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BunnyBuzzBunny
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Posted - 2009.09.30 07:01:00 -
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I don't know about the rest of the world but here in the United States if I wreck someone else' car I have to pay the full price of that car and own it in it's entirety. NOT just the CD changer(read as loot within the cargo). If someone goes to that car and takes the electrical system(read as equal to salvage.) I have legal avenues to follow for recourse. If someone goes to that car and takes the CD changer(read as loot in the cargo.) I have legal avenues to follow for recourse. The CD-changer and the wreck are considered to be all the same ownership. Nobody can run up and just load my wreck up on their rig and drive away with it. From a legal standpoint any item taken from that wreck(Including an Alloyed Tritanium Bar)would be an act of theft.(Is this different in the rest of the world? Comments?)
Wrecks are color coded. They are color coded to show ownership. This goes for wrecks that have things within the cargo and those that do not. If there was no ownership of a wreck then there would not be a need for color coding.(There is a warning message about theft of loot so the concept that it is a different color to protect people from accidently taking something is moot, bogus and weak at best.)
Why is it that in Eve I only own the CD changer? What if I own a salvaging company and what they are taking is how I make my living?(Read as I pay for an alt that does nothing BUT salvage behind me in missions that are done for my corp. My corp uses that salvage to make things and sell them thus thiefs are taking money from my corp. Maybe I shouldn't give CCP any money?)
Can someone from CCP actually vallidate this ignorace for me
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Lightningshade
Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.09.30 07:04:00 -
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don't be a re-tard. This is evidently a troll, or you need to be taken behind the barn, old yeller
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Auroral Borealis
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Posted - 2009.09.30 07:05:00 -
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Edited by: Auroral Borealis on 30/09/2009 07:05:46 for all the ppl who read this thread who are not trolls
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budum ching
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Signore Kaeota
Caldari Caelum Incognitum
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Posted - 2009.09.30 07:06:00 -
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In real life, if you hit someone's car with a missile you're gunna be in jail for a long, long time - get over it.
As if mission farmers don't get enough isk. -_-_-_-
I, Signore Kaeota, hereby apologise for any and all offence caused by the contents of this above post, and all others that I have written, or otherwise been responsible for.
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Stealnutz
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.09.30 07:07:00 -
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I predict this thread will go places never seen before....
Oh, and THIS IS GAME.
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BunnyBuzzBunny
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Posted - 2009.09.30 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Signore Kaeota In real life, if you hit someone's car with a missile you're gunna be in jail for a long, long time - get over it.
As if mission farmers don't get enough isk.
So we should suply the entire underbelly of s****with money?
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Signore Kaeota
Caldari Caelum Incognitum
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Posted - 2009.09.30 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny So we should suply the entire underbelly of s****with money?
No, you shouldn't draw a RL comparison with one half of an issue, then ignore the second half, aka, YOU JUST BLEW SOMETHING UP - last I checked, that's a hellova lot less legal than stealing a CD player or an engine.
And if your referring to my second comment, then I assume that's why your posting? As it's pretty much exclusively mission b*tches who have issues with ninja salvaging.
And who cares if you think their scum? It's a game, they play it the way they like - which just happens to make you cry, and us laugh. Does that make them scum? No, it makes you pathetic. -_-_-_-
I, Signore Kaeota, hereby apologise for any and all offence caused by the contents of this above post, and all others that I have written, or otherwise been responsible for.
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BunnyBuzzBunny
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Posted - 2009.09.30 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Auroral Borealis Edited by: Auroral Borealis on 30/09/2009 07:05:46 for all the ppl who read this thread who are not trolls
SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION SALVAGE IS A MINI PROFESSION
budum ching
Theivery is a miniprofession too.....and they get killed for it in some countries.
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Lightningshade
Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.09.30 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny
Theivery is a miniprofession too.....and they get killed for it in some countries.
Yes, but this is a game. Are you slow or soemthing?
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Draeca
Tharri and Co.
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Posted - 2009.09.30 07:21:00 -
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If I come and wreck your car, is the carwreck my property?
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BunnyBuzzBunny
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Posted - 2009.09.30 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Signore Kaeota
Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny So we should suply the entire underbelly of s****with money?
No, you shouldn't draw a RL comparison with one half of an issue, then ignore the second half, aka, YOU JUST BLEW SOMETHING UP - last I checked, that's a hellova lot less legal than stealing a CD player or an engine.
And if your referring to my second comment, then I assume that's why your posting? As it's pretty much exclusively mission b*tches who have issues with ninja salvaging.
And who cares if you think their scum? It's a game, they play it the way they like - which just happens to make you cry, and us laugh. Does that make them scum? No, it makes you pathetic.
And if you blow something up you are reqponsible for everything that you blew up and are expected to replace it to the full monetary value. In the case of mission running you are attacking criminals. Criminals that won't pay for their past actions. You are basically a hired bounty hunter.(Dirka Dirka.....that is why you get bounties....)
Only little girls with no life look at the arguement of law as tears......Statements like your remind me that there are a ton of little boys that haven't dipped mr. winky yet. But thank you for your tears of lacking any real life skills young one. They make me laugh.
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BunnyBuzzBunny
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Posted - 2009.09.30 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Draeca If I come and wreck your car, is the carwreck my property?
Yes and no. Your insurance company is more than likely, the one that will pay for and assume the ownership of the wrecked vehicle.
Although I have seen where a non-insured person was made responsible for their actions and paid for the wreck and was responsible for all aspects of its removal. Since they were at fault for the accident they did pay for the wreck and they did own the car.
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Signore Kaeota
Caldari Caelum Incognitum
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Posted - 2009.09.30 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny And if you blow something up you are reqponsible for everything that you blew up and are expected to replace it to the full monetary value. In the case of mission running you are attacking criminals. Criminals that won't pay for their past actions. You are basically a hired bounty hunter.(Dirka Dirka.....that is why you get bounties....)
Only little girls with no life look at the arguement of law as tears......Statements like your remind me that there are a ton of little boys that haven't dipped mr. winky yet. But thank you for your tears of lacking any real life skills young one. They make me laugh.
Ahh, so your argument is that if you shoot a criminal, you only get his stuff not his corpse? Or that if you go blow up a pirate ship you get to loot the wreck but can't take the ships engines? Hate to break it to you, both cases are 100% illegal, as is the mentioned bounty hunting.
No, I look at your attempt to twist the law to apply to your liking as tears. Though I do find the 'mr. winky' comment most amusing, and must congratulate you on that one. -_-_-_-
I, Signore Kaeota, hereby apologise for any and all offence caused by the contents of this above post, and all others that I have written, or otherwise been responsible for.
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Vyrk
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Posted - 2009.09.30 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny
Theivery is a miniprofession too.....and they get killed for it in some countries.
Yes and you are free to attack & kill anyone who has stolen from your wreck, to make them pay for what they have done.
Oh and you realize that this is game?
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BunnyBuzzBunny
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Posted - 2009.09.30 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Vyrk
Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny
Theivery is a miniprofession too.....and they get killed for it in some countries.
Yes and you are free to attack & kill anyone who has stolen from your wreck, to make them pay for what they have done.
Oh and you realize that this is game?
Yes I do realise this is a game. Do you realise that within this game there are several laws. And according to the current laws in the game you are wrong. If someone takes the electronics from the wreck they are perfectly allowed to do so with no recourse.
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Future Mutant
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.09.30 07:55:00 -
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YAAAAAAA! Another thread on ninja salvaging! we dont get enough of these!
Its a good thing we have whining on the forums as an option i mean its tons easier then actually COMPETING for your salvage.
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BunnyBuzzBunny
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Posted - 2009.09.30 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Signore Kaeota
Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny And if you blow something up you are reqponsible for everything that you blew up and are expected to replace it to the full monetary value. In the case of mission running you are attacking criminals. Criminals that won't pay for their past actions. You are basically a hired bounty hunter.(Dirka Dirka.....that is why you get bounties....)
Only little girls with no life look at the arguement of law as tears......Statements like your remind me that there are a ton of little boys that haven't dipped mr. winky yet. But thank you for your tears of lacking any real life skills young one. They make me laugh.
Ahh, so your argument is that if you shoot a criminal, you only get his stuff not his corpse? Or that if you go blow up a pirate ship you get to loot the wreck but can't take the ships engines? Hate to break it to you, both cases are 100% illegal, as is the mentioned bounty hunting.
No, I look at your attempt to twist the law to apply to your liking as tears. Though I do find the 'mr. winky' comment most amusing, and must congratulate you on that one.
Speaking of twisting you are doing that quite well with my words. Your first statement has nothing to do with anything that I said.
The podding system has a different set of laws applied to it already. (Your above arguement on corpse) Personally I think they should include corpse in the wrecks as there are never any pods flying away from them and DNA could be anything.(Including someone loving spaceflight a little too much.)
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BunnyBuzzBunny
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Posted - 2009.09.30 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Future Mutant YAAAAAAA! Another thread on ninja salvaging! we dont get enough of these!
Its a good thing we have whining on the forums as an option i mean its tons easier then actually COMPETING for your salvage.
For you, see the section above about dipping Mr. Winky.
For any other little boys out there that have something actually relevant to the conversation please say so. Please remember though that we have Crank Yankers on TV if we want to hear from Special ED.
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Jack Icegaard
The Omega Project
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Posted - 2009.09.30 08:02:00 -
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You own everything in the wreck except the content that can be extracted with a salvage module. That's not so hard to understand, right?
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Signore Kaeota
Caldari Caelum Incognitum
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Posted - 2009.09.30 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny Speaking of twisting you are doing that quite well with my words. Your first statement has nothing to do with anything that I said.
The podding system has a different set of laws applied to it already. (Your above arguement on corpse) Personally I think they should include corpse in the wrecks as there are never any pods flying away from them and DNA could be anything.(Including someone loving spaceflight a little too much.)
*sigh* my comments about bodies was drawing a parallel between the ship (wreck) / mods, and a person (body) / owned items. Was it that hard to understand? Though I agree, rats should drop some biomass =D
My point remains the same - you drew a comparison to RL, it was basically 'I kill a bad guy by blowing up his car, I get everything inside it, and the wreck', my point is 'No, you get 25 to life.' -_-_-_-
I, Signore Kaeota, hereby apologise for any and all offence caused by the contents of this above post, and all others that I have written, or otherwise been responsible for.
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zaxin diadrin
Minmatar The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2009.09.30 08:10:00 -
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Edited by: zaxin diadrin on 30/09/2009 08:11:48 Thing is....if it is YOUR car, maybe.
But, you just killed the guy who had the car, you have taken stuff from HIS car, and now you are upset that someone took his hubcaps?
If you wreck my car, you do not own MY car...you have to pay me for the repairs and or replacement of it, but my wreck does not belong to you, nor do the things inside my car.
I still hold the ownership of the car. You merely repay me for damage you have caused.
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Sidephex
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.09.30 08:21:00 -
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epic troll or epic whine?
YOU DECIDE!
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Yristor
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Posted - 2009.09.30 08:25:00 -
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The (only) good thing about this thread is that CCP has stated repeatedly that they will not change this mechanic, so the OP's futile ragetears will continue on into the future, forever...
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Ministers Of Destruction.
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Posted - 2009.09.30 08:28:00 -
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It's a game. Why are you applying real world laws. We fly through planets. .... and we're in space. Game mechanics dictate that wrecks are not items untill they are salvaged.
CCP have said this multiple times.
end of conversation.
sorry
a bigger issue for me is how easy it is for people to get their probing skills up, it took me ages before and I had to have loads of different probe types. Since then exploration has taken a nose dive and is worth a pittence :( --
If there's no profit to be made you need to travel further afield.
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MIND SCR4MBLER
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Posted - 2009.09.30 08:34:00 -
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"blah blah blah sad look at legality".
Ok nubcakes, its like this. You dont go round "salvaging" cars.
heres a clue, when NASA decided they were going to go to space, they decided the most appropriate ppls was the navy aviators. as such "space" as always been regarding the preserve of the navy therefore the sea, "astro NAUT" as in NAUTICAL is the give away here. caldari navy, gallente navy, thats also a bit of a clue for you.
the fact that they are called "ships" and named after ship classes "frigate, destroyer, cruiser, battleship, battlecruiser etc" is more evidence of this sea-faring tradition of the space. You can also look at such references in star trek (they all carry naval ranks, captain, admirail etc) and there is a historical ships wheel in the state room of the enterprise. i digress.
Still with me? PAY ATTENTION NOW Y'HEAR!
CCP rule on salvage therefore follows the law on salvage at sea. if you find a wreck in the sea, ooh say the titanic or a spanish galleon full of treasure then under international maritime laws its yours to claim.
Now lets say said wreck is the bismarck. sunk by the british navy in 1943. carebear emowhiner would shout "no! you cannot salvage thee wreck, belongeth to me, the british navy!" when in reality salvaging is done by hardy folk on specialist salvage vessels with lots of expensive diving and recovery gear, principally on account of the fact the navyz of the world consider it their bizness to blow up teh ships and not recoverz the lootz which is left for seafaring salvage monkeys and treasure hunters. After all if the british navy was so bothered by salvage why did they leave so much gold at the bottom of the carribbean eh?
So before you come here spouting about "those darn CCP and there lack of legal morals", i suggest you avail yourself of free trip to library and look up the international maritime laws of salvage, on which all future laws of space will no doubt be based.
So what we have here is validation of your ignorance OP, and not CCP's.
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InYerThread
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Posted - 2009.09.30 08:38:00 -
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Postin in a 'salvage should cause agro' troll thread..
Also, in the situation above, if someone smashed in to your car and then someone else stole your wreck im pretty sure the local police wouldn't allow you to shoot that person dead for it... Game law doesn't work in real life, why should real life law work in a game...
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Lord Cath
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Posted - 2009.09.30 08:43:00 -
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THIS IS GAME, bro...
not real life
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BunnyBuzzBunny
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Posted - 2009.09.30 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: MIND SCR4MBLER Edited by: MIND SCR4MBLER on 30/09/2009 08:36:27 "blah blah blah sad look at legality".
Ok nubcakes, its like this. You dont go round "salvaging" cars.
heres a clue, when NASA decided they were going to go to space, they decided the most appropriate ppls was the navy aviators. as such "space" as always been regarding the preserve of the navy therefore the sea, "astro NAUT" as in NAUTICAL is the give away here. caldari navy, gallente navy, thats also a bit of a clue for you.
the fact that they are called "ships" and named after ship classes "frigate, destroyer, cruiser, battleship, battlecruiser etc" is more evidence of this sea-faring tradition of the space. You can also look at such references in star trek (they all carry naval ranks, captain, admirail etc) and there is a historical ships wheel in the state room of the enterprise. i digress.
Still with me? PAY ATTENTION NOW Y'HEAR!
CCP rule on salvage therefore follows the law on salvage at sea. if you find a wreck in the sea, ooh say the titanic or a spanish galleon full of treasure then under international maritime laws its yours to claim.
Now lets say said wreck is the bismarck. sunk by the british navy in 1943. carebear emowhiner would shout "no! you cannot salvage thee wreck, belongeth to me, the british navy!" when in reality salvaging is done by hardy folk on specialist salvage vessels with lots of expensive diving and recovery gear, principally on account of the fact the navyz of the world consider it their bizness to blow up teh ships and not recoverz the lootz which is left for seafaring salvage monkeys and treasure hunters. After all if the british navy was so bothered by salvage why did they leave so much gold at the bottom of the carribbean eh?
So before you come here spouting about "those darn CCP and there lack of legal morals", i suggest you avail yourself of free trip to library and look up the international maritime laws of salvage, on which all future laws of space will no doubt be based.
So what we have here is validation of your ignorance OP, and not CCP's.
official law on salvage therefore "finders keepers, losers emoragetearers, or quite simply first to the wreck wins"
You are so wise nubcakes pighumper.....The ENTIRE wreck....Including all the contents is the ownership of the salvager. It doesn't work half way with "Oh.....I still own what is inside of the ship" bs.
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Haramir Haleths
Caldari Nutella Bande
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Posted - 2009.09.30 08:46:00 -
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To stay with your argumentation .... In the US or elsewhere in the world, you will go to jail if you shoot someone in his car and loot or salvage the wreck.
Things works different in New Eden ....
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Signore Kaeota
Caldari Caelum Incognitum
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Posted - 2009.09.30 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny You are so wise nubcakes pighumper.....The ENTIRE wreck....Including all the contents is the ownership of the salvager. It doesn't work half way with "Oh.....I still own what is inside of the ship" bs.
So... why aren't you asking for free loot rules, where it all belongs to the 'salvager', instead of the one who made the kill, if you're so determined that eve laws should reflect RL? -_-_-_-
I, Signore Kaeota, hereby apologise for any and all offence caused by the contents of this above post, and all others that I have written, or otherwise been responsible for.
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