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Varesk Gallente Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2009.10.09 15:51:00 - [151] Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny Originally by: Varesk let me help you out with this. its ccps game. they say i can salvage the wrecks you leave in space. /thread. w0w is that way =====> Let me help you out with this. Its CCPS game. They say we can get changes through discussion. Yo momma is that way =====> a mamma joke? wow. if you would have taken the time to do search you would have found 3902894 threads crying about some pixels, that dont belong to you as stated by CCP. your lack of internet skills and lame momma jokes make me realize that this game probably isnt for you. also you should post with your main if you want to be taken seriously. lame alt, lame thread, lack of internets, this thread gets a -10 standing. ----- removed due to size.
FireT Gallente As Far As The eYe can see	Posted - 2009.10.09 15:52:00 - [152] Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny Originally by: Doktor Feeelgoood Edited by: Doktor Feeelgoood on 01/10/2009 21:26:01 it's funny how dumb americans can be sometimes. "in the u s of a the law is like this, why is it not like this anywhere else in the world (or vidja games)? we rule everything and everybody should be like us. now let's go raid the middle east yeehaw!" Look at you...a ****** that does not understand that the american stated quite clearly that this may not be the case in your country. But most of the rest of the world hopes that your country will be able to catch up in the comprehension field soon. You need some help. (Why all the rage against Americans......Are you jealous? If so of what?) Actually having been born and raised in Europe and lived my entire adult live in the US..... yeah the actual comment has merits. The average American is just like the original poster: uneducated, arrogant, and truly re-tarded. Sorry to say this, and I do apologize to the rest of the world for his views. On a side note, go read the actual laws on 'hitting someone's car you spaz, and you might discover you hitting the other guys car in RL does not entitle you to what is in the car in RL. Good god, some people have truly shallow gene pools.
Dawts The Order of the EyE	Posted - 2009.10.09 16:01:00 - [153] Edited by: Dawts on 09/10/2009 16:02:26 Originally by: FireT Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny Originally by: Doktor Feeelgoood Edited by: Doktor Feeelgoood on 01/10/2009 21:26:01 it's funny how dumb americans can be sometimes. "in the u s of a the law is like this, why is it not like this anywhere else in the world (or vidja games)? we rule everything and everybody should be like us. now let's go raid the middle east yeehaw!" Look at you...a **** that does not understand that the american stated quite clearly that this may not be the case in your country. But most of the rest of the world hopes that your country will be able to catch up in the comprehension field soon. You need some help. (Why all the rage against Americans......Are you jealous? If so of what?) Actually having been born and raised in Europe and lived my entire adult live in the US..... yeah the actual comment has merits. The average American is just like the original poster: uneducated, arrogant, and truly re-tarded. Sorry to say this, and I do apologize to the rest of the world for his views. On a side note, go read the actual laws on 'hitting someone's car you spaz, and you might discover you hitting the other guys car in RL does not entitle you to what is in the car in RL. Good god, some people have truly shallow gene pools. pssssst... your pompus attitude is showing. I've lived in the US my whole life, and I wouldn't dare act like I've met the majority of the people living in the U.S. edit: Oh, I guess **** is censored. Oh well, don't bypass the filter by trying to say he's tarded again (whatever that means).
FireT Gallente As Far As The eYe can see	Posted - 2009.10.09 17:27:00 - [154] Dawts, cute reply, but then again being inside the box doesn't help when trying to analyze the issues of the box. Honestly, people in the US do act like the OP. ALOT. Currently most American's barely pass literature and math skills, according to our own US statistics. Even our oh so new president admits we pretty much suck in competition with the rest of the world and are falling behind. Guess why: its because we have become a bunch of arrogant little *****s. Hell people are even going abroad now to find the land of opportunity when it comes to work. But you must have missed those news in your parent's basement and avoiding actual news and discussions.
Dawts The Order of the EyE	Posted - 2009.10.09 17:32:00 - [155] Originally by: FireT Dawts, cute reply, but then again being inside the box doesn't help when trying to analyze the issues of the box. Honestly, people in the US do act like the OP. ALOT. Currently most American's barely pass literature and math skills, according to our own US statistics. Even our oh so new president admits we pretty much suck in competition with the rest of the world and are falling behind. Guess why: its because we have become a bunch of arrogant little *****s. Hell people are even going abroad now to find the land of opportunity when it comes to work. But you must have missed those news in your parent's basement and avoiding actual news and discussions. A lot is two words.
FireT Gallente As Far As The eYe can see	Posted - 2009.10.09 17:45:00 - [156] Originally by: Dawts Originally by: FireT Dawts, cute reply, but then again being inside the box doesn't help when trying to analyze the issues of the box. Honestly, people in the US do act like the OP. ALOT. Currently most American's barely pass literature and math skills, according to our own US statistics. Even our oh so new president admits we pretty much suck in competition with the rest of the world and are falling behind. Guess why: its because we have become a bunch of arrogant little *****s. Hell people are even going abroad now to find the land of opportunity when it comes to work. But you must have missed those news in your parent's basement and avoiding actual news and discussions. A lot is two words. 'A lot is two words'? Dude you truly represent the average American tard. Personally I advocate, salvaging automatically pops hostility on both targets. Thus automated violence pops up and carebears die faster. Yarrrr
Dawts The Order of the EyE	Posted - 2009.10.09 17:58:00 - [157] Originally by: FireT Originally by: Dawts Originally by: FireT Dawts, cute reply, but then again being inside the box doesn't help when trying to analyze the issues of the box. Honestly, people in the US do act like the OP. ALOT. Currently most American's barely pass literature and math skills, according to our own US statistics. Even our oh so new president admits we pretty much suck in competition with the rest of the world and are falling behind. Guess why: its because we have become a bunch of arrogant little *****s. Hell people are even going abroad now to find the land of opportunity when it comes to work. But you must have missed those news in your parent's basement and avoiding actual news and discussions. A lot is two words. 'A lot is two words'? Dude you truly represent the average American tard. Personally I advocate, salvaging automatically pops hostility on both targets. Thus automated violence pops up and carebears die faster. Yarrrr Again with the name calling. Are you trying to prove you're smarter, or more mature than the average american? Just for the record, science and mathematics are the 2 lacking subjects of the US, literacy is at 98%.
FireT Gallente As Far As The eYe can see	Posted - 2009.10.09 18:17:00 - [158] Originally by: Dawts Originally by: FireT Originally by: Dawts Originally by: FireT Dawts, cute reply, but then again being inside the box doesn't help when trying to analyze the issues of the box. Honestly, people in the US do act like the OP. ALOT. Currently most American's barely pass literature and math skills, according to our own US statistics. Even our oh so new president admits we pretty much suck in competition with the rest of the world and are falling behind. Guess why: its because we have become a bunch of arrogant little *****s. Hell people are even going abroad now to find the land of opportunity when it comes to work. But you must have missed those news in your parent's basement and avoiding actual news and discussions. A lot is two words. 'A lot is two words'? Dude you truly represent the average American tard. Personally I advocate, salvaging automatically pops hostility on both targets. Thus automated violence pops up and carebears die faster. Yarrrr Again with the name calling. Are you trying to prove you're smarter, or more mature than the average american? Just for the record, science and mathematics are the 2 lacking subjects of the US, literacy is at 98%. Yeahhhhhh that is why we keep importing high end labor to the US. You are right..... And what does reading help when the average American reads less than 1 book a year? (US Census again).
Dawts The Order of the EyE	Posted - 2009.10.09 18:31:00 - [159] Edited by: Dawts on 09/10/2009 18:32:40 On topic, the rules off CCP don't have to conform to real life rules or moral standards. The game is written in the way they want it to work. You derailing the thread to try and prove that the average american is a moron doesn't add anything to this topic. You're trying to use a sterotype to prove whatever arguement you have. I consider myself an average american, and I've been able to hold an even level discussion with you, does that mean that you're intelligence is equal to the very american that you're trying to describe? edit: also, I'm done ****ting up this troll post anyway. I won't be posting here again and bumping this garbage.
Roland Deschaines Minmatar Esquires Of Questionable Intention	Posted - 2009.10.09 18:38:00 - [160] Simple, Eve is not real life, and CCP think of ninja salvaging as a profession. It's not unlike scamming (also illegal in RL, think of ole Bernie) or deccing and killing (I bribe the police so I can kill you -_-) or 0.0 (I go to this special zone where the police turn a blind eye on me). -- Monsieur Rolly

FireT Gallente As Far As The eYe can see	Posted - 2009.10.09 19:47:00 - [161] Originally by: Roland Deschaines Simple, Eve is not real life, and CCP think of ninja salvaging as a profession. It's not unlike scamming (also illegal in RL, think of ole Bernie) or deccing and killing (I bribe the police so I can kill you -_-) or 0.0 (I go to this special zone where the police turn a blind eye on me). It's called Somalia right now.
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.10.09 20:06:00 - [162] Simple solution, add a "wrecks & loot" to the new player experience, so they all -know- how it works. Problem solved. My noobish Khanid Pirate blog: http://helicityboson.blogspot.com/
Kirsteni	Posted - 2009.10.09 22:32:00 - [163] Edited by: Kirsteni on 09/10/2009 22:33:20 Originally by: CCP Dropbear Originally by: Kahega Amielden Don't worry, CCP. We here at Suddenly NinjasÖ are working hard to add social interaction to generic missions And we love you (and others like you) for it! In some weird and wonderful way, groups like yours operate as flag bearers for the full EVE experience, and we wouldn't want to change, or get in the way of that. Also, lol. Seems like ccp likes Ninjas to me so stop whining link to fourm post http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1181265 More power to the Ninjas
Pyth2 Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.10.10 00:25:00 - [164] lolz I takes ur stuff n u cry lolz
Tetrix Akuta	Posted - 2009.10.10 02:04:00 - [165] Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny Let me help you out with this. Its CCPS game. They say we can get changes through discussion. OP how would your suggested change improve the game? I am not seeing the benefit.
BunnyBuzzBunny	Posted - 2009.10.10 04:17:00 - [166] Originally by: Tetrix Akuta Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny Let me help you out with this. Its CCPS game. They say we can get changes through discussion. OP how would your suggested change improve the game? I am not seeing the benefit. Being a ninja you never would. So wasting time trying to convince a ninja is just that.....a waste of time.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Evoke. Ev0ke	Posted - 2009.10.10 06:21:00 - [167] Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny Originally by: Tetrix Akuta Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny Let me help you out with this. Its CCPS game. They say we can get changes through discussion. OP how would your suggested change improve the game? I am not seeing the benefit. Being a ninja you never would. So wasting time trying to convince a ninja is just that.....a waste of time. i'm not a ninja-looter, but i can't see any benefit to gameplay either. ___________________ ---[SAY NO TO CYNO-LOGISTICS]---
Sir Carnage	Posted - 2009.10.10 07:01:00 - [168] Seriously, this isn't exactly the place to discuss the merits of the U.S. education system. The entire reason for this topic is to cause just the sort of response it has generated. It does not belong in C&P. At best it could go into Features and Ideas. As it's explicitly addressed to the Devs and CCP, it should be removed from the forums all together. Also, go back to WoW. Maybe one day you'll graduate to Hello Kitty Online, but Eve is obviously beyond you
BunnyBuzzBunny	Posted - 2009.10.10 08:02:00 - [169] Edited by: BunnyBuzzBunny on 10/10/2009 08:03:38 Originally by: Sir Carnage Seriously, this isn't exactly the place to discuss the merits of the U.S. education system. The entire reason for this topic is to cause just the sort of response it has generated. It does not belong in C&P. At best it could go into Features and Ideas. As it's explicitly addressed to the Devs and CCP, it should be removed from the forums all together. It does discuss crime so yes....it does belong here. Also, go back to WoW. Maybe one day you'll graduate to Hello Kitty Online, but Eve is obviously beyond you Never played WOW....Don't intend to. As the usual rifraf you add nothing. Go back to preschool. The reason it was addressed to devs/CCP is because of simpletons like yourself that just feel the need to throw 2 cents in. Everyone knows(Even the lower end intelligence of the bottom of the barrel Americans.) that 2 cents isn't worth a crap. And that is all you have to offer. As far as what this article is for is to build a respectably worded theory for myself and others that may or may not understand the idiocracy associated with salvage and looting and the difference of the two in CCP's eyes. If you had seen the first post you would know that the one that is up there now has evolved quite a bit. Here is your 2 cents back....I hope you find someone that needs it.
Awesome Possum Imperium Signal Corps	Posted - 2009.10.10 09:12:00 - [170] Salvage being FFA with no flag is just more added risk to a level runner's free isk. Get over it. Bring a salvage alt. l2p ♥ Wreck Disposal Services

Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.10.10 09:44:00 - [171] The easiest way to resolve this is to disable salvaging in highsec. Or to make salvaging any ship a criminal offence, giving you a GCC. Desecrating a war grave is bad.
Carnassial	Posted - 2009.10.10 11:56:00 - [172] Originally by: Gypsio III The easiest way to resolve this is to disable salvaging in highsec. Or to make salvaging any ship a criminal offence, giving you a GCC. Desecrating a war grave is bad. Only if anything bigger than a frigate is prohibited from mining in 0.9-1.0 sec, since those industrials make it pretty hard for the noobies to get into the mining, especially during the last few hours before downtime. The increase in roidsize and -spawn was only fixing the symptom, not the disease. Same thing applies to more things in EVE, like lvl4 missions. Experienced players still have too much to do in high sec, there's still too much to gain in high sec for them, and they can have too much power in high sec. Moving on to lower sec should be much more rewarding. Replace the highsec resource requirements of some builds with some lowsec resource requirements, and see the move to lowsec to accomodate for the request for those resources. Trit should not be a material resource for making anything bigger than a cruiser for example. Want to make a battlecruiser? It should exclusively require materials found in 0.6 sec or lower. A carrier? Need exclusively 0.4 sec or lower materials for those! So, the interest for going to lowsec should be raised, and by a lot even. Enough to even make newbies wonder if they should go mine for rare ores there, instead of doing the overvalued Veldspar that is actually useful for themselves as well.
Karadan Kaarwen	Posted - 2009.10.10 12:18:00 - [173] Edited by: Karadan Kaarwen on 10/10/2009 12:18:05 Yawn. Can the OP grow a pair and stop crying please? Play WoW. I hear it helps carebears be more carebeary.
Keve Treadwell	Posted - 2009.10.10 12:53:00 - [174] Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny Originally by: Tetrix Akuta Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny Let me help you out with this. Its CCPS game. They say we can get changes through discussion. OP how would your suggested change improve the game? I am not seeing the benefit. Being a ninja you never would. So wasting time trying to convince a ninja is just that.....a waste of time. What about the rest of us? I pretty much only run missions and I am not sure of the benefit of what you are suggesting. Plus the ninja/theif/high sec pirates want more things to flag them from the sounds of it... why give the bastards what they want? If CCP were to come to you and they were taking your suggestion seriously they are either going to try to figure out how this would make the game a better game or ask you how it would make the game better. Can you enlighten the rest of us? Ignore the ninja scum, I am a victim of ninjas like you and I still don't understand. thanks!
FireT Gallente As Far As The eYe can see	Posted - 2009.10.10 12:59:00 - [175] Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny Edited by: BunnyBuzzBunny on 10/10/2009 08:05:29 Edited by: BunnyBuzzBunny on 10/10/2009 08:03:38 Originally by: Sir Carnage Seriously, this isn't exactly the place to discuss the merits of the U.S. education system. The entire reason for this topic is to cause just the sort of response it has generated. It does not belong in C&P. At best it could go into Features and Ideas. As it's explicitly addressed to the Devs and CCP, it should be removed from the forums all together. Also, go back to WoW. Maybe one day you'll graduate to Hello Kitty Online, but Eve is obviously beyond you Never played WOW....Don't intend to. As the usual rifraf you add nothing. Go back to preschool. The reason it was addressed to devs/CCP is because of simpletons like yourself that just feel the need to throw 2 cents in. It does discuss crime so yes....it does belong here. Everyone knows(Even the lower end intelligence of the bottom of the barrel American.) that 2 cents isn't worth a crap. And that is all you have to offer. As far as what this article is for is to build a respectably worded theory for myself and others that may or may not understand the idiocracy associated with salvage and looting and the difference of the two in CCP's eyes. If you had seen the first post you would know that the one that is up there now has evolved quite a bit. Here is your 2 cents back....I hope you find someone that needs it. Funny how you keep ignoring all the real life analogies we have tossed your way. Even my examples of home you examples / analogies were based on your imaginary US rules and not the actual rules. Just saying......
Ella C'Tronix	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:23:00 - [176] Insulting the community before you even begin writing the rest of your horribly written complaint about an invalid topic really isn't the way to go. I also stopped taking you seriously (as did 90% of us) when you said "but here in the United States..." I hope you get locked/warned/banned, and your name rechanged to BunnyBuzzBiggot. Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny Edited by: BunnyBuzzBunny on 10/10/2009 05:51:59 Before you start to post here.... 1. This is not an issue about shooting someone. There are already laws about that in the game. 2. Don't twist my words on the subject. It only makes you look like you just can't comprehend. 3. I don't have time to read every article that has been posted before me. (Think of it as the "Dipping Mr. Winky" principle of things.) 4. I am asking for someone from CCP to validate. If you aren't from CCP....I don't care what you have to say. 5. If you are looking for carebear tears for your boyfriend to use as lube to ram you I suggest you walk away from your computer and go the the pharmacy and pick up some K-Y. It doesn't dry out as fast and it makes you appear less of a pee-pee puffing faq. I don't know about the rest of the world but here in the United States if I wreck someone else' car I have to pay the full price of that car and own it in it's entirety. NOT just the CD changer(read as loot within the cargo). If someone goes to that car and takes the electrical system(read as equal to salvage.) I have legal avenues to follow for recourse. If someone goes to that car and takes the CD changer(read as loot in the cargo.) I have legal avenues to follow for recourse. The CD-changer and the wreck are considered to be all the same ownership. Nobody can run up and just load my wreck up on their rig and drive away with it. From a legal standpoint any item taken from that wreck(Including an Alloyed Tritanium Bar)would be an act of theft.(Is this different in the rest of the world? Comments?) Wrecks are color coded. They are color coded to show ownership. This goes for wrecks that have things within the cargo and those that do not. If there was no ownership of a wreck then there would not be a need for color coding.(There is a warning message about theft of loot so the concept that it is a different color to protect people from accidently taking something is moot, bogus and weak at best.) Why is it that in Eve I only own the CD changer? What if I own a salvaging company and what they are taking is how I make my living?(Read as I pay for an alt that does nothing BUT salvage behind me in missions that are done for my corp. My corp uses that salvage to make things and sell them thus thiefs are taking money from my corp. Maybe I shouldn't give CCP any money?) Can someone from CCP actually vallidate this ignorance for me What I get from the conversations here so far. 1. Wrecks are color coded to show ownership. 2. You can not use a tractor on wrecks that do not belong to you thus showing ownership of your wrecks. But this ownership is not ownership of the wrecks themselves. It only shows a halfassed ownership to make you think that you own them and have rights to them. You DO still own the air inside the wreck though as nobody can take that from you. 3. The game bases the salvage rules on oceanic salvaging rules except the finder may not touch anything inside the wreck.....only the outer pieces.(Don't blame me....this is someone else' halfassed explanation) 4. The Devs can't be bothered to develope anything. It just simply is not their job to create change or maintain the game in a good functional manor that is logical and forward. 5. The parts that you can take from of a wreck to make rigs for your ship are perfectly fine to take. The componets that you could take from a wreck to attache to your ship are NOT ok to take. This is perfectly logical to CCP but nobody else.
Sir Carnage	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:40:00 - [177] Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny Edited by: BunnyBuzzBunny on 10/10/2009 08:05:29 Edited by: BunnyBuzzBunny on 10/10/2009 08:03:38 Originally by: Sir Carnage Seriously, this isn't exactly the place to discuss the merits of the U.S. education system. The entire reason for this topic is to cause just the sort of response it has generated. It does not belong in C&P. At best it could go into Features and Ideas. As it's explicitly addressed to the Devs and CCP, it should be removed from the forums all together. Also, go back to WoW. Maybe one day you'll graduate to Hello Kitty Online, but Eve is obviously beyond you Never played WOW....Don't intend to. As the usual rifraf you add nothing. Go back to preschool. The reason it was addressed to devs/CCP is because of simpletons like yourself that just feel the need to throw 2 cents in. It does discuss crime so yes....it does belong here. Everyone knows(Even the lower end intelligence of the bottom of the barrel American.) that 2 cents isn't worth a crap. And that is all you have to offer. As far as what this article is for is to build a respectably worded theory for myself and others that may or may not understand the idiocracy associated with salvage and looting and the difference of the two in CCP's eyes. If you had seen the first post you would know that the one that is up there now has evolved quite a bit. Here is your 2 cents back....I hope you find someone that needs it. Do you really believe your own bs? You had your mind made up before posting, began your topic with inflammatory comments, addressed it to ccp and the devs, then proceeded to post it in c&p instead of features and ideas. Geez, I wonder why you'd do something like that.... Everyone knows exactly why you did it. Get back under your bridge.
TokimoYsera	Posted - 2009.10.10 15:05:00 - [178] What I don't get is why you didn't just say: In EVE when someone steals loot from a ship wreck you've killed, you get to blast their face. Can we get face blasting rights when they steal the salvage?
Awesome Possum Imperium Signal Corps	Posted - 2009.10.10 16:17:00 - [179] Originally by: TokimoYsera What I don't get is why you didn't just say: In EVE when someone steals loot from a ship wreck you've killed, you get to blast their face. Can we get face blasting rights when they steal the salvage? That applies to NPC ships. How is that going to work with player ships? ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Verx Interis Amarr SkyNet. Cruor-Salax Legion	Posted - 2009.10.10 22:46:00 - [180] dead horse is dead. Let it die. ---- Logins required for this post: 17652



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