the opposing faction.

Increasing the time to take a system could actually make the changes even worse than they were before because it limits the effect that a single person can have on the warzone, or their little part of it. Punishing and rewarding the militia as a whole for their successes and failures is already going to make any individual's actions feel futile, and the time increase will only make that feeling worse.

Even now, when it takes half a day to conquer a system, there is a feeling among some of the most dedicated plexers that much of what they're doing is futile. What's the point of pushing a system for four hours during EU primetime when you know that the US primetime of your own militia won't be there to finish the job? Now you have to rely on other (mostly apathetic) people for several days.

Got my ships locked in a station? Now it'll take five times as long to get them back. Maybe won't bother spending a a week grinding. I'll just quit FW and go on as before.

OK so now that we know it will take 40 hours to cap a system instead of the 8 there should be no problem now with station lockout. It gives every TZ an opportunity "to do their duty" of protecting the system.

Again what I like the most about these changes is the concentration of forces in a "home based" system.

I dont think these changes, change FW into 0.0 I think they force FW to be FW . LIke I said its feast together or die together, just as it should. A marine in one division and a marine in another division are still in the same marines.

Got my ships locked in a station? Now it'll take five times as long to get them back. Maybe won't bother spending a a week grinding. I'll just quit FW and go on as before.

LOL, problem solved. Nobody but an extremely few number of diehards is going to spend that amount of time to flip a system. We're back to pre-December plex warfare.

Increasing the time to take a system could actually make the changes even worse than they were before because it limits the effect that a single person can have on the warzone, or their little part of it. Punishing and rewarding the militia as a whole for their successes and failures is already going to make any individual's actions feel futile, and the time increase will only make that feeling worse.

Even now, when it takes half a day to conquer a system, there is a feeling among some of the most dedicated plexers that much of what they're doing is futile. What's the point of pushing a system for four hours during EU primetime when you know that the US primetime of your own militia won't be there to finish the job? Now you have to rely on other (mostly apathetic) people for several days.

Got my ships locked in a station? Now it'll take five times as long to get them back. Maybe won't bother spending a a week grinding. I'll just quit FW and go on as before.

Why quit when we can probably still ninja-cap plexes at will thus making tons of money at zero risk .. less risk than bomber missions even! Sure, they claim to want to sort out the NPCs but I'll believe that when I see it so free ISK and farmers in stabbed frigs galore!

3. Militia store LP prices are affected by faction wide performance (discounts in increments of 10%)

I predict the pve will give you mad amounts of lp. I intend to give it a fair shake, but it looks like the best bet will be to put your pvp characters in a neutral corp and have your pve alts in fw.

Faster system flipping sounds like it would be in order here.

The enemy not letting you dock in their stations makes sense. Hell, enemy sentry guns shooting you when you get close makes sense. Having to gather together gigantor blobs to duke it out before anything meaningful happens does not make sense.

Faster system flipping and/or a more dynamic "contested" period is definitely what is in order here.

Can anyone tell me if LP and Tag prices for faction modules are changed too? Currently it is simply not worth to create most of the faction modules because they are much more expensive than their dead space counterparts. Is this fixed?

Without going into exhaustive detail:
1. Cannot dock in stations that are in systems controlled by an enemy
- Ninja Edit: This does not affect neutrals

2. There are 5 levels of discounts for a number of different things - if you own the system and have upgraded it
- Medical clone discounts (from 10% in increments of 10 up to 50% discount)
- Number of assembly lines increases by 1 for every level
- All broker fees discounted (from 10% in increments of 10 up to 50%)
- NOTE: You only get these discounts in the FW system
- ADDENDUM: These discounts apply to neutrals not in FW

It is not about the size of the dog in the fight, It is about the size of the fight in the dog .....

.... we lack numbers we compensate it by sneaky techniques .... ECM bursts etc. ... funny how he is buthurt they did not catch my SBing, stabbed, cloaky, ECM burst scorpion ..... ;)

If you watch the Fan Fest presentation, you'll notice the plan is to put LP store prices on a sliding scale based on Factional success....

I have seen absolutely zero changes that directly buff PvE or mission running. As far as I know, every single one of the increases has been on the PvP side of the equation.

As it stands, Faction Warfare pilots will enjoy more monetary rewards for their pew pew than any other career PvP'er in the game, unless your massive alliance has tech moons and replaces all your ships 100%. Even pirates won't be profiting as much from killing other players as Faction Warfare pilots will. The idea that there is no incentive to be a PvP-er in FW vs a neutral PvP-er is just plain silly.

One of the top complaints about the coming changes has been that players HATE the idea of working towards rewards / consequences that will be taken away overnight.

The faster systems are flipped, the more meaningless any system-based consequences or rewards become. I told CCP straight up that I had ZERO intention of putting my hard-earned LP towards upgrading a system if I had not even the slightest guarantee that I could still enjoy the reward when I woke up the next morning. I'd much prefer just to buy ships with it instead.

But if I knew it took a few days to flip a system, and a coordinated effort could be mounted where I could rely on the allies that I trust to pick up the defense where I left off ? Sure, that's worth investing in.

The Faction Warfare community has begged for consequence and reward for years now. It's arrived. Why in the world would we want to water it down and render it meaningless before anyone's even had a chance to enjoy it first?

Can anyone tell me if LP and Tag prices for faction modules are changed too? Currently it is simply not worth to create most of the faction modules because they are much more expensive than their dead space counterparts. Is this fixed?