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Mad Maulkin
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Posted - 2009.09.03 09:32:00 -
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What people! did you all go to the other Salvage threads?? we are one of the longest out there, lets keep the discussion going!
Adding a new prespective to those claiming the wrecks are theirs since they killed it, actually id say the wreck belongs to the one who owned the ship,and since he is a rat bastard, no one cares about his rights, and its a free for all on the salvage...
Same mechanics for Player wrecks, same mechanic for RL salvage, wreck your car or someone wrecks it, it belongs to you, not the drunk who smashed into you... leave the wreck on the side of the road, a licensed salvager can come pick it up! EvE has declared you need no license! Go salvage!
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world
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debbie harrio
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Posted - 2009.09.03 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: debbie harrio on 03/09/2009 11:29:43
Before anyone accuses me of crying, I'm not, I have absolutely no problem with what the ninja's do, I do it myself sometimes, it's fun and gives a sense of competition with minimum risk although the silly ninja who stole from my towed container the other day soon found out the flagging rules do work.
Maybe a compromise solution could be to up the rate of metal scraps in the salvage, everyone hates it and it takes up loads of cargo space meaning that the ninja's would have to micromanage their cargo holds and if they got one after the other, well that hold's them up until another jet can is ready,giving the mision runner time to salvage more wrecks.
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Nishachara
Minmatar Special Operations Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.03 11:29:00 -
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In RL in some (eastern) european countries there are some population of nomadic people without a country called gypsies...
There are some of them in my country too..and what do they do often ? They go around in their little van and collect old metal thingies, old home appliances, parts of cars etc... and what do they do with that ? ...sell to a scrapyard for a profit
That is RL ninja salvage :D
Some years ago (it was on TV even) they dismantled few hundred years old metal bridge (it was from austro-hungarian monarchy or something) that is of some historical value ..and sold it at scrapyard .. lol
So ninjas are everywhere around you (yes even that nice old bum who is collecting(salvaging) bottles to sell them... ) ... why not in internet spaceship game ?
...and just for the purpose of discussion...would be possible to steal salvage in a wh if you are organized well (some people kill sleeper sites with one ship and then come back in another for salvaging)...hard but not impossible..what do you think ?
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debbie harrio
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Posted - 2009.09.03 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Nishachara
...and just for the purpose of discussion...would be possible to steal salvage in a wh if you are organized well (some people kill sleeper sites with one ship and then come back in another for salvaging)...hard but not impossible..what do you think ?
That would be mega profitable, cloaked salvager, wait for WH dweller to finish killing the sleepers and shoot off to change ships then decloak and nick all the loot/salvage...It would be like a WTF moment for the confused WH resident as you don't show up in local nor dir scan if cloaked.
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Nishachara
Minmatar Special Operations Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.03 11:45:00 -
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Edited by: Nishachara on 03/09/2009 11:45:03 yes...exacly...
But it would be pretty hard to pull off (and fun too)...
Maybe even if it is lone explorer, salvager could have some ECM support(clocked scorpion ??) so the explorer could not lock either ninja or his own wrecks...
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Lady Spank
Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.09.03 11:47:00 -
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omg dont clock scorpions, they are already running at max cpu output
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Nishachara
Minmatar Special Operations Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.03 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: Nishachara on 03/09/2009 11:49:58 Just an idea...(tbh i dont have experience with scorpion) for even more WTF effect... ..anyway server just started..
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Miko Makkara
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Posted - 2009.09.03 11:53:00 -
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CCP allows it couse they cant handle lag it creates if every thing floating in space would belong to someone. If you really want CCP to act on these things do something they notice. Cancel account sub and write reason. Remove all tags in wrecks or make all of it tagged. Why would any of those be difrent? Some games do have tags on all but they dissipate in some time (15min) would that be solution for lag?
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Traidor Disloyal
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.09.03 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Miko Makkara CCP allows it couse they cant handle lag it creates
I need to start making things up. Did you get this lag crap from the previous page or did you just pull it out your behind? Show us someone other then another player said this (you know, a DEV). ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it. |
Stealnutz
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.09.03 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Miko Makkara CCP allows it couse they cant handle lag it creates if every thing floating in space would belong to someone. If you really want CCP to act on these things do something they notice. Cancel account sub and write reason. Remove all tags in wrecks or make all of it tagged. Why would any of those be difrent? Some games do have tags on all but they dissipate in some time (15min) would that be solution for lag?
I wish to unsubscribe from your newsletter. It started off with promise but has gone downhill of late.
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debbie harrio
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Posted - 2009.09.03 21:24:00 -
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Has anyone thought about my solution of increasing the metal scrap rate in salvage, this would affect both the MR and the ninja but it would be more detrimental to the ninjas due to their tiny cargo hold, all salvage that is obtained from wrecks would have a large amount of metal scraps in it, if you think about it this is true with RL wrecks, to get the decent stuff you have to sift thru a lot of ****e.
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.09.03 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: debbie harrio
Has anyone thought about my solution of increasing the metal scrap rate in salvage, this would affect both the MR and the ninja but it would be more detrimental to the ninjas due to their tiny cargo hold, all salvage that is obtained from wrecks would have a large amount of metal scraps in it, if you think about it this is true with RL wrecks, to get the decent stuff you have to sift thru a lot of ****e.
I think it would be enjoyable to hear MR's whine about having salvage nerfed so they get more worthless scrapmetal and not those juicy components that make them a few million in a round.
In other words you do not amputate an arm for a cut on the finger.
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debbie harrio
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Posted - 2009.09.03 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: debbie harrio on 03/09/2009 22:07:34
Originally by: THE L0CK
I think it would be enjoyable to hear MR's whine about having salvage nerfed so they get more worthless scrapmetal and not those juicy components that make them a few million in a round.
In other words you do not amputate an arm for a cut on the finger.
I wouldn't be bothered at all with the metal scraps as on a marauder they have a big cargo hold so the time penalty for jet canning isn't so critical but it would pee off the ninja, maybe even the tears and lolz out.
BTW I wasn't on about nerfing salvage but just on about upping metal scrap rates on all wrecks as it would be in RL.
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.09.03 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: debbie harrio Edited by: debbie harrio on 03/09/2009 22:07:34
Originally by: THE L0CK
I think it would be enjoyable to hear MR's whine about having salvage nerfed so they get more worthless scrapmetal and not those juicy components that make them a few million in a round.
In other words you do not amputate an arm for a cut on the finger.
I wouldn't be bothered at all with the metal scraps as on a marauder they have a big cargo hold so the time penalty for jet canning isn't so critical but it would pee off the ninja, maybe even the tears and lolz out.
BTW I wasn't on about nerfing salvage but just on about upping metal scrap rates on all wrecks as it would be in RL.
you are missing 2 critical points.
1) Even since they beefed up scraps so they are worth their weight in Trit, its still crap on the market. If your removed the good components and replace it with more scrap you'll only make MR's want to salvage less.
2) Salvage ninja's do tend to fly larger ships. My cruiser packs a 1500 cargo hold (which is pretty close to that marauder) so I can salvage AND steal, cause you know, some of us actually do that contrary to popular forum whinage belief.
Sure it may not effect you but some MR's really enjoy selling ward consoles or nano plates for a good chunk of change.
Like I said, you are proposing to amputate an arm for a cut on the finger.
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debbie harrio
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Posted - 2009.09.03 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: debbie harrio on 03/09/2009 22:21:49 Edited by: debbie harrio on 03/09/2009 22:21:12 I am not on about reducing the rest of the salvage, just upping the scraps.....
BTW ninjas don't bother me so don't think you are debating with someone that whines, I ninja myself.
the usual ninja ship BTW is a small fast frig/cruiser it has to be, you can't use tractors, I use a stabber.
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.09.03 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: debbie harrio Edited by: debbie harrio on 03/09/2009 22:21:49 Edited by: debbie harrio on 03/09/2009 22:21:12 I am not on about reducing the rest of the salvage, just upping the scraps.....
BTW ninjas don't bother me so don't think you are debating with someone that whines, I ninja myself.
the usual ninja ship BTW is a small fast frig/cruiser it has to be, you can't use tractors, I use a stabber.
So how do you propose to up scraps while not reducing any other material when the amount of wrecks remain the same?
And I use a Magnate and a Omen, whats your point?
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debbie harrio
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Posted - 2009.09.03 22:33:00 -
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It's code, easy to up one part of salvage without affecting other parts.
Is this the beginning of ninja tears lol.....
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Boink'urr
Minmatar Wasserette De Tarthorst
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Posted - 2009.09.03 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Soliscout Edited by: Soliscout on 09/08/2009 20:59:07 Edited by: Soliscout on 09/08/2009 20:58:49 Edited by: Soliscout on 09/08/2009 20:58:07 believe me you do not want the system to be changed....otherwise you could buy a new cnr/golem/wtfcarebearmobile every two days since any decent ninja salvager just wants you to agress him, so he can blow you to pieces
also posting in a rare ninja salvage whine
The salvager can already steal from your wrecks allowing you to shoot him. He doesn't need a change in the system for that.
But no MR in their right mind would since Eve has this weird difference in PVE/PVP fits. The slavager, if prepared, will usually steal in a PVP fitted ship while facing a much weaker PVE fit. And then brag about how cool he is cuz 'he dares to steal'. Cool bean pirate breaking Cartman's balls. Go for the fat kid D:
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.09.03 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: debbie harrio It's code, easy to up one part of salvage without affecting other parts.
Is this the beginning of ninja tears lol.....
So you are offering more items to go into the cargo hold when people salvage. By your definition then, the standard stuff is still there, and the salvager, be it ninja or MR, will receive more income in the form of scrap, which they can easily jettison if they want. So really, your idea does exactly Jack, with the exception of giving me more Trit to build with. I wonder how people in other careers will feel about the MR who already make a ton of money with pretty much no risk making even more money with pretty much no risk.
As for sentence 2:
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debbie harrio
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Posted - 2009.09.03 22:44:00 -
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As I said most ninjas have tiny cargo holds, you are an exception, you are looking for non-consensual pvp AND salvage ( stealing loot as well) so I believe in your case the salvage is secondary.
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.09.03 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: THE L0CK on 03/09/2009 22:50:26 No in my case the salvage and items are primary and the pvp is a bonus.
I steal the items and melt them down. The minerals are used to make missiles and ammo. I salvage to get the wrecks to make rigs. I sell this all back to the very people I steal from.
But again whats to stop a salvager from jettisoning scraps. I mean wow, he was just inconvenienced for all of 2 seconds. Not to mention you would need a lot of the stuff. I've occasionally have salvaged only and even on a big mission I take up all of 5.0 space of 150 in my frig. You could accomplish in making it worth it a little more then I guess.
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debbie harrio
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Posted - 2009.09.03 22:56:00 -
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It takes 4 minutes+ for another jet can to be prepared, thus frustrating the ninja with a small cargo hold, it also frustrates the mission runner but evens the field a bit.
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.09.03 22:59:00 -
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Whats frustrating about it? you drop a can and continue salvaging. On the off chance that you do fill up again before you drop a can you simply fly back to the can you jettisoned IN YOUR LITTLE FAST SHIP. Any Ninja salvager who gets annoyed at that would have to be ADHD inflicted or just a douche in general.
But again you would need to have a TON of scrap drop and MR's already make more than enough money and now you are offering to give them more?
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debbie harrio
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Posted - 2009.09.03 23:08:00 -
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good plan but it is still inconvenience for the ninja, the mission runner in his marauder can tractor more wrecks to him and salvage them as he is popping more, the ninja is still ninjaring, I'm not trying to implement this at all just throwing a little fuel on the fire
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debbie harrio
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Posted - 2009.09.03 23:16:00 -
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I am also of the opinion that until a MR is using a marauder and is able to tractor, salvage and kill at the same time, salvage and loot belongs to the quickest without flagging, that doesn't mean BTW that there should be flagging levels on loot and salvage just that it is free for the quickest but with upped scrap rates.
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Mad Maulkin
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Posted - 2009.09.06 20:20:00 -
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yeah, no, i agree with the other guy..bad idea.. fit a tractor and tug the can with you and its solved... and please, as a MR, i dont want more scrap, period!
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world
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Marguerite Antiki
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Posted - 2009.09.06 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: debbie harrio
good plan but it is still inconvenience for the ninja, the mission runner in his marauder can tractor more wrecks to him and salvage them as he is popping more, the ninja is still ninjaring, I'm not trying to implement this at all just throwing a little fuel on the fire
Buddy - your fuel is water and nothing flammable.
Most Salvagers have expanded cargo holds or can shuffle around to make room in flight, whereas a MR has ammo and crap already in their cargo hold. Plus, increasing the scrap metal will make myself and other salvagers happier as we have no worries "draggin" a can around.
Cause ya see, I do get stuck with scrap metal, heaps of it when I find a lvl 4 mission, so much that I need to jettison it, turn on my tractor beam, and drag the cargo container behind me.
OMG, whatÆs that ? I now have more room than the mission runner due to me having a slot for a tractor beam and the MR probably having a full complement of guns? ? !! !?//one11ONE?.
So the possible hypothetical outcome will be, Salvagers pack in Cargo expanders and keep going with what they have as scrap metal can be dragged and we only need one cargo container (not 50 jetted everywhere) OR, mission runners start to throw more stones as they may need to pack on a Salvager and a tractor beam so they can copy the salvagers just to try an keep up but at the expense of weapon loss.
Your idea is a bit flawed - while it is an idea and you based it one aspect, Salvagers will already find a way around it, I know cause I have had the experience and already worked around it.
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g0ggalor
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Posted - 2009.09.07 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: debbie harrio
good plan but it is still inconvenience for the ninja, the mission runner in his marauder can tractor more wrecks to him and salvage them as he is popping more, the ninja is still ninjaring, I'm not trying to implement this at all just throwing a little fuel on the fire
1- a ninja can simply not scan for marauders
2- a ninja can fit a tractor and haul a can around no problem if (s)crap metal is part of that salvage.
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HartzIV Kind
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Posted - 2009.09.10 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: HartzIV Kind on 10/09/2009 15:23:33 you can always say "FU" to the salvager by killing the wrecks right in front of him, i do that. its fun ;)
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Salliene
Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.09.10 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: HartzIV Kind Edited by: HartzIV Kind on 10/09/2009 15:23:33 you can always say "FU" to the salvager by killing the wrecks right in front of him, i do that. its fun ;)
You are so mean! How can you sleep at night??
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