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Isil Rahsen Gallente Ferrum Superum	Posted - 2009.11.13 16:46:00 - [1] Edited by: Isil Rahsen on 13/11/2009 16:55:46 Another stealth nerf. So ruining the Moros wasn't good enough but you had to nerf the **** out of the Nag too? http://i36.tinypic.com/2ymjga9.jpg So the (not) so great CCP Nozh, what is the reason behind this?
Ragel Tropxe DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.13 16:51:00 - [2] Epic! they finally boost the Naglfar after recognising it had major issues - then within a few months they re-nerf it, only they also change the bonus so that its WORSE than before (now 5% damage on guns rather than 5% rof). Plus we have to another capital skill to train, plus half of our weapons have such nerfed explosion velocity you need to shoot supercaps to get full damage I hope this is a mistake
Mashashige Minmatar Eternal Perseverance Hellstrome Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.13 16:53:00 - [3] I have no experience with the nag - but how (other than capital missiles being pretty bad as mentioned by someone on the "dont nerf the pheonix weapon systems" thread) is the nag being nerfed? I thought it had 5% ROF to guns + 5% ROF to missiles since it was made? ======================================= "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."
Isil Rahsen Gallente Ferrum Superum	Posted - 2009.11.13 16:54:00 - [4] Originally by: Mashashige I have no experience with the nag - but how (other than capital missiles being pretty bad as mentioned by someone on the "dont nerf the pheonix weapon systems" thread) is the nag being nerfed? I thought it had 5% ROF to guns + 5% ROF to missiles since it was made? It's current bonuses are 7.5% Damage on Proj and 7.5% Rof on Projectiles. Check TQ.
Larkness modro Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.11.13 16:56:00 - [5] Yer dont expect an answer they wont unless u put the words petition in the title and then u can guarantee it will get locked asap - ill be surprised if they dont lock this as well
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.11.13 16:57:00 - [6] Originally by: Isil Rahsen Originally by: Mashashige I have no experience with the nag - but how (other than capital missiles being pretty bad as mentioned by someone on the "dont nerf the pheonix weapon systems" thread) is the nag being nerfed? I thought it had 5% ROF to guns + 5% ROF to missiles since it was made? It's current bonuses are 7.5% Damage on Proj and 7.5% Rof on Projectiles. Check TQ. Didn't they change the capital weapons after changing the Nagl to 7.5% bonus? That would explain the change in the bonus, because the weapons already come buffed now. --------
Ragel Tropxe DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.13 16:59:00 - [7] copied from a post on scrapheap. Guns dont much different to me (they are nerfed if anything) 6x2500mm AC TQ->Sisi Tracking: 0.0216 -> 0.00486 RoF: 11.81 -> 9.45 Optimal: 8km -> 20km Falloff: 32km -> 19km DmgMod: 5.39 -> 5.8 The tracking reduction isn't actually as bad as it looks, as the Siege Module got changed from -92.5% to -50% tracking = in siege, the new tracking is actually better than the old. Quad 3500mm Artillery TQ->Sisi Tracking: 0.0045 -> 0.0018 RoF: 35.44 -> 35.44 Optimal: 80km -> 72km Falloff: 70km -> 70km DmgMod: 12.075 -> 12.075
Pattern Clarc Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.11.13 16:59:00 - [8] This is pretty appalling form tbh. Ion Siege cannons seem to have been nerfed along with repeating artillery optimal also. ____ Domination Balance (Or how we fix the Tempest)
Isil Rahsen Gallente Ferrum Superum	Posted - 2009.11.13 17:01:00 - [9] Edited by: Isil Rahsen on 13/11/2009 17:03:08 As the posters above have pointed out the current changes to XL Projectiles are a buff to ammo while nerfing the tracking of both Autos and Artys. They've also nerfed the base optimal of the 3500mm Quad Arties from 80km down to 72km, while the XL Autos gain a 20km optimal and 19km falloff. These changes in no way make up for the loss of the ROF bonus on the guns. I could almost stomach the nerf to outright gun damage since the ammo is boosted but this is ridiculous. Nag will be the worst dread yet again.
Pattern Clarc Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.11.13 17:21:00 - [10] I really don't understand decreasing the DPS of dreads. Post domination, DPS will be the last remaining use to fly them often as SOV will no longer revolve around shooting fortified structures. They already have a hard time shooting against RR carriers as they stand. I'm pretty certain now, that the balance team really have no idea what their doing. ____ Domination Balance (Or how we fix the Tempest)

Schmell	Posted - 2009.11.13 17:22:00 - [11] ZOMG Is it trolling or what? Is it real? (cant verify now - have no test client)
Ragel Tropxe DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.13 17:23:00 - [12] perhaps this is panic measure to try to justify nerfing mothership DPS??? its anyone sguess at this stage. btw Rev owners - your Dread seems to be the only one untouched atm - keep an eye out on Sisi
Graalum Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.13 17:25:00 - [13] this is bizarre. what the **** is ccp doing?
Pedron Niaal Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.13 17:25:00 - [14] Originally by: Pattern Clarc I really don't understand decreasing the DPS of dreads. Post domination, DPS will be the last remaining use to fly them often as SOV will no longer revolve around shooting fortified structures. They already have a hard time shooting against RR carriers as they stand. I'm pretty certain now, that the balance team really have no idea what their doing. / signed Are these people actually playing the game or creating random changes? The Naglfar was perfect as it was in this Patch. The Cruise Citadel Launchers dont interest my 2 Naglfar Pilots, its the guns that matter anyways for capital combat.
Kraken Kill Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.13 17:33:00 - [15] Someone make a Save our naglfar Signature ASAP to go with the Save our Mothership Sigs.
Mkiaki Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.11.13 17:38:00 - [16] It's a change for the better. I think CCP are really on the ball with this one.
Elaron Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.13 17:40:00 - [17] Originally by: Pattern Clarc I'm pretty certain now, that the balance team really have no idea what their doing. I've been of that opinion since the non-answer about balance in the never-repeated "I'll answer all your questions" thread a couple of years ago. There is apparently a dev blog coming, presumably about all capital warfare, and it had better be pretty damn epic otherwise - well, they thought the negativity they saw about ghost training and the carrier nerf was bad?
Mkiaki Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.11.13 17:54:00 - [18] Originally by: Elaron Originally by: Pattern Clarc I'm pretty certain now, that the balance team really have no idea what their doing. I've been of that opinion since the non-answer about balance in the never-repeated "I'll answer all your questions" thread a couple of years ago. There is apparently a dev blog coming, presumably about all capital warfare, and it had better be pretty damn epic otherwise - well, they thought the negativity they saw about ghost training and the carrier nerf was bad? Seriously man it's all good. CCP knows what they're doing.
Graalum Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.13 17:59:00 - [19] Originally by: Mkiaki Originally by: Elaron Originally by: Pattern Clarc I'm pretty certain now, that the balance team really have no idea what their doing. I've been of that opinion since the non-answer about balance in the never-repeated "I'll answer all your questions" thread a couple of years ago. There is apparently a dev blog coming, presumably about all capital warfare, and it had better be pretty damn epic otherwise - well, they thought the negativity they saw about ghost training and the carrier nerf was bad? Seriously man it's all good. CCP knows what they're doing. ahahah nice troll
Catari Taga Centre Of Attention Rough Necks	Posted - 2009.11.13 18:10:00 - [20] I have to applaud CCP, they must have a bet running at the office who can generate the most tears. /sarcasm

Graalum Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.13 20:19:00 - [21] can we get a dev response?
Isil Rahsen Gallente Ferrum Superum	Posted - 2009.11.13 20:25:00 - [22] We probably need to threadnought before we'll see any replies from CCP.
Arramis Minmatar ROMANIA Renegades Legiunea ROmana	Posted - 2009.11.13 20:39:00 - [23] Edited by: Arramis on 13/11/2009 20:41:32 They really need to fire the "ballance" team .. or start someday ... TO play eve. Until then i bet lot`s of the old players .. that players that give the **ing feedback...will probably emo-rage-quit. WTF is WRONG with you CCP? OH .. but look ...how beautiful are the stars! ... it`s true ..that worlds average IQ is dropping... ------------------------------------------ Manelele`s expresia clara a prostiei si inculturii romanesti.**
Altair Mogwa Amok. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.11.13 20:43:00 - [24] Originally by: Isil Rahsen We probably need to threadnought before we'll see any replies from CCP. While i never believed they would change back to the old capital cyno effect it's the biggest petition thread I had/have seen in a long time, and it never even got an acknowledgment. Most you can hope for is early on responses to dev blogs in the comments thread, or when they open up testing and as for input, like when they rolled out the new mail system.
Pattern Clarc Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.11.13 20:52:00 - [25] Originally by: Altair Mogwa While i never believed they would change back to the old capital cyno effect it's the biggest petition thread I had/have seen in a long time, and it never even got an acknowledgment. Originally by: CCP Abathur While I do not know exactly what is being done, the last time I spoke to someone in graphics I was assured that this is being addressed and that the end result will be "more better awesome mozo cool". You may all proceed to spam the "WHEN?!" button, but that's all the information I have at this time. :) Threadnoughts do actually work. ____ Domination Balance (Or how we fix the Tempest)
Altair Mogwa Amok. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.11.13 23:15:00 - [26] Originally by: Pattern Clarc Threadnoughts do actually work. I missed that post, and just got owned in the face.
Urhgo Khanab Minmatar Rogen's Heroes	Posted - 2009.11.14 00:30:00 - [27] This makes me unhappy. Plz keep the Naglfar focused on projectiles. I like it as it is now on TQ
Koltranx	Posted - 2009.11.14 00:45:00 - [28] Problems started here This started this mess and it is not even a boost.
Kalia Masaer Rosa Castellum	Posted - 2009.11.14 01:23:00 - [29] I am not a dread pilot, but I do fly other minmatar ships and have to say divided bonuses are well just plain annoying. It actually removes versatility because you have to fit both weapon types to be remotely effective. Where with a single bonus allows you to be a little more versatile by droping an unbonused weapon for something unexpected. Some of you will say but look at the phoon, well the phoon has enough drones to make it tolerable if you don't even fit a weapon on the thing. Bonus a single weapon CCP for pete's sake.
Isil Rahsen Gallente Ferrum Superum	Posted - 2009.11.14 02:01:00 - [30] Here's a novel thought. How about they leave it the **** alone since it was just boosted to being useful this year for christs sake.



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