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eliminator2
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.22 16:12:00 -
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the ships are macherial, Vindicator, Nightmare, Bhaalgorn and rattlesnake (if missed any of them please let me know)
ok so id like to see the macherial changed for one simple reason
it has no purpose, it had purpose when nano was around because it was a oversized vagabond and noone had any problems with it, but when the speed nerf hit the servers the macherial was nerfed to nothing if you want a armor tanking good DPSer you go with vindicator, it carnt shield tank armor tank even the plate fit is fail
needs a role and a role fast to be worth what it costs
the vindicator is my next thought which it basicly is a more costing navy megathron with an extra med, most people with gallenete BS lv5 will choose the navy over the vindi but thn again the vindi is more effective at the whole armor tanking but fails at plate fit and its not that fare from been beaten by the navy mega still.
nightmare is just the awsome it has good shield tank good DPS and can stay alive even perma run everything with gistii setup BUT bring a vargur or any others in and its beaten just by the fact the vargur has bigger cargo which to me a faction should out do a T2 BS
Bhaalgorn is one of my fravourits has good EW can nuet a BS cap to 0 in 1 cycle (if fitted all nuets) and the other setup with guns and nuets is allso really effective since the tank on enemy ships will have no cap after 2-3 cycles
the rattlesnake i know nothing off so im not even going to judge it
now the Question is what would YOU like to see changed with these ships (no outrages remarks)
NOTE: this allso includes GM's DEV's CCP anyone who reads this it applies to you give your thoughts :D
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.22 16:17:00 -
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Tbh, Bhaalgorn, Ashimmu, Cynabal and Dramiel all need looked at, maybe the Cruor too...
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eliminator2
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.22 16:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Blane Xero
Tbh, Bhaalgorn, Ashimmu, Cynabal and Dramiel all need looked at, maybe the Cruor too...
Bhaalgorn are you mad? thats the most working one of them all
the macherial isnt worth its price at all 0_o
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.06.22 16:22:00 -
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WTB Navy Comet with 25% Bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Damage, 7.5% bonus to tracking and 5% bonus to armor repair amount per level.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.22 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: eliminator2
Originally by: Blane Xero
Tbh, Bhaalgorn, Ashimmu, Cynabal and Dramiel all need looked at, maybe the Cruor too...
Bhaalgorn are you mad? thats the most working one of them all
the macherial isnt worth its price at all 0_o
Define "most working". They are intended as expensive playtoys, and i find the fact you are fine paying 1.2b+ for a bhaalgorn yet find the machariel overpriced slightly ironic.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.06.22 16:24:00 -
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Ashimmu, Bhaalgorn, Cruor, Cynabal, Daredevil, Dramiel, Gila, Machariel, Rattlesnake, Vigilant, Vindicator, Worm.
…more or less.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.06.22 16:24:00 -
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All empire faction ships. Either their price needs to go down, at least on cruiser/frigate side and/or effectiveness needs to be increased.
All pirate faction ships need a look at, except the Sansha, which already got overhauled, though the Nightmare could use a more nightmarish look, it's too straight and harmless at the moment.
Also almost all faction modules need to be reviewed for their price/effectiveness/rarity ratios and the Sansha need to be adjusted to the way their faction ships were changed. Also Sansha NPCs need to be changed accordingly.
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Thenoran
Caldari
Tranquility Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.22 16:27:00 -
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All Navy Frigates, split setups that make no sense, especially the Gallente one.
Ashimmu, the most awesome looking ship in the game needs stats that match those looks.
More PG, laser damage bonus and maybe a midslot for a cap booster.
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Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2009.06.22 16:27:00 -
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Everything but Sansha, dumdum.
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eliminator2
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.22 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: eliminator2
Originally by: Blane Xero
Tbh, Bhaalgorn, Ashimmu, Cynabal and Dramiel all need looked at, maybe the Cruor too...
Bhaalgorn are you mad? thats the most working one of them all
the macherial isnt worth its price at all 0_o
Define "most working". They are intended as expensive playtoys, and i find the fact you are fine paying 1.2b+ for a bhaalgorn yet find the machariel overpriced slightly ironic.
hmm good point didnt check the price for them yet last i sore was 1bill 0_o
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.22 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Tbh, Bhaalgorn, Ashimmu, Cynabal and Dramiel all need looked at, maybe the Cruor too...
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arbiter reformed
Minmatar
Kuvakei's vengence
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Posted - 2009.06.22 16:37:00 -
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the bhaalgorn does what its ment to do very effectivly, unfortunatly its role in bs gangs is questionable as when fighting a rr bs gang you cant nuet out there passive tanks, sure you can stop a few ppl remote repping as effectivly but if you hasd gone in an abaddon your dps would have overwhelmed those reps anyway. for other stuff, ie bringing it along to make your gang more capable against smaller targets, killing mission runners, 1v1s and such like are often overlooked and i think bhaalgs can bring a versetility to your gang no other faction or non ships can really do. still it doesnt fit the current meta game particularly well, there are alot less active tanks these days.
the nightmare needs crystals and officer/dead fit to function properly, its probably the biggest isk sink of the bunch because of this, but as burning eve 4, 5 (dhb's videos) shows it pwns when properly fit/ flown.
the vindi also is an officer fit kinda ship, when your running an active tank the space for an extra capbooster is an amazing advantage, the cap /mwd bonus is a great help for cap stability too.
i think most of the faction bs arnt bought becausse of the amazing capabilities, but mostly because why not buy one if youre gonna put 5 bill into a ship, the extra bonus might not be amazing but its better than nothing, and when you remove cost from the equation the mach is better than fleet pest, vindi is better than navy mega even if only slightly. ppl want the best ship they can get as a base to build on.
pirate bss are fine imo, all quams with the machariel run deeper than that ship; but with minmitar in general, the tempest and fleet varient are just as lacking.
i think what really need to be looked at are pirate cruisers all but the phantasm and gila are a joke, cynbal anyone? ashimmu ffs?
as for faction better than t2 i dont agree with that, faction should be different too t2 not better or worse.
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CCP Ytterbium
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Posted - 2009.06.22 16:39:00 -
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Just popping here to express my interest in this thread. Please keep the ideas and discussion going, the spice must flow. All your thoughts are belong to us. The dev is a lie. Over 9042. Engage. |
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.22 16:40:00 -
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bal got hit hard
with all it bonuses nerfed
web and nos nerf like OMG
then the arazu
and then the eos
all these ships that are getting double nerfed are all this ships i fly ¼_¼
im sorry CCP for hurting your forums
dont double nerf the ships i am loving to fly now :)
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike
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Posted - 2009.06.22 16:43:00 -
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The Dramiel has five high-slots, but only two turret slots. Yet, all bonuses are for projectile turrets.
Makes no sense to me.
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eliminator2
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.22 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Ytterbium
Just popping here to express my interest in this thread. Please keep the ideas and discussion going, the spice must flow. All your thoughts are belong to us. The dev is a lie. Over 9042. Engage.
just...... get out :s
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.06.22 16:59:00 -
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The ashimmu at the moment cannot be fitted with anything to make it good. It just has too little CPU and powergrid.
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TimMc
Gallente
Extradition
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Posted - 2009.06.22 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
WTB Navy Comet with 25% Bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Damage, 7.5% bonus to tracking and 5% bonus to armor repair amount per level.
I would prefer more than 2 turret slots. |
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.22 17:15:00 -
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Bhaalgorn: 100% Damage bonus to Projectiles, 4 Turret Weapon slots 4 empty highs. Keep the rest of the slots the same. Keep the Neut/Nos/Web bonuses.
Machariel: 8 highs, 6 turrets, drop the missile slots. Change the ROF bonus to a 50% falloff range bonus. Change the damage bonus to 12.5% and keep the tracking bonus the same.
Vindicator: Change the turret damage bonus to 50%, drop the turrets to 6 and lose the missiles, with 8 highs. Keep the MWD Bonus, change the tracking bonus to 10%.
Rattlesnake: 6 highs, 4 missiles. Change the velocity bonus to a damage bonus (50-75%), 12.5% bonus to cruise/torps velocity, change the hybrid bonus into an explosion radius bonus(/ Explosion Velocity? whatever is more useful) (5-7.5%).
Balance all powergrid/cpu and some slots (Carefully).
Just remember, these are off the top of my head right now and its a warm day, but this is a rough outline of what i've been mulling over for a long time. As i own the Vindicator, Nightmare and Machariel and have flown each extensively over the course of 2 years (Vindicator less so, as i only got it a couple of months ago)
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.22 17:20:00 -
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Republic Fleet Firetail.
It has very high speed and agility...but I'm not really seeing its role. The tackle interceptors can tackle better...the Firetail dies horribly since it doesn't have a MWD sig bonus. It lacks a damage bonus as well, so it can't really do damage. I don't see its role.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.06.22 17:29:00 -
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If you want to know what I think, the Rattlesnake needs a less useless Gallente bonus (hybrids), Machariel needs a 7th turret. I won't bother with numbers though because this isn't Ships/Modules. :S
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Thenoran
Caldari
Tranquility Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.22 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Ytterbium
Just popping here to express my interest in this thread. Please keep the ideas and discussion going, the spice must flow. All your thoughts are belong to us. The dev is a lie. Over 9042. Engage.
You know Dune! 
If only they made something after Emperor...
Back in the day, Dune II (later on Dune 2000)...such good memories...
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.22 17:39:00 -
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I'd like to see the Eom geddon changed from being unavailable to available. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.22 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Ytterbium
Just popping here to express my interest in this thread. Please keep the ideas and discussion going, the spice must flow. All your thoughts are belong to us. The dev is a lie. Over 9042. Engage.
Oh my god... it's full of memes! |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.06.22 17:41:00 -
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Not sure if you are following threads in the Features and Ideas forum too (as there is a serious lack of dev responses there) but I recently had posted a proposal to add a Third Skill Bonus for Empire Faction Ships including some examples. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.22 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Ytterbium
Just popping here to express my interest in this thread. Please keep the ideas and discussion going, the spice must flow. All your thoughts are belong to us. The dev is a lie. Over 9042. Engage.
Short list:
1: split weapons are bad, m'kay?
2: Faction frigates and cruisers are waaaaay too expensive from the LP stores
3: Give us an EoM NPC sov region (and LP store) or the puppy gets it.
4: split weapons are BAD
5: most of the faction frigates and cruisers need better fittings (CPU & PG) |
Ragedman
Nolite Me Conculcare
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Posted - 2009.06.22 17:47:00 -
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 Gallente Navy Comet needs it the most. A little off topic though. |
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.22 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ragedman
Gallente Navy Comet needs it the most. A little off topic though.
Dramiel
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ArmyOfMe
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.06.22 17:54:00 -
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sadly the machariel is what the tempest should be
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Xianthar
STK Scientific
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.22 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
store) or the puppy gets it.
4: split weapons are BAD
Quoted for emphasis, 6+ years eve has been around, can't believe there are still ships with split weapon bonuses.
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