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Seishi Maru The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.11.15 22:33:00 - [61] I think some of them care. And tries to do the correct hings on the last few months and patches. But there is some game dev that outranks them that was on vacation or somethign like that.. and now that he is back he is destroying everything and makign the same stupidity that was happening not so long ago... its the only logical explanation.
Ninninx Jaasii Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.15 23:16:00 - [62] The CCP Balance team were also running the Icelandic economy prior to the crunch. So fear not - They know what they're doing.
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.16 01:01:00 - [63] once everyone stops using titans and super carreiers ccp will buff em again alwyas works that way Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2009.11.16 02:22:00 - [64] I just checked Sisi and the original post is legit. I really can't believe they made this change without any sort of announcement. This is untenable. If the Naglar was pure pwnage with the ammo/XL projectile changes in tubes, CCP should really reduce the 7.5%/level bonuses, not change it into something worse than its first incarnation. The Nagfar required a ridiculous amount of training for poor performance originally. With the introduction of XL Cruise missiles as well as changes to XL Torps, the training times would become infinitely worse for something far less effective. Someone has made a massive, massive mistake. Look at the numbers, and if 7.5% ROF/Damage is too much, make it 7.5% Damage/5% ROF. If the changes are so effing ridiculous at the XL level that even that is too much, make it 5% Damage/5% ROF. Do not make the Nag a split system ship again.
Isil Rahsen Gallente Ferrum Superum	Posted - 2009.11.16 04:04:00 - [65] Originally by: Seriously Bored Someone has made a massive, massive mistake. Look at the numbers, and if 7.5% ROF/Damage is too much, make it 7.5% Damage/5% ROF. If the changes are so effing ridiculous at the XL level that even that is too much, make it 5% Damage/5% ROF. Do not make the Nag a split system ship again. ^This oh ****ing god this.
Nye Jaran	Posted - 2009.11.16 07:19:00 - [66] I'm probably one of the few people that don't mind the split weapon system. Hell, I'm not even particularly bothered by needing to train Citadel Cruise (already have Cruise 5, so what's one more skill?). What bothers me is, when you include the the bonus changes and the citadel missile changes, the ship is unable to bring to bear it's full DPS against small and medium towers. Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't dreads introduced to fulfill a primary role of DPS during POS sieges? The anti-capital role was secondary, yes? So, why the hell can't it hit a small tower for full damage? It's not enough that up until the last boost the Nag was extremely subpar when compared to other Dreads, but now we can't even properly fulfill the role that CCP has publicly stated (I'll get the source for this tomorrow, it's too late tonight) is the ships primary purpose.
Rayokashi	Posted - 2009.11.16 07:30:00 - [67] Who is responsible for this change? Bump for great justice!
gorak cz Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.16 08:13:00 - [68] I'll leave it with hope that its bad joke or fail old ship info Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator
OMGGANK	Posted - 2009.11.16 11:04:00 - [69] Originally by: gorak cz I'll leave it with hope that its bad joke or fail old ship info All of us hope is that...
Seishi Maru The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.11.16 11:50:00 - [70] Anyoen with some good common sense at CCP! Pay attention. Naglfar must be projectiles focused!! You can even remove the stupid citatel launchers! Do not balance (or should I say unbalance) the ship based on a scenario that will NOT happen (fights at 30 km).

BearCare Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.16 14:45:00 - [71] 3 questions. 1. Why isn't this on first page? 2. CCP why are you using subcap ammo changes for caps? The new ammos are **** for artillery, and short range capital weapons are rather useless, as we all know. Please, rethink this. 3. If the new bonuses and ammo stays, can we get something like a Role bonus: +50% damage for projectiles, so naglfars can still compete with other races? Thanks in advance. And now for something completely different! It's BearCare's Flying Signature.
Kai Lae Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.11.16 15:04:00 - [72] I'd love to see a justification for this change, because as far as I can tell there isn't one.
Walker Bulldog Minmatar VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD	Posted - 2009.11.16 15:54:00 - [73] Originally by: Kai Lae I'd love to see a justification for this change, because as far as I can tell there isn't one. There still are some pilots flying Minmatar capitals - this cannot be allowed to continue. Hence the changes.
Dont AFK	Posted - 2009.11.16 15:56:00 - [74] oh noes, the nag was finally awesome, and now they ****ed it up again. What is it CCP? you dont like minmatar? First, you give us split-weapon systems, on many ships (ex typhoon). split-weapon always means lower dps. Then you nerf nano. Nano was minmatars biggest str. After a while you nerf missiles. and now you re-nerf the dread which finally was the best dread ingame. COMON CCP, just remove mini.
Elaron Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.16 16:14:00 - [75] Originally by: Mkiaki The change to the Nag is awesome Are you a bitter Moros pilot? :P Once again, Nozh - and I'm sure it was you that did this - you really must reconsider this change. Doing this at this stage seems, well, petty.
Vir Hellnamin Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.11.16 16:28:00 - [76] Edited by: Vir Hellnamin on 16/11/2009 16:27:52 I'm not sure how bitter Moros' pilots can be, since according to the Show Info - like the Nagl in this thread was quoted - Moros has the old +50%/lvl for drone-damage back... so either a) whole thing smells like CCP style bad config control, b) Moros got boosted, since Nyx is new station-camping Moros ;) -- "Entering MH means instant death. It's worse than 0.0. Even the asteroids shoot back." - Alex Harumichi [GRD]
Myrkala Minmatar Aurora Acclivitous	Posted - 2009.11.16 17:13:00 - [77] This is worrying, I started to train for the Naglfar after they boosted it. If these changes are true and not a mistake I'm not going to waste my time training for it anymore. I might as well just train for a Revelation. I know the grass is always greener on the other side, but as things are looking they most likely are.
Kai Lae Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.11.16 18:15:00 - [78] Originally by: Walker Bulldog There still are some pilots flying Minmatar capitals - this cannot be allowed to continue. Hence the changes. All lols aside, this is actually why I think there's little chance that it'll be undone. The naggy was so awful for so long there's very few people who actually use one anymore. Therefore the amount of complaints when they take a perfectly working dread and revert it into a horrible POS again will be low because so few people care. It'd be like small smartbombs, to most of the playerbase they probably wouldn't even notice. However, I'm still at a loss why the change was a good idea in the first place. Ammo changes? Doesn't add any additional damage overall, just allows you to select type of damage. Combine that with citadel torp nerfing and you have one dread nerfed really, really hard for 0 apparent reason. Meanwhile, revelation is as awesome as always. There seems to be no logic behind it all, it's almost like their using a magic 8 ball on mondays on what they should nerf next.
BearCare Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.16 18:41:00 - [79] Originally by: Kai Lae Meanwhile, revelation is as awesome as always. There seems to be no logic behind it all, it's almost like their using a magic 8 ball on mondays on what they should nerf next. Apparently they forgot to include lasers on this magic 8-ball and only have them on the buff one.. And now for something completely different! It's BearCare's Flying Signature.
Sovarin Caldari Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.11.16 18:48:00 - [80] Edited by: Sovarin on 16/11/2009 18:48:53 Originally by: Kai Lae Meanwhile, revelation is as awesome as always. There seems to be no logic behind it all, it's almost like their using a magic 8 ball on mondays on what they should nerf next. This 8 ball is named CCP Abathur. He thinks the changes are brilliant. Seriously tho, poor nag pilots. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Pattern Clarc Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.11.16 20:40:00 - [81] Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 16/11/2009 20:41:10 These changes where done by Nozh along with the Super-carrier changes FYI. I'm just furious that there's been no rationale or even explanation as to why. Seems like typical Ninja Dev to save the day action here tbh. ____ Domination Balance (Or how we fix the Tempest)
Alhambra Rainwalker Caldari Rosa Alba Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.16 21:22:00 - [82] Edited by: Alhambra Rainwalker on 16/11/2009 21:21:54 Seems pretty stupid, Naglfar was decently good now. Kind of like rupture that is mostly about turret damage with a bit of auxiliary dps coming from missiles if you want. If those projectile changes gave it too much dps just cut down on those bonuses a bit, don¦t swap them back to the old suckiness or worse. I¦d like to have a reason to actually train for a vertical dread but if this goes in I¦ll go with cookie cutter revelation or moros which actually was boosted for longer ranges.
Sae Jabar	Posted - 2009.11.17 00:28:00 - [83] according to someone who currently has sisi installed, the damage mod on 1000mm rails has been dropped from 5.5 to 5.3. yet another nerf to the Moros as well why are you doing these crap changes when you clearly have no clue of their impact? The only reason your company is popular is because of the addictiveness of the mmorpgs; keep pressing the limits and you'll see a steady drop in subscribers. Only then will you realize you ruined the game when everyone is back in the shark-fin soup line in Reykjavik!
Vadinho GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.17 00:44:00 - [84] Originally by: Pattern Clarc Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 16/11/2009 20:50:28 Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 16/11/2009 20:41:10 These changes where done by Nozh along with the Super-carrier changes FYI. I'm just furious that there's been no rationale or even explanation as to why. Seems like typical Jack Bauer Dev going rouge to save the day by ninja edits to the database action here tbh. ccp nozh, in fixing what isnt broken until it is broken and stomping on what is broken until its fragile amber crystals are pulverized into a shimmering power, will accomplish what we failed to do in four years of trying he will destroy the game
sue denim	Posted - 2009.11.17 03:18:00 - [85] just cant leave minnies alone huh ;p give em a little fun but then its back to the slave pits :\|
Cornette Gallente Black Screen of Death Huzzah Federation	Posted - 2009.11.17 11:34:00 - [86] Originally by: Pattern Clarc Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 16/11/2009 20:41:10 These changes where done by Nozh along with the Super-carrier changes FYI. I'm just furious that there's been no rationale or even explanation as to why. Seems like typical Jack Bauer Dev going rouge to save the day by ninja edits to the database action here tbh. This makes me wonder if there is some kind of discord between the Devs and they are not really speaking with each other. Or discord between the teams of devs who do balancing, like some kind of "turf war". The fixing of the Naglfar was done after years of being broken when we had a several pages long whinethread about it. That made me buy and train for one and with it undone and back to crap without a posted reason why I seriously doubt I will use one again. It will be hard to sell, so I might as well insure it for full, self-destruct and save the isk for one of the new unbalanced supercarriers. Then me and my alliance will go camp a lowsec entrypoint with 20 of them. ---
Tyby tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.11.17 11:52:00 - [87] Originally by: Schmell Edited by: Schmell on 15/11/2009 17:43:08 Originally by: Cornette Now if I train for Amarr the nerf train should reach full circle soon enough. Oh plz train amarr faster, i beg you. So, what do we have: 1) Sov revamp. Result: strange 2) AF boost. Status: cancelled 3) Projectiles boost. Status: falloff boost cancelled in the very last moment 4) Capital ships and weapons rebalance. Status: totally **ed up 5).... I think this patch should have name "Eve-Online: Asylum"**
Hun Jakuza 24th Imperial Guard	Posted - 2009.11.17 12:10:00 - [88] Another minmatar and gallente nerf. Would be change the game name to Amarr online.
Otebski	Posted - 2009.11.17 13:48:00 - [89] At least its still VERTICAL!
Roemy Schneider Vanishing Point.	Posted - 2009.11.17 14:23:00 - [90] Originally by: Otebski At least its still VERTICAL! don't give them any more ideas... - putting the gist back into logistics



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