This is exactly why ganking and wardeccing should be made easier.

The so called "core players" are more about rage quitting for peanuts and the worst costumer you can ever have, they think they deserve more than any other when in fact their a true pain in the arse for everything, those are more like dog crap on your shoes when you want to make things evolve.

Business is business, costumers come and costumers go, and the more crying bitches go the better costumers you get

"cold, harsh universe" ahahahahahaha not really, welcome to MLP Online

This is exactly why ganking and wardeccing should be made easier.

those are not core players

the core players are the ones who enjoy the pvp-centric aspect of this game, UGC and an economy that is almost entirely player-driven, the ones who hope that it stays this way

those are the players who have kept this game going since 2003, not the carebears who burn out after training for a hulk/tengu/CNR and realizing that saving the damsel in distress for the 20th time isn't that exciting

There is something that has not been said here yet. When all the crying happened during Hulkageddon and the bounties were put on Barges...........ADAPT!!!!

those are not core players

the core players are the ones who enjoy the pvp-centric aspect of this game, UGC and an economy that is almost entirely player-driven, the ones who hope that it stays this way

those are the players who have kept this game going since 2003, not the carebears who burn out after training for a hulk/tengu/CNR and realizing that saving the damsel in distress for the 20th time isn't that exciting

Ganking should have a higher consequence than it does. You blow up a guys ship. And then come back and loot the body while the cops watch. Really.
Removing insurance was a good first step.
It shouldn't ever be impossible to gank someone.
But it should cost you if really need to do it.

balancing the game around the fact that hiseccers refuse to work together and refuse to fit their ships properly is dumb

except a destroyer isn't really comparable to a tank in this analogy. because the tank is radically more expensive and bigger than a digger. see the point? if a destroyer cost 300m and such i really wouldn't bother arguing the point.

An RPG-7 can destroy a Digger in under a second. It costs a lot less than the digger, and it's used up in the process. Just like a catalyst.

hi the consequence will never be "high enough" until suicide ganking somebody automatically forces the cost of their ship + all of your remaining ISK to the wallet of the ~victim~ and then you get permabanned from the game

, costumers come and costumers go, and the more crying bitches go the better costumers you get

And balancing it around the fact that Nullseccers can't coordinate their ganks and work as a group, can't fit a ship to do the job properly and demand Barges be nerfed so they can continue their immensely cheap killing spree?

Risk vs. reward.

Low risk = low reward.

A suicide gank ship should cost as much as the ship that it's ganking. So if you want to spend 300M to fit a gank ship to gank a 300M Hulk, I would call that fair.

the appropriate response was to leave them alone because they're working as intended

"oh, you got blown up by a catalyst? welcome to EVE, fit a tank"

unless you're a hisec miner, of course, because they're the protected class

Mining in .9 with a Skiff will have 0 risk. How much reward should you get?

Mining in .9 with a Skiff will have 0 risk. How much reward should you get?

...except that this is as much a nerf to suicide ganking as the ibis pilot is a contributor to total DPS in a CTA fleet...

I've been playing longer than you.,so yes I know about tanking thanks.

the difference is, concord is the only defense that high sec miners have. high sec will never have intel on par with alliance intel channels in null, rarely will you have people ready to warp to you in combat ships if you really mess up and get tackled, etc.

there's a difference between "never being ganked" and "requires some effort/drawback to claim the free kill"

Mining in .9 with a Skiff will have 0 risk. How much reward should you get?

"i've been playing longer than you" is the eve equivalent of "my regdate"

considering that i've seen '04 players who think that dual-tanked ravens are baller, well, longevity doesn't mean anything there

You clearly haven't seen the results of our 200 man ibis fleets.

So it's been rendered invincible?

So it's been rendered invincible?