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Jacko Binary
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Posted - 2009.10.03 11:08:00 -
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I run missions. I don't salvage, and rarely loot. Why is this such a big deal? If you don't want "ninjas" attacking stuff in your missions. Blow it up. Laser fire is free.
If I was to change anything having to do with "ninjas" it would be to give aggressive behavior in high security systems a slight bump in Concord standings. Like 0.01% or something. It would limit how long people could act all tough while stealing from little care bear miners, before you had to venture out into lower security systems.
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g0ggalor
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Posted - 2009.10.03 18:44:00 -
[122]
 Originally by: Jacko Binary
If I was to change anything having to do with "ninjas" it would be to give aggressive behavior in high security systems a slight bump in Concord standings. Like 0.01% or something. It would limit how long people could act all tough while stealing from little care bear miners, before you had to venture out into lower security systems.
I guess mining a roid should incur a security hit too eh?
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Awesome Possum
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2009.10.03 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jacko Binary
If I was to change anything having to do with "ninjas" it would be to give aggressive behavior in high security systems a slight bump in Concord standings. Like 0.01% or something. It would limit how long people could act all tough while stealing from little care bear miners, before you had to venture out into lower security systems.
I have a +5 status... bring it.
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Deimona
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Posted - 2009.10.03 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Deimona on 03/10/2009 19:55:20
Most countries would consider an attempt to salvage one of their navy's ships after it sank as piracy or an outright act of war. And in the event they sank an enemy ship during wartime they would probably consider any salvage to be the property of their navy (and therefore any attempt to take it would be theft/piracy/act of war).
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Awesome Possum
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2009.10.03 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Deimona
Edited by: Deimona on 03/10/2009 19:55:20
Most countries would consider an attempt to salvage one of their navy's ships after it sank as piracy or an outright act of war. And in the event they sank an enemy ship during wartime they would probably consider any salvage to be the property of their navy (and therefore any attempt to take it would be theft/piracy/act of war).
proof or ess tee eff ewe
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Brechan Skene
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Posted - 2009.10.03 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Deimona
Edited by: Deimona on 03/10/2009 19:55:20
Most countries would consider an attempt to salvage one of their navy's ships after it sank as piracy or an outright act of war. And in the event they sank an enemy ship during wartime they would probably consider any salvage to be the property of their navy (and therefore any attempt to take it would be theft/piracy/act of war).
So you are saying there are no private companies that make money from salvaging ship wrecks in real life
Click the link below. Then check out the info about the Black Swan.
Real Ninja Salvagers
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Commander Predator
Kinky Killing Kleptomaniacs
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.10.03 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny
Maybe I shouldn't give CCP any money?)
CCP doesnt care about your 1 account or maybe more... fact is, they want you carebears out of empire and into 0.0, where if you die you can actually do sometihng about someone "stealing" your wreck... which is, god forbid, fight for it.
Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny
I don't know about the rest of the world but here in the United States if I wreck someone else' car I have to pay the full price of that car and own it in it's entirety.
in eve, when you wreck someone elses ship your doing it specifically for the loot and salvage inside, the fun of watching carebears like you cry, and ofc the killmail.
Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny
Wrecks are color coded. They are color coded to show ownership.
well the way i play eve, their color coded to do a quick check on my overview of how many friendlies and hostiles died, if ccp cared about ownership of the wreck, other people wouldnt be able to loot it.
so basically what im trying to say is.... stop being a carebear, be a pvper, fight for your stuff, have fun, dont make silly forum posts about this, and also - move out of empire cause empire is boring
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Deimona
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Posted - 2009.10.04 02:00:00 -
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Finding an abandoned vessel at sea or along the shoreline, for example, does not give the mariner the automatic right to salvage the vessel, nor does it give them an ownership interest in the property if they recover it.
The real problem isn't that ninja-salvagers can salvage wrecks, its that they can't be shot for it. The salvage is usually worth more than the loot and should fall under the same aggression rules as looting. Otherwise your only option is to shoot wrecks you would've came back in a salvage ship for.
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AdmiralJohn
Gallente
The Unknown Bar and Pub
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Posted - 2009.10.04 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Deimona
Finding an abandoned vessel at sea or along the shoreline, for example, does not give the mariner the automatic right to salvage the vessel, nor does it give them an ownership interest in the property if they recover it.
The real problem isn't that ninja-salvagers can salvage wrecks, its that they can't be shot for it. The salvage is usually worth more than the loot and should fall under the same aggression rules as looting. Otherwise your only option is to shoot wrecks you would've came back in a salvage ship for.
When people stop posting garbage like this the world will be a better place. There are several thousand posts from CCP saying why this isn't so, I suggest you read them.
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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
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Posted - 2009.10.04 03:29:00 -
[130]
What a stupid thread. OP should be locked up for forum crimes.
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Mediastinum
Evolution
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.04 03:59:00 -
[131]
Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny
Edited by: BunnyBuzzBunny on 30/09/2009 09:06:07
3. I am asking for someone from CCP to validate. If you aren't from CCP.....
I don't know about the rest of the world but here in the United States .......<snippy>.......
Can someone from CCP actually vallidate this ignorace for me
CCP is based out of Iceland, and therefore are not subject to the laws of the United States. That being said, and since they created this game, I am pretty sure they can do whatever they want, and you will still pay $14.95 US. CCP: Validate this, please.
And it is spelled ignorance, thank you, not that you care what I have to say, but if you are going to use a word, then don't be the word.
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2009.10.04 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny
Originally by: Draeca
If I come and wreck your car, is the carwreck my property?
Yes and no. Your insurance company is more than likely, the one that will pay for and assume the ownership of the wrecked vehicle.
Although I have seen where a non-insured person was made responsible for their actions and paid for the wreck and was responsible for all aspects of its removal. Since they were at fault for the accident they did pay for the wreck and they did own the car.
So you are making an argument that mission runners should be made to pay for the wrecks they create as well as an argument for their ownership of them.
Bring it on I say.. 
I has 17 XBOX can I get sov ??
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Villa Wolfsbane
Amarr
Locusts.
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Posted - 2009.10.04 09:12:00 -
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And, naturally, even in the case where a person assumes ownership of the wreck, the property of the victim, the "loot" if you will, remains the property of the victim, and they will remove anything they wish from the wreck.
Of course, this is such a red herring, and, as another poster said earlier - if you blow up someone else's car with a missile or other weapon - even deliberately ramming them, the police (or Concord if you wish), *will* come down on you hard.
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The biggest problem that I can see with the Salvaging career in Eve, is that wrecks are not probable, despite being an option on the system scanner page. One earlier poster for instance, said he never salvages his missions - thus after he's been missioning for a while, there's wrecks littered everywhere in space that *noone* can find to salvage.
Correcting this by allowing wrecks to be probed down would be a nice boost to the salvaging profession.
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Sungas
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Posted - 2009.10.04 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: Sungas on 04/10/2009 15:48:38
Edited by: Sungas on 04/10/2009 15:47:49
I like to salvage my own missions. I'm not going to cry to CCP when others steal "my" wrecks though.
I treat it like a crime scene and the floating cargo containers of scrap metal are easily traced to their originator. There is a game mechanic where I can adjust standings. I set ninjas to -10. I add them to my buddy list. I have a buddy category just for them.
See? I'm not asking CCP to change the rules.
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BunnyBuzzBunny
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Posted - 2009.10.09 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tom Peeping
Edited by: Tom Peeping on 30/09/2009 14:09:13
Oh.... and if we really wanted to make salvage rules consistent with real world here's how to actually change it.
Your example of a car is not valid, because it pertains to something you had ownership of before it was wrecked and you have not "abandoned" it. In the real world, if you came across true abandoned salvage, then it belongs to the first salvager who lays claim to it. Even if the original owner came back and decided to claim it again, if a valid case was made that it met the criteria for being abandoned salvage, then the salvager would still have a good chance at being granted the salvage despite the original owners wish.(INCORRECT....I was referring to when YOU run into someone else' car. You have to pay for their car. please don't twist my words.)
To actually make salvage consistent with the real world, CCP should simply make it "belong" to the first person to go up to it and take it (i.e. exert a claim). Of course, if they in their turn abandon it, it becomes salvage again, not property. If CCP would only do this simple step, then we would have consistency with the real world for those who are begging for it... oh wait... that's what the rules we already have!!! OMGWTF!!!(Again.....the loot should follow the wreck....Both being salvage)
We could take the simple route, of acknowledging that the current rules are actually pretty close to real world rules, with a slight edge to the carebear/noob side (since the loot isn't treated as salvage, and the thief type characters can't tractor beam all wrecks). Isn't "close" to real world, with a slight edge to the noobish side, exactly what the game should be for the professions that noobs will be doing?(You can't tractor wrecks that don't belong to you.......Hmmmmm....Wreck ownership?)
I think what confuses people here, is that the rules which define "abandoning" in the real world, can't really be applied to the game. In the real world, there are specific criteria which constitute "abandonment" of salvage, which then makes it free to any salvager, regardless of the original owner. In game - Sure we could say "abandonment" would be leaving the mission... but don't forget that the same rules have to be applicable to player PVP wrecks, to plex wrecks, to belt wrecks... to all sorts of things. In the real world, there are a lot of specific rules which apply to different circumstances. In the game world however, a lot of specific rules for different circumstances equals increased complexity, increased chances of something going wrong, and in many circumstances, increased lag.... all things CCP considers MUCH more important to focus on. The current system of salvage, is actually an extrememly close approximation of the the real world rules, but with the benefit of simplicity.
Never said anything about abandonment....please learn to read. Thank you
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BunnyBuzzBunny
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Posted - 2009.10.09 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sergiiy Kortos
i WISH salvaging flagged me to the mission runner :(
Why? Are you too cowardly to take something out of the wreck?
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BunnyBuzzBunny
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Posted - 2009.10.09 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Terranid Meester
What a stupid thread. OP should be locked up for forum crimes.
Just as you should be locked up for that FANTABULOUS haircut.
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Varesk
Gallente
Maelstrom Crew
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Posted - 2009.10.09 06:13:00 -
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let me help you out with this.
its ccps game.
they say i can salvage the wrecks you leave in space.
/thread.
w0w is that way =====>
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Lord Buckethead
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Posted - 2009.10.09 07:36:00 -
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My biggest issue with these people are, the fact that they call themself "pirates" when in fact they are nothing more than safe looters not willing to take a risk . I bet every pirate in eve rolles his/her eyes everytime he hears about these attention W....
As long as CCP allows this, we will see more and more of these kids joining the game, but know for sure they aint here for your isk but only to crave your attention and **** ya off a safe way they dont dare with their own parents fearing the smack up they most likly will receive.
Shoot your wrecks and ignore them in local and maybe they go back to "The game that canŠt be mentioned"
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Multipurpose Cleaner
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Posted - 2009.10.09 07:54:00 -
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Edited by: Multipurpose Cleaner on 09/10/2009 07:55:32
Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny
Originally by: Sergiiy Kortos
i WISH salvaging flagged me to the mission runner :(
Why? Are you too cowardly to take something out of the wreck?
Quoting reading comprehension fail
Originally by: Lord Buckethead
My biggest issue with these people are, the fact that they call themself "pirates" when in fact they are nothing more than safe looters not willing to take a risk . I bet every pirate in eve rolles his/her eyes everytime he hears about these attention W....
As long as CCP allows this, we will see more and more of these kids joining the game, but know for sure they aint here for your isk but only to crave your attention and **** ya off a safe way they dont dare with their own parents fearing the smack up they most likly will receive.
Shoot your wrecks and ignore them in local and maybe they go back to "The game that canŠt be mentioned"
Says the mission runner complaining about interaction with others. WTB irony 
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BunnyBuzzBunny
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Posted - 2009.10.09 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Varesk
let me help you out with this.
its ccps game.
they say i can salvage the wrecks you leave in space.
/thread.
w0w is that way =====>
Let me help you out with this.
Its CCPS game.
They say we can get changes through discussion.
Yo momma is that way =====>
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BunnyBuzzBunny
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Posted - 2009.10.09 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Multipurpose Cleaner
Edited by: Multipurpose Cleaner on 09/10/2009 07:55:32
Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny
Originally by: Sergiiy Kortos
i WISH salvaging flagged me to the mission runner :(
Why? Are you too cowardly to take something out of the wreck?
Quoting reading comprehension fail
No....I understood him to say that he wished salvaging would flag him....as if it would be so much more work to get flagged.....I guess it was truly a useless rattling of ignorance. Maybe a cry for help....You know..."Look at me Look at me Look at me.....See what I can do!"(Does stupid body spasm move from mad TV)
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BunnyBuzzBunny
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Posted - 2009.10.09 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Doktor Feeelgoood
Edited by: Doktor Feeelgoood on 01/10/2009 21:26:01
it's funny how dumb americans can be sometimes. "in the u s of a the law is like this, why is it not like this anywhere else in the world (or vidja games)? we rule everything and everybody should be like us. now let's go raid the middle east yeehaw!"
Look at you...a ****** that does not understand that the american stated quite clearly that this may not be the case in your country. But most of the rest of the world hopes that your country will be able to catch up in the comprehension field soon. You need some help. (Why all the rage against Americans......Are you jealous? If so of what?)
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Lucia Antonius
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.09 10:21:00 -
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soldieroffortune 258:
"ZOMGShockedRolling EyesShocked (sorry, result of wrong quoting method), illiterate ignorant, lazy non-American you!!! You can't spell DOCTOR, its C not K you ignorant undeducated ******.
I Hate Ignorant people like you, and uneducated.
Stupid Ignorant people . . . . . . .
(Did I use the word ignorant enough? or uneducated? maybe I should have used illiterate a few more times huh?) Dumbass."
Why you say others are "ignorant" or "uneducated" if they use K instead of C in word "doctor"? Its absolutely correct in German and Swedish for example... didn't have time to check all languages in world...
And if you bother to activate your brains you would propably notice that name of that "ignorant" and "uneducated" person is not serious. "Doktor FeeelGoood"? Do you really think that every name in EVE should be serious? (I don't mean to insult you Doktor)
Oh and please don't whine about grammar.
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SDragoon
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Posted - 2009.10.09 10:21:00 -
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CCP has already mentioned that they aren't a big fan of the level 4 high sec grinding as it wasn't exactly what they had in mind. Maybe when salvage came in they decided to keep it neutral just to add a bit more to carebears' agenda then shooting rats all day in their carefree CNR that can just perma run a booster and tank 1k damage?
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Vanzatoarea
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Posted - 2009.10.09 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny
Originally by: Sergiiy Kortos
i WISH salvaging flagged me to the mission runner :(
Why? Are you too cowardly to take something out of the wreck?
here`s a deal , whenever you find someone in your mission , tell him this , he`ll get angry and loot something , trust me , griefers do that , then you can pop him and be done witth him
/sarcasm off
i hope you`re trolling mate , my faith in mankind is allready faltering . In case you arent , well....i`d throw some insults your way but i doubt you can grasp anything above yomama ...so have a nice day and PLEASE dont contribute to the genepool...ever
fake edit : suporting chemical castration
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Lucia Antonius
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.09 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny
Originally by: Varesk
let me help you out with this.
its ccps game.
they say i can salvage the wrecks you leave in space.
/thread.
w0w is that way =====>
Let me help you out with this.
Its CCPS game.
They say we can get changes through discussion.
Yo momma is that way =====>
Yes, in theory. Whatever you are in wrong place with this thread. Ideas & Suggestions or something like that is correct place - not sure about name.
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Bhaumut
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Posted - 2009.10.09 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny
Originally by: Doktor Feeelgoood
Edited by: Doktor Feeelgoood on 01/10/2009 21:26:01
it's funny how dumb americans can be sometimes. "in the u s of a the law is like this, why is it not like this anywhere else in the world (or vidja games)? we rule everything and everybody should be like us. now let's go raid the middle east yeehaw!"
Look at you...a ****** that does not understand that the american stated quite clearly that this may not be the case in your country. But most of the rest of the world hopes that your country will be able to catch up in the comprehension field soon. You need some help. (Why all the rage against Americans......Are you jealous? If so of what?)
Rage, hrm.. well if you looked at all the "Well here in the USA.." or "You can't do that, I'm an american.." posts.. it begs to wonder why you guys feel because you live where you do, everyone else in the world has to comply with your vision... you know.. the narrow one.
And of course first and formost.. stop bringing RL laws into a video game. Unless the game is say CSI, or something along those lines where there are certain laws and rules to follow.. because thats what makes that game, THAT game... I mean really, you started this thread and expected everyone or some to agree with you.. your also in C&P.. HEEELLLUUU.. like grow a brain.
There is no jealousy here bud, but then sometimes you need to put the bottle back in the mouths of the babies.. and take the guns from the hands of children.. and no son, this is not my first rodeo, this is not the first time i have had to virtually ***** slap an american who feels that everyone else believes them or has the same rules.. no.. no we the world do not all have the same rules, some are similar, and the vast majority are different.
But until you personally can comprehend that, i suggest you just take it, STFU, then come back when your more informed. And most certainly more enlightened.
You also think that you can inform posters that maybe in their part of the world bla bla bla, and maybe they can catch up to the rest of us.. have you even read the entries of this thread.. seriously.. "we" are not alone.. but you and a small handful like you certainly are... wonder if that crossed your mind.. oh wait.. your still posting emo rage bs.. so i guess until you beat your opinion into the rest of us we will remain the ignorant...
I LoL'ed this entire time.. please feed us "ignorant" more.
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Nuts Nougat
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.10.09 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Draeca
If I come and wreck your car, is the carwreck my property?
Yes, but only intellectually.
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Dawts
The Order of the EyE
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Posted - 2009.10.09 15:41:00 -
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I don't know why you guys get trolled so easy.
Salvaging doesn't flag you because no one owns the wreck, you own the loot, the wreck is colored to show loot ownership.
CCP has stated this, salvaging is also an official "mini-profession"
These are facts stated by CCP, C&P isn't the place for game suggestions. So no, discussion here isn't to get the game changed, you're an obvious troll and it's sad that so many people can't see it.
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