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Treyah
The humble Crew
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Posted - 2009.08.09 11:03:00 -
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They should be kill worthy, just as if they were stealing the loot in the cans. It's the same thing, if you prohibit players from looting another person's can - then the salvage should count too. Quit being lazy and change the code please - or else let me rob from other people's cans with only a sec hit.
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Enyalie
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.09 11:06:00 -
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The salvage does not belong to you; quit being lazy and adapt you crayon.
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Treyah
The humble Crew
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Posted - 2009.08.09 11:19:00 -
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That's exactly the issue - it should belong to the player that killed it. The only exception being non-npc wrecks. You can't tell me that these wannabee pirates are scared of some pew-pew can you?
CCP is just on the fence with this and doesn't want to rework the coding. I mean really, what kind of pirate wouldn't welcome the thought of an agro'd mission runner and some pew pew in Empire.
Widen your horizons and layoff the crackerjack insults imo.
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Jim Nakamura
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Posted - 2009.08.09 11:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Treyah
CCP is just on the fence with this and doesn't want to rework the coding. I mean really, what kind of pirate wouldn't welcome the thought of an agro'd mission runner and some pew pew in Empire.
Are you high, or just wilfully ignorant? CCP staff have gone on record repeatedly stating that wrecks (but not loot) are not your property, they are free for anyone to salvage, and this is working exactly as they intend. If you wait about five minutes, I'm sure someone will provide a delicious serving of copypasta confirming this.
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Zhebais
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Posted - 2009.08.09 11:24:00 -
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CCP has spoken. Salvage is not stealing. ItÆs not an exploit. ItÆs an intended mini-profession:
CCP Mitnal: ôOur policy on this is extremely clearà Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing.ö
GM Faolchu: ôThis is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit.ö
Senior GM Ytterbium: ôPlayers are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will à and doing so is not considered as an exploit.ö
Software Engineer CCP Prism X: ôBefore the salvage enters those containers [your cargo-hold / hangar] it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence itÆs not stealing.ö
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1OfMany
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Posted - 2009.08.09 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Treyah
That's exactly the issue - it should belong to the player that killed it. The only exception being non-npc wrecks. You can't tell me that these wannabee pirates are scared of some pew-pew can you?
CCP is just on the fence with this and doesn't want to rework the coding. I mean really, what kind of pirate wouldn't welcome the thought of an agro'd mission runner and some pew pew in Empire.
Widen your horizons and layoff the crackerjack insults imo.
First of all, i think they are pirates .. with a carebear edge, aka they 'wannabe' pirates, but are afraid to go to low sec for real risks..
Second i think you're post is fail, as the poster before me mentioned, allready said done and closed by CCP and accept it ....
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Liitar
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Posted - 2009.08.09 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Treyah
You can't tell me that these wannabee pirates are scared of some pew-pew can you?
You realise that most if not all ninja salvagers want it changed as well, that way noobs like you will shoot them and get prawned
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.08.09 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Gin G on 09/08/2009 11:28:31
ok read the GM responses and normal salvage laws
the salvage DOSNT belong to you its a free for all you DONT have a god given right to that salvage and if your to slow to get it before someone els that tough on you.
and if/when they do change it i garantee you that you will be back here crying your little eyes out saying you want ti changed back because your shooting them and getting shot to ribbons
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Treyah
The humble Crew
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Posted - 2009.08.09 11:33:00 -
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It's a failed system and I think everyone that plays the game knows CCP has went on record stating that it is working as intended - but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't still be changed. I never implied that I was confused about this, so yeah, go-go reading comprehension...
Point being, there are a number of people that think the change would be for the better. Even as one of the posters above stated -
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kushkan
Amarr
Imperial House Ordos
Machiavellian Insurrection
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Posted - 2009.08.09 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: kushkan on 09/08/2009 11:49:59
Edited by: kushkan on 09/08/2009 11:49:01
pop the wrecks every time the crawl close to it its be worth the ninja tears :)
repeat and in the long therm the know its not profitabel for them bother you.
ow the salvage isent yours but you can fight for it.
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.08.09 11:56:00 -
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Posting in a rare ninja salvage whine thread.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.08.09 11:57:00 -
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To the OP: You're better off with the current system, believe me. A fair chunk of the ninja salvagers are doing the same thing can flippers do, they're hoping to provoke a legal fight. In the current system, the only way the mission runner can legally shoot the ninja salvager is if the salvager steals loot from one of the wrecks the mission runner created. You know what the stupidest thing a mission runner can do if the salvager turns blinky red is? You guessed it: shoot the looter. Even if you manage to blow them up (you probably won't), they're going to be right back in a ship that's almost guaranteed to destroy your mission vessel, and instead of just losing the salvage, you'll lose all the salvage + your ship + probably the mission as well.
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2009.08.09 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Treyah
Point being, there are a number of people that think the change would be for the better. Even as one of the posters above stated -
And obviously there are a number of players thinking it should stay as is. As many of the posters above stated. What's the point of your point?
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Eldern Minderhost
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Posted - 2009.08.09 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Eldern Minderhost on 09/08/2009 15:51:14
First, in terms of reading comprehension: saying that CCP is "on the fence" is explicitly wrong. The term "on the fence" is used to describe an entity that is indifferent or uncertain of their stance on an issue or action. Given the constant, consistent, responses from CCP on salvaging they are clearly not "on the fence".
Just because you dislike an aspect of the game does not make it a bad aspect of the game. Yes, there are numerous players who dislike others' ability to salvage their missions; however, this does not mean that those players are correct. I'm sure the thousands of Chinese ISK farmers and botters strongly dislike high-sec ganking or low-sec piracy, that doesn't mean that those players are correct.
Simply because you are upset at a part of the game does not mean that said aspect should be removed or changed. Especially if it has been stated by the Devs to be working as intended.
Grow up and learn that you can't always get what you want. I know that if I could always get what I wanted, there wouldn't be a CONCORD to protect players like you.
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aetherguy881
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.09 15:52:00 -
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If you're tired of the ninja's, move. They can find you, but their newly acquired stomping grounds won't be as lucrative.
Or play the game and stop doing missions for isk.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.08.09 17:36:00 -
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the OP is entirely right. Ninjasalvagers make missionrunning not worth doing. He should engage in more profitable hisec activity, like hisec exploration or mining.
Oh ****.
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar
junQtion
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Posted - 2009.08.09 17:41:00 -
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everytime someone makes a thread like this someone reads it and their eyes glaze over, and BAM another ninja salvager is born.
it's like some kind of memetic virus with it's own breeding cycle; someone ninjas someones mission, mission runner QQs on forum, unsuspecting newb is infected by the tears, he ninjas someones mission, ......
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Yahweh Graf
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Posted - 2009.08.09 18:23:00 -
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thank you for posting with your main. look forward to getting some of your loot. you didn't like ninja's taking your salvage. i'm sure you'll love when i take something else.
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Bazuka
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Posted - 2009.08.09 19:06:00 -
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I`ve done my share of missioning over the last 3 years and I`ve only met one single ninja salvager (last month).
There are many missions that I dont salvage and I couldn`t care less about this issue it doesn`t bother me at all but i do have some questions for the constant defenders of the salvage mechanics.
Ninja salvaging gives noobs a chance to salvage wrecks of rats they can`t even kill.
It gives a week old nooblet the best ISK income he can possibly hope for with little to no effort.
So every nooblet learns this and instead of playing the game they just go salvage wrecks and miss on so many better features and options this game offers.
How is this "working as intended"again?
Where is the risk vs.reward or time-invested vs reward here?
How did this nooblet deserve to make a lot of ISK after few days of playing?
It IS a failed game mechanic that caters to the average-insta graphitication-lazy-Joe gamer of today and everyone knows it.
CCP lets it be because it`s only a minor annoyance for mission runners so they don`t whine in big enough numbers that warrants a game mechanic change.
The way I see it there are are only 2 type of players defending this.
1. The nooblets themselves, forum fighting to save their cash-cow.
2. The usual nay-sayers and haters that for no appearant reason hate on mission runners and "carebears"in general.
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BlindBleu
Gallente
BOOMers Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.09 19:07:00 -
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Ninja Salvaging is like PvP in Eve. It does not care if you want to do it or not, it is there. Some will do it some will not.*shrug*
Now if you are finding more Ninja Salvagers that are looting from your wrecks to see if you will target them...
1.Round up about 5+ Corpmates/Anti Ninja Salvagers etc.
2.Get into Mission with multiple gates, with at least one Battleship ie bait fitted for the mission, another ship(s) fitted for PvP. Make sure you have a way to target/hit/web/scram a ship that can move over 1,000 m/sec.
3.If a Salvager loots one of your wrecks, pop him fast.
4.Have the rest of your Fleet/Swarm come thru the gates into the pocket, where the bait ship and PvP ships are.
5.Wait around the area where the gate drops incoming ships.
6.When the Ninja Salvager comes back in his PvP Ship, Pop goes the Ninja.
7.If the Ninja brings along other Ninjas, maybe that T3 Cruiser from around Dodixie, Pop Goes the Ninja.
8.Bring in more Corpmates/Anti Ninja Salvagers etc.
9.Rinse and Repeat until enough fun is had by all.
Note "most" Ninja Salvagers are above average in PvP skills and ships, some are "exceptionally" skilled. So be prepared for that.
While this is going on, you will be drawing Ninja Salvagers that have been seeking PvP, from around the area. Letting other mission runners, be free of the wreck looting Ninja Salvagers.
Every Plan lasts until the first shot is fired.
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Yahweh Graf
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Posted - 2009.08.09 19:34:00 -
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honestly, I run my own lvl 4's with alt. being bored one day I tried out the ninja thing just for lol's and see how much one could actually get. so, i go to motsu. scan and bm with helios. then, change ships to fast t1 frig fitted all highs with salvagers mid sb and ab. only salvaging the med. and large wrecks. still couldn't get anywhere near what i could get isk wise running 4's of my own.
had lots of fun doing it though. cause you know it drives most carebears CRAZY. 
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.08.09 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: Breaker77 on 09/08/2009 19:39:11
I agree salvaging should flag them to the mission running and here is why:
1. Ninja steals salvage
2. Mission runner shoots ninja
3. 10 of Ninjas corpmates warp in and blow up a multibillion ISK faction fitted CNR/Golem/insert other expensive ship
4. Ninja then salvages that wreck and loots the faction mods that survived.
5. Mission runner goes crying on the forums about how salvaging shouldn't flag anyone as a criminal.
It's a win-win situation for the Mission runners and the ninjas. The mission runners get to protect their salvage and the ninjas get to make insane ISK from dropped faction mods / T2 salvage.
edit: spelling
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Yahweh Graf
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Posted - 2009.08.09 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77
Edited by: Breaker77 on 09/08/2009 19:39:1110 of Ninjas corpmates warp in and blow up a multibillion ISK faction fitted CNR/Golem/insert other expensive ship
game mechanics only allow the thief to fight back, corp. can't help him. can someone confirm this. or did something change recently?
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.08.09 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Yahweh Graf
Originally by: Breaker77
Edited by: Breaker77 on 09/08/2009 19:39:1110 of Ninjas corpmates warp in and blow up a multibillion ISK faction fitted CNR/Golem/insert other expensive ship
game mechanics only allow the thief to fight back, corp. can't help him. can someone confirm this. or did something change recently?
Well they can always RR the ninja in the hopes that the runner will shoot them.
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Xing Fey
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Posted - 2009.08.09 20:28:00 -
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I once went to an asteroid belt and people there started stealing my asteroids! PLZ HELP CCP!
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Diggles Darkreign
Caldari
Department of Homeland Insecurity
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Posted - 2009.08.09 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Taua Roqa
everytime someone makes a thread like this someone reads it and their eyes glaze over, and BAM another ninja salvager is born.
it's like some kind of memetic virus with it's own breeding cycle; someone ninjas someones mission, mission runner QQs on forum, unsuspecting newb is infected by the tears, he ninjas someones mission, ......
You nailed it, thats how I got started! Why run my own lvl 4's when I can harvest carebear tears, roleplay LOL's and make money!
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.09 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Treyah
it should belong to the player that killed it.
Why? You've already been rewarded for the kill.
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CCP is just on the fence with this
Incorrect. They are firmly planted on the opposite side of the fence from where you're standing.
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Widen your horizons and layoff the crackerjack insults imo.
Widen your horizons and accept the fact that you don't deserve the salvage if you can't even make the tiny effort of making it yours. Also, ridiculing those of an opposite viewpoint from the start and then telling them to lay off the insults makes you a sanctimonious ****.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.08.09 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Yahweh Graf
honestly, I run my own lvl 4's with alt. being bored one day I tried out the ninja thing just for lol's and see how much one could actually get. so, i go to motsu. scan and bm with helios. then, change ships to fast t1 frig fitted all highs with salvagers mid sb and ab. only salvaging the med. and large wrecks. still couldn't get anywhere near what i could get isk wise running 4's of my own.
had lots of fun doing it though. cause you know it drives most carebears CRAZY.
hint: Don't salvage Serpentis missions. They suck. So do Guristas.
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Yahweh Graf
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Posted - 2009.08.09 20:57:00 -
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Edited by: Yahweh Graf on 09/08/2009 21:03:34
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Originally by: Yahweh Graf
honestly, I run my own lvl 4's with alt. being bored one day I tried out the ninja thing just for lol's and see how much one could actually get. so, i go to motsu. scan and bm with helios. then, change ships to fast t1 frig fitted all highs with salvagers mid sb and ab. only salvaging the med. and large wrecks. still couldn't get anywhere near what i could get isk wise running 4's of my own.
had lots of fun doing it though. cause you know it drives most carebears CRAZY.
hint: Don't salvage Serpentis missions. They suck. So do Guristas.
i've found the best to salvage are blood, sansha's and angels. i usually don't bother with any others unless i know there is a high value loot drop. i.e. arbalest hml.
getting no bounties i try to reject most drones as well. just in it for lp and standings mostly.
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Soliscout
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Posted - 2009.08.09 20:58:00 -
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Edited by: Soliscout on 09/08/2009 20:59:07
Edited by: Soliscout on 09/08/2009 20:58:49
Edited by: Soliscout on 09/08/2009 20:58:07
believe me you do not want the system to be changed....otherwise you could buy a new cnr/golem/wtfcarebearmobile every two days since any decent ninja salvager just wants you to agress him, so he can blow you to pieces
also posting in a rare ninja salvage whine
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