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Darth Kailyn
Minmatar BESTIAL CARNAGE Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.22 03:33:00 -
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You are assuming an awful lot there. They are investigating are they not?
This entire thread is nothing but people that are part of the NC or fan boys that are hoping CCP does not remove the ships that appeared after DT, and people that are part of the SC or fan boys that are hoping CCP does remove the ships that appeared after DT.
Lets just wait for the findings from the investigation. How many days has it been anyways?
Apparently I missed something, but 17 pages of this "NC" thread is filled with SC talking about NC tears. then it switched to SC crying "Oh God the NC is BFF's with the GM's! CRY!!!!!!!1!! PRZ mister GM's don't give them back their titanz!!!!
Posting in this magical place where there is invisible NC poasters crying about titans dying, and the SC chestbeating it into a pulp after yet again another dissapointing "were gonna break up the north campaign."
I know im a terrible poster. Carry on gents.
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Veronique deEstelle
Gallente 3M Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.22 04:37:00 -
[662]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Veronique deEstelle
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Ishbu So what happens if CCP determines from Server logs that infact the ships did jump and the bug was them respawning, "ghosting", back in 6nj? That is a valid outcome as is the "ships died, ghost ships are deleted."
If that was the case then GM Grimmi's post was incorrect. He clearly states the ships had died. Which I am sure he checked the infamous logs before posting that. Why do you guys keep conveniently forgetting about his post?
He also states that they still investigating the case. Why do you guys keep reading only the part of his post that fits your agenda?
I already read all of his post and commented and all on everything. Perhaps you should read the whole thread before posting.
As I see it you did interpret his post... exept the part where it says that the matter is still under investigation. And yes, I read the whole thread so I also found your post where you bolded the parts important to you. I just kinda disagree with your choice.
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Botia Macracantha
Minmatar freelancers inc -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.06.22 05:32:00 -
[663]
OK, I have a question or two (coz I haven't seen anything posted to this effect), but has anyone asked about the tactics that the original "well constructed trap" was based on ?
Looking at descriptions of the numbers of ships (much fewer in number) deployed to take on the NC fleet, surely they were planning to rely on grid loading issues to kill the larger incoming forces?
And so my second question is, at what point does this become an exploit, knowing what the outcome of logonski of forces in system would be ? (yes there is a post up there somewhere that implied a good portion of the anti-NC forces logged on when the NC Titan forces jumped in - leaving their already loaded "bait" fleet to own the field).
End of the day, we all missed out on being part of an epic fight thanks to the state of the game in recent months. If both sides had fully loaded, who knows what might have happened ? My frustration was sitting for 4 hours trying to load, eventually flying out without firing a shot. As for the SuperCaps, I am not going to add to the debate over which was the false spawn - this was a symptom of a failing game, the root cause fix is of more interest - assuming CCP are going to deliver one ...
I can't believe that CCP aren't putting effort into identifying the duff coding or whatever, but I can believe they might be reaching unpalatable (for them) conclusions over the fixes needed i.e. some or all recent feature additions would have to be removed. And since planet facilities have spread like a disease, I doubt that this will be sacrificed (for example). This, to me, explains CCP silence on this issue more clearly than the 20+ pages of rage and counter rage.
I am approaching my 7th year in the game, and sure, I have whinged a bit at changes over the years, but the extent that CCP seem unable to prioritise large scale PVP is now a serious concern for me. The recent promotional efforts are all geared towards showing a mode of gameplay that the game can no longer sustain. And yet, by not being seen to address the deficiencies in large scale combat, perhaps CCP are admitting this area of the game is unimportant to them from a revenue standpoint. Videos of rock munchers, level 4 hisec mission runners, and Jita 4-4 station market screen might be a more honest view of the current game. Someone's St. Bernard has taken a dump in the sandbox, and is doing a poor job of burying it.
Dear CCP, unless your plan is to p1ss enough people off so that the load on the servers reduces through natural wastage, please, please, scale back work on DUST, walking in stations, and planet humping v1.02, and accelerate (get to?) work on 0.0 fleet / sov warefare so SC and NC can get back to slapping each other around in whatever numbers they choose to field.
Of course, if the issues above aren't a priority because it doesn't get more money in the game, carry on. I for one dont need all the accounts I currently run for such a game, and I guess I am not alone. Don't be surprised if you see an increase in toon shuffling / account consolidation from PVPers if the game continues to fail them.
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Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.22 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky Lets just wait for the findings from the investigation. How many days has it been anyways?
Not enough, and too much, both at the same time.
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Gertrud ToD
Minmatar Terrorists of Dimensions Electric Monkey Overlords
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Posted - 2010.06.22 07:31:00 -
[665]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Multiple people said the battlefield was bubbled to hell and back.
bubble exploits!!!
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Tyby
Gallente KANTAI HIKAGE White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.22 07:52:00 -
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Originally by: Botia Macracantha
OK, I have a question or two (coz I haven't seen anything posted to this effect), but has anyone asked about the tactics that the original "well constructed trap" was based on ?
Looking at descriptions of the numbers of ships (much fewer in number) deployed to take on the NC fleet, surely they were planning to rely on grid loading issues to kill the larger incoming forces?
And so my second question is, at what point does this become an exploit, knowing what the outcome of logonski of forces in system would be ? (yes there is a post up there somewhere that implied a good portion of the anti-NC forces logged on when the NC Titan forces jumped in - leaving their already loaded "bait" fleet to own the field).
there was no logosky trap involved:
Quote: We started cyno at our pos for conter-hotdrop; we started cyno after all NC supercaps where on the battlefield, countered and bubbled. Our supercaps alligned to bv- gate and WARP IN GRID WHERE ALL NC SUPERCAPS AND CAPS ARE ALREADY LOADED and grid was full of drones.
WN supercap fleet cynoed in sistem after the nc fleet, but not on the battlefield(like nc fleet), they cynoed at WN tower, loaded sistem, and then warped to BV- gate where the battle was already started. Also 6nj it's rebelion home sistem, tere is no way someone will be able to logoff there a capitall fleet without anyone noticing it
btw, you can find the larger br on shc
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gala gidas
Amarr Parental Control Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.22 07:57:00 -
[667]
People move on... the thread was getting boring from page 10..now its just sad...
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Zuquar Bonaparte
Gallente New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.22 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Botia Macracantha OK, I have a question or two (coz I haven't seen anything posted to this effect), but has anyone asked about the tactics that the original "well constructed trap" was based on ?
Looking at descriptions of the numbers of ships (much fewer in number) deployed to take on the NC fleet, surely they were planning to rely on grid loading issues to kill the larger incoming forces?
And so my second question is, at what point does this become an exploit, knowing what the outcome of logonski of forces in system would be ? (yes there is a post up there somewhere that implied a good portion of the anti-NC forces logged on when the NC Titan forces jumped in - leaving their already loaded "bait" fleet to own the field).
first off all there is a battlereport on scrapheap you should try read, about a well planned attack from WN and friends.the trap did not involve counting on lag issues but the fact that NC thru weeks have been useing titans like battleships . 2nd , if this should be an exploit to use lag and loading problems as a tactic then maybe you should petition Nc for useing that as there main tactic thruout the time that has gone since dominion was introduced. about outnumberd , i can only say that many from WN side never even got on any killmails as they never loaded grid or targets to infact get a shot off on anything, myself included. you state that the logonski was an effort to cause load problems, but the truth is that loggin off titan pilots so the enemy can not see they are online is the only way to get NC to actually fall for the bait it was, as every serious FC has knowledge of the other sides online titans, and it was done so NC thought they was safe to use there titan bs fleet as the battlereport allso will show you.
i am not trying to troll for any side on this, yes there are big issues with the server when it comes to battles like this, and it needs to be dealt with no matter who gets to keep there ships or them being removed from the game.
I totally agree about CCP should put more effort into fixing these issues, iv said for years now that expansion every year is a bad thing and the only thing CCP really cares about is winning the game off the year award so they can sell more accounts, wich is why my advise to everyone would be stop voting on diffrent sites for eve to be the best game ever every year until they actually fix such issues, as all you actually are doing is help CCP get more customers and care less about fixing issues. Once they start fixing issues like this and bugs that has been in game for years , then i think everyone again should vote this game for game of the year award as it is an absolutely awesome game if there wasnt such a big amount of frustration involved for ppl that love it as much as you and I aparently do.
"primary the Freki " "ok ok but which 1!!" |
Botia Macracantha
Minmatar freelancers inc -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.06.22 19:14:00 -
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Thx for the tip to read the scrapheap report. This from the non-NC scout :
"... First change came around 18.50 as I was doing new safespots all around system : cyno up and blues jumping in and/or logging in. Local soon rised to 569,..."
So first numbers escalation was from the non-NC side jumping into what was to that point a BS engagement it sounds like. Following that escalation, NC try to make a decisive counter move - game fails. I've underlined the part that relates to my earlier question, which i guess is answered.
Anyway, I wasn't looking for a troll fest - main point of my post was that the game is reduced to "he who loads first wins". Neither side can restrain the urge to escalate when it gets suddenly outnumbered - seems natural to me, and not an NC-only tactic as your scout's report affirms.
To the other guy - If you aren't interested, don't post.
As for me, my curiosity is satisfied, thank-you.
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Crucifier
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.22 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Botia Macracantha Thx for the tip to read the scrapheap report. This from the non-NC scout :
"... First change came around 18.50 as I was doing new safespots all around system : cyno up and blues jumping in and/or logging in. Local soon rised to 569,..."
So first numbers escalation was from the non-NC side jumping into what was to that point a BS engagement it sounds like. Following that escalation, NC try to make a decisive counter move - game fails. I've underlined the part that relates to my earlier question, which i guess is answered.
Anyway, I wasn't looking for a troll fest - main point of my post was that the game is reduced to "he who loads first wins". Neither side can restrain the urge to escalate when it gets suddenly outnumbered - seems natural to me, and not an NC-only tactic as your scout's report affirms.
To the other guy - If you aren't interested, don't post.
As for me, my curiosity is satisfied, thank-you.
I refuse to believe a member of my species can be that mentally handicapped. NC supercaps were loaded before WN supercaps jumped in. That's the only thing that matters in that engagement.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.22 20:24:00 -
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Sextus Licinius
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.22 20:25:00 -
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Pointless to talk about who loaded or not. After 15-25 mins we were bridged in, we had to relog and a few of us managed to load, only to not be able to target anything, even if i could control my ship, moving and warping around fine. Never experienced this kind of "lag" or whatever that was before.
"These people that we've wasted today are the finest human beings ever. When we'll rotate back in the world, we gonna miss not having anyone worth shooting...
Full Metal Jacket" |
PCaBoo
Caldari Quam Singulari Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.23 08:59:00 -
[673]
Must be some epic investigating. ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything! |
Snot Shot
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:06:00 -
[674]
I think CCP is hoping we all forget about thisàà Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot
BAM!! HEAD SHOT!!! |
PCaBoo
Caldari No.Mercy
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:15:00 -
[675]
Originally by: Snot Shot I think CCP is hoping we all forget about thisàà
CCC ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything! |
Metal Dude
Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
Well? We are still waiting? What's the deal? Are you going to let your NC GM buddies keep the titans or what?
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Facepalm
Amarr Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:18:00 -
[677]
Geez these BoB guys sure want to be able to call someone else out on "GM misconduct" issues. I wonder why... |
Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:32:00 -
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Edited by: Marlona Sky on 24/06/2010 23:32:35 Relax guys. It was a bug(s) that caused <insert whatever fits your spin here> and they are trying to figure out what. It is a lose lose situation for CCP right now. If they remove them NC + all supports of NC will scream that SC has DEVs working for them. If they stay then SC + all supports of NC will scream that NC has DEVs working for them.
Why would anyone be in a rush to face that mess?
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PCaBoo
Caldari No.Mercy
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky Edited by: Marlona Sky on 24/06/2010 23:32:35 Relax guys. It was a bug(s) that caused <insert whatever fits your spin here> and they are trying to figure out what. It is a lose lose situation for CCP right now. If they remove them NC + all supports of NC will scream that SC has DEVs working for them. If they stay then SC + all supports of NC will scream that NC has DEVs working for them.
Why would anyone be in a rush to face that mess?
I think it's better to **** off half of eve or the other, rather than enrage us all. :p |
IronGoldenEagle
Caldari The New Era C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:59:00 -
[680]
This thread is now about Brett Farve
and Tim Teebow |
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.25 02:00:00 -
[681]
Originally by: PCaBoo
Originally by: Marlona Sky Edited by: Marlona Sky on 24/06/2010 23:32:35 Relax guys. It was a bug(s) that caused <insert whatever fits your spin here> and they are trying to figure out what. It is a lose lose situation for CCP right now. If they remove them NC + all supports of NC will scream that SC has DEVs working for them. If they stay then SC + all supports of NC will scream that NC has DEVs working for them.
Why would anyone be in a rush to face that mess?
I think it's better to **** off half of eve or the other, rather than enrage us all. :p
NC are not enraged at the moment. They have the ships that are under investigation and are using them daily. They are in no rush for an answer on the possibility they are taken away.
My guess is CCP has the answer already. Right now they are trying to come up with a careful way to present the results to the players to have the least possible rage at them.
For anyone that would like a smiley presentation on current and past events on this, please see below:
Before Fight NC: SC:
NC Jumps Into Trap NC: SC:
NC Loses Supercaps NC: SC:
Right after DT NC: SC: CCP:
Hope everyone is up to speed now. |
Ishbu
Gallente Ishukone Factory
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Posted - 2010.06.25 02:26:00 -
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Edited by: Ishbu on 25/06/2010 02:28:11
Originally by: Marlona Sky
For anyone that would like a smiley presentation on current and past events on this, please see below:
Before Fight NC: SC:
NC Jumps Into Trap NC: SC:
NC Jumps Most SuperCaps out to emergency Cynos leaving some to die NC: SC:
NC Loses All Supercaps, even those that jumped out to a new system NC: SC:
Right after DT NC: SC: CCP: server logs show.... wait a min wtf
Hope everyone is up to speed now.
*fixed it for you :P |
Anikadir
Minmatar DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:22:00 -
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So I take that if you lose your SC or Titan to a lagfest (or any other ship for that matter), you can now file a petition and ask for it to be reimbursed as the precedent has been set by NC getting theirs back, no questions asked
I remember how well SWG went when they started slowly removing the death penalties, and what a classic, well populated game that turned out to be |
Spyra Gryra
Amarr Ship spinners inc
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:27:00 -
[684]
Originally by: Anikadir So I take that if you lose your SC or Titan to a lagfest (or any other ship for that matter), you can now file a petition and ask for it to be reimbursed as the precedent has been set by NC getting theirs back, no questions asked
I remember how well SWG went when they started slowly removing the death penalties, and what a classic, well populated game that turned out to be
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Tyby
Gallente KANTAI HIKAGE White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:59:00 -
[685]
heh, enjoy your new titans NC! |
Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Anikadir So I take that if you lose your SC or Titan to a lagfest (or any other ship for that matter), you can now file a petition and ask for it to be reimbursed as the precedent has been set by NC getting theirs back, no questions asked
So what are you doing to entice CCP to do something about the root cause of this whole situation? Just whine about how NC "cheated"?
That's clever. |
Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Anikadir So I take that if you lose your SC or Titan to a lagfest (or any other ship for that matter), you can now file a petition and ask for it to be reimbursed as the precedent has been set by NC getting theirs back, no questions asked
First of all, the GM specifically stated they were not returned by a GM. Second of all, questions are being asked and CCP are investigating. |
Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky First of all, the GM specifically stated they were not returned by a GM. Second of all, questions are being asked and CCP are investigating.
Still waiting. :P
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IronGoldenEagle
Caldari The New Era C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:44:00 -
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Brett Favre ahd to undergo surgery, but not to his throwing arm, so he should be good for another year. Still age, and an increased lack of mobility won't help the Vikings get anywhere near the NC Championship again.
Denver is kinda bad now and I doubt Teebow will help with that. Alot say his style isn't suited for the NFL and they may be right, but I'm willing to give him a shot and see if Denver does what Florida did and rebuilds the team around his unique style of play. __________________________________
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Robert Ger
Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.25 16:23:00 -
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ok-- alot of nc tears sc tears... and some good stuff...
look, and think again, in large battles, u hav some times the problem, that u reload guns but they did not load, only ammo was used.. next in big battles sometimes, u mwd¦s out and got pwnzed u fly anyways away, but u saw ur ship wreck, yes a ghostship next, the caps ships jumped? why without the destroyed mods ? thats all speak for dead ships, and for old dominion bug, so delete the ghost ships, and pls fix this :)
dead titans are dead, like the wrecks
Originally by: Katsina Imperian, he is my hero, I love him, I am going to hug him and squeeze him and love him and call him George.
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