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Werst Dendenahzees
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:37:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Werst Dendenahzees wrote:It always required efforts, now it's going to cost two billion isk in t3 battlecruisers to gank a tanked mining ship in a 0.9 system. Low ends are going to plummet and you'll be back to mining for 10 million ISK an hour. I'd rather have 30m/h veldspar and risk being ganked than 10m/h while safe forever. Please provide numbers for your claims, or you are a liar like the rest of the propaganda team.
Would you just look at the current price of tritanium, veldspar and scordite? It's 2x what it was before the drone mineral nerf and hulkageddon. HAG dropped the volume of highsec mining by over 50% according to Diagoras. You're welcome. |

Werst Dendenahzees
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:39:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:i mean this change literally benefits me because i have isk invested in high-ends which will actually be used in manufacturing when lowends drop back down, but i dislike the idea of risk-free hisec mining If this change really benefited you as much as you claim, you wouldn't be depositing vast quantities of your tears all over every thread involving Barge and Exhumer buffs. And nobody actually believes mining is risk-free. Every ship in the game is gankable if you use the right tools and have enough friends to pull it off. The upcoming changes do nothing to alter that, except maybe forcing people to make more friends. Which is just madness in an MMO. 
I am laughing and posting because carebears don't seem to realize how their wishes for safer mining and larger ore holds can backfire hilariously, as if enacted by a genie with a twisted sense of humor.
Sure, you can mine safely and AFK... for 5 mil isk/h. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1421
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:41:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:i mean this change literally benefits me because i have isk invested in high-ends which will actually be used in manufacturing when lowends drop back down, but i dislike the idea of risk-free hisec mining If this change really benefited you as much as you claim, you wouldn't be depositing vast quantities of your tears all over every thread involving Barge and Exhumer buffs. And nobody actually believes mining is risk-free. Every ship in the game is gankable if you use the right tools and have enough friends to pull it off. The upcoming changes do nothing to alter that, except maybe forcing people to make more friends. Which is just madness in an MMO. 
i understand that you only look at spreadsheets but i personally haven't ganked a single miner in hisec since the ice interdiction, almost a year ago
it's ironic, however, that you speak of "making friends" when you solo afk mine in hisec in a hulk and demand that CCP makes you 100% safe a rogue goon |

Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
156
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:43:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:HAG dropped the volume of highsec mining by over 50% according to Diagoras. You're welcome.
This is false. Diagoras' Tweets didn't attribute the reduction in highsec mining volume to any one specific event. I'm not surprised that you would make that reach and do it for him, but doing so is disingenuous at best and a blatant lie at worst. You're welcome. |

Betrinna Cantis
22
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:44:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Suqq Madiq wrote:Fuujin wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:CCP fix ice mining... make it less mind numbing.  And this is why I pity human hisec miners. Their entire existence is grinding paltry sums and begging CCP for constant nerfs and buffs, which are never enough. And this is why I pity human nullsec whiners. Their entire existence is doing what they're told, when they're told to do it. Rolling their face on their F1 key whenever they are told to in massive TiDi lagfests. as opposed to being a peasant chiseling away at rocks Ah yes, But we are FREE to do so. Not commanded. Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares..... |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1421
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:44:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:Werst Dendenahzees wrote:HAG dropped the volume of highsec mining by over 50% according to Diagoras. You're welcome. This is false. Diagoras' Tweets didn't attribute the reduction in highsec mining volume to any one specific event. I'm not surprised that you would make that reach and do it for him, but doing so is disingenuous at best and a blatant lie at worst. You're welcome.
yeah the reduction in hisec mining had nothing to do with hulkageddon, an irrelevant event, which certainly had nothing to do with the increase in exhumer/barge HP a rogue goon |

Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
156
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:44:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:it's ironic, however, that you speak of "making friends" when you solo afk mine in hisec in a hulk and demand that CCP makes you 100% safe
I do? Please, link me a post I've made about a) my highsec mining adventures, or b) any posts I've made asking CCP to make my highsec mining adventures risk-free. Oh, what's that? You can't? Well then, it appears you may be just talking out of your ass. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1421
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:45:00 -
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Betrinna Cantis wrote:Ah yes, But we are FREE to do so. Not commanded. 
nobody commands me to do anything unless I voluntarily put myself in a situation where I am at somebody's command, i.e. joining a fleet to play eve online with other goons a rogue goon |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1421
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:45:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:it's ironic, however, that you speak of "making friends" when you solo afk mine in hisec in a hulk and demand that CCP makes you 100% safe I do? Please, link me a post I've made about a) my highsec mining adventures, or b) any posts I've made asking CCP to make my highsec mining adventures risk-free. Oh, what's that? You can't? Well then, it appears you may be just talking out of your ass.
considering that you're probably just some guy who recycles forum alts i'm not going to bother hth a rogue goon |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
539
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:47:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote: I am laughing and posting because carebears don't seem to realize how their wishes for safer mining and larger ore holds can backfire hilariously, as if enacted by a genie with a twisted sense of humor.
Sure, you can mine safely and AFK... for 5 mil isk/h.
Low risk = low reward -this is exactly the pre buff argument about high sec yadayada "ho might too much income", those crap ships get some ehp and bigger cargo bay but bad yeld witch leads to low income, seems you got what you asked for.
Where's the problem?
brb |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1699
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:47:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Sentamon wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:why would you subscribe to a game just to mine imaginary minerals Probably for the same reason people join a 50k man blob to fight imaginary enemies ... and to suicide on people mining imaginary minerals. while I'm sure you've never shot anything but an NPC, those "50k man blobs" don't fight "imaginary" enemies because there are actually other people behind them
Yes and you kill them so real that RL police and coroners go to their houses and find out they got killed by a 10 kilotons missile in the face. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
157
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:48:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Suqq Madiq wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:it's ironic, however, that you speak of "making friends" when you solo afk mine in hisec in a hulk and demand that CCP makes you 100% safe I do? Please, link me a post I've made about a) my highsec mining adventures, or b) any posts I've made asking CCP to make my highsec mining adventures risk-free. Oh, what's that? You can't? Well then, it appears you may be just talking out of your ass. considering that you're probably just some guy who recycles forum alts i'm not going to bother hth
Of course not. Too much :effort: right? Good call. Independent thought and action is well beyond your means, Goon. But keep hurfblurfing your tears and recycling your Goon propaganda all over this topic. |

Fuujin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
175
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:48:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:i mean this change literally benefits me because i have isk invested in high-ends which will actually be used in manufacturing when lowends drop back down, but i dislike the idea of risk-free hisec mining If this change really benefited you as much as you claim, you wouldn't be depositing vast quantities of your tears all over every thread involving Barge and Exhumer buffs. And nobody actually believes mining is risk-free. Every ship in the game is gankable if you use the right tools and have enough friends to pull it off. The upcoming changes do nothing to alter that, except maybe forcing people to make more friends. Which is just madness in an MMO. 
The difference being that freighters and orcas haul billions, and the only other hisec ships to warrant the effort are blinged out incursion/mission runners, also worth billions.
As for the proof of the bot population: That's easily answered. Ice Interdiction: in the beginning, there were 30+ macks in an ice belt, mindlessly working away. After a few days of concentrated ganks, the bot population went away--they migrated to other regions where their ISK generation wouldn't be encumbered. The remaining population was the humans too dumb to realize this basic economic reality. It went from exhumers so thick you couldn't swing a cat around without hitting one, to ghost belts.
Our opposition to this is twofold: One, ganking is fun. Won't deny it. This nerf all but removes it. Sad, but oh well. Two, and more importantly: this creates a virtual risk-free activity in eve. Low/Nul barges can still be killed, but hisec gets concord, so EHP past a certain level means guaranteed surivival. Low risk/reward? Try no risk for reward.
And yes, our efforts DID result in hisec mining being worthwhile for the first time in...a looong time. Smart miners who fit something called "tanks" to their exhumers and were semi-active at the game could easily shrug off attacks and avoid them. And make isk hand over fist. Good luck with that once this nerf hits; trit's gonna fall like a rock within a few weeks. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1421
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:50:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Suqq Madiq wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:it's ironic, however, that you speak of "making friends" when you solo afk mine in hisec in a hulk and demand that CCP makes you 100% safe I do? Please, link me a post I've made about a) my highsec mining adventures, or b) any posts I've made asking CCP to make my highsec mining adventures risk-free. Oh, what's that? You can't? Well then, it appears you may be just talking out of your ass. considering that you're probably just some guy who recycles forum alts i'm not going to bother hth Of course not. Too much :effort: right? Good call. Independent thought and action is well beyond your means, Goon. But keep hurfblurfing your tears and recycling your Goon propaganda all over this topic.
okay are you going to actually counter my points or just smear nonsense all over this thread :shobon: a rogue goon |

Werst Dendenahzees
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:50:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:Werst Dendenahzees wrote:HAG dropped the volume of highsec mining by over 50% according to Diagoras. You're welcome. This is false. Diagoras' Tweets didn't attribute the reduction in highsec mining volume to any one specific event. I'm not surprised that you would make that reach and do it for him, but doing so is disingenuous at best and a blatant lie at worst. You're welcome.
Well I guess people just stopped mining for no reason at all despite it being 2x as profitable, then...
http://hulkageddon.goonswarm.com/ We're up to almost 9000 exhumer kills for god's sake. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1699
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:53:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:Are you claiming that somehow barges did not need the attention?.. or are you just whining as always? generally ships need attention when they are underused hulks, mackinaws, covetors and retrievers are anything but underused
Because there were SO MANY functional alternatives. Almost as many as we have in frigates. Oh wait... Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1421
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:54:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:Are you claiming that somehow barges did not need the attention?.. or are you just whining as always? generally ships need attention when they are underused hulks, mackinaws, covetors and retrievers are anything but underused Because there were SO MANY functional alternatives. Almost as many as we have in frigates. Oh wait...
Did You Know that people mined in battleships before the introduction of barges and exhumers? a rogue goon |

Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
158
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:01:00 -
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Fuujin wrote:Our opposition to this is twofold: One, ganking is fun. Won't deny it. This nerf all but removes it. Sad, but oh well.
I actually agree with the first part. Ganking is fun. But these changes do not remove it altogether as you would suggest. Not by a long shot. Increasing Barge and Exhumer EHP means you won't be able to gank a 300mil ISK hull with a 10m ISK hull, but you'll still be able to pull it off with minimal effort and a few friends.
Fuujin wrote:Two, and more importantly: this creates a virtual risk-free activity in eve. Low/Nul barges can still be killed, but hisec gets concord, so EHP past a certain level means guaranteed surivival. Low risk/reward? Try no risk for reward.
Another myth. They're increasing EHP, not making the ships indestructible. You speak of "guaranteed surivival(sic)" as if there is some magical bubble of immunity surrounding ships in highsec resulting in no risk whatsoever. Undocking is always a risk, no matter what ship you're in. |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
539
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:01:00 -
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Fuujin wrote:Suqq Madiq wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:i mean this change literally benefits me because i have isk invested in high-ends which will actually be used in manufacturing when lowends drop back down, but i dislike the idea of risk-free hisec mining If this change really benefited you as much as you claim, you wouldn't be depositing vast quantities of your tears all over every thread involving Barge and Exhumer buffs. And nobody actually believes mining is risk-free. Every ship in the game is gankable if you use the right tools and have enough friends to pull it off. The upcoming changes do nothing to alter that, except maybe forcing people to make more friends. Which is just madness in an MMO.  The difference being that freighters and orcas haul billions, and the only other hisec ships to warrant the effort are blinged out incursion/mission runners, also worth billions. As for the proof of the bot population: That's easily answered. Ice Interdiction: in the beginning, there were 30+ macks in an ice belt, mindlessly working away. After a few days of concentrated ganks, the bot population went away--they migrated to other regions where their ISK generation wouldn't be encumbered. The remaining population was the humans too dumb to realize this basic economic reality. It went from exhumers so thick you couldn't swing a cat around without hitting one, to ghost belts. Our opposition to this is twofold: One, ganking is fun. Won't deny it. This nerf all but removes it. Sad, but oh well. Two, and more importantly: this creates a virtual risk-free activity in eve. Low/Nul barges can still be killed, but hisec gets concord, so EHP past a certain level means guaranteed surivival. Low risk/reward? Try no risk for reward. And yes, our efforts DID result in hisec mining being worthwhile for the first time in...a looong time. Smart miners who fit something called "tanks" to their exhumers and were semi-active at the game could easily shrug off attacks and avoid them. And make isk hand over fist. Good luck with that once this nerf hits; trit's gonna fall like a rock within a few weeks.
Actually it's CCP's effort to take away Drone alloys that made mining interesting again. You've just disrupted mining activity for a while, then add all the bots CCP actually banned (not your mindless ganking false argument).
So let's resume this to simple words: Drones alloys gone + bots ban (thx CCP and GJ Shreegs) leads to less minerals in the market, making mining actually worthy. Your contribution to this is undeniable, but absolutely not in those proportions "gankers" in general pretend just like if they weren't there "oul+ál+á" the game would die: flash news says it wouldn't.
Now how many players got tired and left the game because of this? -can you really answer this question without the "adapt or die" you seem no willing to accept yourself?
Anyway, there's no end ores in high sec therefore not that much profitable as it seems, just make them space love you and go mine uber end ores in null. Now that would be great for the game and the community.
brb |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1421
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:06:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Actually it's CCP's effort to take away Drone alloys that made mining interesting again. You've just disrupted mining activity for a while, then add all the bots CCP actually banned (not your mindless ganking false argument).
So let's resume this to simple words: Drones alloys gone + bots ban (thx CCP and GJ Shreegs) leads to less minerals in the market, making mining actually worthy. Your contribution to this is undeniable, but absolutely not in those proportions "gankers" in general pretend just like if they weren't there "oul+ál+á" the game would die: flash news says it wouldn't.
Now how many players got tired and left the game because of this? -can you really answer this question without the "adapt or die" you seem no willing to accept yourself?
Anyway, there's no end ores in high sec therefore not that much profitable as it seems, just make them space love you and go mine uber end ores in null. Now that would be great for the game and the community.
continue to believe that hulkageddon was totally irrelevant and had no effect on hisec mining despite the 15k kills, most of which were in may
continue to believe that hisec mining will remain as profitable as it is now even with substantially reduced ganking and lower-tier barges/exhumers having substantially higher yield and tank than they do now
drone alloys were a significant source of high-ends, not low-ends a rogue goon |
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dexington
72
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:16:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:drone alloys were a significant source of high-ends, not low-ends
did they have large amounts higher then nocxium? GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥-á |

Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
171
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:18:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:okay are you going to actually counter my points or just smear nonsense all over this thread :shobon:
You haven't made any points worth countering. Unless you're suggesting there is a great debate at hand about the fact that people once mined in Battleships? Or that EHP buffs mean that mining in highsec is now %100 risk free? Or that the way you chose to play the game is better than how somebody else chooses to play?
The truth is, these buffs WILL:
1) Reduce profitability across the board for Highsec mining. 2) Reduce profitability across the board for Highsec miner ganking. 3) Increase highsec mining. 4) Reduce highsec ganking. 5) Reduce Tech income as a result of fewer ganks. 6) Reduce Mineral income as a result of increased mining.
These buffs WILL NOT:
1) Destroy EVE. 2) Make miners indestructible. 3) Make highsec mining risk-free. 4) Cause gankers to unsubscribe. |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
544
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:19:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Actually it's CCP's effort to take away Drone alloys that made mining interesting again. You've just disrupted mining activity for a while, then add all the bots CCP actually banned (not your mindless ganking false argument).
So let's resume this to simple words: Drones alloys gone + bots ban (thx CCP and GJ Shreegs) leads to less minerals in the market, making mining actually worthy. Your contribution to this is undeniable, but absolutely not in those proportions "gankers" in general pretend just like if they weren't there "oul+ál+á" the game would die: flash news says it wouldn't.
Now how many players got tired and left the game because of this? -can you really answer this question without the "adapt or die" you seem no willing to accept yourself?
Anyway, there's no end ores in high sec therefore not that much profitable as it seems, just make them space love you and go mine uber end ores in null. Now that would be great for the game and the community.
continue to believe that hulkageddon was totally irrelevant and had no effect on hisec mining despite the 15k kills, most of which were in may continue to believe that hisec mining will remain as profitable as it is now even with substantially reduced ganking and lower-tier barges/exhumers having substantially higher yield and tank than they do now drone alloys were a significant source of high-ends, not low-ends
The only thing I believe is that you actually over estimate your contribution and just don't like to come with :numbers: to prove your point. The highest minerals provider was drone regions, then high sec botting/mining then reprocess. Drones are gone, thousands of bots are gone, loot and modules to reprocess dropped drastically and you still argue it's your holly contribution that made mining worthwhile? -no, your contribution is smaller than you will ever admit, but for sure your contribution for this mining barges changes is quite huge.
Those ships are not invincible, just require some effort so again, where's the problem? brb |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1699
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:21:00 -
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Fuujin wrote: Barges are getting over 5x their current level of EHP. To suicide one now would require an uninsurable tier3 BC (or multiples), which is vastly unprofitable economically. If you are in an NPC corp (or corp-hop after a wardec) you're utterly safe from being ganked unless you're fitting pricey modules.
So, yeah. Untouchable fleets of bots will blot out the belts. Guess I'll just have to take solace in the cheap ships I'll be able to buy once lowends crack the floor.
Why do you find popping an empty hauler vastly profitable instead? No, you only pop the minority with juicy stuff inside.
Why should it be profitable to pop an empty *any* ship? You pop them because you have a plan against their corp or because they have some deadspace mods (many Hulks used to have them, as they copy pasted Halada's guide fitting), not because it has to be your self entitled, granted super-profitable profession.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1699
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:22:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:Are you claiming that somehow barges did not need the attention?.. or are you just whining as always? generally ships need attention when they are underused hulks, mackinaws, covetors and retrievers are anything but underused Because there were SO MANY functional alternatives. Almost as many as we have in frigates. Oh wait... Did You Know that people mined in battleships before the introduction of barges and exhumers?
... and it was so stupid that CCP implemented mining ships? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1423
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:25:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:... and it was so stupid that CCP implemented mining ships?
and then decided that they should never be ganked ever because, as they have shown through their actions (repeated concord buffs, removal of insurance from concord kills, mining barge HP buff) hisec miners are a protected class a rogue goon |

Fuujin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
175
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:26:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote: Another myth. They're increasing EHP, not making the ships indestructible. You speak of "guaranteed surivival(sic)" as if there is some magical bubble of immunity surrounding ships in highsec resulting in no risk whatsoever. Undocking is always a risk, no matter what ship you're in.
A hulk, properly tanked NOW, can survive solo ganks. A mack can shrug off all but the highest firepower attacks.
With the buffs, they'll require multiple people to kill. The incentive to do so drops off precipitously when you need to spend 150M+ to kill a target. At no point did I claim it was an absolute impossibility to gank barges in hisec--but as a practical matter, it will become the pastime of the rich who don't care about sustainability.
But in any case, what's done is done (or will be done), so oh well. I just await your next round of plaintive cries and whines to CCP when "mining is too unprofitable" or "bots are all over!"
Edit: I will go so far as to say that the new skiffs will be nigh-ungankable in hisec. And they'll now mine as much as a covetor. |

Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
1251
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:28:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:... and it was so stupid that CCP implemented mining ships? and then decided that they should never be ganked ever because, as they have shown through their actions (repeated concord buffs, removal of insurance from concord kills, mining barge HP buff) hisec miners are a protected class
And that they should be.
With the removal of drone poo the miners are now more then ever the back bone of our economy.
That said, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be shot when they venture out to low / null / WHs trying to make better money than high sec ore can provide :P The Drake is a Lie |

Ohh Yeah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
215
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:29:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:why would you subscribe to a game just to mine imaginary minerals
:minecraft: |

Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
248
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:31:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:... and it was so stupid that CCP implemented mining ships? and then decided that they should never be ganked ever because, as they have shown through their actions (repeated concord buffs, removal of insurance from concord kills, mining barge HP buff) hisec miners are a protected class
the difference is, concord is the only defense that high sec miners have. high sec will never have intel on par with alliance intel channels in null, rarely will you have people ready to warp to you in combat ships if you really mess up and get tackled, etc.
there's a difference between "never being ganked" and "requires some effort/drawback to claim the free kill" Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
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