I took a moment to review the actual math behind plat tech alchemy, and I'm posting my findings below.

:siren: MATH TIME :siren:

Costs:
* 15 fuel blocks: 177,360 isk
* 100 cobalt: free
* 10 platinum: 42,069.70 isk

Subtotal: 219,429.70 isk
Divide by 20 to get 10,971.49 isk per unit of plat tech

Cry me a river, now you only make 2.5 billion isk a month times 100 OTECH moons WAH WAH WAH!

So what happened to the ring mining idea? I assumed groups were going o be able the head into null/low sec and mine moon materials from planet rings.

That would have added additional game play and a more interesting/profitable activity for the miners out there who are willing to risk their ships for a bigger reward.

One step forward, two steps back.

Yes I agree let's rebalance the game everytime someone does something that inconveniences you. OH WAIT that's what CCP has been busy doing.

I like how a bunch of crying miners can whine their way into 85k ehp mining barges and people like you will whine your way into the nerfing of every valuable resource in the game so that you and your buddies won't have to feel so bad about how poor you are, but when I complain to CCP about how your awful alliance uses borderline exploits like resetting POS passwords to fling your jump freighters out of grapecaged POSes nothing is done about it. I guess that's EVE 2012 for you.

Speaking of which, what awful space are you guys renting these days? (Don't lie, I'll know!)

Also, there's no H in OTEC. The more you know!

Yes actually, virtually every big fight up north over the past 5 months has been over a tech moon, and there have been TONS of fights over those moons. Everybody wanted a shot at those moons and just about everybody took a shot, Including AAA doing a field trip north from the the far southern half of the game to fight over them.

No other group in eve has the organizational skills that the CFC has

im flattered

One of the goals up until the beginning of phase two is for Tech to continue being the best moon in the game by a large margin.

Don't forget the point where players cry around because a relative small group of titans could counter a 2k+ fleet ...
wait, who wanted that? never mind.

you want conflict drivers, i like them too and hopefully there is something in the pipelines but ring mining is behind pos revamp so we have to wait for that one. Bringing a bit more balance in income of 0.0 groups is good. the more money the people have the more they want to blow stuff up and don't worry about loosing something.

RvB shows that pretty well. If your enemies have more ships to fight you, you don't have to hang around to shoot structures. Much more fun to shoot spaceships than i-hubs.

Don't forget the point where players cry around because a relative small group of titans could counter a 2k+ fleet ...
wait, who wanted that? never mind.

hahaha....I wonder if you would have said the same about the NC or even GBC who also had this insane special skill of setting things blue.

They said ring mining would be some time after they make the new POS system replacement, only one set of game designers so their focus is on the new POS system and as pretty much everyone who's ever played eve and used a POS wants them scrapped/overhauled etc that's the priority.

What our large breasted friend here is saying is that we're concerned that the tweaks to numbers are possibly being done based on bad long term assumptions - namely, high fuel prices (which will crater with the introduction of the barge changes), and speculatively high platinum and cobalt prices.

The NC was nowhere near as organized as the CFC is. Even the GBC lacked that level of organization.

at the end, valuable Moon Goo will always stay director-level income wich will only benefits a fairly small amount of players

The cost of Cobalt only becomes 0 ISK when the reaction is taking place in the POS where the cobalt is being harvested, at which point the cost of the Cobalt becomes the fuel cost of running the moon harvester.

If Cobalt really is worth 0, why aren't you harvesting the other moon material that the moon offers instead?

Your assumptions are:

POS Fuel ~ 11k ISK
Cobalt ~ 0 ISK
Platinum ~ 4k ISK

But you left out, "nothing more profitable to do with that POS."

The cost of Cobalt only becomes 0 ISK when the reaction is taking place in the POS where the cobalt is being harvested, at which point the cost of the Cobalt becomes the fuel cost of running the moon harvester. You're obviously not using that POS for anything else in the meantime, since you have a harvester, reactor, a coupling and a silo hanging around.

If Cobalt really is worth 0, why aren't you harvesting the other moon material that the moon offers instead?

Perhaps your POS monkeys have nothing better to do with their time than earn a few thousand ISK/hr?

as for Promiscuous Female's earlier numbers:


you realize this is based on someone who is running a tower at cost? why would ANYONE put this tower up and go through all the work of fueling it to make NOTHING?

You have to assume if im running a POS, especially out in 0.0 im going to want at least 200 million a month to cover the cost of jumping fuel out, product back and putting up with all the hassle

200,000,000 / 30 days / 24 hours / 20 units per hour = 13,888.88 isk per unit of PT

Youre also not counting the increase in demand for T2 once the prices stop being so ridiculous. Math only works when you account for all the factors.

also in case it wasn't clear enough you were bad at math

400 tech moons is a high estimate
let us assume tech is 200k

that's 5.7 trillion from tech moons per month: all tech moons, everywhere (you're asserting a income of ~36t isk per month)
so you were only off by a factor of 6 or so if our "bloc" owned every tech moon in the game

No, actually they wont die, their scout 2 jumps over will have reported incoming hostiles long before the miners themselves are ever in danger and they'll then POS up or dock up thanks to the 20 large bubbles they'll anchor on their ingates.

Glad to see you play EVE in 0.0.

haha not like you could speak out of personnal experience, can you? GBC and NC were basicly nothing different to the current CFC...Goons didnt invent the Coalition either.

Now excuse us while we tighten our stranglehold around the next outrageous moneymaking gimmick.

both are well short of the 80k Fozzie was apparently aiming for.

I'm not aiming for 80k. I've told the CSM the range I'm aiming for but I won't be sharing it with the general public.

I completely agree that some space being better than other space is good game design.
But the game doesn't need 180k tech to have conflict. Tech is now only 5x the value of the second best moon instead of 11x. The profit there isn't disappearing, it's moving to other activities that people can get involved in.
Arguing that we need 100k+ tech so the moons will drive conflict is like saying we need remote AOE doomsdays so that CSAAs will drive conflict. Sometimes game balance is just game balance.

One of the goals up until the beginning of phase two is for Tech to continue being the best moon in the game by a large margin.

The true revelations of the Delve war were that OTEC are so overwhelming that one of the most "anticipated wars in EVE" ended in less than a week because the other 0.0 alliances realized it would be financial ruin to face up against OTEC in an extended war scenario because of the sheer volume of income available.

The true revelations of the Delve war were that OTEC are so overwhelming that one of the most "anticipated wars in EVE" ended in less than a week because the other 0.0 alliances realized it would be financial ruin to face up against OTEC in an extended war scenario because of the sheer volume of income available.

yea please make a mystery out of the easiest to get into coalition out there...lol.

[quote=CCP Fozzie]
I'm not aiming for 80k. I've told the CSM the range I'm aiming for but I won't be sharing it with the general public.