Remember what happened to the last thing that promoted team work in high sec? Nerf bat to Incursions face!

Probably for the same reason people join a 50k man blob to fight imaginary enemies ... and to suicide on people mining imaginary minerals.

yeah 140m/hr in risk-free isk was totally balanced

Are we talking about incursions or technetium? ;)

Might as well hand them golden tickets because the new barges are exactly the kind of ships AFK miners and botters will appreciate. My question is...

Why are you promoting AFK mining and botting CCP?

Are you claiming that somehow barges did not need the attention?.. or are you just whining as always?

I'm bothered by the random tank buff the Mack is getting. It dilutes the Skiff's role, and it means that you really won't need to keep an eye out for gankers as you do now..

generally ships need attention when they are underused

hulks, mackinaws, covetors and retrievers are anything but underused

really?! random huh? The Mack had a real problem fitting a tank up til now. with not enough resourse to fit a proper tank, something did need to be done. are you pretending it didn't? miners will always have to watch for gankers. cry baby.

that's one reason anyway....

ships either need attention when they're so worthless that they're underused, or terribly overpowered and overused

nobody was flying mining barges or exhumers, especially not hulks

yeah because the appropriate response was to give it the EHP of a well-tanked HAC without the need for any hardeners

"miners can't figure out how to fit their ships, let's just do it for them"

no, the appropriate response as to nerf barges to paper thin so the tiniest cheap combat ship only would have to breath on them hard to for a kill.

To somehow claim that Hulks are broke because they are used by many miners is terribly short-sighted.

to claim that hulks need a boost in any sense in spite of the fact that they are so heavily used is terribly short-sighted

I never claimed that. Stop making **** up.

ships either need attention when they're so worthless that they're underused, or terribly overpowered and overused

nobody was flying mining barges or exhumers, especially not hulks

The Procurer was just useless, do to the small difference in skill required to fly the Retriever, the same was true when you compare Covetor with Hulk. You used the retriever when training for hulk, and the covetor when it was not safe to use the hulk. The mack and Skiff has the specialized bonus for ice and mercoxit, which makes them usefull, but only if you decide to mine that kind of material.

Saying that because people used the ships everything was fine, is just wrong. The ships was not useless, you just did not have any choice in what you wanted to fly.

Delicious goontears, awaits upcoming Drake nerf with glee.

You have plenty of choices, it's just that you feel entitled to fly the highest yield ships at all times.

Please explain what you mean with "plenty of choices", mining in cruisers and battleships?

Yeah tell me more about hisec miners mining mercoxit

You have plenty of choices, it's just that you feel entitled to fly the highest yield ships at all times.

yes, actually

So you are saying everyone should fly sub-optimal ships for every task? I do seem to recall fleets of Rifters for new players, and not many sitting in Condors. Same is true for every tier of ship. There are those worth flying, those that are clearly in the top 3, and there are those not worth flying. What kind of logic says someone should fly sub-optimal?

So "plenty of choices" means T2 when you can, if not covetor and rokh when you have not other choice.... up that's plenty of choices.

why would you subscribe to a game just to mine imaginary minerals

believe it or not there was once a time when battleship mining reigned