nobody tanks mining ships in nullsec because the prevailing mindset there is "if you get in a situation where a tank matters you're dead anyway"

ah but that's not so true in a skiff with it's +2 warp stab bonus (which i think is still there on sisi... infact i should go and check that)

It's not.

ah but that's not so true in a skiff with it's +2 warp stab bonus (which i think is still there on sisi... infact i should go and check that)

edit: oh no, the bonus has gone :( sad times.

Where, is anyone in this thread discussing PI?

ah but that's not so true in a skiff with it's +2 warp stab bonus (which i think is still there on sisi... infact i should go and check that)

edit: oh no, the bonus has gone :( sad times.

It's a passive offline ISK faucet. You are talking about the (potential) increase in AFK mining and botters. I'm telling YOU, that PI makes great ISK, offline and is virtually risk free. If you are so against AFK isk printing machines why no hate for PI?

Hi, we use brutixes and tier3 BCs as well, which cost 50-70M depending on fitting. While you CAN scale up with destroyers, the level of coordination required to avoid getting concord on grid prematurely scales precipitously (And once it is, you need a LOT of destroyers since you need to alpha the target).

You guys and your myopic focus on destroyers is humorous, but ultimately counterproductive to serious conversation.

Ice Roids have pop quick, do they?

You're right, the Mack's not gonna be particularly AFK when mining Ore in HS (due to the small roids you mentioned), but it's gonna be able to work for like an hour totally hands off when chewing on Ice.

I can still get you with my Prot and his Shadow Serpentis Scram (3pts)

Afaik the new barge changes aren't on SiSi yet and of the ones I saw data-mined had the skiff losing the warp core stab bonus.

I'm more referring to being able to tank the battleship rats that might spawn, a current procurer would have no hope of lasting very long.

That and with barges that have a large enough buffer you might actually be able to save them if you have some security detail and logi nearby to counter any small gang that might jump you.

If you get blobbed.....well you're ****** anyway....and now Richard's quote can definitely apply :P

Afaik the new barge changes aren't on SiSi yet and of the ones I saw data-mined had the skiff losing the warp core stab bonus.

I'm more referring to being able to tank the battleship rats that might spawn, a current procurer would have no hope of lasting very long.

That and with barges that have a large enough buffer you might actually be able to save them if you have some security detail and logi nearby to counter any small gang that might jump you.

If you get blobbed.....well you're ****** anyway....and now Richard's quote can definitely apply :P

the skiff can tank rats somewhat and is used in grav anoms for its mercoxit mining bonus, but nobody solo mines in barges

believe it or not, all serious nullsec mining is in fleets

"it should cost 1bn to kill a hisec miner" - lin-young borovskova, 2012

and then it will be mission runners

and then it will be incursion runners

and then it will be dudes hauling their life's worth in a badger

and then it will be gullible dudes with 60b waiting to be scammed

....as if Gankers never exploited game mechanics (re: Boomerang). (sigh)

Abloobloo abloobloo why can't we farm Schadenfreude easily anymore

"cold, harsh universe" ahahahahahaha not really, welcome to MLP Online

and then decided that they should never be ganked ever because, as they have shown through their actions (repeated concord buffs, removal of insurance from concord kills, mining barge HP buff) hisec miners are a protected class

A hulk, properly tanked NOW, can survive solo ganks. A mack can shrug off all but the highest firepower attacks.

With the buffs, they'll require multiple people to kill. The incentive to do so drops off precipitously when you need to spend 150M+ to kill a target. At no point did I claim it was an absolute impossibility to gank barges in hisec--but as a practical matter, it will become the pastime of the rich who don't care about sustainability.

But in any case, what's done is done (or will be done), so oh well. I just await your next round of plaintive cries and whines to CCP when "mining is too unprofitable" or "bots are all over!"

Edit: I will go so far as to say that the new skiffs will be nigh-ungankable in hisec. And they'll now mine as much as a covetor.

Can't wait for the TEC nerf/ Ring mining thingy. The gourmet Goon/Griefer tears will be awesome, Im buying my pails ahead of time before there sold out

It's not your business to decide what CCP does.

You are entrenched in your 0.0 blueball anyway, no?

ok, I'll throw out this oldie.
Ban use of barges from noob/npc corps. There, problem solved.
No need to figure out how to suicide the new tanked up barges.
War dec them.
If you want to work the belts with barges then form a corp by yourself.
If you can afford a 250+m isk ship you can afford the price to incorporate.

Ah, now let the retaliatory flames begin.

the gradual removal of all nonconsensual pvp from hisec is a great idea, yes

i'm sure they'll enjoy the 3-month subscriber spike followed by everyone leaving for another MMO after they shed all of their core players

Business is business, costumers come and costumers go, and the more crying bitches go the better costumers you get