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Mad Maulkin	Posted - 2009.08.19 21:31:00 - [241] Originally by: Mel Lifera Dear Carebear: I do apologize. Arguments from reason are always, always welcome, whomever gives them. You are a beacon for others to follow. Well now your pushing it, i just wanted to be quoted once... But to be serious, i might not have been so serious before, cause this thread tends towardt the rediculous at times, i fully support the mechaninsm as it works now... how else can you go around and salvage the wrecks in roid belts that miners have just left behind... I perhaps don't support Ninjas in general, at least those that visit me, but then i don't like gangkers and the idiot that podded me either, but i can't really complain now can I, its the way the game is, and in this case, CCP has made so many comments that it is intentioal that is hard to make the argument that its a bug and they are covering it up... This was very thougth through, and intentionaly implemented, or else they would have but it under the aggro flag banner... So at least don't try to make it into a CCP screwup, conspiracy or some other similar claim, its sounds slightly rediculous...
g0ggalor	Posted - 2009.08.20 05:05:00 - [242] Jarvis, the edit button, learn to use it.
Riedle	Posted - 2009.08.20 16:02:00 - [243] Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom Originally by: Riedle Or we can pretend that we all went through that and get to the part where you Dec me. Not a Tigers director and certainly not a senior operative of my Alliance so not really an option. You are also under some kind of illusion that I care enough about your existence to bother even if I was. That is unfortunate. I wanted to pod you repeatedly for your forum whines on salvaging.
Jarvis Hellstrom Gallente The Flying Tigers	Posted - 2009.08.20 18:58:00 - [244] Originally by: Riedle That is unfortunate. I wanted to pod you repeatedly for your forum whines on salvaging. You know - I promised myself I wasn't bothering anymore, but this is just too much fun to pass up: Character: Riedle Lifetime kills 7 Lifetime losses 26 Total pods killed 0 Taken from here: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Riedle Threat=empty
THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.08.20 19:42:00 - [245] I thought you were done with this thread? Why do people never finish when they say they will finish? Originally by: Whitehound If I think, but I do not.
Jarvis Hellstrom Gallente The Flying Tigers	Posted - 2009.08.20 19:53:00 - [246] Originally by: THE L0CK I thought you were done with this thread? Why do people never finish when they say they will finish? <shrug> It's called changing one's mind. People do that sometimes in response to changing stimuli. To do otherwise is hopelessly rigid. Not wasting my breath discussing the original topic anymore, though, that horse has been beaten to glue and the principals ceased communicating meaningful data long since. I just thought it would be fun to shine the light of reality on someone talking big and trying to be scary who entirely lacked the chops to back it up. Call it a public service. May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk (Old Egyptian Blessing)
THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.08.20 20:09:00 - [247] So the translation is that you've realized that you were losing the argument due to valid information provided by CCP themselves and are now attempting to sidetrack the thread as a scapegoat. Gotcha Originally by: Whitehound If I think, but I do not.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.08.20 20:34:00 - [248] Quote: You know - I promised myself I wasn't bothering anymore, but this is just too much fun to pass up: Character: Riedle Lifetime kills 7 Lifetime losses 26 Total pods killed 0 Taken from here: Did you even read? His losses were all either pods or rifters, thrashers, and stabbers...with one Wreath and I think a Probe. The most extreme loss was a hurricane. His kills include AFs, HACs, BS, one SB, and one Rifter.
Jarvis Hellstrom Gallente The Flying Tigers	Posted - 2009.08.20 20:35:00 - [249] Originally by: THE L0CK So the translation is that you've realized that you were losing the argument due to valid information provided by CCP themselves and are now attempting to sidetrack the thread as a scapegoat. Gotcha Please don't even attempt to put words in my mouth, you've not the vocabularly for it. I'm just tired of beating my head against the wall of invincible stupidity. It's one of the hazards of rolling around in the mud with the swine, I suppose. You both get filthy, but the pigs enjoy it. May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk (Old Egyptian Blessing)
Jarvis Hellstrom Gallente The Flying Tigers	Posted - 2009.08.20 20:43:00 - [250] Originally by: Kahega Amielden His kills include AFs, HACs, BS, one SB, and one Rifter. Why yes, I do read. None of the kills were solo that I could find and you neglect to mention that the primary enemy kill type were battleship hulls. In other words, much like the TEARS KB, he and his friends are very very good at ganking PvE fit ships. This is not an accomplishment to trumpet to the heavens although I expect you'd like it to be. In fact, it's lame as hell. He has only one loss that wasn't in high sec as well (I believe Old Man's Star is lowsec, not certain) although I didn't bother with an exhaustive check of his older losses. Clearly we have different definitions of what makes a pilot competent in combat. I don't count ganking the helpless as terribly frightening. None of which changes the fact that his threat was podkilling - something he has never yet managed to do. Threat still = empty By the way, Kahega - I'm not writing any of this for you. Just to be clear, this is for those who are reading who might actually believe some of the BS that the ninjas throw around about being scary in PvP. I'm not a huge fan of KB in general but they do tell the truth in this case. You aren't combat pilots you're schoolyard bullies. May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk (Old Egyptian Blessing)
WTFAMILOOKINGAT	Posted - 2009.08.20 21:14:00 - [251] Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom Originally by: THE L0CK So the translation is that you've realized that you were losing the argument due to valid information provided by CCP themselves and are now attempting to sidetrack the thread as a scapegoat. Gotcha Please don't even attempt to put words in my mouth, you've not the vocabularly for it. I'm just tired of beating my head against the wall of invincible stupidity. It's one of the hazards of rolling around in the mud with the swine, I suppose. You both get filthy, but the pigs enjoy it. Oh, I see. Anyone with a different opinion is stupid and a pig. Nice.
THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.08.20 21:15:00 - [252] Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom Originally by: THE L0CK So the translation is that you've realized that you were losing the argument due to valid information provided by CCP themselves and are now attempting to sidetrack the thread as a scapegoat. Gotcha Please don't even attempt to put words in my mouth, you've not the vocabularly for it. I'm just tired of beating my head against the wall of invincible stupidity. It's one of the hazards of rolling around in the mud with the swine, I suppose. You both get filthy, but the pigs enjoy it. Well no need to take out your butthurt feelings on me like that, I'm just calling it as I see it. You brought your points to the table and in the end lost so you backed out in true MR fashion, but now you are back trying to sidetrack the thread with name calling and posturing. Also just because another opinion differs from yours it does not make it wrong. Little lessons in life. Originally by: Whitehound If I think, but I do not.
Traidor Disloyal Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.08.20 21:20:00 - [253] Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom You aren't combat pilots you're schoolyard bullies. I am going to put something like this in my bio (or has my title), right under "Chicks dig HAC pilots": I'm not a combat pilot, I'm a schoolyard bully! ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Jarvis Hellstrom Gallente The Flying Tigers	Posted - 2009.08.20 21:54:00 - [254] Originally by: WTFAMILOOKINGAT Oh, I see. Anyone with a different opinion is stupid and a pig. Nice. Not a bit of it. Just those who refuse to discourse courteously and act childishly. I have agreed to disagree with ninjas on occasion - but they were courteous and well mannered in their points of view so that was simple. Interestingly one of them is also the CEO of Suddenly Ninjas. I still have a lot of respect for her, despite disagreeing with her. Just not the rest of these buffoons. It's not their difference of opinion, it's their childish manner of expressing it and their absolutely pathetic means of 'discussion' (which reeks very much of something that belongs in the 6th grade). And now I really am out as this has become entirely pointless and I'm quite beginning to lose my temper with some of the ad hominems and out and out lies from people who don't even know me. Serves me right for rolling in the mud I suppose. May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk (Old Egyptian Blessing)
Riedle	Posted - 2009.08.20 21:57:00 - [255] Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom Originally by: Riedle That is unfortunate. I wanted to pod you repeatedly for your forum whines on salvaging. You know - I promised myself I wasn't bothering anymore, but this is just too much fun to pass up: Character: Riedle Lifetime kills 7 Lifetime losses 26 Total pods killed 0 Taken from here: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Riedle Threat=empty Great. I'll be expecting the war dec in 24hrs. kthxbai
Riedle	Posted - 2009.08.20 21:58:00 - [256] Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom Originally by: THE L0CK I thought you were done with this thread? Why do people never finish when they say they will finish? <shrug> It's called changing one's mind. People do that sometimes in response to changing stimuli. To do otherwise is hopelessly rigid. Not wasting my breath discussing the original topic anymore, though, that horse has been beaten to glue and the principals ceased communicating meaningful data long since. I just thought it would be fun to shine the light of reality on someone talking big and trying to be scary who entirely lacked the chops to back it up. Call it a public service. I wasn't talking scary. I wanted to kills yer internet spaceships for being an asshat on the forums. :) then maybe have anal sex with your corpse if I were so lucky. (in game)
Riedle	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:06:00 - [257] Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom Originally by: WTFAMILOOKINGAT Oh, I see. Anyone with a different opinion is stupid and a pig. Nice. Not a bit of it. Just those who refuse to discourse courteously and act childishly. I have agreed to disagree with ninjas on occasion - but they were courteous and well mannered in their points of view so that was simple. Interestingly one of them is also the CEO of Suddenly Ninjas. I still have a lot of respect for her, despite disagreeing with her. Just not the rest of these buffoons. It's not their difference of opinion, it's their childish manner of expressing it and their absolutely pathetic means of 'discussion' (which reeks very much of something that belongs in the 6th grade). And now I really am out as this has become entirely pointless and I'm quite beginning to lose my temper with some of the ad hominems and out and out lies from people who don't even know me. Serves me right for rolling in the mud I suppose. oohh.. you are right. I should mind my manners. Your uber skills. I should know my place. ISK Lost 838,918,863 ISK Destroyed 1,403,803,917 Success Ratio 2:1 Average ISK/Kill 175,475,490 Get ETCs to replace Lifetime damage inflicted 37,758 Lifetime damage recieved 150,419 Success Ratio 0:1 Damage inflicted last 7 days 0 Damage taken last 7 days 0 Kills last 7 days 0 Losses last 7 days 0 Favourite prey Heavy Assault Ship Ships lost most frequently Capsule Total pods killed looks like we would be a good match, n'est ce pas?
Cyberin Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:16:00 - [258] I can't find my cookies, has anyone seen them rolling around in here? Hands Off, My Loots!
THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:24:00 - [259] Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom Originally by: WTFAMILOOKINGAT Oh, I see. Anyone with a different opinion is stupid and a pig. Nice. Not a bit of it. Just those who refuse to discourse courteously and act childishly. I have agreed to disagree with ninjas on occasion - but they were courteous and well mannered in their points of view so that was simple. Interestingly one of them is also the CEO of Suddenly Ninjas. I still have a lot of respect for her, despite disagreeing with her. Just not the rest of these buffoons. It's not their difference of opinion, it's their childish manner of expressing it and their absolutely pathetic means of 'discussion' (which reeks very much of something that belongs in the 6th grade). And now I really am out as this has become entirely pointless and I'm quite beginning to lose my temper with some of the ad hominems and out and out lies from people who don't even know me. Serves me right for rolling in the mud I suppose. Always makes me smile when people talk about how others act in a childish manner and then resort to it themselves with the name calling. In fact your last two paragraphs completely contradict each other. Also taking bets now on if he comes back for a third time. Place your bets! Originally by: Whitehound If I think, but I do not.
TheMaster42 Lobster Gazelle Unicorn	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:25:00 - [260] Edited by: TheMaster42 on 20/08/2009 23:28:42 This issue is so clear-cut. Mission runners want this change; it only makes sense. Ninja salvagers want this change, too, but it's obvious they're lying because if this were to come about, they'd all be exploding all the time by the hundreds. All of Jarkvis' posts are so clear and correct, I don't see why there's any discussion on the matter at all. It's clear he's dealt with dozens of ninja salvagers and handily gotten them blown up or driven them off or otherwise turned the tables. I'd argue for salvaging to become a flaggable offense based only on his arguments. It's very likely CCP is lying about wanting this change, and it's just a holdover from bad technology. Remember they changed warp to zero not because it made the game better/worse, but because their servers were burdened from people copying bookmarks all the time. I welcome this change with all my heart, and await its inevitable arrival. Nothing in Eve could possibly stop my powerful, mission running, faction-fit Golem as it is essentially invincible, and so I deserve the chance to drive off all the nasty ninja salvagers I can all day.
llhloiug	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:28:00 - [261] I agree that there should be a consequence for people stealing salvage just as there is for loot. I don't understand what the intellectual disconnect is and why this hasn't been fixed.
TheMaster42 Lobster Gazelle Unicorn	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:29:00 - [262] Originally by: llhloiug I agree that there should be a consequence for people stealing salvage just as there is for loot. I don't understand what the intellectual disconnect is and why this hasn't been fixed. lol cool
Mel Lifera	Posted - 2009.08.21 00:33:00 - [263] Edited by: Mel Lifera on 21/08/2009 00:33:44 Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom Originally by: Kahega Amielden His kills include AFs, HACs, BS, one SB, and one Rifter. Why yes, I do read. None of the kills were solo that I could find and you neglect to mention that the primary enemy kill type were battleship hulls. In other words, much like the TEARS KB, he and his friends are very very good at ganking PvE fit ships. Obviously, because nobody ever uses battleships, heavy assault cruisers, or stealth bombers for PvP. Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom This is not an accomplishment to trumpet to the heavens although I expect you'd like it to be. In fact, it's lame as hell. He has only one loss that wasn't in high sec as well (I believe Old Man's Star is lowsec, not certain) although I didn't bother with an exhaustive check of his older losses. You sir, are a bountiful and unappreciated resource to the EVE community. Without you, nobody would understand how the game is supposed to be played, and what constitutes "good play" versus "bad play". Hint for all new players: ignore the "dead, poor" documentation, and anything said by the people who actually created the game. Jarvis is Your Man. Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom Clearly we have different definitions of what makes a pilot competent in combat. I don't count ganking the helpless as terribly frightening. By "we", of course, is meant "you" and "everybody who isn't you". Most of the time, when somebody dies in PvP as a result of a poorly-fit-for-PvP ship, fault is assigned to the pilot thereof. But in your special version of reality, it's the attacking pilots' fault; after all, as mentioned, nobody PvPs in a battleship or a stealth bomber, so they should've realized they were dealing with a "helpless" PvE'er and...let him shoot at them without consequence, I suppose. Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom None of which changes the fact that his threat was podkilling - something he has never yet managed to do. Maybe, like me, he's discerning about who he podkills. Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom By the way, Kahega - I'm not writing any of this for you. snicker Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom Just to be clear, this is for those who are reading who might actually believe some of the BS that the ninjas throw around about being scary in PvP. I'm not a huge fan of KB in general but they do tell the truth in this case. You aren't combat pilots you're schoolyard bullies. Su, no? And your debating points and tactics have been thoroughly wet-willied, wedgied, and depantsed in this thread. Lunch money. Now.
Mel Lifera	Posted - 2009.08.21 00:42:00 - [264] Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom Originally by: WTFAMILOOKINGAT Oh, I see. Anyone with a different opinion is stupid and a pig. Nice. Not a bit of it. Just those who refuse to discourse courteously and act childishly. I have agreed to disagree with ninjas on occasion - but they were courteous and well mannered in their points of view so that was simple. Interestingly one of them is also the CEO of Suddenly Ninjas. I still have a lot of respect for her, despite disagreeing with her. Just not the rest of these buffoons. It's not their difference of opinion, it's their childish manner of expressing it and their absolutely pathetic means of 'discussion' (which reeks very much of something that belongs in the 6th grade). And now I really am out as this has become entirely pointless and I'm quite beginning to lose my temper with some of the ad hominems and out and out lies from people who don't even know me. Serves me right for rolling in the mud I suppose.
Menilkir	Posted - 2009.08.24 13:54:00 - [265] Phew, after finally reaching the end of the 8 page eyeball-**** that was this thread, I must say I do find these debates quite interesting :P Been playing EVE for just over a year now, starting on lvl 4's now and finding it quite good, not a huge fan of PvP as I tend to suck, perhaps at some point in the future once I feel more confident in playing. (I'm from a WoW background and as such find EVE both more complex and rewarding). I think a good solution would be to be able to scan for wreaks as opposed to players, and make wreaks randomly occur (but not too much ofc) this way a lot of the time 'Ninja's' could find mission site's where the MR had been and left (for example, up until last week I couldn't salvage and was therefore leaving all my wreaks after looting them). On the off-chance that they warp in to an ongoing mission site where a MR is currently doing the mission, they its up to the 'Ninja' to decide if he wants to upset the MR by salvaging wreaks in front of him, or leave him to it and find another site, failing that he could even ask if they intend to salvage? I know ppl will say 'he doesn't need to ask, its part of the game' and yes this is true, but at the same time I don't have to give my seat up on the bus for elderly ppl, its all about showing a bit of courtesy and respect, something that seem to be lacking in both MMOG's and their relevant discussion forums. -Menilkir
Traidor Disloyal Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.08.24 16:04:00 - [266] Originally by: Menilkir its all about showing a bit of courtesy and respect, something that seem to be lacking in both MMOG's and their relevant discussion forums. -Menilkir Courtesy and respect? In this game? I don't think so. At least not in High Sec. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.08.24 16:06:00 - [267] Quote: its all about showing a bit of courtesy and respect, something that seem to be lacking in both MMOG's and their relevant discussion forums. I once played starcraft and kindly asked my enemy to not attack me. The discourteous bastard did anyway
Zed Jackelope Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.08.24 16:43:00 - [268] Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom Originally by: Riedle That is unfortunate. I wanted to pod you repeatedly for your forum whines on salvaging. You know - I promised myself I wasn't bothering anymore, but this is just too much fun to pass up: Character: Riedle Lifetime kills 7 Lifetime losses 26 Total pods killed 0 Taken from here: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Riedle Threat=empty Using your own logic: Lifetime kills 8 Lifetime losses 22 You're as equally dangerous.. i.e. not. Love your solo kills btw. Originally by: Awesome Possum Ban in place for using inappropriate language and evading the profanity filter. When Will I be able to post again? 09/03/09
FOl2TY8 Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.08.24 16:52:00 - [269] Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom Not a bit of it. Just those who refuse to discourse courteously and act childishly. I have agreed to disagree with ninjas on occasion - but they were courteous and well mannered in their points of view so that was simple. Interestingly one of them is also the CEO of Suddenly Ninjas. I still have a lot of respect for her, despite disagreeing with her. Just not the rest of these buffoons. It's not their difference of opinion, it's their childish manner of expressing it and their absolutely pathetic means of 'discussion' (which reeks very much of something that belongs in the 6th grade). And now I really am out as this has become entirely pointless and I'm quite beginning to lose my temper with some of the ad hominems and out and out lies from people who don't even know me. Serves me right for rolling in the mud I suppose. People that use "buffoon" in a sentence get nervous around the opposite sex, c/d? ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
Mad Maulkin	Posted - 2009.08.25 10:16:00 - [270] Edited by: Mad Maulkin on 25/08/2009 10:17:10 Originally by: llhloiug I agree that there should be a consequence for people stealing salvage just as there is for loot. I don't understand what the intellectual disconnect is and why this hasn't been fixed. But it is, you get flagged for stealing salvage just as you would anything else... stealing is illegal...

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