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Turiel Demon
Minmatar Celtic industries F A I L
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Posted - 2010.03.18 13:04:00 -
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While there has been a bit of Neod manipulation influencing its rise, most of it seems natural, at least to me, especially as there is no cartel-like structure which controls the sources.
The reason for Neod rising like it has been I think is that it looks like there's a bit of under-supply of Neod which for up till now has been propped up by old stockpiles. Those stocks and the higher opinion of Tech have stopped all too much from happening to Neod so production didn't increase much while there has been some potential extra production available.
This was to be expected to a point, but now that I'm thinking about it it's quite possible that Neod will be a bottleneck material for a while (maybe a couple of months) while we chew through the large supplies of Tech that were available thanks to its previous overabundance.
I had actually first thought that there would be more excess Neod stockpiles than Tech, because there was a longer period of expectation that Neod would be the one to go up before Tech took over. This may not have been the case however, as (now that I've found the way to export market history for examination in Excel) it looks like there was actually quite a bit more Tech trading over the normal use in the november-domilaunch period than there was for Neo in the september-domilaunch period. Now that's just absolute trading amounts and doesn't necessarily say all too much because it includes all trading between speculators, of which there was a really high amount.
If you can't beat Eris, join her, hmmm that sounded so much better in my head - Cortes Don't be greedy :P -Cap |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.03.18 13:44:00 -
[992]
Also, tech was noticeably more valuable for a couple of years in the past compared to neod (5k-7k tech vs 2k neod before alchemy picked up significantly crashing tech to 3k or so, give or take a few hundreds), so more likely to get mined and then stockpiled instead of simply ignored, so Neodymium stocks are likely to be (much) smaller than Technetium stocks.
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Julian Koll
The Kollektive
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Posted - 2010.03.18 14:13:00 -
[993]
another thought i just had: lets look at neo trade volume in jita, its more or less 0.5m a day, with a few spikes. Thats about 15m a month. Now we look at the neo moons, as said earlier, there are about 200 of them, each producing 72k units a month, a total of 14,4m units. These numbers are ofc not reflecting buy/sell transactions, speculation but also neo that never sees the market and is used for reactions by its producer (or privately traded).
One of you wiseguys feel like having a more sophisticated look at this? |
xylopia
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.03.19 00:57:00 -
[994]
If Neod becomes a strong bottleneck and stays at high enough, there comes mighty Plat alchemy, which is buffed to yield x4 more times in Dominion. That would eventually leads to price increase of Sylramic Fibers, Fullerides, and, Tungsten Carbides. Oh not to mention a bit on Ferrogel too. But I don't think that we'll see that conversion very soon. I can safely say no chance at least this time.
Platinum price is around 3k, Dysprosium is @ 25k, and Promethium @ 20k. Tech is still around 30k. I believe these price tags indicate we are still moving from pre-dominion to dominion. So, I think Neod price will reach roughly around mid 20k (slightly higher than 5 times of Plat), and stays there till next turn comes around. |
Turiel Demon
Minmatar Celtic industries F A I L
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Posted - 2010.03.19 01:34:00 -
[995]
Originally by: xylopia ...
Platinum price is around 3k, Dysprosium is @ 25k, and Promethium @ 20k. Tech is still around 30k. I believe these price tags indicate we are still moving from pre-dominion to dominion. So, I think Neod price will reach roughly around mid 20k (slightly higher than 5 times of Plat), and stays there till next turn comes around.
That's probably as good an estimate as any from the basic numbers, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Neod overshoot that price quite easily, seeing the love of speculation and quantity of ISK that people seem to be willing to throw at materials in possitions like Neod is in right now. How long a rise and eventuall plateau would be maintained is a bit of a difficult question though... |
Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2010.03.19 01:46:00 -
[996]
If the introduction of Planetary infrastructure creates a mechanism capable of absorbing large amounts of capital then the speculative money is going to drain out of all of these moon mineral markets and leave them in a state of shock. |
xylopia
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.03.19 03:07:00 -
[997]
Originally by: Turiel Demon
Originally by: xylopia blah...
That's probably as good an estimate as any from the basic numbers, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Neod overshoot that price quite easily, seeing the love of speculation and quantity of ISK that people seem to be willing to throw at materials in possitions like Neod is in right now. How long a rise and eventuall plateau would be maintained is a bit of a difficult question though...
Not that I'm unaware of mighty hands of ppl w/ s***load of iskies. Especially at this time when too many ppl w/ load of isk from tech manipulation and reaction towers sprung up all over EVE, it might be a low-hanging fruit within your arm's reach. I'm just trying to sound reasonable so what I'm rambling about isn't far-fetched after all. Bottom line is, we are seeing a wave coming fast at us. So, git yer surfboard waxed and ready.
Originally by: Liberty Eternal If the introduction of Planetary infrastructure creates a mechanism capable of absorbing large amounts of capital then the speculative money is going to drain out of all of these moon mineral markets and leave them in a state of shock.
You don't seem to have very good idea of what you are stating sir. Would you mind me to personally serve you a bottle of Quafe for rebooting those implants in your skull? |
Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.19 13:54:00 -
[998]
While some of my long term capital is still in Technetium products for the long market, I've already started moving the bulk to the next big thing and detecting the unmistakable foot prints of some big money while I'm at it.
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar Celtic industries F A I L
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Posted - 2010.03.19 15:14:00 -
[999]
Originally by: Wyke Mossari
While some of my long term capital is still in Technetium products for the long market, I've already started moving the bulk to the next big thing and detecting the unmistakable foot prints of some big money while I'm at it.
Well, how positivley vague of you.
Oh, and reply nr 999!
If you can't beat Eris, join her, hmmm that sounded so much better in my head - Cortes Don't be greedy :P -Cap |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.03.19 15:14:00 -
[1000]
Originally by: Liberty Eternal If the introduction of Planetary infrastructure creates a mechanism capable of absorbing large amounts of capital
Considering they stated that they wanted PI to be a thing a newbie can get soon into, I highly doubt it.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.19 20:18:00 -
[1001]
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Liberty Eternal If the introduction of Planetary infrastructure creates a mechanism capable of absorbing large amounts of capital
Considering they stated that they wanted PI to be a thing a newbie can get soon into, I highly doubt it.
Easy to get into, but how much trit do you think will be needed to build a space elevator?
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar Celtic industries F A I L
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Posted - 2010.03.19 20:30:00 -
[1002]
Originally by: Wyke Mossari
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Liberty Eternal If the introduction of Planetary infrastructure creates a mechanism capable of absorbing large amounts of capital
Considering they stated that they wanted PI to be a thing a newbie can get soon into, I highly doubt it.
Easy to get into, but how much trit do you think will be needed to build a space elevator?
Well the problem there is that in relative terms we don't really need extra trit sinks so very much. If a spece elevator costs staggering amounts of highends then you're on to something
If you can't beat Eris, join her, hmmm that sounded so much better in my head - Cortes Don't be greedy :P -Cap |
Di Mulle
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Posted - 2010.03.19 23:23:00 -
[1003]
Edited by: Di Mulle on 19/03/2010 23:23:16
Originally by: Wyke Mossari
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Liberty Eternal If the introduction of Planetary infrastructure creates a mechanism capable of absorbing large amounts of capital
Considering they stated that they wanted PI to be a thing a newbie can get soon into, I highly doubt it.
Easy to get into, but how much trit do you think will be needed to build a space elevator?
Not so much, I think.
Nobody will build a 10 bil worth elevator, if it will raise 1 mil from the ground. Nor anyone will do that for the sake of having space elevator itself.
The question is WHAT PI WILL PRODUCE and how many. Not how. My guess is PI will not produce anything comparable to current mineral market amount. Otherwise CCP need to: - either to put some established industry (like T2 or ice) in turmoil, near to destroying it in it's current form; - either introduce completely new kind of industry with amounts similar to T1 or T2. I simply can't see what that could be. Nanite paste, commodities used as POS fuel etc. - everything is nice and sound plausible. But amounts are way smaller.
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar Celtic industries F A I L
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Posted - 2010.03.20 01:28:00 -
[1004]
So, I've been watching and working Neod the last two weeks. I'm pretty sure now that it's underproducing, quite heavily. There are still stocks out there right now of course, but it might be as little as ten million units right now.
The thing is, Tech has higher stockpiles, still multiple tens of millions of units. It is going to be rising over the coming weeks, but quite slowly.
The point being: from the looks of things Neodymium is going to be our T2 bottleneck for a little while.
Production is not at full capacity, it never needed to be pre-dominion. To maintain the same level of production we had pre-dominion needs about 2x as much neod as it did before, just like Technetium, however tech quite simply has more stockpiles to coast on and likely is closer to full-scale production due to its greater popularity. As you all may know there was a long period of time where Tech was worth somewhat more than Neod... and of course with the Dominion run-up this was amplified to an even greater degree.
The stockpiles of both of these materials have allowed production to trail usage by greater or lesser degrees, but as tech has been higher people have taken up production there with a vengeance, while Neod has trailed behind as the 'secondary' moongoo.
This situation could have been predicted, I'm sorry to say I didn't see it untill I finally 'got' the pattern ten days ago... but it was almost inevitable once the reactor bottleneck resolved itself. If anyone sees a chance to make some ISK off of it, best of luck to you. I doubt anyone will be able to tell with any degree of certainty what kind of price will or even can stick, but right now it looks like a fairly easy 20k+/unit for the next few weeks.
Once Neod production comes on line in earnest (which it will) over the coming month(s) we'll see Tech take over, but it could really take quite a while. Even though the disparity between tech and neod is greater than prom and dyspro it looks increasingly like we could be seeing a two-material bottleneck like before.
If you can't beat Eris, join her, hmmm that sounded so much better in my head - Cortes Don't be greedy :P -Cap |
xylopia
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.03.20 01:46:00 -
[1005]
Edited by: xylopia on 20/03/2010 02:12:05
Originally by: Di Mulle deleted due to space limit.
Considering what and how planetary interaction content could intertwine with current EVE, I can say PI isn't for good-ol eve players, but it is for alliance and Dusties (Therefore PI is more close to COAD stuff. Don't get me wrong. I agree you can make iskies from PI stuff.)
Currently CCP is trying to expand their business. DUST 514, World of Darkness, and WIS. (Ok, WIS isnÆt new product but more of expansion. Nevertheless, CCP's currently hiring quite a few peeps for WIS.) In order to successfully launch those products, and quickly have them settle in the corner of MMO market, the most logical choice would branch off from their existing, strong asset. And that is? ofc, EVE. Further, it is easy to sell your new product to your established customer base: a very well known business exercise. (Apple does it. Google does it. Blizzard does it. Even Red Hot Chili Peppers does it. It's CCP's turn.)
However, that does not necessarily mean you can break all your eggs. You can't change everything and anything in EVE just because you will bring WIS or DUST into EVE. That would not only enrage more than the total number of CCP's current subscription, but also alert potential customers. Simply put, CCP cannot alter T1 BS BPO to require something from Planet. No chance. Nada.
As many point out above, therefore, CCP is trying to slide Tyrannis into EVE as best safely and smoothly as it is possible, and PI introduce NPC goods such as nanite compound, pos fuel, and whatnot. It will generate some iskies for the folks sinking their feet into mud, but it ain't gonna be huge deal at least initially. (So there is no way huge amount of iskies drained into those fancy balls up in the black sky when Tyrannis hits) What PI is at the first stage (the time frame before DUST coming along ) is a candy jar with few sweeties to which we can put our hands in, and ofc CCP is watching all that behind the scene. Unless measurable amount of good from PI being consumed daily basis, however, that "few sweeties" situation would not change that much.
Let's recap. You cannot transform the current EVE being PI oriented, but you need to smoothly integrate DUST/WIS into EVE. (Market activity is really a part of them but essential anyway.) Then where would you have ppl to burn their goods from PI if you can't let ppl burn enough PI goods in EVE? It is only in DUST/WIS. No other place. Then when is time for you to see real isk from PI? I suspect there is going to be a few, huge threads with full of angry ppl saying Tyrannis is an absolute failure. That might be the queue sign to step in. Then when does PI thing get big enough to be called an industry? It is when DUST and 0.0 sec alliances closely work together, consume considerable amount of resources daily basis, and generate drama every once in a while.
So yes. Tyrannis, or PI is a testing bed at its best.
Originally by: Turiel Demon àI wouldn't be surprised to see Neod overshoot that price quite easily,à
Guess what, youÆre right and IÆm wrong. My bad.
BTW, I've been such a sorry ass with 2m Neod in my hanger. Everytime ppl beat their chest with iskies from tech, I swallowed salty tears deep down in my throat. All those months I was holding myself from banging my head to the thickest part of wall for not buying up Tech; those days are going fast. ItÆs finally the time to shine some light on æem. Now that IÆm not that shabby after all.
Thanks for pointing out. |
Whopewpews
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Posted - 2010.03.20 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: xylopia
BTW, I've been such a sorry ass with 2m Neod in my hanger. Everytime ppl beat their chest with iskies from tech, I swallowed salty tears deep down in my throat. All those months I was holding myself from banging my head to the thickest part of wall for not buying up Tech; those days are going fast. ItÆs finally the time to shine some light on æem. Now that IÆm not that shabby after all.
Thanks for pointing out.
2,000,000 x 20,000 = You never had anything to cry about :p
Speaking of which there is less than 10B on the Neo plateau @ 25k. After that there is only orders at 50k. o.0
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Di Mulle
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Posted - 2010.03.20 03:00:00 -
[1007]
Edited by: Di Mulle on 20/03/2010 03:00:28
Originally by: xylopia Edited by: xylopia on 20/03/2010 02:12:05 stuff
I pretty much agree with you that PI in Tyrannis will be a rather small addendum for economy. Thus it annoys me a bit when people left and right start to refer to PI as savior for any major problem. Like as solution for possible mining catastrophe... PI can't positively influence any sort of these problems without bringing in new problems and/or changes of a similar scale.
However, I would doubt its' big impact when Dusties come, for the same logic. What for alliances would spend "big resources" for Dusties through PI ? For the planets themselves ? Makes no sense if planets are not so important economically. Then, as it was said, Dusties can affect sov... but this is really huge can of worms.
Also, I was kind of derailing the thread here, for what I am sorry.
As excuse, I have this thought here. With PI implemented, CCP may have a ready system to put in changes to control goo bottlenecks.
Imagine some kind of "planetary alchemy". Let's assume, CCP decides technetium price over 100k is bad, for example. So they can put some reaction scheme on a planet, which starts to be profitable at that price level. Some kind of safety valve. Of course, forecasting that profitability will not be an easy task and system may go out of hand after some time...
The key thing there would be not using existing moon materials for alchemy. Though all this would not look good for me....
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xylopia
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.03.20 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Whopewpews You never had anything to cry about :p
Where'd you pick that line from? My ego is smaller than my wallet. That does not mean ma belly is small too. I want as much of isk as universe can spare for me, and 40B is just a scrap! dang! want my wallet digit count to be at least 12! Go Neo! Go!
Originally by: Whopewpews Speaking of which there is less than 10B on the Neo plateau @ 25k. After that there is only orders at 50k. o.0
Tell you what...actually, right now, I'm making a slanted, deep hole in my neo stock and then...hoo...ha...
Originally by: Di Mulle I pretty much agree with you that PI in Tyrannis will be a rather small addendum for economy. Thus it annoys me a bit when people left and right start to refer to PI as savior for any major problem. Like as solution for possible mining catastrophe... PI can't positively influence any sort of these problems without bringing in new problems and/or changes of a similar scale.
However, I would doubt its' big impact when Dusties come, for the same logic. What for alliances would spend "big resources" for Dusties through PI ? For the planets themselves ? Makes no sense if planets are not so important economically. Then, as it was said, Dusties can affect sov... but this is really huge can of worms.
It's not me who wishes alliance and dusties tangle with each other. It's CCP's daydream and I have as much influence as you'd have. So, we'll see what happens but I think CCP might have studied PlanetSide.
Originally by: Di Mulle As excuse, I have this thought here. With PI implemented, CCP may have a ready system to put in changes to control goo bottlenecks.
Imagine some kind of "planetary alchemy". Let's assume, CCP decides technetium price over 100k is bad, for example. So they can put some reaction scheme on a planet, which starts to be profitable at that price level. Some kind of safety valve. Of course, forecasting that profitability will not be an easy task and system may go out of hand after some time...
I don't know what CCP's hiding behind their back. I can only throw some guess here and there, and, very fortunately most of time, it ends up worthless .02 isk ever. so...(shrug) |
Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.20 13:05:00 -
[1009]
Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 20/03/2010 13:14:27
Originally by: Turiel Demon
Originally by: Wyke Mossari
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Liberty Eternal If the introduction of Planetary infrastructure creates a mechanism capable of absorbing large amounts of capital
Considering they stated that they wanted PI to be a thing a newbie can get soon into, I highly doubt it.
Easy to get into, but how much trit do you think will be needed to build a space elevator?
Well the problem there is that in relative terms we don't really need extra trit sinks so very much. If a spece elevator costs staggering amounts of highends then you're on to something
Trit was just an example mineral, it's much snappier than mineral basket and should have conveyed the idea. As was space elevator as a pretty extreme example mentioned in the text. I have no doubt that Tyrannis will introduce new sinks for all mineral. There have been plenty of hints of that in various dev blogs including the most recent. Infrastructure, Factories, defence.
Quote: For a long time we have had people asking us for more options to build up their own infrastructure. Itæs something that comes up frequently at Fanfest, in past CSMs and during casual conversations with players. There seems to be some deep Freudian desire to erect something monumental. To make stuff. To create something new. At last Fanfest we announced our plans to allow you, the pod-pilots of New Eden, to shift your foci away from the heavens for a moment, onto the planets.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=733
As a side issue, I used to have a profitable side line in filling the needs of mission runners for marines, tourist, homeless, refugees etc. It was a small but profitable segment, that was suddenly bought out a while back. Thought it odd at the time, but never added 2+2. With hind sight, perhaps the reason was that some of these will become necessary colonists on our new dirt side holdings and CCP cleaned out the market (or somebody was speculating that would be the case). Did anybody else notice anything similar?
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar Celtic industries F A I L
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Posted - 2010.03.20 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: xylopia
Originally by: Turiel Demon àI wouldn't be surprised to see Neod overshoot that price quite easily,à
Guess what, youÆre right and IÆm wrong. My bad.
BTW, I've been such a sorry ass with 2m Neod in my hanger. Everytime ppl beat their chest with iskies from tech, I swallowed salty tears deep down in my throat. All those months I was holding myself from banging my head to the thickest part of wall for not buying up Tech; those days are going fast. ItÆs finally the time to shine some light on æem. Now that IÆm not that shabby after all.
Thanks for pointing out.
Well, I guess that's probably one of the times you'd been most happy to be wrong in recent history?
Seriously, congrats on still having some Neod, I managed to pick up a little over the last couple of weeks but nowhere near 2m
I hadn't expected it to suddenly jump to 50k, a price which is almost certainly unsustainable, but I expect that those small orders racing eachother down that just hit 30k are going to find themselves bought up and relisted pretty soon if they go much further...
Prices may settle anywhere between 25k and 45k and still get blowled right over in the coming week... producers are still going to want to buy 600k+/day, and unlike the Big Tech Spike, where prices were rising with trading over 4x actual daily usage, here we have trading that is only slightlly (20%?) over actual daily use. This whole spike has taken place during 14 days that are actually slightlyl below average. All this just to say that I very much doubt we'll see a reactionary crash like we did with Tech... there simply aren't large enough (active) stocks out there for it IMO.
If you can't beat Eris, join her, hmmm that sounded so much better in my head - Cortes Don't be greedy :P -Cap |
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xylopia
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.03.20 15:39:00 -
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Look who's talking. A guy with a couple million tech in his pocket patting my shoulder... Hmmm...
Originally by: Turiel Demon Prices may settle anywhere between 25k and 45k and still get blowled right over in the coming week.
I can't argue with that. Look how quickly it settles down, but I'm sure it will rise back again. |
Turiel Demon
Minmatar Celtic industries F A I L
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Posted - 2010.03.20 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: xylopia Look who's talking. A guy with a couple million tech in his pocket patting my shoulder... Hmmm...
Originally by: Turiel Demon Prices may settle anywhere between 25k and 45k and still get blowled right over in the coming week.
I can't argue with that. Look how quickly it settles down, but I'm sure it will rise back again.
Rumours of my Tech stocks are greatly exagerated... that's Akita with the 7m units.
Seriously, with 2m units of neod if it sells over 30k/unit you're a good bit richer than me
If you can't beat Eris, join her, hmmm that sounded so much better in my head - Cortes Don't be greedy :P -Cap |
Martosh Toma
Gallente Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2010.03.20 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Martosh Toma on 20/03/2010 15:56:10 what if pi required drone minerals? and perhaps allowed (inneficcient) production of them
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.03.20 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Turiel Demon Rumours of my Tech stocks are greatly exagerated... that's Akita with the 7m units.
Peak tech stock was a bit over 6.2 mil units (average purchase price 11.2k), have around 5.5 mil left (yikes). Neo, that I bought only around 350k units at 3k per unit and sold at 13.4k per unit just before the patch hit.
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar Celtic industries F A I L
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Posted - 2010.03.22 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Turiel Demon Rumours of my Tech stocks are greatly exagerated... that's Akita with the 7m units.
Peak tech stock was a bit over 6.2 mil units (average purchase price 11.2k), have around 5.5 mil left (yikes). Neo, that I bought only around 350k units at 3k per unit and sold at 13.4k per unit just before the patch hit.
Well then as an impartial observer on Neod what're your thoughts?
So far noone seems to be coming out to agree or disagree with what I've been thinking
If you can't beat Eris, join her, hmmm that sounded so much better in my head - Cortes Don't be greedy :P -Cap |
Treji
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Posted - 2010.03.22 21:13:00 -
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Noe not being manipulated...my a**e it's not. There are 3 recognised manipulators involved, and the price has gone suddenly from 12k a unit to 24k. Classic dropping of market to 10200 or so to buy up stock, then a market buyout. It could be maintained at this price range whilst wars distract haulers from Neo moon alliances...but its bound to drop quickly when this stock hits markets again.
Has this thread just turned into a speculators posting thread, each trying to outdo others by making spurious announcements to move markets upwards in some sort of ****ing competition?
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.03.22 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Treji Has this thread just turned into a speculators posting thread, each trying to outdo others by making spurious announcements to move markets upwards in some sort of ****ing competition?
rofl
like 15-20 pages ago
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Nestor Ne'Arthe
Amarr RennTech BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.23 20:21:00 -
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I see that the neodymium market has crashed a bit.
Yesterday sell orders were hovering around 24k, buy around 22k. Today we have Sell orders 21k, buy orders going quickly down from 19k to 13k.
Not many buy orders around as well. I guess someone dumped a large quantity on the market?
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xylopia
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.03.24 00:39:00 -
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When Neod hit 50k, I shook my head in realizing manipulation attempt. And as its price slowly but surely settles down right this moment, the pain of seeing my wealth greatly diminishes minute by minute just murders me.
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Nestor Ne'Arthe
Amarr RennTech BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.24 09:18:00 -
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Neo Sell orders just went down from 19k to 17k. Market is crumbling down like old buildings :P
Lost some 50 mil on that so far ;/
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