balancing the game around the fact that hiseccers refuse to work together and refuse to fit their ships properly is dumb

I'm sick and tired of this bulshit, i hate mining and miners with all my heart, but the truth must be told....
"Fit a tank" ? what kind of bullshit is this? are you delusional? want me to point you out to the hulk killmails with huge tanks? yes that's right! 2-3 cats with t1 **** can still gank it. is that normal? you don't see anything wrong with this? and the comments on those mails were almos all alike "good tank but not enough"

and my point of view on this suicide gank idiocy, why should it be profitable in the first place? I gank a guy that i hate, for the pleasure of killing him only, this can still be achieved easily.
tell me again, why are you ganking random people with no skill alts with almost no cost and no risk? you would say "because it is fun hahaha", i will say exactly!! it is fun, so do it to have fun only.. but expect to lose some isk doing so like any other normal PvPer out there, am i right?

about your nonsense that goons made high sec mining even more profitable than the null sec .. are you listening to yourself? no thanks, i would rather the high sec minerals be less profitable Mr goony.

no tl;dr version for you lazy ones out there, read my wall of text

Might as well hand them golden tickets because the new barges are exactly the kind of ships miners will appreciate. My question is...

Why are you promoting harder ganks???

I'm sick and tired of this bulshit, i hate mining and miners with all my heart, but the truth must be told....
"Fit a tank" ? what kind of bullshit is this? are you delusional? want me to point you out to the hulk killmails with huge tanks? yes that's right! 2-3 cats with t1 **** can still gank it. is that normal? you don't see anything wrong with this? and the comments on those mails were almos all alike "good tank but not enough"

I run a mining corp on another account. Don't think I don't know about mining and what it takes to run a corp, or about mining in this game in general. I, as a player, am competing against players that do use bots and mine 23/7. I want to know what CCP is going to do to counter that problem now that they are just making easier for botters and AFK miners. This "oh we just banned a few miners for *two weeks* is not solving the problem.

People that cheat and use outside means(not built into the game) to play EVE hurts my game. I want to know what CCP is going to do about it sense they have now made it easier for people to do it.

Stop lying. A Hulk can easily be tanked to make it unprofitable to gank in any Sec band. Put it in a highish sec band and it becomes prohibitively expensive to gank it.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13920646

one that i stumbled upon recently in the crime and punishment section, an original fit no doubt. but you cant deny that this guy sacrificed all the yield for the tank within the cpu and power capabilities of the hulk, and still got popped by 3xt1 **** fit cats.

So this is normal right?
you said "A Hulk can easily be tanked to make it unprofitable to gank in any Sec band" .. so i went out of my way and tried to fit for the max absolutely crazy tank on eft, and all i could muster was 5k more effective HP than this guy in the link... add one more **** fit cat, and yo yo job is done, still profitable no matter what, so a couple more cats in the higher sec? big deal. it is a **** fit cat with no skill alts after all.

if you want to gank in high sec cool, but you should lose isk in the process, thats how it should be..
cant wait to try and gank one of those crazy new skiff barges :)

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13920646

one that i stumbled upon recently in the crime and punishment section, an original fit no doubt. but you cant deny that this guy sacrificed all the yield for the tank within the cpu and power capabilities of the hulk, and still got popped by 3xt1 **** fit cats.

So this is normal right?
you said "A Hulk can easily be tanked to make it unprofitable to gank in any Sec band" .. so i went out of my way and tried to fit for the max absolutely crazy tank on eft, and all i could muster was 5k more effective HP than this guy in the link... add one more **** fit cat, and yo yo job is done, still profitable no matter what, so a couple more cats in the higher sec? big deal. it is a **** fit cat with no skill alts after all.

if you want to gank in high sec cool, but you should lose isk in the process, thats how it should be..
cant wait to try and gank one of those crazy new skiff barges :)

That's a terrible fit. Also, he did not sacrifice all the yield for tank. See that Survey scanner? That's a yield mod, not a tank mod.

A Hulk can fit some 34k EHP vs Blasters while still having enough EM/EXP EHP to prevent Nados from taking over.

You cannot profitably kill a 34k EHP Hulk with Catalysts in .5 space.

Go to .8 space or higher and the loss to gank you becomes fairly significant.

Every fit that comes near that has no task dedicated mods. Most combat ships that don't fit some sort of utility or damage mod are considered fail fit. Apparently exhumers and barges are the exception?

That's a terrible fit. Also, he did not sacrifice all the yield for tank. See that Survey scanner? That's a yield mod, not a tank mod.

A Hulk can fit some 34k EHP vs Blasters while still having enough EM/EXP EHP to prevent Nados from taking over.

You cannot profitably kill a 34k EHP Hulk with Catalysts in .5 space.

Go to .8 space or higher and the loss to gank you becomes fairly significant.

Most combat ships are also flown actively.

If you want, you can be immune to ganks with a little bit of active flying instead of just tanking it.

Or you can fit a moderate tank and move to a higher sec band.

Most combat ships are also flown actively.

If you want, you can be immune to ganks with a little bit of active flying instead of just tanking it.

Or you can fit a moderate tank and move to a higher sec band.

You will need like three T2 talos to kill one of the new hulks in a 0.7 system. Skiffs mining ice in a 0.9 system are basically free money forever, unless someone assembles a 20 tornado team to kill them, which is hilarious unprofitable.

the biggest question here is: why ganking should be profitable?
After all ganking is "somehow againts the law" because ganker gets killed by Concord.

It will definitely effect alot of areas of game play, like suicide ganking and ore theft.

They are ripping the game apart , very sad times indeed. It's just like seeing a friend with alzheimer fading away.

i've seen 1 ganker since hulkageddon started, and i haven't seen a can flipper in like half a year. nobody bothers with those activities to begin with.

And I am really not being sarcastic. It's almost impossible to gank with these changes, several players have said so and it sounds like they really know what they are talking about. I think it will be good if you can rub it in their face how wrong they are. I just hope they don't get discouraged for not being such good players.

why would you subscribe to a game just to mine imaginary minerals

Every fit that comes near that has no task dedicated mods. Most combat ships that don't fit some sort of utility or damage mod are considered fail fit. Apparently exhumers and barges are the exception?

Somebody give this guy the nobel prize.

Sure. But that's what you need to be safe while totally AFK. If you're paying attention at all, you can just warp off if a gank is incoming.

Unless the target in question is near 3/4 max speed (required to warp), they may not have the quick reaction time to warp out before gankers open fire. Just being aligned to a target but not moving does not reduce the time to enter warp.

If Hulks and other mining ships are no longer profitable to gank, go after Noctis. Chances are those have way better profits and those are easy kills. I got one no problem(with one of my other characters), without even a point on it, using long range missles. And this was in WH space where the pilots that are running ninja anomalies are paying attention.

Because we can. U mad bro?

finding them in local if the numbers are high isn't always easy

By the way, Passive align is a myth. If you are at 0m/s, you are not aligned anywhere.

Hey, yes, you can do that. That is one of the things you can do to stay 100% safe from gankers if you are ATK. There are even methods to reduce the absolute speed that 75% of your max speed represents.