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MIND SCR4MBLER	Posted - 2009.10.01 16:41:00 - [91] Originally by: Paul Clavet Originally by: MIND SCR4MBLER 6: to keep the ninjas happy make a T2 salvage boat using something like a HAC hull but with salvager bonuses, make it epically fast, a great tank and enough gank to do violence on a mission doer if they so desire to engage in combat. And then nobody will actually engage us in combat. No thanks. if history has taught us anything, its that stupid people outnumber the clever, there will always been some emoraging carebear who thinks because his epic multibilliondollar pimpwagen can tank a room full of sanshas then your puny hac will crumble to dust. you are unlikely to ever engage anyone who knows what they are doing as it stands anyways so you will just be more effective in both salvaging and griefing.
Trebor Quadrillion	Posted - 2009.10.01 20:32:00 - [92] I agree with the fact that theft isn't more a crime in Eve. But since this game was designed and developed by sad liberals who have no clue of crime and punishment, hence the system. Just like rl, good guys finish last and get no respect and bad guys are rewarded. I think security ratings should be changed to make it very hard to hang in hi-sec areas. There should be "no tolerance" with criminals, no wonder the militia warfare is not going well, I wouldn't trust half the pilots in the militias these days.
Paul Clavet Honorless Internet Jerks	Posted - 2009.10.01 21:21:00 - [93] Originally by: Trebor Quadrillion I agree with the fact that theft isn't more a crime in Eve. But since this game was designed and developed by sad liberals who have no clue of crime and punishment, hence the system. Just like rl, good guys finish last and get no respect and bad guys are rewarded. I think security ratings should be changed to make it very hard to hang in hi-sec areas. There should be "no tolerance" with criminals, no wonder the militia warfare is not going well, I wouldn't trust half the pilots in the militias these days. I bolded the hilarious part, with the rest just being the stupid part. Eve is basically a Randian paradise. You're a whiner who wants other people to enforce your vision of the perfect carebear nirvana for you. In that, you're a moocher and, if I may say so, your tears sustain me. ---- Blog: My Loot, Your Tears
Doktor Feeelgoood	Posted - 2009.10.01 21:26:00 - [94] Edited by: Doktor Feeelgoood on 01/10/2009 21:26:01 it's funny how dumb americans can be sometimes. "in the u s of a the law is like this, why is it not like this anywhere else in the world (or vidja games)? we rule everything and everybody should be like us. now let's go raid the middle east yeehaw!"
dr doooo	Posted - 2009.10.01 21:48:00 - [95] Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny Edited by: BunnyBuzzBunny on 30/09/2009 09:06:07 I don't know about the rest of the world but here in the United States Why is it that I only ever see Americans on these forums who compare Eve to their country/legal system, and think that the game should be changed mimic it. (I won't even go there as far as 'I don't know about the rest of the world') Come on.. this is a game. If you can't even open your mind to slightly different ways/rules of being in a video game.... But since we are so hung up on real life, I'd recommend a few weeks/months in a different country, preferably somewhere in South America, Africa or the far east (and I mean as an individual, without a uniform and a gun). PS . '3. I am asking for someone from CCP to validate. If you aren't from CCP....I don't care what you have to say.' Judging by normal standards, I'd have to assume you are a troll, but in the context of the whole thread, I think it is possible that you may just be very narrow minded and not the sharpest blade, so I will humour you. I can't quite believe I am spelling this out but.. this is the c & p discussions forum, you are looking for the petitions system further down the menu to your left.
dr doooo	Posted - 2009.10.01 22:28:00 - [96] Originally by: Dawts You guys get trolled so easy. It's actually kind of sad. I am guessing you are either relatively young, or live in a rarefied existence of smart colleagues and friends. If this guy was a troll, he would still be hitting this 'success' thread as hard as ever, rather than gradually melting away. If you put on a few years, or get out a bit more, you will realise that half the people out there are of below average intelligence, but that does not preclude them from being angry or arrogant.
Bongo Debbie Minmatar Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2009.10.01 22:47:00 - [97] I assume everyone is thick, and of course there is nobody but Americans on the internets. ----
JordanParey Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.10.02 01:29:00 - [98] Originally by: MIND SCR4MBLER pimpwagen
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2009.10.02 01:37:00 - [99] Originally by: dr doooo Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny Edited by: BunnyBuzzBunny on 30/09/2009 09:06:07 I don't know about the rest of the world but here in the United States Why is it that I only ever see Americans on these forums who compare Eve to their country/legal system, and think that the game should be changed mimic it. (I won't even go there as far as 'I don't know about the rest of the world') Come on.. this is a game. If you can't even open your mind to slightly different ways/rules of being in a video game.... But since we are so hung up on real life, I'd recommend a few weeks/months in a different country, preferably somewhere in South America, Africa or the far east (and I mean as an individual, without a uniform and a gun). PS . '3. I am asking for someone from CCP to validate. If you aren't from CCP....I don't care what you have to say.' Judging by normal standards, I'd have to assume you are a troll, but in the context of the whole thread, I think it is possible that you may just be very narrow minded and not the sharpest blade, so I will humour you. I can't quite believe I am spelling this out but.. this is the c & p discussions forum, you are looking for the petitions system further down the menu to your left. It's because Americans are pompus *******s who think they are better than everyone else and can dictate what the rest of the world should be doing. (and yes I live in the United States) If I could move to a different country, I would...This country is the most self centered, materialistic, egotistical load of crap on the planet.
Lana's Alt Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.02 01:42:00 - [100] WTB: epictrollisepic.gif Animated would be better than not... Istvaan Shogaatsu: As with most such situations the answer is simple: rob them first.

KillUJim	Posted - 2009.10.02 03:21:00 - [101] Its Threads like this which keep Ninja's and Pirates do what they do. The Carebear tears shed here are of the highest quality and quantity. good job to whoever it was that extracted them!
Lucia Wilber Native Freshfood	Posted - 2009.10.02 03:51:00 - [102] Edited by: Lucia Wilber on 02/10/2009 03:54:25 (Yes, I know he's a troll, and a complete moron, but I'm gonna feed the troll because I'm bored...) You keep throwing the word "LAW" around in reference to the laws in EVE and trying (and failing) to compare them to real world laws, so let me set you straight, since this has been validated by CCP more times than anyone on Earth can count. EVE takes place in a FANTASY universe. Thus, the laws there can differ from the ones here on Earth. With me so far? I hope so. The LAWS in the EVE universe state that when you destroy a ship, all of the modules and components that SURVIVED THE EXPLOSION in tact (i.e. the loot) are legally yours. If someone steals any of these, you are legally allowed to destroy their ship. Still with me? Okay. HOWEVER, the law ALSO states that any damaged components that are SALVAGABLE within the wreck are NOT yours, but are the property of whomever salvages them. Just because a law in a FAKE, FANTASY UNIVERSE do not make sense to YOU when you try to compare them to real life does NOT suddenly make it invalid. This is the way the law in the EVE universe works. Get used to it, and stop making completely invalid, baseless comparisons to real life. That's stupid. Also, by your lame "I blow up a car but only get the CD player?" logic, that would mean that, since in real life you have to PAY for the car you destroyed before the parts are yours, you're saying we should have to pay the pirate a salvage fee before we can loot his wreck? What? Yeah, you're an idiot.
Warrio GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.10.02 04:45:00 - [103] While is saddens me deeply and stretches my faith in humanity I'm thinking that the op was actually not trolling. -
Lucia Wilber Native Freshfood	Posted - 2009.10.02 04:50:00 - [104] If he wasn't trolling, it means he was trying to use EVE and CCP's stance on a game's legal system as a political platform so he could spew anti-liberal crap. ...really? He's saying that CCP is run by liberals because they have a game that is relatively lawless. ...a game. THIS IS GAME!
Humuhumunukunukuapua'a	Posted - 2009.10.02 10:31:00 - [105] i was gonna read all psots, but short on time. i personally think it should start aggression from salvaging wrecks. i dont actually mission, i do ninja salvage though. and if some one agresses me in my salvager, i want to shoot him and kill him. so...aggression to me would be a nice thing, because it would give me the chance to smack that CNR out of existance while he is running his EA 5 of 5. of course, i loot the wrecks as well...but still. i am always game for ore and easier ways to get aggression. but, im also satisfied with current system. if you dont like ninja salvagers...do it yourself, and faster. not their fault they found a way to piggy back off a carebears back.
Riedle	Posted - 2009.10.02 12:01:00 - [106] Edited by: Riedle on 02/10/2009 12:02:17 Originally by: dr doooo Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny Edited by: BunnyBuzzBunny on 30/09/2009 09:06:07 I don't know about the rest of the world but here in the United States Why is it that I only ever see Americans on these forums who compare Eve to their country/legal system, and think that the game should be changed mimic it. (I won't even go there as far as 'I don't know about the rest of the world') Come on.. this is a game. If you can't even open your mind to slightly different ways/rules of being in a video game.... But since we are so hung up on real life, I'd recommend a few weeks/months in a different country, preferably somewhere in South America, Africa or the far east (and I mean as an individual, without a uniform and a gun). You know what's even dumber than the OP? Judging an individual based on what country they are from. Oh, and inferring you are a well travelled genius on the Internets is so 2004.
Smiling Menace Gallente Crimson Paradox	Posted - 2009.10.02 12:50:00 - [107] Wonder which 'laws' the OP would apply to COD4?
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.02 12:52:00 - [108] Originally by: JordanParey Originally by: MIND SCR4MBLER pimpwagen I want that pimpwagen --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Kalain ap'Sulen	Posted - 2009.10.02 13:55:00 - [109] Originally by: Humuhumunukunukuapua'a i personally think it should start aggression from salvaging wrecks. i dont actually mission, i do ninja salvage though. This.
Traidor Disloyal Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.10.02 14:16:00 - [110] Originally by: Barakkus If I could move to a different country, I would...This country is the most self centered, materialistic, egotistical load of crap on the planet. If you have the money it's real easy to get a passport at the post office. And it's cheap to get a airline ticket to another country. Or are you one of those lazy Americans who don't want to work? ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.

soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2009.10.02 14:36:00 - [111] Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny Edited by: BunnyBuzzBunny on 30/09/2009 09:06:07 Before you start to post here.... 1. This is not an issue about shooting someone. There are already laws about that in the game. 2. Don't twist my words on the subject. It only makes you look like you just can't comprehend. 3. I am asking for someone from CCP to validate. If you aren't from CCP....I don't care what you have to say. I don't know about the rest of the world but here in the United States if I wreck someone else' car I have to pay the full price of that car and own it in it's entirety. NOT just the CD changer(read as loot within the cargo). If someone goes to that car and takes the electrical system(read as equal to salvage.) I have legal avenues to follow for recourse. If someone goes to that car and takes the CD changer(read as loot in the cargo.) I have legal avenues to follow for recourse. The CD-changer and the wreck are considered to be all the same ownership. Nobody can run up and just load my wreck up on their rig and drive away with it. From a legal standpoint any item taken from that wreck(Including an Alloyed Tritanium Bar)would be an act of theft.(Is this different in the rest of the world? Comments?) Wrecks are color coded. They are color coded to show ownership. This goes for wrecks that have things within the cargo and those that do not. If there was no ownership of a wreck then there would not be a need for color coding.(There is a warning message about theft of loot so the concept that it is a different color to protect people from accidently taking something is moot, bogus and weak at best.) Why is it that in Eve I only own the CD changer? What if I own a salvaging company and what they are taking is how I make my living?(Read as I pay for an alt that does nothing BUT salvage behind me in missions that are done for my corp. My corp uses that salvage to make things and sell them thus thiefs are taking money from my corp. Maybe I shouldn't give CCP any money?) Can someone from CCP actually vallidate this ignorace for me Hold on, since when if you wreck someone else's car do you OWN that car? Idiotic Real Life comparison. If you want to go by your logic, then the wreck should technically belong to the rat you just killed, it's his ship you just popped, why should you get ownership? Whine Whine Whine Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2009.10.02 14:51:00 - [112] So where in the last 100 years or so have you actually learned that insulting our culture and our way of life is going to STOP us. You guys are like the wanna-be bullies that pick on the nerds at school, then that nerd actually kicks someone's ass, and guess what, the more you do it, well. . . . . . let's just say, that nerd might finally decide to bring a gun to school to shut everyone up Originally by: JordanParey Originally by: MIND SCR4MBLER pimpwagen Needs a Browning .50cal on the top and it would be perfect Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
KapnKaboom School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.10.02 16:06:00 - [113] Wow! After seeing all the emoragetears here I think I'm going to have to try out this ninja salvaging, just for the lulz.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.10.02 16:25:00 - [114] Originally by: KapnKaboom Wow! After seeing all the emoragetears here I think I'm going to have to try out this ninja salvaging, just for the lulz. The one good aspect of these endless salvage tear threads.
Laruant Wiggins Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.02 16:28:00 - [115] Originally by: KapnKaboom Wow! After seeing all the emoragetears here I think I'm going to have to try out this ninja salvaging, just for the lulz. Yep, I was looking for something else to try.
Kalain ap'Sulen Amarr Dirt Nap Squad	Posted - 2009.10.02 17:44:00 - [116] Originally by: KapnKaboom Wow! After seeing all the emoragetears here I think I'm going to have to try out this ninja salvaging, just for the lulz. I'll take this opportunity to toot someone else's horn for them. The Usual Bunch of Idiots (TUBOI), while not carrying on its merc/empire wardecing, has stepped from its GHO can-flipping heritage into perfecting ninja salvaging into an art form that has led to the destruction of countless battleships in their local systems ( including a Golem and a Kronos. If you want pointers on this activity I highly recommend their CEO Damorris Laht or Alexei Antonov. Quando ami flunkus morti.
FOl2TY8 Red Federation	Posted - 2009.10.02 18:50:00 - [117] This thread went from ninja salvaging to RL international relations surprisingly fast. I want the next salvaging thread to be about teaching abstinence only by the end of page 3 please. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
Bongo Debbie Minmatar Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2009.10.02 19:09:00 - [118] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Needs a Browning .50cal on the top and it would be perfect Yeah I was bored enough ----
Zeek Muaka Caldari Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.02 19:31:00 - [119] I totally agree with OP. We mission runners get Mission Rewards, including isk, standings, items, and loyalty points. We also get bounties from killed pirates, we get loot, BUT SOMETIMES WE DON'T GET THE SALVAGE! OH MY GOD CCP! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! WE DO ALL THAT HARD WORK INVOLVING SOME RIGHT CLICKS, F KEYS AND GOING AFK, FOR ONLY 40 MIL ISK AN HOUR?! FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU- /SarcasticEmoRaging
The Crushah Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.10.02 19:46:00 - [120] Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: dr doooo Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny Edited by: BunnyBuzzBunny on 30/09/2009 09:06:07 I don't know about the rest of the world but here in the United States Why is it that I only ever see Americans on these forums who compare Eve to their country/legal system, and think that the game should be changed mimic it. (I won't even go there as far as 'I don't know about the rest of the world') Come on.. this is a game. If you can't even open your mind to slightly different ways/rules of being in a video game.... But since we are so hung up on real life, I'd recommend a few weeks/months in a different country, preferably somewhere in South America, Africa or the far east (and I mean as an individual, without a uniform and a gun). PS . '3. I am asking for someone from CCP to validate. If you aren't from CCP....I don't care what you have to say.' Judging by normal standards, I'd have to assume you are a troll, but in the context of the whole thread, I think it is possible that you may just be very narrow minded and not the sharpest blade, so I will humour you. I can't quite believe I am spelling this out but.. this is the c & p discussions forum, you are looking for the petitions system further down the menu to your left. It's because Americans are pompus *******s who think they are better than everyone else and can dictate what the rest of the world should be doing. (and yes I live in the United States) If I could move to a different country, I would...This country is the most self centered, materialistic, egotistical load of crap on the planet. Ya know who I hate? Belgians! Stupid Flanders.



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