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Soldarius TreadStone Standard Tribal Band 267	Posted - 2012.07.30 04:10:00 - [931] - Quote I was all like :sadpanda: when we were told to move to Period Basis. Then I looked at dotlan. Known Period Basis Moons. Sov Holders vOv "How do you kill that which has no life?"
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 584	Posted - 2012.07.30 04:45:00 - [932] - Quote GRIEV3R wrote: Oh man, OTEC is probably going to QQ pretty hard at this. But I'm pretty sure they've already extracted their trillions out of it already. on a semi-related note, wouldn't it be spiffy if, in the real world, if we don't like OPEC having a monopoly on virtually all the oil on Earth, we could just "tweak" the laws of chemistry and physics so anyone can make a replacement for oil in their basement? ah, if only reality had benevolent Devs. The most famous person to try alchemy or invent alchemy was newton. Though the working theory in EVE is that the resource has to naturally dry up around you, for alchemy to work. Newton went insane trying to develop alchemy (or maybe just ludicrious) Using EVE's working theory of alchemy, we can discover why he did. He died a virgin of his own choice. So Newton (the genius) of his own volition, didn't use the resource of *** or wait for * to dry up. He left it, (while there was plenty) and tried to develop alchemy. So he went insane. Eve's theory would state, that newton would have to hit that ***, till it was gone and he had none left. Then he would really discover alchemy, and avoid going insane. Sometimes you try too hard to win in life. Newton's lesson he gives to us. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me.
Sigras Conglomo IMPERIAL LEGI0N 135	Posted - 2012.07.30 06:12:00 - [933] - Quote GRIEV3R wrote: Oh man, OTEC is probably going to QQ pretty hard at this. But I'm pretty sure they've already extracted their trillions out of it already. on a semi-related note, wouldn't it be spiffy if, in the real world, if we don't like OPEC having a monopoly on virtually all the oil on Earth, we could just "tweak" the laws of chemistry and physics so anyone can make a replacement for oil in their basement? ah, if only reality had benevolent Devs. They explained this in the first dev blog about alchemy, but in real life, if we dont like OPEC having a monopoly on all our oil, we develop hydrogen fuel cells, or electric cars that dont use oil. In eve, I would love to invent a different type of T2 ship that doesnt use Tech, but I cant. Until I can, CCP does need to put in something to allow people to break monopolies.
StuRyan Assisted Homicide 45	Posted - 2012.07.30 10:56:00 - [934] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Louis deGuerre wrote: If this ensure that prices drop so I can afford to PVP again in something other than T1 frigs I love it. But I just don't get it. It is such a strange solution. Why not use your PI system (flaws and all) to produce vital moon minerals instead ? That would ensure that minerals are distributed more evenly over the galaxy, are dynamic resources, and give DUST bunnies something meaningful to fight over. This is the first step in our plan to revamp tech 2 production. Changes to how the minerals are obtained will be coming before we're done (although probably not from PI). Does this mean moon mining is dead in the water? We kill well or die laughing * UK PVP CORP RECRUITING * Please join AHREC
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking 603	Posted - 2012.07.30 16:37:00 - [935] - Quote StuRyan wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: [quote=Louis deGuerre]If this ensure that prices drop so I can afford to PVP again in something other than T1 frigs I love it. But I just don't get it. It is such a strange solution. Why not use your PI system (flaws and all) to produce vital moon minerals instead ? That would ensure that minerals are distributed more evenly over the galaxy, are dynamic resources, and give DUST bunnies something meaningful to fight over. This is the first step in our plan to revamp tech 2 production. Changes to how the minerals are obtained will be coming before we're done (although probably not from PI). Hey I wanted to comment on this, I didn't see it when you first posted it. Whatever you do, please make sure that it's something that an alliance can feasibly tax as an income source. Nerfing moons as income is fine but if you replace it with something that the alliance cannot derive income from at all, that's a bad thing. Two quick examples of what is and is not something that can be feasibly taxed by an alliance. Planetary Interaction - because the taxation happens through the POCOs which players must use to run their planets, the tax is collected automatically and it cannot be avoided. From the perspective of alliance income, this is a good system. Mining - Taxation happens through the refinery taxes on the station. Setting a refinery tax impinges on 0.0 industry, be it capital or supercapital construction or normal fleet construction, as it means that builders are losing some of their compressed minerals. In addition, any miner with suitable infrastructure (translation: a Rorqual) can simply avoid the tax by compressing the ore and moving it to lowsec or highsec where they can refine for free. From the perspective of alliance income, this is thus a bad system. An example of a way to turn mining from a bad system to a good system would be something that we'll call a "Sovereign Mining Ship Base" or some such. Warp-capable mining drones stage within a constellation from this base to "hitch a ride" off of any ships mining in the constellation and automatically ferry away a portion of the ore mined, at a rate set by the sovereignty holder. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. fofofo
Werst Dendenahzees GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 105	Posted - 2012.07.30 17:04:00 - [936] - Quote In summary: a) Add more/better ways for nullsec players to make bank without requiring renters, because renters are a dumb concept. b) Make that personal income taxable at the source through automated mechanics. c) This links nullsec income to personal income, thus requiring that an alliances lives in its own space to make money.
Werst Dendenahzees GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 105	Posted - 2012.07.30 17:10:00 - [937] - Quote Allowing us to collect a portion of the station trading taxes and broker fees would be a nice start. It would encourage alliances to produce and trade in their sov rather than just buy everything in Jita and JF it over.
Sigras Conglomo IMPERIAL LEGI0N 135	Posted - 2012.07.30 17:37:00 - [938] - Quote ummmm . . . alliance owned stations/outposts already give the brokers fees to the owning corp.
EvilweaselSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 288	Posted - 2012.07.30 18:51:00 - [939] - Quote Sigras wrote: ummmm . . . alliance owned stations/outposts already give the brokers fees to the owning corp. We want the taxes, which are much larger.
Charlemeign GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2012.07.30 21:44:00 - [940] - Quote Sigras wrote: In eve, I would love to invent a different type of T2 ship that doesnt use Tech, but I cant. Until I can, CCP does need to put in something to allow people to break monopolies. Yeah, I fully understand that there is absolutely no other way you can break monopolies in Eve.

Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 635	Posted - 2012.07.30 22:24:00 - [941] - Quote Charlemeign wrote: Sigras wrote: In eve, I would love to invent a different type of T2 ship that doesnt use Tech, but I cant. Until I can, CCP does need to put in something to allow people to break monopolies. Yeah, I fully understand that there is absolutely no other way you can break monopolies in Eve. Yes but those other ways are hard :( Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Janeos GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 28	Posted - 2012.07.30 22:59:00 - [942] - Quote Scatim Helicon wrote: Charlemeign wrote: Sigras wrote: In eve, I would love to invent a different type of T2 ship that doesnt use Tech, but I cant. Until I can, CCP does need to put in something to allow people to break monopolies. Yeah, I fully understand that there is absolutely no other way you can break monopolies in Eve. Yes but those other ways are hard :( And require gunz and stuff. Guns are scary.
Kyle Myr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 306	Posted - 2012.07.31 00:42:00 - [943] - Quote Soldarius wrote: I was all like :sadpanda: when we were told to move to Period Basis. Then I looked at dotlan. Known Period Basis Moons. Sov Holders vOv Don't trust Dotlan's moon scan data. At best, it's incomplete. At worst, it's a fabrication.
EvilweaselSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 301	Posted - 2012.07.31 01:03:00 - [944] - Quote Kyle Myr wrote: Soldarius wrote: I was all like :sadpanda: when we were told to move to Period Basis. Then I looked at dotlan. Known Period Basis Moons. Sov Holders vOv Don't trust Dotlan's moon scan data. At best, it's incomplete. At worst, it's a fabrication. Those scans are likely accurate because when they were uploaded there'd have been no reason to lie.
Kyle Myr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 306	Posted - 2012.07.31 02:35:00 - [945] - Quote EvilweaselSA wrote: Kyle Myr wrote: Soldarius wrote: I was all like :sadpanda: when we were told to move to Period Basis. Then I looked at dotlan. Known Period Basis Moons. Sov Holders vOv Don't trust Dotlan's moon scan data. At best, it's incomplete. At worst, it's a fabrication. Those scans are likely accurate because when they were uploaded there'd have been no reason to lie. Fair enough. I'd certainly believe Cobalt, but I just remember the odd bit of 'found' Tech that some director other squirreled away that we happened across in the north in Branch, Tenal, and Venal. No one had reasons to lie about Cobalt, though, as it wasn't profitable (then, or likely now), then, so I see why you say that.
Soldarius TreadStone Standard Tribal Band 267	Posted - 2012.07.31 03:33:00 - [946] - Quote Indeed. I always put the probes to a moon before dropping a moon harvesting array. I was more or less pointing out the prevalence of cobalt in Period Basis, rather than the exact locations. "How do you kill that which has no life?"
Misaka Todako Close Proximity 3	Posted - 2012.07.31 06:37:00 - [947] - Quote Sigras wrote: In eve, I would love to invent a different type of T2 ship that doesnt use Tech, but I cant. Until I can, CCP does need to put in something to allow people to break monopolies. I think that feature you're looking for is called "Guns". You should give them a try!
Sigras Conglomo IMPERIAL LEGI0N 135	Posted - 2012.07.31 08:00:00 - [948] - Quote EvilweaselSA wrote: Sigras wrote: ummmm . . . alliance owned stations/outposts already give the brokers fees to the owning corp. We want the taxes, which are much larger. im sorry but the game needs all the isk sinks it can get . . .
Sigras Conglomo IMPERIAL LEGI0N 135	Posted - 2012.07.31 08:04:00 - [949] - Quote Misaka Todako wrote: Sigras wrote: In eve, I would love to invent a different type of T2 ship that doesnt use Tech, but I cant. Until I can, CCP does need to put in something to allow people to break monopolies. I think that feature you're looking for is called "Guns". You should give them a try! No, the closest thing to the feature Im looking for is called "spies" Its the only way that BoB was defeated, and it would be the only way to break the goons. These large empires have too much isk and manpower, they cannot be fought, BoB proved that. Also, apparently CCP sides with me; read the first two paragraphs. :D
UtamaDoc State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.07.31 11:02:00 - [950] - Quote Goon Tears are best Tears. I don't think it's rocket science, there are a number of arguements to come up with here. CCP stepping in is not a player driven game... point taken, but when said players spew countless, POS farms across their space and into space not owned by them including low sec that to me is wrong. it does nothing but promote blob warfare and although yes this game is incredibly social not everyone can spend 23/7 playing the game. Back in 2006 the game was exciting, there were things that small hit and run groups could do. Take a look now and everything points towards blob and alliance whoring memberships. Ring mining moon goo does not appeal to me in the slightest, just like having industry level 5 and not being able to capture hulks and orca's mining anoms.... Again another mechanic designed to make - creating ISK safe. Technetium and all moon goo should be seen as oil, eventually it runs out and a new source is found, it really depends on how CCP view null sec.... Do they want eco systems? where people in null sec GTFO out of Jita and live in THEIR space or do they want regions to import and export between each other - in that case the regions need more Differientiation. What will drive conflict is the ability to distrupt each regions activities, I have tried to phrase this next sentence in a way that points to in game mechanics being responsible for the seeminlgy stagnation. this does not include goons going to delve becuase "Weeze can" becuase lets face it they have by far, too much influence in the game becuase "they can". Everything about null sec requires massive fleets. to me the Fun scale starts at: 1 - 20 man Fleets = Hell fun 21 - 50 man Fleet = fun but the screw is turning 51+ = Eye candy for a bigger blob With most alliances and corps being several hundred not Thousands then creating activities that "can disrupt SOV holding alliance" would be what causes conflict. Eve news 24 writes a very good post on how everything in game is adding to the stagnation. I remember the days of 10 man fleets being able to disturpt isk making fairly effectively when ISK making in null sec was just anoms and belt ratting. The point here is that moon goo is a fairly safe ISK activity unless you have a whole lot of people and resource yourself. What I would like to see is CCP return to the days of giving players the ability to easily disrupt ISK making in null sec. I would have a fair bet that the majority of people who play eve want more choice in PVP, including ways for small gangs to really do some damage. Dominion promised it but the incredibly boring game mechanic of TCU shooting and 3 timers meant for me i'd rather sit in a AFK cloaky. Having a fairly low HP complex that if destroyed effected the bounty on rats or value of ore or caused pos's to go temporily offline (5 minutes tops lets be honest an hour is a lot of time )...that for me would bring back the 10 man hit and run squads and give them a reason to pvp or not just to get a fleet up to " gate camp" or to be caught by a hot drop of 10 man carriers and what other I-win buttons there are.

shar'ra matcevsovski Hedion University Amarr Empire 113	Posted - 2012.07.31 12:30:00 - [951] - Quote UtamaDoc wrote: CCP stepping in is not a player driven game... point taken, infact in Phase I they are not even touching the current tech mining system at all. They just add a more or less crappy option for other players to get some tech aswell. That option to react tech via Alchemy is open to everyone (including Goons), wich apparently makes it unfair >< Phase II however will prolly hit Technetium directly (wouldnt make sense to point that out for Phase I, if it wouldnt be a different case in Phase II), there for i suggest to save some tears for later, when you really need them
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking 606	Posted - 2012.07.31 15:04:00 - [952] - Quote Sigras wrote: EvilweaselSA wrote: Sigras wrote: ummmm . . . alliance owned stations/outposts already give the brokers fees to the owning corp. We want the taxes, which are much larger. im sorry but the game needs all the isk sinks it can get . . . The overwhelming majority of market tax in this game is paid right down in Jita 4-4 (8.1T worth of market transactions in a day, 4.8T of which were in Jita), whereas VFK is absolutely miniscule (0.72% of Jita). If I work backwards through some of Diagoras' stats, us getting market taxes in VFK would be an additional 12B/mo of income - for comparison, a total of 1.75T is removed per month. That 12B doesn't sound like much, but with CCP nerfing moons now and talking about removing moons as the source of moongoo in the future with no promises on replacing even a fraction of the income we get from them, every little bit helps. Meanwhile, on the isk sink front, it's a rounding error. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. fofofo
Garviel Tarrant Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 23	Posted - 2012.07.31 15:46:00 - [953] - Quote Haw, goons are sad. I like the goons, but sadness is amusing.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 637	Posted - 2012.07.31 16:41:00 - [954] - Quote EvilweaselSA wrote: Kyle Myr wrote: Don't trust Dotlan's moon scan data. At best, it's incomplete. At worst, it's a fabrication. Those scans are likely accurate because when they were uploaded there'd have been no reason to lie. What you might find is the occasional moon that was labelled as a 'worthless' cobalt to disguise a 'valuable' dyspro/prom moon, as they would have been at the time of the data being submitted. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
UtamaDoc State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.07.31 17:53:00 - [955] - Quote corestwo wrote: Sigras wrote: EvilweaselSA wrote: Sigras wrote: ummmm . . . alliance owned stations/outposts already give the brokers fees to the owning corp. We want the taxes, which are much larger. im sorry but the game needs all the isk sinks it can get . . . The overwhelming majority of market tax in this game is paid right down in Jita 4-4 (8.1T worth of market transactions in a day, 4.8T of which were in Jita), whereas VFK is absolutely miniscule (0.72% of Jita). If I work backwards through some of Diagoras' stats, us getting market taxes in VFK would be an additional 12B/mo of income - for comparison, a total of 1.75T is removed per month. That 12B doesn't sound like much, but with CCP nerfing moons now and talking about removing moons as the source of moongoo in the future with no promises on replacing even a fraction of the income we get from them, every little bit helps. Meanwhile, on the isk sink front, it's a rounding error. Show me where it says removal of moon mining
Zhade Lezte Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 45	Posted - 2012.07.31 19:07:00 - [956] - Quote corestwo wrote: Sigras wrote: EvilweaselSA wrote: Sigras wrote: ummmm . . . alliance owned stations/outposts already give the brokers fees to the owning corp. We want the taxes, which are much larger. im sorry but the game needs all the isk sinks it can get . . . The overwhelming majority of market tax in this game is paid right down in Jita 4-4 (8.1T worth of market transactions in a day, 4.8T of which were in Jita), whereas VFK is absolutely miniscule (0.72% of Jita). If I work backwards through some of Diagoras' stats, us getting market taxes in VFK would be an additional 12B/mo of income - for comparison, a total of 1.75T is removed per month. That 12B doesn't sound like much, but with CCP nerfing moons now and talking about removing moons as the source of moongoo in the future with no promises on replacing even a fraction of the income we get from them, every little bit helps. Meanwhile, on the isk sink front, it's a rounding error. Not to mention that every sovholding alliance already has to deal with an additional isk sink that no highsec or sov-free nullsec entity has to.
Werst Dendenahzees GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 113	Posted - 2012.07.31 19:12:00 - [957] - Quote Sigras wrote: EvilweaselSA wrote: Sigras wrote: ummmm . . . alliance owned stations/outposts already give the brokers fees to the owning corp. We want the taxes, which are much larger. im sorry but the game needs all the isk sinks it can get . . . (hahaha he thinks the transaction tax in VFK isn't negligible as an ISK sink)
Werst Dendenahzees GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 113	Posted - 2012.07.31 19:14:00 - [958] - Quote UtamaDoc wrote: it does nothing but promote blob warfare and although yes this game is incredibly social not everyone can spend 23/7 playing the game. Back in 2006 the game was exciting, there were things that small hit and run groups could do. Take a look now and everything points towards blob and alliance whoring memberships. Blob warfare, the metagame and space Game Of Thrones politics are literally the only reasons to play EVE. Small gang elite pvp (tildes, tildes) can be had in every other game in the world, including Call of Duty, Halo, World of Tanks, etc. There is no other game that offers 2000 vs 2000 space battles.
Werst Dendenahzees GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 113	Posted - 2012.07.31 19:17:00 - [959] - Quote Hell if you're into mining and industry and you hate blobs, you might as well try Minecraft or Dwarf Fortress.
Zhade Lezte Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 45	Posted - 2012.07.31 19:21:00 - [960] - Quote Actually couldn't CCP just allow outpost owners to change the broker fee tax percentage for a station, whether they want to do that as free or some absurd percentage, since those already go to the station owner? This kind of freedom is already allowed for POCOs, station repair bills, science & industry slots, refining tax, etc. People pay a premium already on the nullsec market & public contracts already for not having to deal with nullsec logistics, it could actually be feasibly taxable without completely eliminating any interest in using the market. Unless you **** yourself up by charging absurd taxes, but hey sandbox tools, sandbox consequences. With the way taxes work some of the burden will ultimately be placed onto the buyer as well as the seller who is actually making money, and it does sort of suck to indirectly tax spending, but vOv. Still seems like a good idea.



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