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Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:06:00 -
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Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec? |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
803
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:08:00 -
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if EVE was a three sharded game themepark MMO this would be a valid argument, but alas it is a single shard highly competitive MMO so risk/reward balance considerations have to be made. |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:10:00 -
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You fly in low and null sec that is the risk you as the player wished to make- you chose to do it, nobody twisted your arm. So stop trying to twist others arms because you chose a different play style. |
Kuehnelt
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
26
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:11:00 -
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You don't understand it? OK, let James 315 explain. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
364
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:12:00 -
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Nothing is being forced on anyone else. IF those miners didn't agree to being ganked, they wouldn't have undocked. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:12:00 -
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because the low null players, while playing in low and null sec, also want to play in hisec too. so stop cockblocking their play style. |
Whiteknight03
Trilon Industries and Exploration
59
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:16:00 -
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So what you're saying is that you want to play your playstyle, that of a boring grinder pansy, unhindered. That's cool. The rest of us will play our playstyle unhindered too, however. It's only fair. And if those two happen to collide . . . well, I hope you have some good guns ready. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
197
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:17:00 -
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You seem to be under the assumption that high sec = pve space and low/null = pvp space. You are wrong
You are trying to force your playstyle of no pvp on me and THAT WILL NOT GO UNPUNISHED |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:17:00 -
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It is so funny because most of the whining on these boards seem to come from the people in null and low sec that can't stand that fact that their are, "shock", people that don't want to have crap to do with null or low sec space and the BS that takes place their. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
804
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:18:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:It is so funny because most of the whining on these boards seem to come from the people in null and low sec lol scroll up and check out who made the latest whine thread |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
364
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:19:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:It is so funny because most of the whining on these boards seem to come from the people in null and low sec that can't stand that fact that their are, "shock", people that don't want to have crap to do with null or low sec space and the BS that takes place their.
Ahahahahaha, what. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6386
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:23:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? Because it's an unavoidable consequence of the game being a multiplayer sandbox.
Quote:If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want GǪnot to mention highsec, since that's where a lot of the good targets live and since it's just as much a combat zone as null and lowsec.
Quote:Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it? The problem is that in doing so, they affect the world around them and thus it needs to be possible for the world to affect them right back, no matter how much they wish it didn't. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
364
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:26:00 -
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lol someone got their miner blown up tonight. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
556
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:28:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:It is so funny because most of the whining on these boards seem to come from the people in null and low sec lol scroll up and check out who made the latest whine thread Oh. Classy~ <3 Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:29:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:lol someone got their miner blown up tonight.
Nope...sorry.
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
364
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:31:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:lol someone got their miner blown up tonight. Nope...sorry.
Judging by your posting, I'd say you did. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
556
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:32:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:lol someone got their miner blown up tonight. Nope...sorry. Judging by your posting, I'd say you did. Can never tell with these.. is that an NPC corp alt, forum alt even?
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
364
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:33:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:lol someone got their miner blown up tonight. Nope...sorry. Judging by your posting, I'd say you did. Can never tell with these.. is that an NPC corp alt, forum alt even?
Probably an NPC alt. Trying to avoid the Death Squads. No entries at all on eve-kill. We can at least tell that someone closely associated with the OP got their Hulk blown up tonight. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:34:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:lol someone got their miner blown up tonight. Nope...sorry. Judging by your posting, I'd say you did.
Hehehe...no...haven't lost anything. I just come to these boards and see all these post from null and low sec players whining about how high sec. |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:35:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:lol someone got their miner blown up tonight. Nope...sorry. Judging by your posting, I'd say you did. Can never tell with these.. is that an NPC corp alt, forum alt even? Probably an NPC alt. Trying to avoid the Death Squads. No entries at all on eve-kill. We can at least tell that someone closely associated with the OP got their Hulk blown up tonight.
Actually I just came back to the game to see if it had improved since I left and it seems it hasn't, the same whining bunch are still here whining about high sec. Same old same old. |
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Generals4
Caldari State
674
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:44:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec?
If you are referring to the ganking in High sec than sorry but they aren't imposing their play style onto you. They are just playing the game and you can avoid being ganked if you wanted. The only times they are trying to impose their game style is when they suggest to make high sec less lucrative or less safe. But that's not really ever gonna happen anyway. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
402
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:45:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: Why force your play style on others? /.../ Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? There are many reasons ofc but one the most important ones are economic health in a game like EVE. There need to be gathering of material, manufacturing AND destruction in the game. And EVE players like to blow up other players spaceships. |
Avraham Avinu
Children of Noah
2
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:46:00 -
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The reality is, is that ganking in high-sec is part of the high-sec play style. That is why CCP made Concord less responsive in lower sec high-sec systems, etc. instead of making some type of "instakill" weapon for any and all violations.
you should consider your post a wake-up call to what Eve really is and how CCP intended the game to be.
Working as intended. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
717
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:48:00 -
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The weak will be consumed. It is not a play style. It is a fact. Adapt or die.
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Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:49:00 -
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Generals4 wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec? If you are referring to the ganking in High sec than sorry but they aren't imposing their play style onto you. They are just playing the game and you can avoid being ganked if you wanted. The only times they are trying to impose their game style is when they suggest to make high sec less lucrative or less safe. But that's not really ever gonna happen anyway.
So all those so called hardcore players cannot deal with null and low sec and come to high sec to blow up some defenseless noob. Makes since. I mean that is why they come to high sec to gank anyways, because they don't have the balls to do it in low and null sec. What a bunch of whining pansy arse players. |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:51:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: Why force your play style on others? /.../ Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? There are many reasons ofc but one the most important ones are economic health in a game like EVE. There need to be gathering of material, manufacturing AND destruction in the game. And EVE players like to blow up other players spaceships.
Right and null sec and low sec is put that for that reason. Want to blow **** up, you have a large swath of game area to do it in...have fun - blow the crap out of one another. |
Verte Sinkon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:51:00 -
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Well, for me personally, it is because I enjoy oppressing the impoverished mining underclass of EVE. Which is intensified when it leads them to rush to the forums to complain about the null sec bourgeoisie.
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RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:52:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Generals4 wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec? If you are referring to the ganking in High sec than sorry but they aren't imposing their play style onto you. They are just playing the game and you can avoid being ganked if you wanted. The only times they are trying to impose their game style is when they suggest to make high sec less lucrative or less safe. But that's not really ever gonna happen anyway. So all those so called hardcore players cannot deal with null and low sec and come to high sec to blow up some defenseless noob. Makes since. I mean that is why they come to high sec to gank anyways, because they don't have the balls to do it in low and null sec. What a bunch of whining pansy arse players.
you see, in the case of the goons, they burn 0.0 for tech moon cash money and burn jita for fun, lol they are such pansies. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
25
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:53:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Generals4 wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec? If you are referring to the ganking in High sec than sorry but they aren't imposing their play style onto you. They are just playing the game and you can avoid being ganked if you wanted. The only times they are trying to impose their game style is when they suggest to make high sec less lucrative or less safe. But that's not really ever gonna happen anyway. So all those so called hardcore players cannot deal with null and low sec and come to high sec to blow up some defenseless noob. Makes since. I mean that is why they come to high sec to gank anyways, because they don't have the balls to do it in low and null sec. What a bunch of whining pansy arse players. they have the balls to gank you carebears. do you dare to do it?? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6386
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:53:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:What a bunch of whining pansy arse players. GǪexcept that they don't whine all that much, especially compared to those who want to see highsec made safe from various forms of unprovoked and/or non-consensual boat violence.
Quote:Right and null sec and low sec is put that for that reason GǪas was highsec. So why should they go to null or low when highsec is where the fun/juicy targets are?
Put another way: why are you trying to force your play style on others? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
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Generals4
Caldari State
674
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:53:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Generals4 wrote:
If you are referring to the ganking in High sec than sorry but they aren't imposing their play style onto you. They are just playing the game and you can avoid being ganked if you wanted. The only times they are trying to impose their game style is when they suggest to make high sec less lucrative or less safe. But that's not really ever gonna happen anyway.
So all those so called hardcore players cannot deal with null and low sec and come to high sec to blow up some defenseless noob. Makes since. I mean that is why they come to high sec to gank anyways, because they don't have the balls to do it in low and null sec. What a bunch of whining pansy arse players.
Well, some people feed on tears. And it is part of EVE, better learn how to deal with it because it ain't going away. And tbh, i think it kind of spices up the high sec gameplay. But than again, i have left the high sec gameplay for quite some time now. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Federigo Mondial
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:54:00 -
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High sec ain't your PvE playground yo. Don't deny others their fun |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
556
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:54:00 -
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Verte Sinkon wrote:Well, for me personally, it is because I enjoy oppressing the impoverished mining underclass of EVE. Which is intensified when it leads them to rush to the forums to complain about the null sec bourgeoisie.
O ...
I mean why would you admit to such a thing? Don't you know they can mine a titan back into its component minerals in 30 minutes flat? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:55:00 -
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Verte Sinkon wrote:Well, for me personally, it is because I enjoy oppressing the impoverished mining underclass of EVE. Which is intensified when it leads them to rush to the forums to complain about the null sec bourgeoisie.
Actually if you play EVE you knwo that null sec is by far some of the safest places to fly. In fact it is so boring that people like you cannot find stuff to do so you come to high sec because at least in high sec you can find something to blow up that doesn't fight back. You could you know, travel to many places in low sec and find an actual good fight, but that would be to hard for you and you wouldn't want that - no would you. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
556
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:56:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:What a bunch of whining pansy arse players. GǪexcept that they don't whine all that much, especially compared to those who want to see highsec made safe from various forms of unprovoked and/or non-consensual boat violence. Quote:Right and null sec and low sec is put that for that reason GǪas was highsec. So why should they go to null or low when highsec is where the fun/juicy targets are? Boat is very violent.
Some people like shooting hulks, he loves shooting structures and titans. Scary when you just see him let loose all his big-thing shooting abilities.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Alxea
Trauma Ward
70
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:57:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec? Once you undock, you consent to any form of pvp. Also because we can, because the game allows it, and because ccp has made the game this way since the beginning! If you don't like it, there are other MMO's that are 100% safe. Eve never was meant to and never will be safe. |
Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:57:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec?
Read the "Tilting at windmills" post .... you will understand ... kind of .... Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |
Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
416
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:57:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:whining
No John, you are the whiners
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
364
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:02:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Verte Sinkon wrote:Well, for me personally, it is because I enjoy oppressing the impoverished mining underclass of EVE. Which is intensified when it leads them to rush to the forums to complain about the null sec bourgeoisie.
Actually if you play EVE you know that null sec is by far some of the safest and boring places to fly. In fact it is so boring that people like you cannot find stuff to do so you come to high sec because at least in high sec you can find something to blow up that doesn't fight back. You could you know, travel to many places in low sec and find an actual good fight, but that would be to hard for you and you wouldn't want that - no would you.
Why look for ~gudfites~ when someone could just gank you and get all this entertainment out of it? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Alxea
Trauma Ward
70
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:04:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Generals4 wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec? If you are referring to the ganking in High sec than sorry but they aren't imposing their play style onto you. They are just playing the game and you can avoid being ganked if you wanted. The only times they are trying to impose their game style is when they suggest to make high sec less lucrative or less safe. But that's not really ever gonna happen anyway. So all those so called hardcore players cannot deal with null and low sec and come to high sec to blow up some defenseless noob. Makes since. I mean that is why they come to high sec to gank anyways, because they don't have the balls to do it in low and null sec. What a bunch of whining pansy arse players. Actually some of us have proven lowsec and 0.0 killboards but also like to shift into different play styles. About 6 to 8 months ago I was all about lowsec, w-space, and 0.0 but I got board. So I came to highsec to kill miners because right now it floats my boat. When I get board with the tears I will go back to 0.0 and lowsec. They just need to boost lowsec and make local delayed in 0.0 then it wouldn't be safer then highsec with their insta intel. The fact that your tears are still flowing means people will always come after you. Your crying just makes people do it more and you become a target if this is your main. |
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
169
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:07:00 -
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Avraham Avinu wrote:The reality is, is that ganking in high-sec is part of the high-sec play style. That is why CCP made Concord less responsive in lower sec high-sec systems, etc. instead of making some type of "instakill" weapon for any and all violations.
you should consider your post a wake-up call to what Eve really is and how CCP intended the game to be.
Working as intended.
I understand the next implementation of Concord, (as of Inferno?), is going to be an instakill weapon rather than a bunch of ships. On the plus side, it may take some time for the Death Ray to reach you. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Akiyo XI
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:07:00 -
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You can still play the way you want, no ones stopping you, its just that goonswarm is shifting the incentive to play the game. Some miners are tired of getting ganked or are now afraid of getting ganked and look to pve missions and activities as being more profitable. This is an impressive move on goonswarm's part. Since goons hate "carebares" so much they've actually gone and done something about it like burning jita and by doing so, has changed the entire game universe by slightly shifting the new mindset to pvp
welcome to the sandbox "The wise speak only of what they know" |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6388
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:18:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Boat is very violent. I always go the impression that GǣtalkativeGǥ was the PC way of describing himGǪ
Mars Theran wrote:I understand the next implementation of Concord, (as of Inferno?), is going to be an instakill weapon rather than a bunch of ships. On the plus side, it may take some time for the Death Ray to reach you. Yes and now and kind of. It will still have the same seclevel-based delays as it has now and it will still involve ships arriving at the sceneGǪ
GǪbut what actually kills you will be a CONCORD death-ray GÇö the ships are just meaningless decoration that don't really do anything. They're just there to justify the fact that the criminal's ship just blew up (for completely separate reasons). This is meant to solve the issue of GÇ£herdingGÇ¥ CONCORD and to reduce the load on the servers, At the appointed time, a couple of objects with no useful properties whatsoever and with no AI will spawn, and at the same time, the offending ship will be flagged as destroyed. The whole thing is very easy to process and communicate to anyone witnessing the event. That also provides a hard barrier to any kind of avoidance techniques players may invent: at the designated time, the ship just goes boom regardless of whether any decorative CONCORD ships are actually at the scene or not.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:20:00 -
[44] - Quote
Eve as envisioned by CCP had 3 distinct sectors high sec, low sec, and null sec.
high sec was the introduction to Eve, a place to learn the basics. Get the feel for combat, earn some isk, and move on to bigger an better adventures. Such as low sec where there was better loot to be found at the cost of higher risk.
For the truly adventurous they could move out to null and experience Eve at it fullest (live build and battle in player created empires) .
Unfortunately CCP erroneously made high sec a bit to comfy for those of us who love their space warm and squishy . They also neglected null sec to a certain extent and inadvertently created the high sec industrial block that we have now.
So at this point you have 2 major game mechanics created high sec and null sec . they both demand attention and ccp has to focus on both, thus low sec gets ignored and devolves into the anarchy that currently rules it.
So when you see people pushing one to play one style or another its stems from this basic flaw that effects eve.
High sec was never intended to become the center of eve.
The push to get one out of high sec and into null is the very core of eve .
With null and low sec comes the inevitable pvp mechanic , Highsec has become a way for people to avoid this intended aspect of eve (this was unintentional ) it was hoped that players would leave high sec, exploit low sec, engage in good fights, and carry on into null and build their empires pvp'ing all the way .
CCP and the player base underestimated the number of risk adverse players. When they all holed up in high sec it created a dilema for CCP and the players. CCP was left wondering and maintaining what to do with these people, and the player base was left wondering how the hell can i shoot them ?
and this is why you see the angst and the constant pushing to play one or the other . it could be argued( and it is constantly) that high sec is what broke eve . |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:26:00 -
[45] - Quote
Sri Nova wrote:Eve as envisioned by CCP had 3 distinct sectors high sec, low sec, and null sec.
high sec was the introduction to Eve, a place to learn the basics. Get the feel for combat, earn some isk, and move on to bigger an better adventures. Such as low sec where there was better loot to be found at the cost of higher risk.
For the truly adventurous they could move out to null and experience Eve at it fullest (live build and battle in player created empires) .
Unfortunately CCP erroneously made high sec a bit to comfy for those of us who love their space warm and squishy . They also neglected null sec to a certain extent and inadvertently created the high sec industrial block that we have now.
So at this point you have 2 major game mechanics created high sec and null sec . they both demand attention and ccp has to focus on both, thus low sec gets ignored and devolves into the anarchy that currently rules it.
So when you see people pushing one to play one style or another its stems from this basic flaw that effects eve.
High sec was never intended to become the center of eve.
The push to get one out of high sec and into null is the very core of eve .
With null and low sec comes the inevitable pvp mechanic , Highsec has become a way for people to avoid this intended aspect of eve (this was unintentional ) it was hoped that players would leave high sec exploit low sec engage in good fights and carry on into null and build their empires pvp'ing all the way .
CCP and the player base underestimated the number of risk adverse players. When they all holed up in high sec it created a dilema for CCP and the players. CCP was left wondering and maintaining what to do with these people, and the player base was left wondering how the hell can i shoot them ?
and this is why you see the angst and the constant pushing to play one or the other . it could be argued( and it is constantly) that high sec is what broke eve .
I disagree. I think the people that wanted null sec got it and when they got it they discovered it was boring as **** and or they had to kowtow down to some ******* of a corp leader and be at the persons beck and call all the time and that created a lot of angst. Face it...null and low sec are broke because the players broke it. To many arseholes play in null and low sec and because they can't get their rocks off in null and low sec any longer, they decide to move back into high sec to just be the griefers they are and have always been. |
Harrigan VonStudly
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
22
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:29:00 -
[46] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:It is so funny because most of the whining on these boards seem to come from the people in null and low sec that can't stand that fact that their are, "shock", people that don't want to have crap to do with null or low sec space and the BS that takes place their.
You certainly are a whining little ****, aren't you? Even here too |
March rabbit
Trojan Trolls Red Alliance
169
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:33:00 -
[47] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec.
you should be really ashamed!!!
there is big great alliances in 0.0 and great pvpers i nlow-sec!
you know: some of them are AWFUL and proud of it!
And you don't give a flying rats about them? What will they say in their schools: "no one is scared of me"?
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Verte Sinkon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:37:00 -
[48] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: I mean that is why they come to high sec to gank anyways, because they don't have the balls to do it in low and null sec. What a bunch of whining pansy arse players.
A generalized insult to the masculinity of gankers. How original.
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Verte Sinkon wrote:Well, for me personally, it is because I enjoy oppressing the impoverished mining underclass of EVE. Which is intensified when it leads them to rush to the forums to complain about the null sec bourgeoisie.
Actually if you play EVE you know that null sec is by far some of the safest and boring places to fly. In fact it is so boring that people like you cannot find stuff to do so you come to high sec because at least in high sec you can find something to blow up that doesn't fight back. You could you know, travel to many places in low sec and find an actual good fight, but that would be to hard for you and you wouldn't want that - no would you.
What is that old saying? "A good fight is one where a hulk blows up" or something. Why should I expend more effort in the pursuit of what you think qualifies as a "good fight" when you already have admitted it would be harder for me then ganking? Considering it is a game, with people usually playing games to have fun, I'm not sure why you should even be surprised this happens. |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
604
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:38:00 -
[49] - Quote
wait wait wait, tell me if I've got this right.
YOu want people to stop pushing their way of playing the game on you. Because, as you say, you don't think other people should leave you alone and stop trying to force you to play different. Which is what they do, they are playing eve the way they want to. They want to be pirates in a space mmo. That's pretty cool if you think about it, they are a bunch of nerds sitting at computers roleplaying that they are pirates. So really when one of them calls you a carebear nerd, just remember you're being insulted by someone who is playing a video game about space ships and taking it seriously.
So take your own advice. Don't force your play-style on other people. If they wan to play in the sandbox by being that bully who knocks down your sand castle yo spent hours doing? guess what, that's eve. It's the only game with a truly real sandbox environment. And that is how they choose to play the game, space pirates. BAsicly they are changing the way eve is played. More and more corps are going to start running hulkageddons. One day getting ganked while mining will be a real possibility.
There isn't 3 separate sandboxes to play in here, it's eve, it's less of a game then a bunch of objects thrown into a world, and then they just sort of let a bunch of us go nuts in it. They didn't set up a market with preset prices. players choose the prices on their own.
So what you want is allready whats going on here. Your mining game is not being changed by CCP, it's evoling socaily. Which could only happen in eve. it's Awesome. |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:38:00 -
[50] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec.
you should be really ashamed!!! there is big great alliances in 0.0 and great pvpers i nlow-sec! you know: some of them are AWFUL and proud of it! And you don't give a flying rats about them? What will they say in their schools: "no one is scared of me"?
They only people that care about people in null sec are the people in null sec that tell themselves that their little virtual spaceship ego is important. |
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Harrigan VonStudly
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
23
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:40:00 -
[51] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:wait wait wait, tell me if I've got this right.
YOu want people to stop pushing their way of playing the game on you. Because, as you say, you don't think other people should leave you alone and stop trying to force you to play different. Which is what they do, they are playing eve the way they want to. They want to be pirates in a space mmo. That's pretty cool if you think about it, they are a bunch of nerds sitting at computers roleplaying that they are pirates. So really when one of them calls you a carebear nerd, just remember you're being insulted by someone who is playing a video game about space ships and taking it seriously.
So take your own advice. Don't force your play-style on other people. If they wan to play in the sandbox by being that bully who knocks down your sand castle yo spent hours doing? guess what, that's eve. It's the only game with a truly real sandbox environment. And that is how they choose to play the game, space pirates. BAsicly they are changing the way eve is played. More and more corps are going to start running hulkageddons. One day getting ganked while mining will be a real possibility.
There isn't 3 separate sandboxes to play in here, it's eve, it's less of a game then a bunch of objects thrown into a world, and then they just sort of let a bunch of go nuts in it. They didn't set up a market with preset prices. players choose the prices on their own.
So what you want is allready whats going on here. Your mining game is not being changed by CCP, it's evoling socaily. Which could only happen in eve. it's Awesome.
Not empty quoting |
TWHC Assistant
49
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:40:00 -
[52] - Quote
Funny thread. I like it! |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:42:00 -
[53] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:wait wait wait, tell me if I've got this right.
YOu want people to stop pushing their way of playing the game on you. Because, as you say, you don't think other people should leave you alone and stop trying to force you to play different. Which is what they do, they are playing eve the way they want to. They want to be pirates in a space mmo. That's pretty cool if you think about it, they are a bunch of nerds sitting at computers roleplaying that they are pirates. So really when one of them calls you a carebear nerd, just remember you're being insulted by someone who is playing a video game about space ships and taking it seriously.
So take your own advice. Don't force your play-style on other people. If they wan to play in the sandbox by being that bully who knocks down your sand castle yo spent hours doing? guess what, that's eve. It's the only game with a truly real sandbox environment. And that is how they choose to play the game, space pirates. BAsicly they are changing the way eve is played. More and more corps are going to start running hulkageddons. One day getting ganked while mining will be a real possibility.
There isn't 3 separate sandboxes to play in here, it's eve, it's less of a game then a bunch of objects thrown into a world, and then they just sort of let a bunch of go nuts in it. They didn't set up a market with preset prices. players choose the prices on their own.
So what you want is allready whats going on here. Your mining game is not being changed by CCP, it's evoling socaily. Which could only happen in eve. it's Awesome.
LOL! Oh the frothing at the mouth is almost as good as tears. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3634
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:43:00 -
[54] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others?
Because I can.
Why play EVE otherwise?
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
21
|
Posted - 2012.05.04 06:45:00 -
[55] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? Because I can. Why play EVE otherwise? Malcanis you of all people are no pirate...you're as pathetic as the others. If you were as badarse as you think you are you'd be tearing up the kill boards and raking in the loots. :) |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3635
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:50:00 -
[56] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Malcanis wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? Because I can. Why play EVE otherwise? Malcanis you of all people are no pirate...you're as pathetic as the others. If you were as badarse as you think you are you'd be tearing up the kill boards and raking in the loots. :)
Well that's certainly put me and my many, many public claims to be a "badarse" in my place, eh?
Why not complete my humiliation by linking a few of them right here?
Alternatively, why not consider your assumptions before posting attacks on me? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
604
|
Posted - 2012.05.04 06:50:00 -
[57] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Malcanis wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? Because I can. Why play EVE otherwise? Malcanis you of all people are no pirate...you're as pathetic as the others. If you were as badarse as you think you are you'd be tearing up the kill boards and raking in the loots. :)
he supports the vision and the essence of the game. Even if he doesn't play every role you can play in eve, he loves that he plays a game that allows for so many professions and play styles to exist. Go play a one player game. Or a game like guild wars 2. It's great I swear, awesome PvP, great PvE area, fun boss battles, real , whatever I don't need to advertise it, my point is guildwars 2 is not a sandbox, but it's also a good game, so if you don't like playing eve online, don't play it. There are other good MMOs! |
Kievan Arakyd
MarSec Industries STR8NGE BREW
29
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:52:00 -
[58] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec?
What is it about massively multiplayer sandbox dont you get? They arnt forcing a play style on you. |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:58:00 -
[59] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Malcanis wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? Because I can. Why play EVE otherwise? Malcanis you of all people are no pirate...you're as pathetic as the others. If you were as badarse as you think you are you'd be tearing up the kill boards and raking in the loots. :) he supports the vision and the essence of the game. Even if he doesn't play every role you can play in eve, he loves that he plays a game that allows for so many professions and play styles to exist. Go play a one player game. Or a game like guild wars 2. It's great I swear, awesome PvP, great PvE area, fun boss battles, real , whatever I don't need to advertise it, my point is guildwars 2 is not a sandbox, but it's also a good game, so if you don't like playing eve online, don't play it. There are other good MMOs!
I support people blowing crap up. I want them to blow stuff up. It is how industrialist and miners make their living. You and the others of null and low sec have tons of space and lots of things to blow up, but instead of fighting it out amongst yourselves, because that would be to hard and difficult and go against the games design, you instead take out your angst on new players and or players that don't wish to partake in your game of who has the biggest virtual e-peons.
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Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:59:00 -
[60] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: I disagree. I think the people that wanted null sec got it and when they got it they discovered it was boring as **** and or they had to kowtow down to some ******* of a corp leader and be at the persons beck and call all the time and that created a lot of angst. Face it...null and low sec are broke because the players broke it. To many arseholes play in null and low sec and because they can't get their rocks off in null and low sec any longer, they decide to move back into high sec to just be the griefers they are and have always been.
Oh it is very true that the players are to blame .
The players in high sec who hole up and have unintentionally forced CCP to change their vision of the game .
The players in low sec that made low sec into the wretch that is now.
The players in null sec have tried to make utopias but the mechanics are not there. the players could try harder but it always fails, ends up in civil war, or becomes overrun so yeah, it still comes down to the players (but they could use a lil more help from CCP) .
However lets not forget the players in high sec also effect the game, when a majority of them decide to hole up in high sec this creates a major shift in game play . One cannot expect no ramifications. (this very fact is pivotal as to why their is so much angst)
CCP is torn on the issue as well they introduced npc corp taxes to push people out, and into player corps. With the end result anticipated that more people would end up in null . Yet they introduce incursions to add more content into high sec.
A strong high sec makes for a weaker null and until this is resolved you will have issues. Many of the people in null are not hateful greifers they are the people trying to play the original vision of eve .
And the more that high sec is buffed (with players and mechanics) the more this vision will be dimmed.
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
369
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:00:00 -
[61] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Malcanis wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? Because I can. Why play EVE otherwise? Malcanis you of all people are no pirate...you're as pathetic as the others. If you were as badarse as you think you are you'd be tearing up the kill boards and raking in the loots. :) he supports the vision and the essence of the game. Even if he doesn't play every role you can play in eve, he loves that he plays a game that allows for so many professions and play styles to exist. Go play a one player game. Or a game like guild wars 2. It's great I swear, awesome PvP, great PvE area, fun boss battles, real , whatever I don't need to advertise it, my point is guildwars 2 is not a sandbox, but it's also a good game, so if you don't like playing eve online, don't play it. There are other good MMOs! I support people blowing crap up. I want them to blow stuff up. It is how industrialist and miners make their living. You and the others of null and low sec have tons of space and lots of things to blow up, but instead of fighting it out amongst yourselves, because that would be to hard and difficult and go against the games design, you instead take out your angst on new players and or players that don't wish to partake in your game of who has the biggest virtual e-peons.
She just doesn't want people to blow up her stuff, because she is a special snowflake whose feelings would possibly be hurt by the loss of her ship. Guys, please don't shoot her, it would be mean. Go play on the slide instead of being mean to the girl sitting in the corner playing by herself. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3639
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:06:00 -
[62] - Quote
Still waiting for those "Malcanis is a badarse" links btw.
No pressure. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:06:00 -
[63] - Quote
Sri Nova wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: I disagree. I think the people that wanted null sec got it and when they got it they discovered it was boring as **** and or they had to kowtow down to some ******* of a corp leader and be at the persons beck and call all the time and that created a lot of angst. Face it...null and low sec are broke because the players broke it. To many arseholes play in null and low sec and because they can't get their rocks off in null and low sec any longer, they decide to move back into high sec to just be the griefers they are and have always been.
Oh it is very true that the players are to blame . The players in high sec who hole up and have unintentionally forced CCP to change their vision of the game . The players in low sec that made low sec into the wretch that is now. The players in null sec have tried to make utopias but the mechanics are not there. the players could try harder but it always fails, ends up in civil war, or becomes overrun so yeah, it still comes down to the players (but they could use a lil more help from CCP) . However lets not forget the players in high sec also effect the game, when a majority of them decide to hole up in high sec this creates a major shift in game play . One cannot expect no ramifications. (this very fact is pivotal as to why their is so much angst) CCP is torn on the issue as well they introduced npc corp taxes to push people out, and into player corps. With the end result anticipated that more people would end up in null . Yet they introduce incursions to add more content into high sec. A strong high sec makes for a weaker null and until this is resolved you will have issues. Many of the people in null are not hateful greifers they are the people trying to play the original vision of eve . And the more that high sec is buffed (with players and mechanics) the more this vision will be dimmed.
If CCP removed high sec they'd be shutting their game down in months. Face it, for all the crying the null sec players want to do about high sec, high sec players contribute just as much subs if not more than the low sec. High sec is CCP's bread and butter. If anything CCP should be shoring up its PvE game and trying to get more people involved in EVE. As it is now their new player churn rate is extremely high. New people start, find out that EVE is not as good as people make it out to be and the game lacks solid PvE and they leave.
Low sec and null sec is the niche portion of EVE game play and it will always be that way...dozens of MMO's with FFA pvp rules shows us that. Look at any of the biggest ffa pvp titles...oh wait...their aren't any!
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TheButcherPete
Specter Syndicate CORE Alliance
156
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:09:00 -
[64] - Quote
This is really cute, OP, how about you post with your main?
Also, this is not WoW, you do not get your own carebear server. My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
563
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:09:00 -
[65] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Low sec and null sec is the niche portion of EVE game play and it will always be that way...dozens of MMO's with FFA pvp rules shows us that. Look at any of the biggest ffa pvp titles...oh wait...their aren't any! EVE Online? Oh wait, I see what you're getting at ...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6390
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:12:00 -
[66] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:I support people blowing crap up. I want them to blow stuff up. It is how industrialist and miners make their living. You and the others of null and low sec have tons of space and lots of things to blow up GǪnot to mention highsec, where there's also lots of things to blow up. So why on earth shouldn't they go there? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Shian Yang
63
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:13:00 -
[67] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:New people start, find out that EVE is not as good as people make it out to be and the game lacks solid PvE and they leave.
...
Look at any of the biggest ffa pvp titles...oh wait...their aren't any!
Greeings capsuleer,
That is as it should be. New Eden is a cold and harsh place and those who seek the safety of an experience far derived from other capsuleers will not enjoy this experience. I can't contrive of someone that would enjoy spinning naked in space while the cracked shell of their pod drifts away ...
As to your last point. You forgot New Eden. But then, you seem to be one of those that fail to understand what it is and seek something with fluffy unicorns and bunnies; so perhaps you won't.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
605
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:14:00 -
[68] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Sri Nova wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: I disagree. I think the people that wanted null sec got it and when they got it they discovered it was boring as **** and or they had to kowtow down to some ******* of a corp leader and be at the persons beck and call all the time and that created a lot of angst. Face it...null and low sec are broke because the players broke it. To many arseholes play in null and low sec and because they can't get their rocks off in null and low sec any longer, they decide to move back into high sec to just be the griefers they are and have always been.
Oh it is very true that the players are to blame . The players in high sec who hole up and have unintentionally forced CCP to change their vision of the game . The players in low sec that made low sec into the wretch that is now. The players in null sec have tried to make utopias but the mechanics are not there. the players could try harder but it always fails, ends up in civil war, or becomes overrun so yeah, it still comes down to the players (but they could use a lil more help from CCP) . However lets not forget the players in high sec also effect the game, when a majority of them decide to hole up in high sec this creates a major shift in game play . One cannot expect no ramifications. (this very fact is pivotal as to why their is so much angst) CCP is torn on the issue as well they introduced npc corp taxes to push people out, and into player corps. With the end result anticipated that more people would end up in null . Yet they introduce incursions to add more content into high sec. A strong high sec makes for a weaker null and until this is resolved you will have issues. Many of the people in null are not hateful greifers they are the people trying to play the original vision of eve . And the more that high sec is buffed (with players and mechanics) the more this vision will be dimmed. If CCP removed high sec they'd be shutting their game down in months. Face it, for all the crying the null sec players want to do about high sec, high sec players contribute just as much subs if not more than the low sec. High sec is CCP's bread and butter. If anything CCP should be shoring up its PvE game and trying to get more people involved in EVE. As it is now their new player churn rate is extremely high. New people start, find out that EVE is not as good as people make it out to be and the game lacks solid PvE and they leave. Low sec and null sec is the niche portion of EVE game play and it will always be that way...dozens of MMO's with FFA pvp rules shows us that. Look at any of the biggest ffa pvp titles...oh wait...their aren't any!
Who said anything about REMOVING high sec?
The game is working as intended, what you are asking for is to remove highsec, and replace it with your stupid carebear wonderland. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
644
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:19:00 -
[69] - Quote
Looks like another hiseccer whine thread without any sort of substance.
So I'll just fart loudly at the thought of "solid MMO PVE". ~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
606
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:26:00 -
[70] - Quote
I mean hell I never even got a level 4 mission agent untill my 2nd year playing eve online. When they finally back in 2005 let you tag along with a friend and get some of that standings boost and quest rewards.
Before i could play missions with friend and get rewards, sometime sI flew in missions with friends for free. Because it was fun.
And I never needed to buy many ships, my alliance replaced my losses. And on small gangs and ones I'm in charge of I have a solid datacore mining operation. I can afford my own equipment when we aren't in a major war with a ship replacement plan.
so in a way you don't even need to ever do a mission in this game but you can still play in high sec wars. That is part of highsec you can live there for a whole year and never run a mission. |
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Armoured C
PLAYBOYS
18
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:29:00 -
[71] - Quote
no one is forcing any play style on anything, if your unhappy with your ship being blown apart in hulkageddon OR it being destroyed in burn jita maybe you should stop building ships that attack you ????
(sorry tldr forum could be on something completly different but hey) and hi mothermoon
IM BACK :P |
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
62
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:31:00 -
[72] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: If CCP removed high sec they'd be shutting their game down in months. Face it, for all the crying the null sec players want to do about high sec, high sec players contribute just as much subs if not more than the low sec. High sec is CCP's bread and butter. If anything CCP should be shoring up its PvE game and trying to get more people involved in EVE. As it is now their new player churn rate is extremely high. New people start, find out that EVE is not as good as people make it out to be and the game lacks solid PvE and they leave.
Low sec and null sec is the niche portion of EVE game play and it will always be that way...dozens of MMO's with FFA pvp rules shows us that. Look at any of the biggest ffa pvp titles...oh wait...their aren't any!
Not implying CCP remove highsec in my opinion high sec is great you can putter around, blow crap up, engage in sanctioned pvp, gank people, play the market, and spam local with trash talk. its freaking great .
what im trying to illuminate is that high sec was never intended to be awesome .
The very root of players(who are anti highsec) ideology is formed by the fact that those who remain in highsec are playing a pervision of ccp's orginal vision of eve.
thats is why players are trying to get you to change your play style .
You dont have to agree with it , just understand that your vision and their vision is going to differ, and this creates the conflict that this thread is about .
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Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:32:00 -
[73] - Quote
I think we can all agree that we want EVE to be the best game it can be, am I right? If that is the case then as players should we be working toward the goal of working with CCP to accomplish just that. As I see it, null and low sec are broken. It has nothing to do with high sec and everything to do with the game mechanics of null and low sec.
First thing CCP could do to fix null and low sec is remove blobs. Can we agree on this? |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:33:00 -
[74] - Quote
Sri Nova wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: If CCP removed high sec they'd be shutting their game down in months. Face it, for all the crying the null sec players want to do about high sec, high sec players contribute just as much subs if not more than the low sec. High sec is CCP's bread and butter. If anything CCP should be shoring up its PvE game and trying to get more people involved in EVE. As it is now their new player churn rate is extremely high. New people start, find out that EVE is not as good as people make it out to be and the game lacks solid PvE and they leave.
Low sec and null sec is the niche portion of EVE game play and it will always be that way...dozens of MMO's with FFA pvp rules shows us that. Look at any of the biggest ffa pvp titles...oh wait...their aren't any!
Not implying CCP remove highsec in my opinion high sec is great you can putter around, blow crap up, engage in sanctioned pvp, gank people, play the market, and spam local with trash talk. its freaking great . what im trying to illuminate is that high sec was never intended to be awesome . The very root of players(who are anti highsec) ideology is formed by the fact that those who remain in highsec are playing a pervision of ccp's orginal vision of eve. thats is why players are trying to get you to change your play style . You dont have to agree with it , just understand that your vision and their vision is going to differ, and this creates the conflict that this thread is about .
Why can't high sec be as awesome as low and null sec? It can be rewarding in a different way. There are many ways to reward players for their efforts. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
563
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:35:00 -
[75] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:I think we can all agree that we want EVE to be the best game it can be, am I right? If that is the case then as players should we be working toward the goal of working with CCP to accomplish just that. As I see it, null and low sec are broken. It has nothing to do with high sec and everything to do with the game mechanics of null and low sec.
First thing CCP could do to fix null and low sec is remove blobs. Can we agree on this? Oh dear, we need to make less people log in if they live in lowsec or nullsec. Um, lets see... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Hulkageddon Orphanage
1104
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:35:00 -
[76] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec?
Didn't see this thread earlier so I will respond to op the most honest way I can think of.
Because we can |
Elbert Ainstein
The Engineer Corp.
2
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:45:00 -
[77] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec?
I once had the same opinion as you, and for the new players entering the game - a lot of them starting out as miners, as I did in 2004 - it must be pure hell getting their shiny new mining barge destroyed. As an older player, the "suicidebombers" in high-sec are now only to my benefit. Especially when they make these mass events, then I get even more filthy rich
I'm in this for the money! |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
607
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:47:00 -
[78] - Quote
Sri Nova wrote:You dont have to agree with it , just understand that your vision and their vision is going to differ, and this creates the conflict that this thread is about .
Correction, it creates the conflict that is eve itself, and what drives every part of the game forward. |
Kievan Arakyd
MarSec Industries STR8NGE BREW
29
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:48:00 -
[79] - Quote
Also, if someone is paying the role of a highsec terrorist, and you whine about it, and want to be all safe and snug in ccp's warm embrace, arn't you forcing your playstyle on those who have done nothing wrong but bring some excitement to highsec? |
Nirnias Stirrum
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
133
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:49:00 -
[80] - Quote
Confirming that OP should in fact resubscribe to WoW. |
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Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:49:00 -
[81] - Quote
Their argument is that nullsec pvp doesn't work without defenceless mining ships on either side for people to shoot at. Why these ships need to be crewed by human players who don't particularly like being shot at and prefer being in highsec is unclear at present. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Hulkageddon Orphanage
1104
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:52:00 -
[82] - Quote
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:Confirming that OP should in fact resubscribe to WoW.
You take that back |
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
62
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:54:00 -
[83] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: Why can't high sec be as awesome as low and null sec? It can be rewarding in a different way. There are many ways to reward players for their efforts.
High sec is detrimental to null sec via logistics .
with high sec providing perfect protection for the industrial base of eve and with high sec providing the majority of materials and in game items for eve null will never have the chance to become what ccp envisioned.
but alas with the game vision shifted maybe CCP can pull it off and make null and high sec equal but i truly do not think it can be done . as i see the two mutually exclusive to one another. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
607
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:22:00 -
[84] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec?
But you are then trying to force your style of play on pvpers, by trying to not allow them to blow you up. Its an unending circular argument give it up. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Dors Venabily
United Starbase Systems
18
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:35:00 -
[85] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Malcanis wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? Because I can. Why play EVE otherwise? Malcanis you of all people are no pirate...you're as pathetic as the others. If you were as badarse as you think you are you'd be tearing up the kill boards and raking in the loots. :) he supports the vision and the essence of the game. Even if he doesn't play every role you can play in eve, he loves that he plays a game that allows for so many professions and play styles to exist. Go play a one player game. Or a game like guild wars 2. It's great I swear, awesome PvP, great PvE area, fun boss battles, real , whatever I don't need to advertise it, my point is guildwars 2 is not a sandbox, but it's also a good game, so if you don't like playing eve online, don't play it. There are other good MMOs! I support people blowing crap up. I want them to blow stuff up. It is how industrialist and miners make their living. You and the others of null and low sec have tons of space and lots of things to blow up, but instead of fighting it out amongst yourselves, because that would be to hard and difficult and go against the games design, you instead take out your angst on new players and or players that don't wish to partake in your game of who has the biggest virtual e-peons.
The last paragraph sums up the whole thread. Null bears are shooting pinatas in high sec. Why? Because their alliance leaders are too afraid to do a real fighting so they do not loose their space and army of minions to command. So everone is just sitting on tech moons and sends the bored plebs of their null empire to enjoy some breads and circuses in high sec.
But really could not give a dam about it the whole Null Sec might as well disappear tomorrow it is so boring.
You want make null more interesting again? Remove local like in WH's. Until then it is one boring blob fest with too easy logisitics and jump bridge networks that make any interesting activities impossible. |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
607
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:38:00 -
[86] - Quote
Quote:Dors wrote:
I support people blowing crap up. I want them to blow stuff up. It is how industrialist and miners make their living. You and the others of null and low sec have tons of space and lots of things to blow up, but instead of fighting it out amongst yourselves, because that would be to hard and difficult and go against the games design, you instead take out your angst on new players and or players that don't wish to partake in your game of who has the biggest virtual e-peons.
The last paragraph sums up the whole thread. Null bears are shooting pinatas in high sec. Why? Because their alliance leaders are too afraid to do a real fighting so they do not loose their space and army of minions to command. So everone is just sitting on tech moons and sends the bored plebs of their null empire to enjoy some breads and circuses in high sec. But really could not give a dam about it the whole Null Sec might as well disappear tomorrow it is so boring.
You want make null more interesting again? Remove local like in WH's. Until then it is one boring blob fest with too easy logisitics and jump bridge networks that make any interesting activities impossible. [/quote]
it's actually how funny how obvious of a change it would be to remove local from 0.0 now a days. |
Zora'e
Nasty Pope
27
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:44:00 -
[87] - Quote
When I first started playing EVE I thought much like you do. As time went on and I gained more experience with EVE I realized that that way of thinking in this game, just paints a BIG target on your back for people who love nothing more than to make you cry....
It's a seductive thing EVE is... first it lures you in with the promise of rich rewards for hard effort, then it slaps you upside the head with some Auto Cannons and makes you it's little $3.00 ****.
If you survive that without quiting... you realize that EVE is a harsh Mistress and nothing you can do will change that, so you may as well bend over and get ready to receive the big shaft.. or grab your guns and bend someone over and give them the shaft.
What position you want to be in is up to you. You can play the *****, or you can play the bastard. There is no in between.
~Z In EVE Online...-á-á A Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e-áI once popped a frigate with a Battleship just for the LOL's... Concord didn't think it was funny. |
Caecilia Arene
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:55:00 -
[88] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec? As someone who lives in high-sec to I don't think you fully understand the EVE economy (been here since 2005 so got a bit of an understanding of it).
Stuff needs to blow up constantly for the economy to survive. It needs to blow up in null-sec. It need to blow up in low-sec and you guessed it... it needs to blow up in high-sec. Therefore there must be risk in high-sec from suicide gankers, war decs and so on. You can't just expect to play this game in a bubble... you need to read the forums about what events are going on at the moment. Burn Jita means give it a miss for a few day (i.e. don't fly your freighter full of zydrine to Jita that day). Hulkageddon - give high-sec mining a miss for a while or take the risk. Be versatile as there are many ways to make ISK in this game...
Personally I think high sec living should be a little more rugged. I would advocate a steady increase in taxes the longer you stay in an NPC noob corp.
Without ships blowing up there is no EVE. I suspect the DEVs know this and so do many players. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
402
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:56:00 -
[89] - Quote
OP is making a mistake assuming other players wants to force their play style on to her. Or are you saying they force you to become a suicide ganker?
The reality is that you can play exactly how you want. You just have to accept the consequences of playing like that. So, if you want to play the hulk victim expect to be blown up frequently. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3644
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:23:00 -
[90] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: Why can't high sec be as awesome as low and null sec? It can be rewarding in a different way. There are many ways to reward players for their efforts.
Why not indeed? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Blobber NL
The Ultima Thule
9
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:26:00 -
[91] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:if EVE was a three sharded game themepark MMO this would be a valid argument, but alas it is a single shard highly competitive MMO so risk/reward balance considerations have to be made.
So wye there is a highsec where ppl actually can make 'safe' money if they want? (altough a lot slower)
Seems like you are talking crap. I agree whit the OP. Just a bunch of kiddo's in low/nulsec that are desperade for some noob targets it seems. But oh wel, thats nothing new here isnt it? |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
644
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:28:00 -
[92] - Quote
Blobber NL wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:if EVE was a three sharded game themepark MMO this would be a valid argument, but alas it is a single shard highly competitive MMO so risk/reward balance considerations have to be made. So wye there is a highsec where ppl actually can make 'safe' money if they want? (altough a lot slower) Seems like you are talking crap. I agree whit the OP. Just a bunch of kiddo's in low/nulsec that are desperade for some noob targets it seems. But oh wel, thats nothing new here isnt it? Dont get me wrong, im sure most ppl wil go to low/nul/wh space after a time in highsec, but some ppl just dont for a long time. So what? You want to cry? Its thier choice.
Yeah, makes sense, only part you got wrong is the fact that nobody cries about hisec. Except the hiseccers. ~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
Blobber NL
The Ultima Thule
9
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:34:00 -
[93] - Quote
Roime wrote:Blobber NL wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:if EVE was a three sharded game themepark MMO this would be a valid argument, but alas it is a single shard highly competitive MMO so risk/reward balance considerations have to be made. So wye there is a highsec where ppl actually can make 'safe' money if they want? (altough a lot slower) Seems like you are talking crap. I agree whit the OP. Just a bunch of kiddo's in low/nulsec that are desperade for some noob targets it seems. But oh wel, thats nothing new here isnt it? Dont get me wrong, im sure most ppl wil go to low/nul/wh space after a time in highsec, but some ppl just dont for a long time. So what? You want to cry? Its thier choice. Yeah, makes sense, only part you got wrong is the fact that nobody cries about hisec. Except the hiseccers.
I see anough low/null sec ppl crying on this forum about highsec. Every single day.
hulkgeddon, ok thats a good thing. Wil learn those mining upgrade hulks to tank. But too many times i see just fat nerdy 'pirates' cyring about highsec blablablabla.
It's making me a sad panda.. All those tears. (sarcasm, its makes me happy) |
Xavier Bandar
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:51:00 -
[94] - Quote
Blobber NL wrote:Dont get me wrong, im sure most ppl wil go to low/nul/wh space after a time in highsec, but some ppl just dont for a long time. So what? You want to cry? Its thier choice.
Yep, and other people can choose to come over to Hi-Sec and blow some ships up. That's their choice and they continue to do so even as CCP makes the consequences of that choice harsher and harsher due to the incessant whining of some Hi-Seccers.
But I've heard rumors that there is an actual PvE server in this game. I believe it's called SiSi.
PS: I live in hi-sec and have never ganked or griefed anyone. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
645
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:59:00 -
[95] - Quote
Blobber NL wrote:
I see anough low/null sec ppl crying on this forum about highsec. Every single day.
hulkgeddon, ok thats a good thing. Wil learn those mining upgrade hulks to tank. But too many times i see just fat nerdy 'pirates' cyring about highsec blablablabla.
It's making me a sad panda.. All those tears. (sarcasm, its makes me happy)
I spend a lot of time here and never see low/null people cry here. Can you provide an example?
Most common threads here are ****** qq threads provided by the hisec tinfoil crew. ~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
Blobber NL
The Ultima Thule
9
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:59:00 -
[96] - Quote
Xavier Bandar wrote:Blobber NL wrote:Dont get me wrong, im sure most ppl wil go to low/nul/wh space after a time in highsec, but some ppl just dont for a long time. So what? You want to cry? Its thier choice. Yep, and other people can choose to come over to Hi-Sec and blow some ships up. That's their choice and they continue to do so even as CCP makes the consequences of that choice harsher and harsher due to the incessant whining of some Hi-Seccers. But I've heard rumors that there is an actual PvE server in this game. I believe it's called SiSi. PS: I live in hi-sec and have never ganked or griefed anyone.
Ofcourse ppl can go to highsec and gank somebody, Thats not the point which i have a problem whit. Its more about the whiny piny ppl that want to force players to use thier playstyle only.
in a slightly different context i can link that to various historic people, wich i won't name^^ They just should **** themselves or something, idk. |
Xavier Bandar
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:09:00 -
[97] - Quote
Blobber NL wrote:Xavier Bandar wrote:Blobber NL wrote:Dont get me wrong, im sure most ppl wil go to low/nul/wh space after a time in highsec, but some ppl just dont for a long time. So what? You want to cry? Its thier choice. Yep, and other people can choose to come over to Hi-Sec and blow some ships up. That's their choice and they continue to do so even as CCP makes the consequences of that choice harsher and harsher due to the incessant whining of some Hi-Seccers. But I've heard rumors that there is an actual PvE server in this game. I believe it's called SiSi. PS: I live in hi-sec and have never ganked or griefed anyone. Ofcourse ppl can go to highsec and gank somebody, Thats not the point which i have a problem whit. Its more about the whiny piny ppl that want to force players to use thier playstyle only. in a slightly different context i can link that to various historic people, wich i won't name^^ They just should **** themselves or something, idk.
Because, as we all know, a certain German dictator wanted everyone to adopt his playstyle too. Analogy fail.
By the way, who are these people forcing others into their playstyle you keep mentioning? The only people is see whining on these forum are a bunch of hi-seccers who want hi-sec to become some kind of safe PvE server (mind you, most don't want an actual PvE because that would mean they wouldn't have anyone to sell their stuff to), and low/null-seccers who whine about the whiners.
Finally, it's kind of ironic that the hi-sec whiners are constantly talking about the sandbox. Missions provided by the game developer, protection provided by the developer, stations provided by the developer ... for a sandbox, there sure are a lot of toys in there. As I wrote, I currently live in hi-sec myself, but the sandbox-metaphor is often abused by the wrong group of people. |
Francisco Bizzaro
83
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:22:00 -
[98] - Quote
In all of this discussion of playstyle, does playing "smart" count as a style?
Because in a lot of cases that is all that is needed. Learn the tactics that keep you safe, and you will not have a problem with gankers. In fact, you will learn to thank gankers: they are giving you an advantage over those who fly "stupid".
In good games, success is determined by understanding the game and using that to your advantage. Why should hi-sec PVEers be exempt from that - why would they even want to be? |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression Dragoons.
159
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:36:00 -
[99] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec?
If this was wow, highsec would be the starter region where all mobs are lvl 1/2
By all means spend your entire eve time there but please don't ***** about how it's "not fair that you don't have x" "can't defeat Y" or "can't make enough isk" |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:12:00 -
[100] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec?
So you want to affect the world around you , but at the same time you want the world not to touch you back.
It doesnt work that way. EVE isn't sharded.
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Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:38:00 -
[101] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec? The whole time you wrote this the hypocrisy never dawned on you? Really?
- You're crying about other people's playstyles.
- Everything carebears do in high sec can still be done in low sec and 0.0. The same isn't true for high sec. It only takes away playstyles.
- My profession is sitting in a station ship spinning while I wait on skills. When I still had my old account it was piracy. Tell me how the existence of high sec isn't innately detrimental to my playstyle.
Hypocrisy aside, you crying like a ***** only encourages people to grief you more.
Lapine Davion wrote:Nothing is being forced on anyone else. IF those miners didn't agree to being ganked, they wouldn't have undocked. This is true. There are no safe zones in Eve. You knew nonconsensual PvP could happen anywhere. It's not like CCP hid that from you. If you didn't like it you should have signed up for WoW instead of going to a game with features you hate and complaining about your own actions. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
333
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:11:00 -
[102] - Quote
Why should anyone live in the Amazon rain forest and expect the hungry piranhas, poisonous snakes and venomous spiders to leave them alone? Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
138
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:23:00 -
[103] - Quote
Sri Nova wrote:Eve as envisioned by CCP had 3 distinct sectors high sec, low sec, and null sec.
high sec was the introduction to Eve, a place to learn the basics. Get the feel for combat, earn some isk, and move on to bigger an better adventures. Such as low sec where there was better loot to be found at the cost of higher risk.
For the truly adventurous they could move out to null and experience Eve at it fullest (live build and battle in player created empires) .
Unfortunately CCP erroneously made high sec a bit to comfy for those of us who love their space warm and squishy . They also neglected null sec to a certain extent and inadvertently created the high sec industrial block that we have now.
So at this point you have 2 major game mechanics created high sec and null sec . they both demand attention and ccp has to focus on both, thus low sec gets ignored and devolves into the anarchy that currently rules it.
So when you see people pushing one to play one style or another its stems from this basic flaw that effects eve.
High sec was never intended to become the center of eve.
The push to get one out of high sec and into null is the very core of eve .
With null and low sec comes the inevitable pvp mechanic , Highsec has become a way for people to avoid this intended aspect of eve (this was unintentional ) it was hoped that players would leave high sec, exploit low sec, engage in good fights, and carry on into null and build their empires pvp'ing all the way .
CCP and the player base underestimated the number of risk adverse players. When they all holed up in high sec it created a dilema for CCP and the players. CCP was left wondering and maintaining what to do with these people, and the player base was left wondering how the hell can i shoot them ?
and this is why you see the angst and the constant pushing to play one or the other . it could be argued( and it is constantly) that high sec is what broke eve .
And by "broke Eve" are you referring to the constantly climbing subscription rates? Barring the Incarna dip anyway. Telling someone playing a sandbox game that they're "playing with it wrong" entirely misses the point of a sandbox game, which is going out and doing your own thing.
The Jita Burn has proven that there's no particular difficulty in shooting people in highsec, if you're prepared to accept the consequences.
I think part of the difficulty is that everything in Eve revolves around ISK and killmails. Pvpers are willing to take a loss in ISK for a gain in killmails. Non-pvp players are not willing to take a loss in ISK because there's nothing on the other end to balance it out, barring the occasional adrenaline junkie who enjoys being chased but without being able to fight back.
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Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
138
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:36:00 -
[104] - Quote
Sri Nova wrote:
Not implying CCP remove highsec in my opinion high sec is great you can putter around, blow crap up, engage in sanctioned pvp, gank people, play the market, and spam local with trash talk. its freaking great .
what im trying to illuminate is that high sec was never intended to be awesome .
The very root of players(who are anti highsec) ideology is formed by the fact that those who remain in highsec are playing a pervision of ccp's orginal vision of eve.
thats is why players are trying to get you to change your play style .
You dont have to agree with it , just understand that your vision and their vision is going to differ, and this creates the conflict that this thread is about .
"You're playing with the sand wrong, stop that!" CCP had a vision for Eve. Players ended up creating their own experience. The playerbase grew. Better for CCP to roll with it than try whipping people into following their fixed idea of what Eve "should" be like.
I agree you can still see the original intent of CCP in the way that roids, rats and plexes get bigger and better the lower the security status of the system. That probably made more sense when lowsec wasn't full of roaming gangs of multiyear pvp veterans and hotdropping supercaps, and nullsec wasn't ruled by a few big powerblocks of thousands of players.
Look at how successful wormholes were. Because they offered a new space for people to expand into, a space that couldn't easily be blobbed by existing forces. |
Landrae
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
317
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:37:00 -
[105] - Quote
To answer the threads original question. Why does anyone do anything?
Because we can!
/thread Welcome to Eve Online |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
530
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:54:00 -
[106] - Quote
TL;DR: I want to play a different pretty spaceship game where death doesn't matter but that game doesn't really exist.
I pretend it does anyway and live in high-sec. Then I just use CCP as my pawns to make shinyhappyspaceshipland online and ***** when people who play the actual game do so in a way that violates my special pony. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
274
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Posted - 2012.05.04 14:00:00 -
[107] - Quote
Working as intended.
There are only degrees of safety; and the more you're willing to sacrifice your safety, the greater your potential rewards.
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SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
430
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Posted - 2012.05.04 14:22:00 -
[108] - Quote
Oh noes, someone killed me in Counterstrike while I was just destroy the map's objects, that's rude !
If you don't want to loose a ship, don't undock.
Some dudes will blow you up in highsec because it's funny to them. For absolutly no reason. And you can do things about it. One of them being "Not being there in the first place". |
Lyric Lahnder
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
37
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Posted - 2012.05.04 14:34:00 -
[109] - Quote
Sala. Technically if some one Ganks you in highsec and says they hate miners, as long you keep mining they havent "forced" a play style on you. Maybe they have forced a gameplay experience on you of being shot in the face, but since that can happen any where in the game its kind of a moot point
In the end this all comes down to choice. If you want to keep mining go ahead no one can force you to shoot another player, but that doesn't stop some one from ganking you in high sec.
It can be tough for some but thats just the nature of the beast.
Noir. and Noir Academy are recruiting apply at www.noirmercs.comI Noir Academy: 60 days old must be able to fly at least one tech II frigate. I Noir. Recruits: 4:1 k/d ratio and can fly tech II cruisers. |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
126
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:09:00 -
[110] - Quote
The same apologists making the same arguments for the same bullies in the fake sandbox. "Sure you can play your way till we force you not to." That's the sandbox. "This game is about space fights." Sure, mostly space fights against unarmed miners and noobs. "We're not being bullies, we're teaching you the real game, because when you mine you are playing the fake game." In other words, whatever you do in high sec, you are a tool. That's by design. That's what CCP wants. You're there to give the older players somebody to bully. Better off looking for another game. That's what I'm doing, while the clock winds down on my accounts. |
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Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
276
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:30:00 -
[111] - Quote
Ban Bindy wrote:The same apologists making the same arguments for the same bullies in the fake sandbox. "Sure you can play your way till we force you not to." That's the sandbox. "This game is about space fights." Sure, mostly space fights against unarmed miners and noobs. "We're not being bullies, we're teaching you the real game, because when you mine you are playing the fake game." In other words, whatever you do in high sec, you are a tool. That's by design. That's what CCP wants. You're there to give the older players somebody to bully. Better off looking for another game. That's what I'm doing, while the clock winds down on my accounts.
I'm sorry you can't handle losing space pixels in an internet space game. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1792
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Posted - 2012.05.04 16:55:00 -
[112] - Quote
Ban Bindy wrote:The same apologists making the same arguments for the same bullies in the fake sandbox. "Sure you can play your way till we force you not to." That's the sandbox. "This game is about space fights." Sure, mostly space fights against unarmed miners and noobs. "We're not being bullies, we're teaching you the real game, because when you mine you are playing the fake game." In other words, whatever you do in high sec, you are a tool. That's by design. That's what CCP wants. You're there to give the older players somebody to bully. Better off looking for another game. That's what I'm doing, while the clock winds down on my accounts.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in the EVE universe you need to be able to out sell, and/or out produce, and/or out fight, and/or out run, and/or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set as the rest of the player base.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
57
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:05:00 -
[113] - Quote
I do get tired of the "play style" argument.
Those of us who play the game as designed (ie going places and doing things to other people) are simply saying that those of you who hide in safety, who choose to solo in an MMO, who choose to never risk pvp in a pvp oriented game, should shut up about the lack of focus on the safest, easiet, most coddled sector of space in the game, that's all lol.
I appreciate the builders and miners and such of high sec who help our economey along, but the game is in null, in wormholes, in low sec. Don't get mad at us for telling you this truth. |
baltec1
1142
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:06:00 -
[114] - Quote
I do love irony and op gave me bukets of it. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:13:00 -
[115] - Quote
I wouldn't mind finding a corp in 0.0 but I'm not sure I'd get any takers when I'm going going to be able to put in an hour maybe two tops a day. |
Ancyker
Expletus Imperiosus Dominatus Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:19:00 -
[116] - Quote
Let me clarify some things:
Nullsec is not raging, we're laughing and enjoying ourselves and having an all around good time. Probably more than half the null gank fleets are drunk fleets. Threads like this one are one of the reasons we do what we do.
We do have fights in null. We fight daily, many times and kill a lot more than just hulks.
A lot of people gank during Hulkageddon. Some for the prizes, some just because whatever alliance or corp they are in told them to, some for other reasons.
I gank because I want to. I ganked when I lived in highsec. I ganked when I lived in lowsec. I live in nullsec now and I still gank.
Why do I gank? It's fun. I gank year round. Hulkageddon or not, it's fun so I do it. It's how I choose to play the game.
I find this all hilarious :)
So just HTFU or rage quit, it's all cool bro. |
Crunchmeister
THORN Syndicate THORN Alliance
254
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:25:00 -
[117] - Quote
Well, what if my playstyle revolves around baiting then ganking mission runners? You're now trying to force your play style on me by saying I can't do that.
Can't handle that New Eden is a harsh, difficult place? Go play WoW on the PvE servers. I know the voices in my head aren't real, but they have some really great ideas sometimes. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
277
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:37:00 -
[118] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:I wouldn't mind finding a corp in 0.0 but I'm not sure I'd get any takers when I'm going going to be able to put in an hour maybe two tops a day.
lol
that's tons, bro.
I think the biggest cancer in the game is the guys who hang out in the npc corps for their entire eve career spreading straight-up uninformed bs like this to every new person joining the game
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Bane Necran
457
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:38:00 -
[119] - Quote
0.0 people seem to be obsessed with hisec, and are always pushing for nerfs and changes to it. Blaming everything on those damned 'hisec carebears'. Hisec people, on the other hand, rarely think of 0.0.
Also. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
241
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:55:00 -
[120] - Quote
Allahu akbar |
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SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
431
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:55:00 -
[121] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Hisec people, on the other hand, rarely think of 0.0.
That's not because they don't give a ****. That's because they either fear it or don't know anything about it.
Ignorance.
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Cristian Zabala
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:59:00 -
[122] - Quote
mad cus bad. |
Bane Necran
457
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:01:00 -
[123] - Quote
SMT008 wrote:That's because they either fear it or don't know anything about it.
Many hisec people actually dream of moving there someday. They just never get the chance, or the thousands of members it takes to claim one system. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
terrly bronks
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:04:00 -
[124] - Quote
sorry that guys is a joke with words lol
why bounty on miners
why not bounty on mission runners???
why not bounty on battle ships
why not bounty on frigs
burn jita was great but why not a month long burn Jita
you see where this is going....????
why are miners soloed out each year and yet others are left alone empire has a lot more than just miners you know
anyhow ganking in hi-sec is a joke and I just don't see the fun in blowing up a ship that can't shoot back...... ok drones but still they to weak to do any real damage fast
oh and all five of my miners are tanked all the time have not lost one yet me 20 gankers 0 |
bliz80
East India Ore Trade Apocalypse Now.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:13:00 -
[125] - Quote
space is dangerous, end of story. If you cant deal with that then you're in the wrong space. |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:17:00 -
[126] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: Why can't high sec be as awesome as low and null sec? It can be rewarding in a different way. There are many ways to reward players for their efforts.
Why not indeed?
This is a good start and CCP should really take note. I applaud you Malcanis - well done.
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Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:50:00 -
[127] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Malcanis wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: Why can't high sec be as awesome as low and null sec? It can be rewarding in a different way. There are many ways to reward players for their efforts.
Why not indeed? This is a good start and CCP should really take note. I applaud you Malcanis - well done.
Wow, Malcanis really gets it. Highsec isn't just the starter zone for newbies anymore, its performing many more useful functions. For anyone who read the manifesto, I'm in the "casual" and "independent" brackets.
Currently there's three particularly atttractive bits of what Malcanis calls "high risk, high reward" gameplay accessible from highsec. -popping into a highsec wormhole to tackle some C1 or C2 sleeper sites. Sadly now that I've "outgrown" battlecruisers in favour of battleships and strat cruisers, and started using +4 implants regularly, the risk/reward ratio doesn't really work out anymore. Also the randomness of trying to find a wormhole that leads into a C1/C2 site that isn't also occupied can be frustrating. -doing the lowsec endpoint of highsec escalations. The good odds of getting shiny deadspace loot are enough to get me into a cheap cruiser or BC and go for them. And due to lowsec mechanics I'm not too concerned about implant losses. Sadly these escalations are even rarer than the wormholes. -the compulsory lowsec part of the Caldari epic arc. Again, the nice reward at the end and the fact that they could be done in a cheap ship made me just go and do it. If I couple do similar level 4s in those kinds of ships, I'd totally give them a go. Sadly, there's a 3 month time limit on the arcs.
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Meat Explosion
Waffles and Sin
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 19:01:00 -
[128] - Quote
Because this annoying thread exists, I shall kill a miner in OP's honor. YOU SEE WHAT YOU MADE ME DO!!!!!! |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2012.05.04 19:19:00 -
[129] - Quote
Meat Explosion wrote:Because this annoying thread exists, I shall kill a miner in OP's honor. YOU SEE WHAT YOU MADE ME DO!!!!!!
I shall make a toast in your honor brave soul. |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
990
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Posted - 2012.05.04 19:23:00 -
[130] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:It is so funny because most of the whining on these boards seem to come from the people in null and low sec that can't stand that fact that their are, "shock", people that don't want to have crap to do with null or low sec space and the BS that takes place their.
Please learn the difference between There, Their, and They're.
Thanks. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
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Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2012.05.04 19:53:00 -
[131] - Quote
Xolve wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:It is so funny because most of the whining on these boards seem to come from the people in null and low sec that can't stand that fact that their are, "shock", people that don't want to have crap to do with null or low sec space and the BS that takes place their. Please learn the difference between There, Their, and They're. Thanks.
OMG it is(sorry - was) like 2 am when I posted that...don't be so anal. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
423
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Posted - 2012.05.04 19:54:00 -
[132] - Quote
Why do you want to force your playstyle on us? |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
612
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Posted - 2012.05.04 19:54:00 -
[133] - Quote
SMT008 wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Hisec people, on the other hand, rarely think of 0.0.
That's not because they don't give a ****. That's because they either fear it or don't know anything about it. Ignorance.
so wouldn't it be awesome if FW was a safe way to learn 0.0 warfare in a safe setting that gives you bonuses and NPC run events. I know it's not as sandbox open as real 0.0, but I think a lot of people that got in FW back when it came out, they didn't go back to highsec, they left for real alliances and 0.0 warfare. I think FW alone got at least 8000 new players into 0.0 for what it's wroth. |
Alotta Cleavage
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.05.04 20:08:00 -
[134] - Quote
Nerds bullied IRL can now be the bullies. |
Wu Jiaqiu
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.04 20:27:00 -
[135] - Quote
What if my playstyle is killing people who don't want to PvP? |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
126
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Posted - 2012.05.04 20:31:00 -
[136] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec?
Hate to say it, but it sounds like you want to force people to play EVE with your playing style.... Which makes you just as bad as the people your flaming....
And I wonder how many people have put out locators on you by now.... Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
612
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Posted - 2012.05.04 20:39:00 -
[137] - Quote
Alotta Cleavage wrote:Nerds bullied IRL can now be the bullies.
Right, which lets people like me be in anti-pirate corps. We fight pirates. You can't kill just one part of eve without effecting lots of other peoples way they choose to play eve as well. |
Jonah Gravenstein
277
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Posted - 2012.05.04 21:00:00 -
[138] - Quote
Why force your play style on others?
Because the game allows it, without the differing playstyles and aims of players in null, low and highsec Eve would become a giant snoozefest, PvP players inflicting death and destruction on PvE players & PvE players inflicting economic "warfare" on everybody else are what makes Eve the fantastic game that it is.
As a self confessed highsec carebear I appreciate the risks that come from PvP players, they are the spice of life, without them carebearing would be an endless boring grind, as it is you take a risk (albeit fairly minimal most of the time)every time you undock, whether it be by war decs or some nutter in a suicide alpha boat that just fancies making you explode and capturing any subsequent chat logs for lols, but without this I wouldn't play, it'd be boring. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Dradius Calvantia
Creative Cookie Procuring Veto Corp
260
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Posted - 2012.05.04 21:10:00 -
[139] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec?
1. I do not know why you care-bears keep stating that "most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec." I am assuming it is because the average population density shows 70% of the character distribution in high sec and you are making the leap to thinking that means that all of those players are care-bears. The vast majority of them are null/low secers alts or industrialist characters who are very much involved in what goes on there. Unfortunately, CCP has provided an area of the game where production and isk making actives can be carried out with no risk, so that is where people go to do those things.
2. If you are allowed to grind isk risk free in high sec, that means that all of us who actually play the game have to put more time into grinding isk as well to afford inflated prices. I choose to take a preventative stance on the matter instead.
TL:DR Quit forcing me to play your game by grind isk faucets and causing inflation. |
Sid Hudgens
59
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Posted - 2012.05.05 00:49:00 -
[140] - Quote
If anything, we should have more options to force our play-style on others. Or, rather, there should be parity in forcing playstyle on others.
See this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=103333 "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced."
This post has been brought to you by an NPC corp alt. |
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Son IamaDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.05.05 00:52:00 -
[141] - Quote
Why not for your playstyle on others. It's a sandbox after all. Sandboxs needs to have someone building their lovely sandcastles up and when all is well, it needs someone to come along to kick it down. |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
33
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Posted - 2012.05.05 01:25:00 -
[142] - Quote
+1 For OP, actualy 90% topic looks like (we living in 0.0 space) and you are empie scum etc) join us dont be stupid we tell you how to play we know what is good for you and you are 100% wrong, join us and start train awesome dreadnoughts! because they so cool ;) while some people love alarm cloks, CTA, blobs, roams, pos bashing and kb stats farming, other hate this part.
People should try pvp in large or small scale but dont force them to play like you want. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
531
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:45:00 -
[143] - Quote
Cloned S0ul wrote:+1 For OP, actualy 90% topic looks like (we living in 0.0 space) and you are empie scum etc) join us dont be stupid we tell you how to play we know what is good for you and you are 100% wrong, join us and start train awesome dreadnoughts! because they so cool ;) while some people love alarm cloks, CTA, blobs, roams, pos bashing and kb stats farming, other hate this part.
People should try pvp in large or small scale but dont force them to play like you want. What does this mean? Even if I suicide you, you haven't been forced into anything. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
382
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:50:00 -
[144] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:Cloned S0ul wrote:+1 For OP, actualy 90% topic looks like (we living in 0.0 space) and you are empie scum etc) join us dont be stupid we tell you how to play we know what is good for you and you are 100% wrong, join us and start train awesome dreadnoughts! because they so cool ;) while some people love alarm cloks, CTA, blobs, roams, pos bashing and kb stats farming, other hate this part.
People should try pvp in large or small scale but dont force them to play like you want. What does this mean? Even if I suicide you, you haven't been forced into anything.
She's rather been forced out of something.
Heh. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
531
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:54:00 -
[145] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Cloned S0ul wrote:+1 For OP, actualy 90% topic looks like (we living in 0.0 space) and you are empie scum etc) join us dont be stupid we tell you how to play we know what is good for you and you are 100% wrong, join us and start train awesome dreadnoughts! because they so cool ;) while some people love alarm cloks, CTA, blobs, roams, pos bashing and kb stats farming, other hate this part.
People should try pvp in large or small scale but dont force them to play like you want. What does this mean? Even if I suicide you, you haven't been forced into anything. She's rather been forced out of something. Heh. On a fleet op right now.
Nearly spit coke on the monitor.
How inconvenient would that have been?!?
+1! He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
ohno riceagain
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.05.05 03:11:00 -
[146] - Quote
I'm mad bro, I'm mad that you cant see the errors of your lawless ways
I like hi sec
I dont like low sec/null sec
I mine, and I mission run in safeness
Me has fat wallet
You don't like way we do this, then you leave low sec and come hi sec and play safeness too (long time).
We welcome all of our low sec brethern that hate their souless lives that serve no purpose in low sec other than too assuage CCP tools to make roids better in low sec.
james 315? another tool of the CCP machine to convince you that low sec is the place to be.
really? look at the numbers. if 70% of the player base is in hi sec, why the baseless attempt by CCP to move peeps to low sec?
If that's where the fun and profits were, don't you think we would already be there?
Us hi seccers are nerds and tools yes, but we ARE EVE.
Low sec is the flushed garbage that cant socialize with the rest of the universe
You have been cast out to the depths of space to flail away at each other in a useless attempt to redeem yourselves.
Come back to the light, mine with us, manufacture with us, get passive income with us and have CCP GOONwave give you glorious attention.
Its evident that we ARE EVE in that CCP pays so much attention to us.
Mom never loved me like this....
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
167
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Posted - 2012.05.05 05:45:00 -
[147] - Quote
Most Null Bear smack talk is compensating. They need to justify all the time they sunk building a Dot map on a web site. Considering we really don't give twoshits and never go there, they need to come out to us to strut their napkin filled trainer bra's.
I've spent time in all 'Sec' levels of EVE and the only difference is in the bills. .aka how much time you are forced to PvE to keep it going. |
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
391
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Posted - 2012.05.05 05:50:00 -
[148] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:You fly in low and null sec that is the risk you as the player wished to make- you chose to do it, nobody twisted your arm. So stop trying to twist others arms because you chose a different play style.
The fun of the game is to twist other people's arms. It is to create and build power, and then use it to destroy others. The fact that effort and ability are rewarded while stagnation is punished is what is appealing about the game.
It is also hypocritical of you to tell others not to force their playstyle on people while you are telling them their playstyle of exploding people in highsec is not valid. I agree no one should force their playstyle. They are doing their thing, do not complain if it happens to interact with yours. Ferox #1 |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.05.05 06:11:00 -
[149] - Quote
ohno riceagain wrote:I'm mad bro, I'm mad that you cant see the errors of your lawless ways
I like hi sec
I dont like low sec/null sec
I mine, and I mission run in safeness
Me has fat wallet
You don't like way we do this, then you leave low sec and come hi sec and play safeness too (long time).
We welcome all of our low sec brethern that hate their souless lives that serve no purpose in low sec other than too assuage CCP tools to make roids better in low sec.
james 315? another tool of the CCP machine to convince you that low sec is the place to be.
really? look at the numbers. if 70% of the player base is in hi sec, why the baseless attempt by CCP to move peeps to low sec?
If that's where the fun and profits were, don't you think we would already be there?
Us hi seccers are nerds and tools yes, but we ARE EVE.
Low sec is the flushed garbage that cant socialize with the rest of the universe
You have been cast out to the depths of space to flail away at each other in a useless attempt to redeem yourselves.
Come back to the light, mine with us, manufacture with us, get passive income with us and have CCP GOONwave give you glorious attention.
Its evident that we ARE EVE in that CCP pays so much attention to us.
Mom never loved me like this....
heh you thought your post was so good you had to make a locked thread about it? idiot |
Freggan
Nexus Ore Technologies and Excavations Surely You're Joking
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 08:01:00 -
[150] - Quote
The OP only went half way to being right, who gives a @#$% about your style of play but you have to understand, many styles and many interests reside in the same place and they even overlap!!!! Its perfectly natural.....just like its natural to wish there was a button in eve that deletes the wining pvpers who come at a mining ship guns a blazing....curses the mining ship for being week and how they must be cowardly because they were just snuck up on and more than likely after alot of study by the pvpers to make sure no friends/corp mates are in local.... get my picture? If anyone wanted to pvp its only natural, just why are there so many that seem like they would be using cubes of painted wood to build little towers if they were not playing eve?
P.s. I have been destroyed in null sec by a group of players when i went scanning their territories, i even left their territories with more ships than I went in with :P. Was so very exciting. Especially the part where they said "good fight" in local. |
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Corny Flakes
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.05 09:14:00 -
[151] - Quote
A logical reason besides the generall lust to destroy is profits.
1)Marketmanipulation: By keeping miners from mining certain minerals or ice or whatnot, big alliances & corps can make A LOT of money. It also increases the cost of dem mining ships, so if you know something big is going to happen like lets say Hulkageddon you can make some nice profit building, buying and selling dem minerships or certain minerals and lots of other stuff at the right time.
The fact that highsec mining 'potentially' influences the profit of corps and alliances in many ways makes them a target. This is part of the sandbox system. You may not like it but you influence mineral prices, thus have impact on every single player in the game which in turn they may not like or abuse to increase their wealth.
2) It can be extremely profitable suiciding miners if you know what you are dooing.
The reason for this is that great numbers of miners are not hard to find in highsec. They are not prepared for an attack, they don't expect trouble and they fly ships worth gold sometimes. This makes them much easier prey than low or nullsec miners who may have friends waiting to kill you or may even react fast enough to survive and in addition are not as easy to find. |
betoli
Morior Invictus. Ethereal Dawn
22
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Posted - 2012.05.05 09:59:00 -
[152] - Quote
Its not a question of whether peoples play style should be protected, its a question of whether the risk/reward of certain play styles is imbalanced.
Personally I think miners have some imbalance as compared to mission runners - we have not seen a mission-runner-geddon have we? Why is that? Could it be that missioning platforms (cheaper than hulks) are extremely hard to gank, whilst delivering greater rewards (current mineral price changes asside) from a non-market driven isk faucet? Why are highsec mission runners so confident of undocking in 2 billion faction fit ships - they get 24 hour notice before anyone can kersplode them - in contrast a hulk miner gets about 5 seconds.
All game play styles should have similar risk/reward balance. No one should be immune, but everyone should have a level playing field. |
Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2012.05.05 10:12:00 -
[153] - Quote
The reason is: It forces interaction between players. Im told this is a good thing. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
148
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:49:00 -
[154] - Quote
betoli wrote:Its not a question of whether peoples play style should be protected, its a question of whether the risk/reward of certain play styles is imbalanced.
Personally I think miners have some imbalance as compared to mission runners - we have not seen a mission-runner-geddon have we? Why is that? Could it be that missioning platforms (cheaper than hulks) are extremely hard to gank, whilst delivering greater rewards (current mineral price changes asside) from a non-market driven isk faucet? Why are highsec mission runners so confident of undocking in 2 billion faction fit ships - they get 24 hour notice before anyone can kersplode them - in contrast a hulk miner gets about 5 seconds.
I'm sure you could kill a 2 billion faction fit ship if you attacked at the right time. They won't necessarily be fit for that much tank if they're made for earning ISK. But that would require more planning and effort. Ganking hulks is way easier.
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Meat Explosion
Waffles and Sin
1
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:35:00 -
[155] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Meat Explosion wrote:Because this annoying thread exists, I shall kill a miner in OP's honor. YOU SEE WHAT YOU MADE ME DO!!!!!! I shall make a toast in your honor brave soul.
Because I am a man of my word:
shooty
Why do you make me do these things? I dont like to listen to the voices in my head. They tell me to kill miners, but I resist. WHY DO YOU MAKE ME DO THESE THINGS???
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6416
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:41:00 -
[156] - Quote
ohno riceagain wrote:really? look at the numbers. if 70% of the player base is in hi sec, why the baseless attempt by CCP to move peeps to low sec? Because the numbers don't show that 70% of the player base is in highsec. They show that 70% of the characters are in highsec, which can quite easily be interpreted as only 30-40% of the players being in highsec. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Bane Necran
459
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:45:00 -
[157] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Because the numbers don't show that 70% of the player base is in highsec. They show that 70% of the characters are in highsec, which can quite easily be interpreted as only 30-40% of the players being in highsec.
Travel through hisec and every system is full of people. Travel through 0.0 and it's largely empty.
Can't explain that.
Oh, wait, you can. Most of the players are in hisec. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4036
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:46:00 -
[158] - Quote
betoli wrote:missioning platforms (cheaper than hulks) [...] undocking in 2 billion faction fit ships
tell me all about 2bn hulks "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4038
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:47:00 -
[159] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Tippia wrote:Because the numbers don't show that 70% of the player base is in highsec. They show that 70% of the characters are in highsec, which can quite easily be interpreted as only 30-40% of the players being in highsec. Travel through hisec and every system is full of people. Travel through 0.0 and it's largely empty. Can't explain that. Oh, wait, you can. Most of the players are in hisec.
I've seen much larger numbers in local channels in 0.0 than in Jita. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Bane Necran
459
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:48:00 -
[160] - Quote
Andski wrote:I've seen much larger numbers in local channels in 0.0 than in Jita.
Sure, for the occasional blob war. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6416
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:50:00 -
[161] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Travel through hisec and every system is full of people. Travel through 0.0 and it's largely empty.
Can't explain that. Let me tell you about something called GǣdensityGǥ and how it relates to available volumeGǪ
Either way, it doesn't change the fact that the numbers do not say that there are more players in highsec. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4038
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:58:00 -
[162] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Andski wrote:I've seen much larger numbers in local channels in 0.0 than in Jita. Sure, for the occasional blob war.
Yeah, you know, huge fights. User-generated content. No big deal, it's just 0.0 blobwar. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Bane Necran
459
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:00:00 -
[163] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Let me tell you about something called GÇ£densityGÇ¥ and how it relates to available volume.
Shame there are no specific numbers of 0.0 systems and hisec systems, to draw such a conclusion from. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
621
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:01:00 -
[164] - Quote
Andski wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Andski wrote:I've seen much larger numbers in local channels in 0.0 than in Jita. Sure, for the occasional blob war. Yeah, you know, huge fights. User-generated content. No big deal, it's just 0.0 blobwar.
You just blew my mind. I played chess earlier today with a friend, guess we generated a lot of content as well. \o/ I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
531
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:10:00 -
[165] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Andski wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Andski wrote:I've seen much larger numbers in local channels in 0.0 than in Jita. Sure, for the occasional blob war. Yeah, you know, huge fights. User-generated content. No big deal, it's just 0.0 blobwar. You just blew my mind. I played chess earlier today with a friend, guess we generated a lot of content as well. \o/ No you didn't.
All the chess pieces still existed after the "fight."
You generated nothing but carbon dioxide and heat. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6416
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:10:00 -
[166] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Shame there are no specific numbers of 0.0 systems and hisec systems, to draw such a conclusion from. Exactly, so thus we arrive at the original conclusion: the numbers do not say that there are more players in highsec. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Bane Necran
459
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:12:00 -
[167] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Shame there are no specific numbers of 0.0 systems and hisec systems, to draw such a conclusion from. Exactly, so thus we arrive at the original conclusion: the numbers do not say that there are more players in highsec.
The burden of proof is on you, for saying there are more 0.0 systems than hisec systems.
"It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
531
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:19:00 -
[168] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Tippia wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Shame there are no specific numbers of 0.0 systems and hisec systems, to draw such a conclusion from. Exactly, so thus we arrive at the original conclusion: the numbers do not say that there are more players in highsec. The burden of proof is on you, for saying there are more 0.0 systems than hisec systems. You are unable to open the map? Proof positive. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6416
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:24:00 -
[169] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:The burden of proof is on you, for saying there are more 0.0 systems than hisec systems. Ok, setting aside for a second that nothing of the kind was said and the absolutely absurdity of asking proof for something that has been known since 2003 and which is proven by the client and by the wiki and site like dotlan andGǪ well every source on the matter available.
High sec: 1090 Low sec: 817 Nullsec: 6023 (of which 2499 are w-space).
Go count them. Not that it matters, because the fact remains the same: the numbers do not say that there are more players in highsec. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Bane Necran
459
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:49:00 -
[170] - Quote
Sources? "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
531
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:52:00 -
[171] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Sources? The ******* map? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Bane Necran
459
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:57:00 -
[172] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Sources? The ******* map?
I'm just trying to ensure it's accurate.
Even if it's roughly 3500 in 0.0 to 1000 in hisec, 0.0 still wouldn't look as dense as hisec if all those people were packed into 1000 systems. 0.0 is absolutely barren. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1436
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:18:00 -
[173] - Quote
I tend to think it's RL politics: people are so used to using government decrees and laws to screw people they don't like while trying to benefit themselves, they bring it into MMOs. Don't like something? Get the rules changed. Can't compete? Get laws passed. Somebody having too much fun? Well, "there should be a law!!!".
This is why I hope for a global libertarian revolution that topples all governments. And do you know what we are going to do to all of you when we accomplish this?
We're going to leave you alone.
And maybe after a few years of being left alone and not having to worry about someone else using weaponized democracy to take your stuff or tell you how to live, people would be more inclined to simply enjoy a MMO instead of trying to change it.
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Digital Messiah
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
208
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:21:00 -
[174] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:You fly in low and null sec that is the risk you as the player wished to make- you chose to do it, nobody twisted your arm. So stop trying to twist others arms because you chose a different play style. Concord is a buffer of safety. It is not a net. There is no such thing as griefing in EVE online. And that play style you are saying is forced on you is the play style that has always been here. Just because everyone doesn't experience it all the time doesn't mean it isn't a constant.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=105069 "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
590
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:21:00 -
[175] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I tend to think it's RL politics: people are so used to using government decrees and laws to screw people they don't like while trying to benefit themselves, they bring it into MMOs. Don't like something? Get the rules changed. Can't compete? Get laws passed. Somebody having too much fun? Well, "there should be a law!!!".
This is why I hope for a global libertarian revolution that topples all governments. And do you know what we are going to do to all of you when we accomplish this?
We're going to leave you alone.
And maybe after a few years of being left alone and not having to worry about someone else using weaponized democracy to take your stuff or tell you how to live, people would be more inclined to simply enjoy a MMO instead of trying to change it. Make sure your political commissariat is able to "neutralize" anyone that might be engaging in "weaponized democracy". Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6418
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:23:00 -
[176] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Sources? Download the data dump and do an SQL count for each sec level.
Quote:Even if it's roughly 3500 in 0.0 to 1000 in hisec, 0.0 still wouldn't look as dense as hisec if all those people were packed into 1000 systems. 0.0 is absolutely barren. GǪwhich still doesn't change the fact that the numbers do not show that most people are in highsec. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Bane Necran
459
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:37:00 -
[177] - Quote
Tippia wrote:which still doesn't change the fact that the numbers do not show that most people are in highsec.
But it's like arguing that in the absence of actual numbers, there are more people in Russia than the US just because it's larger.
Thankfully, we have very accurate populations for each, and you can't say many people in the US are alts of Russians.
Or, are they "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6418
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:39:00 -
[178] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:But it's like arguing that in the absence of actual numbers, there are more people in Russia than the US just because it's larger. No, it's like arguing that just because you see people in highsec system doesn't mean the numbers show that there are more people in highsec.
GǪbecause the simple fact of the matter is that they don't.
Quote:Thankfully, we have very accurate populations for each GǪand unfortunately, we don't have any accurate player population numbers for the various sec levels. In fact, we don't even have inaccurate numbers. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Bane Necran
459
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:44:00 -
[179] - Quote
If complete uncertainty is now your goal, instead of proving there are more people in 0.0 who are just spread out, like you originally said, i'll consider that a victory. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6418
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:48:00 -
[180] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:If complete uncertainty is now your goal, instead of proving there are more people in 0.0 who are just spread out, like you originally said, i'll consider that a victory. GǪexcept of course that it was the uncertainty part that was said originally. You're confusing me with you GÇö you were the one brought density into the discussion. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
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Bane Necran
459
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:54:00 -
[181] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Bane Necran wrote:If complete uncertainty is now your goal, instead of proving there are more people in 0.0 who are just spread out, like you originally said, i'll consider that a victory. GǪexcept of course that it was the uncertainty part that was said originally. You're confusing me with you GÇö you were the one brought density into the discussion.
You know that's not true. Just let it go.
Everyone is wrong sometimes, and no one believes in all the years you've been posting you were never wrong once. They just think you're stubborn. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6418
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:58:00 -
[182] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:You know that's not true. Which part? The fact that the numbers don't show that there are more players in highsec, or the fact that this uncertainty was what I originally said before you objected by introducing an argument based on density?
No, they're both true. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2012.05.05 19:00:00 -
[183] - Quote
btw Tippia go rant more on your blog. you've not posted for a fair while
I'm currently trying out that skill plan although I'm probably too obsessed with evemon now.... |
Plekto
Aliastra Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.05.05 19:01:00 -
[184] - Quote
To the original poster:
Let's use a real-life example.
Freedom of speech is not freedom FROM speech.
If the creators grant everyone the same rights to do whatever they want in a game, then it is up to you to remove yourself from the situation if you find it to be annoying. It is not your place to tell the other person that they should shut up. You remind me of the type of person who walks into a room and then starts telling people to be quiet because you can't think.
Um.. How about going outside and not ruining the party? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6418
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Posted - 2012.05.05 19:05:00 -
[185] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:btw Tippia go rant more on your blog. you've not posted for a fair while I'll probably write something about the unified inventory once I've gathered enough thoughts and tested it a bit moreGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Bane Necran
459
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Posted - 2012.05.05 19:58:00 -
[186] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Bane Necran wrote:You know that's not true. Which part? The fact that the numbers don't show that there are more players in highsec, or the fact that this uncertainty was what I originally said before you objected by introducing an argument based on density? No, they're both true.
I first said population differences are evident by just traveling through both hisec and 0.0, to which you said it just seems that way due to there being less hisec systems so the populations are more dense there. Then we argued about that for a page.
And you're just going to keep on twisting things, and making it into a battle of attrition. Like you always do. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6421
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Posted - 2012.05.05 21:36:00 -
[187] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:I first said population differences are evident by just traveling through both hisec and 0.0 GǪin other words, you made a comment about density in response to my comment that there was no certainty about how many players are in highsec (or anywhere else for that matter).
Quote:I'm already sick of trying to be rational with you. You should try harder GÇö it's not as difficult to be rational as you make it out to be. For instance, you could start by not arguing against facts the way you've been doing, because that's not particularly rational at allGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
93
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Posted - 2012.05.05 21:43:00 -
[188] - Quote
One thing the up doesn't seem to grasp is that some if the issue has nothing to do with play style, but rather the mmo you picked.
Eve is not hello kitty, eve is not WoW, eve is not guild wars. Those other games have a fundamental premise of, if you do not want to fight others, you do not have to. Even guild wars which focus on pvp has a latge pve content you coukd focus one.
Eve is different. Eve represents a harsh, hostile world. The main theme is conflict. There is conflict in nul,low, and hi sec. Even rhw market, as player driven is conflict. There is a chance your mining ship will get attacked. Therevisca chance my mission ship will be killed. It doesn't matter what sec, it is what happens. And truthfully, it is what the op and the rest of us signed up for.
So yes, we all get to play our own way and our own style. However, that is confined by the game itself. You chose to play a harsh and hostile game. If your play style is to be ignorant of this fact, don't expect this hostile world to let you bask in the glory of that. The rest of the players and the nature of the game will see to that.
Short form: You signed up for eve, deal with it or else hello kitty is that way: WWW.hellokitty.com.
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Bane Necran
459
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Posted - 2012.05.05 21:47:00 -
[189] - Quote
You keep quoting things out of context intentionally, trying to put words in my mouth, and are blatantly trying to twist and manipulate things.
Those tactics may work on the dumbest people, but they don't matter. You're only good at sounding right, not being right. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Astrid Stjerna
Underking Family
663
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Posted - 2012.05.05 22:12:00 -
[190] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:if EVE was a three sharded game themepark MMO this would be a valid argument, but alas it is a single shard highly competitive MMO so risk/reward balance considerations have to be made.
I think the bulk of the argument is that many null and low-sec players consider highsec to be 'not EvE'. That is, they see nullsec as the entirety of EvE, and (with some exceptions) tend to look down their noses at people that choose to confine themselves to highsec space.
I'm not saying that risk vs. reward shouldn't be a consideration. EvE is, as has been stated, a 'harsh and hostile environment'. When you move beyond the matter of design, though, there's a growing sense of entitlement -- 'everyone must play the game my way because my way is the only real way to play'.
Unfortunately, this attitude isn't confined entirely to nullsec players, but they are the majority. I can't get rid of my darn signature!-á Oh, wait.... |
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Stetson Eagle
ROC Academy The ROC
24
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Posted - 2012.05.05 22:32:00 -
[191] - Quote
I merely want you to see the light in my playstyle - this will make you a better player and a better person in general when you abandon your old beliefs and mediocrity. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6422
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Posted - 2012.05.05 22:37:00 -
[192] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:You keep quoting things out of context intentionally No, I just cut your quotes short to answer specific points or to reduce the irrelevant rambling.
Quote:trying to put words in my mouth, and are blatantly trying to twist and manipulate things. You're confusing me with you again, since you're the one trying to change the order in which things were stated and assigning your arguments to me.
Quote:You're only good at sounding right, not being right. Good thing, then, that I happen to be right too: that the numbers do not show that there are more people in highsecGǪ you know, that whole uncertainty thing I said at the beginning before you injected your density argument.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
610
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Posted - 2012.05.06 00:03:00 -
[193] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec?
Hey ****tard, wake up. It is called "high security space" not "absolute security space." If you seriously want a place to go hide and cry where you can't be hurt by anyone, there's this no-PvP zone in EVE. It's called a NPC station.
And if you can't handle that EVE is inherently, by nature a PvP game, in every aspect of the game, give me your stuff and biomass. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
623
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Posted - 2012.05.06 00:06:00 -
[194] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Bane Necran wrote:You keep quoting things out of context intentionally No, I just cut your quotes short to answer specific points or to reduce the irrelevant rambling. Quote:trying to put words in my mouth, and are blatantly trying to twist and manipulate things. You're confusing me with you again, since you're the one trying to change the order in which things were stated and assigning your arguments to me. Quote:You're only good at sounding right, not being right. Good thing, then, that I happen to be right too: that the numbers do not show that there are more people in highsecGǪ you know, that whole uncertainty thing I said at the beginning before you injected your density argument.
When tippia and mothermoon agree on something, it's time to stop trying to convince people your right |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3849
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Posted - 2012.05.06 00:23:00 -
[195] - Quote
Nobody Forced you to log on.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
105
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Posted - 2012.05.06 00:47:00 -
[196] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec?
some peoples play style is to force others to play they way they want them to.... [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
XIRUSPHERE
Deadly Intent. Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
278
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Posted - 2012.05.06 00:53:00 -
[197] - Quote
Non-consensual best consensual. The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.
One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1437
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Posted - 2012.05.06 00:57:00 -
[198] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I tend to think it's RL politics: people are so used to using government decrees and laws to screw people they don't like while trying to benefit themselves, they bring it into MMOs. Don't like something? Get the rules changed. Can't compete? Get laws passed. Somebody having too much fun? Well, "there should be a law!!!".
This is why I hope for a global libertarian revolution that topples all governments. And do you know what we are going to do to all of you when we accomplish this?
We're going to leave you alone.
And maybe after a few years of being left alone and not having to worry about someone else using weaponized democracy to take your stuff or tell you how to live, people would be more inclined to simply enjoy a MMO instead of trying to change it. Make sure your political commissariat is able to "neutralize" anyone that might be engaging in "weaponized democracy".
No need for that. Everybody gets a rifle and a right to shoot anybody who infringes on them. If you don't like that, then don't be a hypocrite and put weapons modules on your ships.
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
386
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Posted - 2012.05.06 02:41:00 -
[199] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:...i...a...m...blatantly trying to twist and manipulate things.
Those tactics may work on...m...e...
Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Amitious Turkey
The Scope Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.05.06 02:51:00 -
[200] - Quote
Hi, welcome to Eve. Now GTFO, and leave your women and goats. I like to lick things.
Haunting the forums since 03. |
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Polly Oxford
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.05.06 03:59:00 -
[201] - Quote
XIRUSPHERE wrote:Non-consensual best consensual.
That'swhat I rolls my last girlfriend but she didn't agre. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
60
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Posted - 2012.05.06 05:23:00 -
[202] - Quote
Why is it that when someone tries to defend the "highsec carebear" playstyle it always sounds like an immature and egocentric sore loser? |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2012.05.06 06:05:00 -
[203] - Quote
If someone is interested in joining Goonswarm - just exactly how can this be done - I am a curious sort. :) Maybe I have seen the light and wish to fly with the best of the best. Tell me how this can be done. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
720
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Posted - 2012.05.06 19:11:00 -
[204] - Quote
Amitious Turkey wrote:Hi, welcome to Eve. Now GTFO, and leave your women and goats. ha! Liked this ^
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T' Elk
The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension
449
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Posted - 2012.05.06 19:18:00 -
[205] - Quote
Why? 'Cause mama said I was special, and that makes mine better.
~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ // Inferno Came. It was meh. // The Beard is Back, Ladies and Gents! |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1509
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Posted - 2012.05.06 19:20:00 -
[206] - Quote
Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to be left alone, you have the station to do this all you want and the people in station really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to play the way it's allowed to, which is the way they want to play it?
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Kickaha d'Rynn
Undead Jesters
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 19:47:00 -
[207] - Quote
It's just the nature of the game, much like RL. One can "force" violence on a pacifist whereas one cannot force non-violence on the agressor, only provide negative consequences after the fact.
Thus the force only flows one-way.
Now if instead of kill-rights and immediate destruction by CONCORD, the PvEer had a choice in punishment for the PvPer upon a failed attack before intervention... hard labor (a forced period of mining, be it by m3 or set time) or Community Service (high-sec mission running) the "forced playstyle" would run both ways.
It wouldn't make a better New Eden, however.
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Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
218
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Posted - 2012.05.06 19:55:00 -
[208] - Quote
I am really looking forward to the day when CONCORD leaves hisec and all the cool eve players can finally have their way. It'll be awesome, there will be popcorn and of course only mature discussions on EGD. EGD: If you jettison what's in your brain, at least expect can flipping. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
154
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:23:00 -
[209] - Quote
Kickaha d'Rynn wrote:It's just the nature of the game, much like RL. One can "force" violence on a pacifist whereas one cannot force non-violence on the agressor, only provide negative consequences after the fact.
Thus the force only flows one-way.
Now if instead of kill-rights and immediate destruction by CONCORD, the PvEer had a choice in punishment for the PvPer upon a failed attack before intervention... hard labor (a forced period of mining, be it by m3 or set time) or Community Service (high-sec mission running) the "forced playstyle" would run both ways. It wouldn't make a better New Eden, however.
Technically, all pvpers are forced into hard labour when they need to grind sec status or replace expensive equipment.
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Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:37:00 -
[210] - Quote
just wanted to echo that lot of people seem to forget or are ignorant to the fact of sec status ... this provides an excellent foundation to apply consequences to greifers and or those who want to punish high sec players. |
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2145
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:57:00 -
[211] - Quote
Why can't I blow up high-sec dwellers in peace without whiners coming to the forums asking for CCP to protect them? (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Waylan Yutani
The Ghost Division The Ghost Army
26
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:00:00 -
[212] - Quote
I dont want to force my playstyle on others, i just think it would be a great idea if roids didnt respawn for a month or so
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Kickaha d'Rynn
Undead Jesters
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:00:00 -
[213] - Quote
Takseen wrote:Kickaha d'Rynn wrote:It's just the nature of the game, much like RL. One can "force" violence on a pacifist whereas one cannot force non-violence on the agressor, only provide negative consequences after the fact.
Thus the force only flows one-way.
Now if instead of kill-rights and immediate destruction by CONCORD, the PvEer had a choice in punishment for the PvPer upon a failed attack before intervention... hard labor (a forced period of mining, be it by m3 or set time) or Community Service (high-sec mission running) the "forced playstyle" would run both ways. It wouldn't make a better New Eden, however.
Technically, all pvpers are forced into hard labour when they need to grind sec status or replace expensive equipment.
True. This, however, is a game mechanic and is not the same as a player-forced mechanic. A PvEr does not cry because of the ship loss (and subsequent isk cost of replacing said ship) due to PvE foolishness, they cry when such loss is caused by another player.
Also, the PvPer gets to keep whatever bounties and loot are acquired in the restitution of their sec status. If those "rewards" were to go to the PvEr it would also more accurately reflect a two-way street.
Please note this a purely philisophical arguement regarding how loss is regarded differently dependant on cause rather than an actual plea for such measures to be implemented. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
389
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:03:00 -
[214] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:If someone is interested in joining Goonswarm - just exactly how can this be done - I am a curious sort. :) Maybe I have seen the light and wish to fly with the best of the best. Tell me how this can be done.
Speak to a certified Goonswarm Recruiter. They will get you pointed in the right direction. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
516
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:06:00 -
[215] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec?
This post makes no sense.
If you want people to play the game how they want, ******* let them.
You are doing EXACTLY what you are complaining about. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:08:00 -
[216] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:If someone is interested in joining Goonswarm - just exactly how can this be done - I am a curious sort. :) Maybe I have seen the light and wish to fly with the best of the best. Tell me how this can be done.
They don't recruit from in game.
You have to be part of SA forum community and pay your $10 (is it that much still??) anything else is a scam. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
389
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:10:00 -
[217] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:If someone is interested in joining Goonswarm - just exactly how can this be done - I am a curious sort. :) Maybe I have seen the light and wish to fly with the best of the best. Tell me how this can be done. They don't recruit from in game. You have to be part of SA forum community and pay your $10 (is it that much still??) anything else is a scam.
These are false accusations. Anyone can be a part of the Goonswarm Federation. Just speak to a recruiter. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Abel Merkabah
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:19:00 -
[218] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Actually I just came back to the game to see if it had improved since I left and it seems it hasn't, the same whining bunch are still here whining about high sec. Same old same old.
lol...new here...but the only whining I've observed has been from the carebears...
"Why can't I be immune to PvP, in a PvP game?" "Why can't I play an MMO by myself in a bubble?"
Seems the Low/Null sec people just call out the BS from the High sec QQers...
lol...I feel like a lot of people miss the point/intent of this game, at least as I understand it... |
Verte Sinkon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.05.06 22:20:00 -
[219] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:If someone is interested in joining Goonswarm - just exactly how can this be done - I am a curious sort. :) Maybe I have seen the light and wish to fly with the best of the best. Tell me how this can be done.
You can do it multiple ways but the easiest way to join our exclusive club at the Something Awful forums and get a platinum account then proceed reach at least 100 post, preferably in FYAD.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
295
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Posted - 2012.05.06 23:18:00 -
[220] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others?
Because their playstyle is savage and incorrect, and they must be broken of it by force.
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Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2012.05.06 23:30:00 -
[221] - Quote
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote: Because their playstyle is savage and incorrect, and they must be broken of it by force.
Savage huh? we still talking about mining? |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
296
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Posted - 2012.05.08 03:00:00 -
[222] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote: Because their playstyle is savage and incorrect, and they must be broken of it by force.
Savage huh? we still talking about mining?
What greater savagery is there? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6470
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Posted - 2012.05.08 03:01:00 -
[223] - Quote
Verte Sinkon wrote:You can do it multiple ways but the easiest way to join our exclusive club at the Something Awful forums and get a platinum account then proceed to reach at least 100 post, preferably in FYAD. Humour. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
414
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Posted - 2012.05.09 04:11:00 -
[224] - Quote
My god, when will they stop? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
640
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Posted - 2012.05.09 04:21:00 -
[225] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Verte Sinkon wrote:You can do it multiple ways but the easiest way to join our exclusive club at the Something Awful forums and get a platinum account then proceed to reach at least 100 post, preferably in FYAD. Humour. FYAD? I never went there, but I hear such things ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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