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Ginseng Jita PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY 1674	Posted - 2012.07.26 03:20:00 - [301] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: Ginseng Jita wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: Ginseng Jita wrote: Move ice fields to .6 and lower systems, and make it so players must be in a player ran corp to use barges and exhumers. Problem equalized. You can still disband and reform a corp in about 5 minutes. At a cost of 15m to a War Dec's 50m. Then rework the wardec system as well. :) They just did. They don't seem to think corp hopping defenders is a problem (for whatever reason). Which is stupid. If they are worried about people needing to create jump clones, make it easier to get one instead of having to rely on corps that provide the service. Just give us easier access to jump clones and watch the PvP skyrocket.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 178	Posted - 2012.07.26 03:39:00 - [302] - Quote Ginseng Jita wrote: Just give us easier access to jump clones and watch the PvP skyrocket. Seriously. Jump clones are sooo hard. Ugh, :effort:
Killrathy Imperial Guardians Tribal Band 0	Posted - 2012.07.26 03:43:00 - [303] - Quote Remove belts from high sec Win
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1704	Posted - 2012.07.26 04:44:00 - [304] - Quote EvilweaselSA wrote: please don't ever put "eve UI" and "AAA" in the same sentence again for any reason ccp might get confused They do charge AAA subscription cost, that's all what really matters. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Pipa Porto 498	Posted - 2012.07.26 04:48:00 - [305] - Quote Ginseng Jita wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: Ginseng Jita wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: Ginseng Jita wrote: Move ice fields to .6 and lower systems, and make it so players must be in a player ran corp to use barges and exhumers. Problem equalized. You can still disband and reform a corp in about 5 minutes. At a cost of 15m to a War Dec's 50m. Then rework the wardec system as well. :) They just did. They don't seem to think corp hopping defenders is a problem (for whatever reason). Which is stupid. If they are worried about people needing to create jump clones, make it easier to get one instead of having to rely on corps that provide the service. Just give us easier access to jump clones and watch the PvP skyrocket. I'm not talking about jump clones. I'm talking about defenders quitting out of wars, which means that Wardecs are really only useful against really stupid/new people, people with HS POSes, and people with Sov (who use non-corp alts for anything important). EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
Ginseng Jita PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY 1674	Posted - 2012.07.26 04:58:00 - [306] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: I'm not talking about jump clones. I'm talking about defenders quitting out of wars, which means that Wardecs are really only useful against really stupid/new people, people with HS POSes, and people with Sov (who use non-corp alts for anything important). I do understand where you are coming from. I also understand that many people want the ease to switch corps to get jump clones. There is an issue that clashes. It is just poorly implemented game mechanics.
Pipa Porto 498	Posted - 2012.07.26 05:00:00 - [307] - Quote Ginseng Jita wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: I'm not talking about jump clones. I'm talking about defenders quitting out of wars, which means that Wardecs are really only useful against really stupid/new people, people with HS POSes, and people with Sov (who use non-corp alts for anything important). I do understand where you are coming from. I also understand that many people want the ease to switch corps to get jump clones. There is an issue that clashes. It is just poorly implemented game mechanics. I'm fine with it being easy to switch Corps when there's no war on. When there's a war going, why should the Defender get the convenience of using standings based JC services? There are plenty of LS Rorq based services (and probably one or two HS ones from reimbursements/3month moves). EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
baltec1 Bat Country 1704	Posted - 2012.07.26 05:02:00 - [308] - Quote Haquer wrote: Finally I can move my capship about without it costing an arm and a leg. Where do you guys think the new floor for isotopes will be? :allears: At least 1/3 of what we see now. Low end minerals are also going to crash badly, just when they became worth mining. The mining equipment market is also going to crash due to far fewer sales.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1704	Posted - 2012.07.26 05:20:00 - [309] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Haquer wrote: Finally I can move my capship about without it costing an arm and a leg. Where do you guys think the new floor for isotopes will be? :allears: At least 1/3 of what we see now. Low end minerals are also going to crash badly, just when they became worth mining. The mining equipment market is also going to crash due to far fewer sales. Unlikely. At free bots + no Hulkageddon times the isotopes costed from 330 to 400 (nitrogen). After CCP banned enough bots to show they were serious and Hulkageddon happened they rocked to 1300. After Hulkageddon stopped being pushed so hard they tanked to 900. They will still drop during August. There's still a nice markup caused by CCP's anti-bot measures. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Big Bossu Enterprise Estonia Northern Coalition. 1	Posted - 2012.07.26 08:39:00 - [310] - Quote 1. Ganking t2 fitted ships in Highsec should not be profitable. Pretty much every t2 fitted ship beyond miners are already unprofitable to gank. CCP sees an imbalance here, and miners aren't really the people who should get all the 0.0/forum hate. 2. When carebearing, no ship in 0.0 or lowsec needs to lose damage/mining yield to make them more effective vs pvp. In fact, highsec PvErs don't need to do that either. I don't understand, why should miners be forced to do that? Just because, some people hate highsec players and want to grief them? Besides, even after the changes, you can still grief them... just not as cheaply as before.

Russell Casey Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 175	Posted - 2012.07.26 09:58:00 - [311] - Quote While we're discussing AFK stuff....why did they put autopilot in the game?
dexington 74	Posted - 2012.07.26 10:04:00 - [312] - Quote With all the people being butthurt and whining you just know ccp is doing the right thing. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥-á
Andar Purvanen Cognitive Disonance 1	Posted - 2012.07.26 10:17:00 - [313] - Quote dexington wrote: With all the people being butthurt and whining you just know ccp is doing the right thing. This. Death does not deter.-á I will mine until you surrender.
Evei Shard Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 102	Posted - 2012.07.26 10:17:00 - [314] - Quote Russell Casey wrote: While we're discussing AFK stuff....why did they put autopilot in the game? Because some people will use it, and it takes a long time to travel 13km in a freighter at every gate. If you know your routes, you can determine where a freighter on autopilot is going, scan the cargo, determine if it's worth it, and have several of your friends meet you at a spot where you can pop it for fun and profit. *edit: This is similar to how mining ships (before or after the buff) need to not be left alone in a belt where someone can warp in and use a ship scanner to check for a weak fit. Profit favors the prepared
Zowie Powers Hole in the wall 116	Posted - 2012.07.26 11:07:00 - [315] - Quote The more people accept changes like this, the sooner Hilmar will reintroduce gold ammo. That remained his plan after he convinced you he wasn't really going to do it. --- ATX: The best of the rest.
Dave stark Bombardier Inc 264	Posted - 2012.07.26 11:16:00 - [316] - Quote dexington wrote: With all the people being butthurt and whining you just know ccp is doing the right thing. people would be butthurt and whiney if i decided to feed kittens to alligators, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
DSpite Culhach Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.07.26 11:27:00 - [317] - Quote If people are so worried about afk bot mining, has no one ever come up with a new mining mechanic that needs more micromanagement that just makes it impossible to mine afk? I'm pretty sure that making a "bot" to do probe scans for example would be something that would likely never happen, so why not crank out an "active" mining mechanic with some degree of complexity other then "target-shoot-read book? It could be a metagame that rewards players with better ore yealds when they stay active at the computer, and disables mining lasers if unmanaged ... although I can already hear people screaming at the idea. I thought i heard mentioned someone from an EON article that CCP wanted to add much more complexity to the whole mining game, was that actually true?
March rabbit R.I.P. Legion Red Alliance 218	Posted - 2012.07.26 11:31:00 - [318] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Sentamon wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: why would you subscribe to a game just to mine imaginary minerals Probably for the same reason people join a 50k man blob to fight imaginary enemies ... and to suicide on people mining imaginary minerals. while I'm sure you've never shot anything but an NPC, those "50k man blobs" don't fight "imaginary" enemies because there are actually other people behind them yea. like it matters when your FC gives you target name and you press F1 to alpha-blow it... or when enemy fleet is goonswarm swarm of NPC
dexington 76	Posted - 2012.07.26 12:24:00 - [319] - Quote Dave stark wrote: dexington wrote: With all the people being butthurt and whining you just know ccp is doing the right thing. people would be butthurt and whiney if i decided to feed kittens to alligators, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. This is eve after all, feeding kittens to alligators and trolling the butthurt whiners would be a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Every change makes people ***** and whine and tell stories about doom and the destruction of eve, and once it is in the game hardly anyone notice it, because they are busy whining about the changes in the next patch. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥-á
TheGunslinger42 Bite Me inc Elysian Empire 169	Posted - 2012.07.26 13:02:00 - [320] - Quote a minor tech nerf a buff to barge hp i am drowning in goon tears Goons like to pretend that its all about the evil "bots" but that is such obvious bs. Admit you just want to blow up these idiots ships - there's no shame in that, you don't need to try and justify it with crap about "bots". You're not going to convince anyone that you 'care' about the game (especially considering how many times you've set out explicitly to break aspects of it) with this drivel. And you can still report bots. Let the awful afk no-risk hisec baddies have their fun mining veldspar for ten thousand isk per hour.

Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 885	Posted - 2012.07.26 13:16:00 - [321] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: ....as if Gankers never exploited game mechanics (re: Boomerang). (sigh) boomerang was never "a thing" until some guy talked about it on the forums and it got nerfed Yuppers. Herr Wilkus hung his own neck on that one. Lot's to discuss about that situation fer shure. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 885	Posted - 2012.07.26 13:34:00 - [322] - Quote Ginseng Jita wrote: Might as well hand them golden tickets because the new barges are exactly the kind of ships AFK miners and botters will appreciate. My question is... Why are you promoting AFK mining and botting CCP? You have a terrible attitude towards the game of EVE. Why on Earth are you still playiing ? GO AWAY. Laterz............... "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul
BoBoZoBo MGroup9 49	Posted - 2012.07.26 14:13:00 - [323] - Quote Toroup wrote: Thinking that you are a higher echelon of player simply because you enjoy doing certain a activities is asinine and just makes you look like some sort of epeen stroking prick. Do what you want and I'll do what I want. We both pay the same PLEX price. WIN. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 887	Posted - 2012.07.26 14:16:00 - [324] - Quote BoBoZoBo wrote: Toroup wrote: Thinking that you are a higher echelon of player simply because you enjoy doing certain a activities is asinine and just makes you look like some sort of epeen stroking prick. Do what you want and I'll do what I want. We both pay the same PLEX price. WIN. Yuppers. "DammitGÇªDonGÇÖt you dare ask God to help me."-áSaid by: Joan Crawford to her housekeeper who began to pray aloud on her deathbed. " I love you too, honey. Good luck with your show." Desi Arnaz-á
Ginseng Jita PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY 1674	Posted - 2012.07.26 17:26:00 - [325] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Ginseng Jita wrote: Might as well hand them golden tickets because the new barges are exactly the kind of ships AFK miners and botters will appreciate. My question is... Why are you promoting AFK mining and botting CCP? You have a terrible attitude towards the game of EVE. Why on Earth are you still playiing ? GO AWAY. Laterz............... No....I love EVE. What I do not like is poorly thought out game mechanics.
Beekeeper Bob Beekeepers Anonymous 192	Posted - 2012.07.26 17:28:00 - [326] - Quote Ginseng Jita wrote: Might as well hand them golden tickets because the new barges are exactly the kind of ships AFK miners and botters will appreciate. My question is... Why are you promoting AFK mining and botting CCP? income? "CCP, is a cutting edge developer, they have found a way to sell lag to their customers, and make them believe it's a feature."
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 549	Posted - 2012.07.26 17:51:00 - [327] - Quote Ginseng Jita wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Ginseng Jita wrote: Might as well hand them golden tickets because the new barges are exactly the kind of ships AFK miners and botters will appreciate. My question is... Why are you promoting AFK mining and botting CCP? You have a terrible attitude towards the game of EVE. Why on Earth are you still playiing ? GO AWAY. Laterz............... No....I love EVE. What I do not like is poorly thought out game mechanics. Then you should definitively stop playing Eve. And to all those guys with their crocodile tears let me remind you the first Eve commandment: Adapt or die brb
Ginseng Jita PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY 1674	Posted - 2012.07.26 18:09:00 - [328] - Quote Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: And to all those guys with their crocodile tears let me remind you the first Eve commandment: Adapt or die Right, miners couldn't be troubled to fit their barges and exhumers with tanks - system all ready in place that would stop almost all ganks besides the ones that really - really - really -wanted to pop you. And you are telling us to Adapt or Die? Now that is ironic.
BoBoZoBo MGroup9 51	Posted - 2012.07.26 18:51:00 - [329] - Quote Ginseng Jita wrote: Right, miners couldn't be troubled to fit their barges and exhumers with tanks - system all ready in place that would stop almost all ganks besides the ones that really - really - really -wanted to pop you. And you are telling us to Adapt or Die? Sounds like a lot of conjecture here. I would be more inclined to agree if you could narrow down real figures on: - % of miners who did not tank and *** about ganks - % of miners who did tank and still *** about ganks - What "almost" means as a % in "stop alost all ganks" Most is a broad range (51%-99%), but you sais ALMOST. - % of pilots who "really-really-really" want to pop you. - Ratio of "pilots who 'really-really-really' want to pop you." and gankers who do it hoping not to pop anything. Other than that, im inclined to deduce you dont know much about mining vessels, the point of industrial crafts, or the limitations of tanks, or how those differ from combat vessels. You also dont know much about who the real Suicide gank victim is. Vets and those with friends know how to handle this. They know HiSec criminal flags are garbage, dont allow friendly assistance and give total advantage to the aggressor. So even having friends does not help much. Not to mention, HiSec mining is not a lot of profit, so they mine elsewhere. Who is left (really) are people starting out in this game trying to get enough money to move on. In the end, you are mostly ganking noobs, some bots, or worse, AFK pilots who aren't even there. What a challenge. Now... If you had said the miners could take other measures like forming a cartel for price control or declaring war I would say, OK maybe you have something there. But lets face it, Alts can easily move around cartel embargos, and the war dec system sucks. They tried banding together in large numbers to attack the most current driving factor behind Hulkageddon payouts. What happened, they made it more expensive to have allies... LOL. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite
Rusty Spork Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.07.26 19:07:00 - [330] - Quote Giving the mining ships decent hp and ore bays is a good idea. - Now fitting a tank is possible without castrating your yield. - Low skilll toons can now mine profitably. Goons and the other gankers are all butt hurt because they can't use a 2 mil isk ship to kill a 300 mil isk ship. What kind of skill does it take to fit a dest and warp around belts until you find someone mining then shoot them? Now they are gonna have to work to pad that kill board. Now thier isk fountian of technium demand driven by hulkageddon is drying up and moon goo is getting fixed. HTFU and have a nice day :) Griefer tears are best tears.



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