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Nadia Shah	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:26:00 - [1] If you remember back to the Haiti earthquake CCP decided to run a PLEX for Haiti campaign, First time CCP ever decided to show a "humanitarian" face, Yet before that never decided to PLEX for Tsunami, Pakistan Earthquake, Hurricane Katrina, Or any other natural disaster. Now we have an even bigger natural disaster affecting 14 million people and CCP has done nothing, So my question here is, Why does CCP choose to raise funds for certain disasters but not others? What is the criteria for which CCP must do something to help? Is it that CCP only helps certain Nations? Races? Religions? Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game.
Thuranni The Dark Space Initiative Revival Of The Talocan Empire	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:27:00 - [2] Originally by: Nadia Shah Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game. There is no restlessness in the game over this issue, noone cares, stop pretending to speak for anyone but yourself.
Nadia Shah	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:31:00 - [3] Originally by: Thuranni Originally by: Nadia Shah Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game. There is no restlessness in the game over this issue, noone cares, stop pretending to speak for anyone but yourself. If you dont care then why are you trolling? Also looks like your the one speaking for everyone when you say "noone cares", what you meant to say is you dont care which is fine by me but why you posting here.
Ay'a	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:31:00 - [4] I heard some kind sod was going to donate 74 ... oh wait nvm
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:32:00 - [5] Originally by: Thuranni Originally by: Nadia Shah Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game. There is no restlessness in the game over this issue, noone cares, stop pretending to speak for anyone but yourself. besides, population control 4tw.
Otocinclus Minmatar Project Nemesis The 0rphanage	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:33:00 - [6] Checked the news, didn't see anything about it. How much money have you or whatever company you work for donated to the victims of this disaster?
Stick Cult Unspoken Autonomy.	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:34:00 - [7] Originally by: Mitsune Konno Originally by: Thuranni Originally by: Nadia Shah Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game. There is no restlessness in the game over this issue, noone cares, stop pretending to speak for anyone but yourself. besides, population control 4tw. This to be quite **ing honest, the world is over populated. Originally by:** CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Otocinclus Checked the news, didn't see anything about it. How much money have you or whatever company you work for donated to the victims of this disaster? You wouldn't happen to be American would you?
Pesky LaRue Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Nadia Shah Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game. You mean it put YOUR mind at rest? I haven't heard any other players make a peep about this, please don't act like you're a spokesperson for anyone but yourself. .
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:35:00 - [10] Originally by: Nadia Shah If you remember back to the Haiti earthquake CCP decided to run a PLEX for Haiti campaign, First time CCP ever decided to show a "humanitarian" face, Yet before that never decided to PLEX for Tsunami 2004 Quote: Pakistan Earthquake 2005 Quote: Hurricane Katrina 2005 àand PLEXes were introduced late 2008. So that's your explanation right there. Quote: Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game. Since said restlessness has little to no bearing on CCP's humanitarian effortsà ànah. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:38:00 - [11] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Otocinclus Checked the news, didn't see anything about it. How much money have you or whatever company you work for donated to the victims of this disaster? You wouldn't happen to be American would you? and if he was? The US government sends billions in foreign aid every year, its people send even more... so i'm not sure where you were going with that.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:40:00 - [12] Originally by: Mitsune Konno Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Otocinclus Checked the news, didn't see anything about it. How much money have you or whatever company you work for donated to the victims of this disaster? You wouldn't happen to be American would you? and if he was? The US government sends billions in foreign aid every year, its people send even more... so i'm not sure where you were going with that. I was going down the line of American news sucks balls when it comes to reporting on things outside the USA.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:41:00 - [13] Originally by: Mitsune Konno Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Otocinclus Checked the news, didn't see anything about it. How much money have you or whatever company you work for donated to the victims of this disaster? You wouldn't happen to be American would you? and if he was? The US government sends billions in foreign aid every year, its people send even more... so i'm not sure where you were going with that. I might be wrong (don't want to speak for him) but I took it as a dig at the nature of reporting in this country, rather than at American aid. If you live outside the US for a while and check out other news sources, you'll understand better what he means (assuming I understood his intent correctly). .
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:41:00 - [14] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Mitsune Konno Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Otocinclus Checked the news, didn't see anything about it. How much money have you or whatever company you work for donated to the victims of this disaster? You wouldn't happen to be American would you? and if he was? The US government sends billions in foreign aid every year, its people send even more... so i'm not sure where you were going with that. I was going down the line of American news sucks balls when it comes to reporting on things outside the USA. did you hear about flooding in wisconsin?
Hari Markkus Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:42:00 - [15] Edited by: Hari Markkus on 12/08/2010 22:42:55 Originally by: Stick Cult Originally by: Mitsune Konno besides, population control 4tw. This to be quite ****ing honest, the world is over populated. Maybe you two would like to take a lead in curing this problem.
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:44:00 - [16] Originally by: Hari Markkus Edited by: Hari Markkus on 12/08/2010 22:42:55 Originally by: Stick Cult Originally by: Mitsune Konno besides, population control 4tw. This to be quite ****ing honest, the world is over populated. Maybe you two would like to take a lead in curing this problem. are you suggesting we kill people?
Pesky LaRue Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:47:00 - [17] Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 12/08/2010 22:47:32 Originally by: Mitsune Konno Originally by: Hari Markkus Edited by: Hari Markkus on 12/08/2010 22:42:55 Originally by: Stick Cult Originally by: Mitsune Konno besides, population control 4tw. This to be quite ****ing honest, the world is over populated. Maybe you two would like to take a lead in curing this problem. are you suggesting we kill people? Not OTHER people, no. You seem to misunderstand things pretty regularly - is this some kind of performance art that I'm just missing the point of? .
alittlebirdy	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:47:00 - [18] That would be tens of billions (about 28bill in 08) OP is a idiot as already shown how can you plex for something when the item does not exist? Who really cares IMHO plex for hati should not have happened. Aint no one giving me free money, let these damn people either make it on their own or die. Stop having 10 kids and then we can talk. No on in the game cares.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:50:00 - [19] Originally by: alittlebirdy Stop having 10 kids and then we can talk. Aha - so THAT'S how you protect against earthquakes, floods and famine? You learn something new every day! .
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Mitsune Konno did you hear about flooding in wisconsin? Floods in china, the air crash with that ex-congressman, the fires in russia, the floods in poland and germany and an oil spill in brazil that came from nowhere. I spend 8 to 12 hours at work with nothing but BBC news 24 for company They play ABC world news on weeknights at about 01:35 to get the "American view of the world" and 9/10 times it has nothing on the world. Seems a Jap band doing a gig in America is more important than the 14 million suffering in pakistan and russia burning to the ground
Mangala Solaris Caldari Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:51:00 - [21] So, haiti 2million out of 9 in an already damn poor country got done over by the earthquake. Poorest country in the "rich" west to boot. Pakistan 14mill (ish) out of 166million, in a state that is comparatively wealthy compared to many. Ask your oil rich muslim buddies for their famous charity (1 of the 5 pillars after all). Hell, Pakistan is certainly more wealthy than haiti - its a nuclear nation. Sell your bombs to india in return for aid :) As for why CCP isnt doing anything - it could be as others said, down to press coverage. Signature rotation removed for containing inappropriate signatures. Zymurgist
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:51:00 - [22] Originally by: Nadia Shah If you remember back to the Haiti earthquake CCP decided to run a PLEX for Haiti campaign, First time CCP ever decided to show a "humanitarian" face, Yet before that never decided to PLEX for Tsunami, Pakistan Earthquake, Hurricane Katrina, Or any other natural disaster. PLEX for Haiti blog (2010.01.29) "We at CCP have been following the devastating impact of the earthquake of January 12 on the people of Haiti. [...] In 2004 we assisted a collection amongst EVE players to help with the Southeast Asia Tsunami relief efforts and we have figured out a way to use our PLEX system to facilitate such a collection again." So, they DID collect money for the tsunami victims, and it took them over 2 weeks to get the Haiti thing going (17 days, actually). The Haiti thing was heavily reported all over the place, the reports of flooding in Pakistan, not so much... for instance, I heard about the Haiti earthquake mere hours after it happened, but I first heard about the flooding in Pakistan IN THIS THREAD. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Otocinclus Minmatar Project Nemesis The 0rphanage	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:53:00 - [23] Edited by: Otocinclus on 12/08/2010 22:55:06 Edited by: Otocinclus on 12/08/2010 22:54:43 Originally by: Mitsune Konno did you hear about flooding in wisconsin? Yeah, i wonder why CCP isn't donating to Wisconsin. After Haiti, they should be donating to everyone imo. /sarcasm EDIT I would also like to point out that the post above me is exactly what I was trying to get at in the first place.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:54:00 - [24] CCP didnt donate the money the players did. so don't ask why CCP isn't helping, ask why you aren't. This is clearly a signature.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Pesky LaRue Not OTHER people, no. You seem to misunderstand things pretty regularly - is this some kind of performance art that I'm just missing the point of? Originally by: Pesky LaRue Originally by: alittlebirdy Stop having 10 kids and then we can talk. Aha - so THAT'S how you protect against earthquakes, floods and famine? You learn something new every day! Yo Pesky; your are killing me man Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Pesky LaRue Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:56:00 - [26] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Originally by: Pesky LaRue Not OTHER people, no. You seem to misunderstand things pretty regularly - is this some kind of performance art that I'm just missing the point of? Originally by: Pesky LaRue Originally by: alittlebirdy Stop having 10 kids and then we can talk. Aha - so THAT'S how you protect against earthquakes, floods and famine? You learn something new every day! Yo Pesky; your are killing me man Slade Glad I could raise a smile, these boards can be pretty grim at times .
Agent Known	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:56:00 - [27] Originally by: Akita T [...] I first heard about the flooding in Pakistan IN THIS THREAD. This. On another note, I also have an annoying sig.
Richard Christy	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:56:00 - [28]
alittlebirdy	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:57:00 - [29] Originally by: baltec1 Floods in china, the air crash with that ex-congressman, the fires in russia, the floods in poland and germany and an oil spill in brazil that came from nowhere. Seems a Jap band doing a gig in America is more important than the 14 million suffering in pakistan and russia burning to the ground Ya, pretty much, who cares about floods in china (too many people) who cares about a ex congressman, just some dirt bag... russia can burn idc, (cold war already "burned" them once... out of cash) again more floods to not care about, YAY it rained... Oil spill... again... to care why? We just dealt with one... and who cares about pakistan? Really comes down to... we do not care... Guess people can't understand we a nice little island... news about canada/mexico is all that matters...
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:59:00 - [30] quick show of hands, who donated more than a weeks pay to any sort of charity/humanitarian group? ie red cross/crescent, doctors w/o borders, etc. (Church doesn't count, unless they had a specific event that u donated separately for)
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:01:00 - [31] Edited by: baltec1 on 12/08/2010 23:04:45 Originally by: alittlebirdy Originally by: baltec1 Floods in china, the air crash with that ex-congressman, the fires in russia, the floods in poland and germany and an oil spill in brazil that came from nowhere. Seems a Jap band doing a gig in America is more important than the 14 million suffering in pakistan and russia burning to the ground Ya, pretty much, who cares about floods in china (too many people) who cares about a ex congressman, just some dirt bag... russia can burn idc, (cold war already "burned" them once... out of cash) again more floods to not care about, YAY it rained... Oil spill... again... to care why? We just dealt with one... and who cares about pakistan? Really comes down to... we do not care... Guess people can't understand we a nice little island... news about canada/mexico is all that matters... Well. Because of the fires in russia they have stopped all export of wheat. This means that all products that use it are going to go up (wheat is already going up on the markets). So the fires are going to impact all of us as russia exports a huge amount. And then there is problem of the fires getting very close to a huge nuke research plant and the chenoble site. Which is very bad news as they already failed to stop the fires torching a naval base.
Stick Cult Unspoken Autonomy.	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:01:00 - [32] Edited by: Stick Cult on 12/08/2010 23:01:29 Originally by: Mitsune Konno quick show of hands, who donated more than a weeks pay to any sort of charity/humanitarian group? ie red cross/crescent, doctors w/o borders, etc. (Church doesn't count, unless they had a specific event that u donated separately for) /me hides hand Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
Otocinclus Minmatar Project Nemesis The 0rphanage	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:03:00 - [33] Originally by: Mitsune Konno quick show of hands, who donated more than a weeks pay to any sort of charity/humanitarian group? ie red cross/crescent, doctors w/o borders, etc. (Church doesn't count, unless they had a specific event that u donated separately for) I'll bet two weeks pay that the OP hasn't donated a dime.
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:05:00 - [34] Originally by: Otocinclus Originally by: Mitsune Konno quick show of hands, who donated more than a weeks pay to any sort of charity/humanitarian group? ie red cross/crescent, doctors w/o borders, etc. (Church doesn't count, unless they had a specific event that u donated separately for) I'll bet two weeks pay that the OP hasn't donated a dime. i'd bet the same, cept i'm retired, so betting 2x0 would be pointless. :D
Stick Cult Unspoken Autonomy.	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:06:00 - [35] Originally by: Otocinclus Originally by: Mitsune Konno quick show of hands, who donated more than a weeks pay to any sort of charity/humanitarian group? ie red cross/crescent, doctors w/o borders, etc. (Church doesn't count, unless they had a specific event that u donated separately for) I'll bet two weeks pay that the OP hasn't donated a dime. Ahh, but will you donate your bet to charity if you lose? Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:06:00 - [36] Originally by: Mitsune Konno quick show of hands, who donated more than a weeks pay to any sort of charity/humanitarian group? ie red cross/crescent, doctors w/o borders, etc. (Church doesn't count, unless they had a specific event that u donated separately for) I work for a non-profit at about 45% of the minimum I could make in the for profit sector. Unfortunately, I am not allowed to write that off Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Widemouth Deepthroat	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:07:00 - [37] Maybe those people wanting to build mosque at ground zero can give their money to pakistan instead.
Cebraio	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:07:00 - [38] The media coverage about the Haiti disaster was way bigger. I guess that's why CCP didn't jump the help-wagon yet. Also, did you know that you can donate money at many places? Red cross, to name one. Don't cry about CCP's intentions/motives when you can act by yourself.
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:08:00 - [39] If CCP does start a campaign to donate PLEX for the floods in Pakistan, I will gladly donate.
Roo Roo	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:09:00 - [40] Edited by: Roo Roo on 12/08/2010 23:16:31 Ahh Pakistan. Poor poor Pakistan. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2010/aug/09/pakistan-natural-disasters#/?picture=365580593&index=0
Riaqu	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:10:00 - [41] Edited by: Riaqu on 12/08/2010 23:10:16 Wow, there are some truly disturbed people posting in this thread. A few quick remarks: - The Pakistan flooding is a huge disaster, affectig many millions of people. To compare it to Wisconsin is... absurd. - Study after study has shown that the average American knows much less about "the rest of the world" than the other way around. US media and its population are very inward looking compared to most other nations. - The US government's foreign development aid (USAID, budget support, etc.) is very low compared to other developed countries in terms of GDP. This is partially compensated by higher private donations, but even then you will find that the US is somewhere at the bottom. People who hadn't heard about Pakistan: please try to read a newspaper once in a while. It's good for you.
BuckStrider Fleem Co	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:11:00 - [42] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Otocinclus Checked the news, didn't see anything about it. How much money have you or whatever company you work for donated to the victims of this disaster? You wouldn't happen to be American would you? Yes, we here in the U.S know all about the floods in Pakistan. Two reasons why we aren't going 'balls to the wall' as we most always do to any major disaster anywhere in the world. A) We are broke B) We figure it will help cut down on the terrorist population
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:12:00 - [43] I guess if I give 100$ to one charity I need to give 100$ to every other similar charity else i'd be a hypocrite?
alittlebirdy	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:13:00 - [44] Originally by: baltec1 Well. Because of the fires in russia they have stopped all export of wheat. This means that all products that use it are going to go up (wheat is already going up on the markets). So the fires are going to impact all of us as russia exports a huge amount. And then there is problem of the fires getting very close to a huge nuke research plant and the chenoble site. Which is very bad news as they already failed to stop the fires torching a naval base. Okay so, wait, the USA exports food, we just stop OUR exports, and eat what we make... so ya I do not need to care still. If russia goes boom from nuke, again, does not effect me. Infact! It be less people to feed! and would help with that lack of wheat, that I still do not care about. When something is gona make oil go to 1000$/b let me know. I need to care about that. August 11 USDA's August WASDE sees global wheat production, use and ending stocks down...by less than 10%. USDA now expects little if any additional Russian wheat exports this marketing year, but expects other exporters like the United States to fill the gap (its U.S. wheat export forecast is up 20% this month to 32.7 MMT) and still have ending stocks of 26 MMT (952 million bushels). So again see YOU (if you are not in the usa) need to care, I do not. I keep my wheat, let you starve.
Cebraio	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:13:00 - [45] Originally by: BuckStrider Yes, we here in the U.S know all about the floods in Pakistan. Two reasons why we aren't going 'balls to the wall' as we most always do to any major disaster anywhere in the world. A) We are broke B) We figure it will help cut down on the terrorist population You know you're talking about your allies, right?
Aerilis Gallente Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:16:00 - [46] Probably because Haiti got a ****load of media attention, and CCP wanted to jump on the good publicity bandwagon. I wouldn't be surprised if they took a nice tax deduction for themselves as well, essentially profiting from Haiti.
Riaqu	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:16:00 - [47] @ BuckStrider: please tell me you are being sarcastic? Broke? As compared to who exactly? Go live in flooded areas of Pakistan for a while, then you will understand the meaning of broke. And about the terrorist comment... please (please!) tell me you're not serious.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:16:00 - [48] Edited by: Akita T on 12/08/2010 23:17:03 Originally by: Mitsune Konno quick show of hands, who donated more than a weeks pay to any sort of charity/humanitarian group? ie red cross/crescent, doctors w/o borders, etc. (Church doesn't count, unless they had a specific event that u donated separately for) Oh hell no, I never willingly donated any noteworthy amounts of money to any charity in my entire adult life, and I plan to keep it that way at least until the day I die. I also get a horrified/disgusted look on my face whenever I see anybody giving any money to a street beggar, and I am not ashamed to show it (in fact, if it's anybody I know, I scold them for doing it). If anybody ever donated anything IN MY NAME to any charitable organization, they would never hear the end of it. P.S. If I could get the choice, I would opt out of any form of social security too. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:17:00 - [49] Originally by: Cebraio Originally by: BuckStrider Yes, we here in the U.S know all about the floods in Pakistan. Two reasons why we aren't going 'balls to the wall' as we most always do to any major disaster anywhere in the world. A) We are broke B) We figure it will help cut down on the terrorist population You know you're talking about your allies, right? What do you expect from a nation that funded terrorists that attacked its closest ally for 30 years
Thrasymachus TheSophist	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:18:00 - [50] Originally by: Cebraio You know you're talking about your allies, right? This is disputed. To put it mildly.
Irae Ragwan	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:18:00 - [51] OP, I work for the Red Cross and I would encourage you to donate your time and money to any of the NUMEROUS humanitarian efforts we are making across the globe. If you're waiting for some corporation like CCP to pitch in for PR kudoz before you give anything, you're no better than the people that you're accusing of being callus. There are plenty of ways to go about it other than trolling EVE forums with senseless **** like this. http://www.redcross.org/ Now get off your high horse and lend us a hand will ya?
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:18:00 - [52] Quote: People who hadn't heard about Pakistan: please try to read a newspaper once in a while. It's good for you. I read the newspaper on September 12th, 2001. At that point it became obvious that both the government and the MSM were useless. This is clearly a signature.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:20:00 - [53] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 12/08/2010 23:21:28 Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Cebraio Originally by: BuckStrider Yes, we here in the U.S know all about the floods in Pakistan. Two reasons why we aren't going 'balls to the wall' as we most always do to any major disaster anywhere in the world. A) We are broke B) We figure it will help cut down on the terrorist population You know you're talking about your allies, right? What do you expect from a nation that funded terrorists that attacked its closest ally for 30 years Although what he said is classic ignorant 'American' fluffery or plain old trollery, don't come in here acting like the US is the only nation that has had their hands in the cookie jar known as Arabia/Middle East/whatever you want to call that region. The US is only the lastes of the offenders in the grand scheme of things. EDIT: I probably missinterpreted your post Baltec, but I will leave my response up either way. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:20:00 - [54] Originally by: Riaqu Edited by: Riaqu on 12/08/2010 23:10:16 Wow, there are some truly disturbed people posting in this thread. A few quick remarks: - The Pakistan flooding is a huge disaster, affectig many millions of people. To compare it to Wisconsin is... absurd. - Study after study has shown that the average American knows much less about "the rest of the world" than the other way around. US media and its population are very inward looking compared to most other nations. - The US government's foreign development aid (USAID, budget support, etc.) is very low compared to other developed countries in terms of GDP. This is partially compensated by higher private donations, but even then you will find that the US is somewhere at the bottom. People who hadn't heard about Pakistan: please try to read a newspaper once in a while. It's good for you. It's absurd? I guess the folks in wisconsin should htfu. Their lives aren't as important as others.
BuckStrider Fleem Co	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:21:00 - [55] Edited by: BuckStrider on 12/08/2010 23:21:35 Originally by: Cebraio Originally by: BuckStrider Yes, we here in the U.S know all about the floods in Pakistan. Two reasons why we aren't going 'balls to the wall' as we most always do to any major disaster anywhere in the world. A) We are broke B) We figure it will help cut down on the terrorist population You know you're talking about your allies, right? Is that what they told you?...Yes 'on paper' I guess you could call them 'allies', but then again they haven't been really bending over backwards to defeat our enemy that resides and attacks us from thier soil...As a matter of fact they have a peace agreement with them. Edit for spelling errors
Menkala	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:21:00 - [56] Originally by: Mitsune Konno quick show of hands, who donated more than a weeks pay to any sort of charity/humanitarian group? ie red cross/crescent, doctors w/o borders, etc. (Church doesn't count, unless they had a specific event that u donated separately for) o/ But I've also worked for charities in the 3rd world, so I might be a special case. Pakistan flooding hasn't received any of the news/airtime it deserves to be honest. I honestly think it might be a bias from general Americanism/Newscorp/Western mentality not to show something that might demand sympathy in an Islamic country. As opposed to, say, a Christian country like Haiti. Pakistan is a tricky country that doesn't ever feature favourably in any western media, they pretty much walk the line of the "Rogue State" attitude that the media shows towards countries like Iran, for example. (Incidentally, this, in my opinion is complete bull****) I do wonder what the media response would have been if this had happened comparatively in.... say, South Africa and conversely somewhere like Iran. The flooding has effected a greater number of people (14 MILLION) than the entire population of Haiti, but - and here's another big thing that determines news coverage - the death toll stands at something like 1,500 as opposed to the 90k-200k that died in Haiti. I have this overriding hatred of all things biased news related, and this is another case of something that should be front page and in everyones minds but is brushed aside for stupid reasons. (that may differ from the above, admittedly) But as per the topic. CCP can't do a plex drive every single time something bad happens in the world. What are they going to do, set up a bodycount meter that starts up plex donation when, say, 10,000 die? I honestly think the Haiti drive was a bad idea. YES, you should give to charity, YES you should give lots, frequently, YES if it even raised a dollar extra compared to what would of been donated had the drive not been done then it was worthwhile. But it sets a precedent that CCP probably can't keep up with.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:24:00 - [57] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 12/08/2010 23:25:01 Originally by: BuckStrider Is that what they told you?...Yes 'on paper' I guess you could call them 'allies', but then again they haven't been really bending over backwards to defeat our enemy that resides and attacks us from thier soil...As a matter of fact they have a peace agreement with them. Edit for spelling errors That is how things have been working in that region for centuries. Over all this time you would think that we would have figured out how the minds of the individuals that control power blocks in the region work. Unfortunately we have been unable to bridge the gaps the run through all of the cultures that habitate the region. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:25:00 - [58] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 12/08/2010 23:21:28 Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Cebraio Originally by: BuckStrider Yes, we here in the U.S know all about the floods in Pakistan. Two reasons why we aren't going 'balls to the wall' as we most always do to any major disaster anywhere in the world. A) We are broke B) We figure it will help cut down on the terrorist population You know you're talking about your allies, right? What do you expect from a nation that funded terrorists that attacked its closest ally for 30 years Although what he said is classic ignorant 'American' fluffery or plain old trollery, don't come in here acting like the US is the only nation that has had their hands in the cookie jar known as Arabia/Middle East/whatever you want to call that region. The US is only the lastes of the offenders in the grand scheme of things. EDIT: I probably missinterpreted your post Baltec, but I will leave my response up either way. Slade Oh hell Britain has been running riot in the middle east for longer than America has exsisted. But I was going on about the IRA.
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:28:00 - [59] Originally by: Menkala Originally by: Mitsune Konno quick show of hands, who donated more than a weeks pay to any sort of charity/humanitarian group? ie red cross/crescent, doctors w/o borders, etc. (Church doesn't count, unless they had a specific event that u donated separately for) o/ But I've also worked for charities in the 3rd world, so I might be a special case. Pakistan flooding hasn't received any of the news/airtime it deserves to be honest. I honestly think it might be a bias from general Americanism/Newscorp/Western mentality not to show something that might demand sympathy in an Islamic country. As opposed to, say, a Christian country like Haiti. Pakistan is a tricky country that doesn't ever feature favourably in any western media, they pretty much walk the line of the "Rogue State" attitude that the media shows towards countries like Iran, for example. (Incidentally, this, in my opinion is complete bull****) I do wonder what the media response would have been if this had happened comparatively in.... say, South Africa and conversely somewhere like Iran. The flooding has effected a greater number of people (14 MILLION) than the entire population of Haiti, but - and here's another big thing that determines news coverage - the death toll stands at something like 1,500 as opposed to the 90k-200k that died in Haiti. I have this overriding hatred of all things biased news related, and this is another case of something that should be front page and in everyones minds but is brushed aside for stupid reasons. (that may differ from the above, admittedly) But as per the topic. CCP can't do a plex drive every single time something bad happens in the world. What are they going to do, set up a bodycount meter that starts up plex donation when, say, 10,000 die? I honestly think the Haiti drive was a bad idea. YES, you should give to charity, YES you should give lots, frequently, YES if it even raised a dollar extra compared to what would of been donated had the drive not been done then it was worthwhile. But it sets a precedent that CCP probably can't keep up with. The US still provides food aid to North Korea. :( So everyone admits we donate a lot, but not as much per gdp, well I say increase ur gdp then. We have problems too.
Rpeg Minmatar Rosa Castellum	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:29:00 - [60] Edited by: Rpeg on 12/08/2010 23:29:11 EVERYONE SHUT UP You can donate here: https://www.oxfam.org.uk/donate/pakistan-floods/index.php . -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:30:00 - [61] What a pathetic thread. There's plenty of things wrong with Eve but there's absolutely nothing wrong with CCP not donating money to every single humanitarian fund just because it donated to one of them. Would you prefer CCP and all businesses the world over chose never to donate money to relief funds? CCP tries to do something nice for a group of people in a time of crisis, a few months later they're getting bull**** from tards like you because they dont do something nice for everyone in a time of crisis. Maybe they should sell their business and give all the proceeds to the Pakistan flood relief fund. Idiot.
Riaqu	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:30:00 - [62] Edited by: Riaqu on 12/08/2010 23:32:37 Edited by: Riaqu on 12/08/2010 23:31:04 Originally by: Mitsune Konno It's absurd? I guess the folks in wisconsin should htfu. Their lives aren't as important as others. Err, no, how do you deduce that from my post? My point was that the floods in Wisconsin are unfortunately the type of disaster that is fairly common (on a global scale) in terms of people affected and economic damage. It is deeply tragic for the people affected, and they deserve support. However, these scale disasters happen, unfortunaly, all the time. Unless you work for OCHA/Relief Web/specialised NGOs/etc., you cannot be expected to be aware of, or donating money for, all such events. The floods in Pakistan are special because of the sheer number of victims and destruction. In terms of deaths, wounded, people who became homeless, or economic devastation, you cannot seriously compare it to the situation in Wisconsin.
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:33:00 - [63] Originally by: Riaqu Edited by: Riaqu on 12/08/2010 23:31:04 Originally by: Mitsune Konno It's absurd? I guess the folks in wisconsin should htfu. Their lives aren't as important as others. Err, no, how do you deduce that from my post? My point was that the floods in Wisconsin are unfortunately the type of disaster that is fairly common (on a global scale) in terms of people affected and economic damage. It is deeply tragic for the people affected, and they deserve support. However, these scale disasters happen, unfortunaly, all the time. Unless you work for OCHA/Relief Web/specialised NGOs/etc., you cannot be expected to be aware of, or donating money for, all such events. The floods in Pakistan are special because of the sheer number of victims and destruction. In terms of deaths, wunded, homeles, economic devastation, you cannot seriously compare it to Wisconsin. So then we should still be donating to Tsunami aid, cuz that ** **ed up way more.
Cebraio	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:35:00 - [64] Originally by: Mitsune Konno It's absurd? I guess the folks in wisconsin should htfu. Their lives aren't as important as others. YES IT IS! And it really ****es me off that you can be so ignorant to compare Wisconsin flooding with the Pakistan disaster! I had to read up on that flooding because yes, it hasn't been mentioned in German media. And now I know why: That flood "caused one confirmed death". ONE! You know how many have died in Pakistan and how many will die? Not to mention the differences in medical treatment, supplies, clean water and so on. Let's hope you're just a troll with bad taste of humour.
Kickin Urass	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:39:00 - [65] Originally by: Riaqu The floods in Pakistan are special because of the sheer number of victims and destruction. In terms of deaths, wounded, people who became homeless, or economic devastation, you cannot seriously compare it to the situation in Wisconsin. And yet my $100 will mean just as much to the homeless Wisconsin family as the homeless Pakistani family. Indeed, it may mean even more, as the relative difference to the Wisconsin person is likely greater. If you choose to donate to ANY needy cause or person, good for you. But no one is more deserving than another. The family of the one dead person in Wisconsin could use my $100 and is just as deserving of it as the family of any one dead person in Pakistan. I choose not to donate to Pakistan because, while I feel bad for what has happened to their people, I do not consider them friends.
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:40:00 - [66] Originally by: Cebraio Originally by: Mitsune Konno It's absurd? I guess the folks in wisconsin should htfu. Their lives aren't as important as others. YES IT IS! And it really **es me off that you can be so ignorant to compare Wisconsin flooding with the Pakistan disaster! I had to read up on that flooding because yes, it hasn't been mentioned in German media. And now I know why: That flood "caused one confirmed death". ONE! You know how many have died in Pakistan and how many will die? Not to mention the differences in medical treatment, supplies, clean water and so on. Let's hope you're just a troll with bad taste of humour. do dead people need shelter and food? Does the death toll affect how much people are suffering? Also, since you're so outraged, how much have you donated? It seems like every time the US is mentioned, everyone in the world jumps on board to bash it. Doesn't matter what the issue, ** the USA.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:40:00 - [67] Originally by: Mitsune Konno Originally by: Riaqu Edited by: Riaqu on 12/08/2010 23:31:04 Originally by: Mitsune Konno It's absurd? I guess the folks in wisconsin should htfu. Their lives aren't as important as others. Err, no, how do you deduce that from my post? My point was that the floods in Wisconsin are unfortunately the type of disaster that is fairly common (on a global scale) in terms of people affected and economic damage. It is deeply tragic for the people affected, and they deserve support. However, these scale disasters happen, unfortunaly, all the time. Unless you work for OCHA/Relief Web/specialised NGOs/etc., you cannot be expected to be aware of, or donating money for, all such events. The floods in Pakistan are special because of the sheer number of victims and destruction. In terms of deaths, wunded, homeles, economic devastation, you cannot seriously compare it to Wisconsin. So then we should still be donating to Tsunami aid, cuz that ** **ed up way more. More died (so far) but the pakistan floods have hit much more people. A lot more are going to die in Pakistan before it starts to get better.
Mel Dareia	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:41:00 - [68] Originally by: ChaeDoc II What a pathetic thread. This. But then this is the EVE forums. It's full of people obviously needing attention, no matter what.
alittlebirdy	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:42:00 - [69] Edited by: alittlebirdy on 12/08/2010 23:42:45 If you donate to Pakistan you are funding terrorism. If you donate to flood victims in the USAà you are saving peopleÆs lives, not killing others. Also like to know how much Pakistan helped the USA during Katrina? Die in a ~~fire~~ flood. Edit: spelling.
Riaqu	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:43:00 - [70] Edited by: Riaqu on 12/08/2010 23:44:02 Originally by: Mitsune Konno So then we should still be donating to Tsunami aid, cuz that ** **ed up way more. You understand we are talking about humanitarian acion and relief efforts here, right? It's about preventing more people from dying because of typhoid, malaria, geater flooding, and children who lost their parents and who have no one to support them. There's nthing wrong with supporting Tsunami-hit countries, but that would now fall under development aid, rather than humanitarian relief efforts. Perhaps you are just trolling though... in that case, please stop.
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:43:00 - [71] If you're really looking for honesty, Pakistan and Haiti were ** holes before their respective disasters, and no one was speaking out then, especially Haiti, whose children had to eat cookies made of dirt to survive. No one had a problem with that, at least until an earthquake interrupted the dirt supply, then its all like, oh noes lets help Haiti, everyone that doesn't help is a monster. Pakistan, quite the ** hole. But you weren't posting about it before the earthquake. But now suddenly you care. I'd be more inclined to believe your desire to help was genuine if you weren't trying to pass off grand gestures, which are ultimately going to help little in the long run, as some sort of evidence of moral superiority. If you truly want to help those people, then stop wasting your time trying to guilt other people into helping, roll up your sleeves, and get started helping them yourself. I think you'll find that if you focus more on what your doing, and less on what others are doing, you'll get more done (you will also not come off as a pretentious douche).
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:43:00 - [72] Originally by: alittlebirdy Edited by: alittlebirdy on 12/08/2010 23:42:45 If you donate to Pakistan you are funding terrorism. If you donate to flood victims in the USAà you are saving peopleÆs lives, not killing others. Also like to know how much Pakistan helped the USA during Katrina? Die in a ~~fire~~ flood. Edit: spelling. You're not even trolling, are you?
Mel Dareia	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:45:00 - [73] Originally by: alittlebirdy Edited by: alittlebirdy on 12/08/2010 23:42:45 If you donate to Pakistan you are funding terrorism. If you donate to flood victims in the USAà you are saving peopleÆs lives, not killing others. Also like to know how much Pakistan helped the USA during Katrina? Die in a ~~fire~~ flood. Edit: spelling. You're one sad person.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:45:00 - [74] To touch on a minor point in this train wreck of a thread... I wouldn't worry too much about Russia or anyone that depends on their wheat. We (America) will keep them afloat if necessary along with anyone that depends of purchasing Russian wheat. We generate tremendous over supply's of wheat, and even donating huge amounts of food in humanitarian aid (which sometimes is left rotting on the receiving countries docks by their own government) we still have to pay our farmers NOT to produce food. It may take a while to set up, we may need to break open our own reserves in the short run, but we'll do our best to fill the gap. It just takes awhile to get wheels that big turning. As far as the Pakistan situation, I agree that for various reasons it has not gotten the media coverage that is needed. Our political relations with them are... complicated... but I really wouldn't care if their government was our worst enemy. Politics aside, I think most people in the world community recognize when a nations population is in trouble and want to help. We may fault a population for the political stance their government is allowed to take, but we don't want their children to suffer or starve. It's not CCP's responsibility to start a charitable drive *every* time something goes wrong in the world, although they have shown a willingness to do what they can. Nor is it our responsibility as individuals, but if you are at a place financially where you can help out this time please do so. Good links to do so have been provided. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
alittlebirdy	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:46:00 - [75] Maybe the first 2 lines , but you DO have much better odds of helping terrorists giving them money than other places...
Cebraio	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:48:00 - [76] Originally by: Mitsune Konno do dead people need shelter and food? Does the death toll affect how much people are suffering? No, but like I said. Differences in medical treatment, (food) supplies and clean water affect how much people are suffering. Originally by: Mitsune Konno Also, since you're so outraged, how much have you donated? It's none of your god-damn business how much I donated. Rest assured that I did donate. Originally by: Mitsune Konno It seems like every time the US is mentioned, everyone in the world jumps on board to bash it. Doesn't matter what the issue, **** the USA. I didn't bash the USA and I don't intend to, but with people like you, you shouldn't be surprised about peaople talking bad about the US. You are so ignorant that it makes me wanna punch something...
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:50:00 - [77] Edited by: ChaeDoc II on 12/08/2010 23:50:28 Originally by: alittlebirdy Maybe the first 2 lines , but you DO have much better odds of helping terrorists giving them money than other places... Then by that logic, the logic being that because some terrorists base themselves from Pakistan any donation to help the people of pakistans is a donation towards terror, then any donation to the people of the southern United States affected by hurricanes is a donation towards the klan. edit: those initials are censored? really?
Pesky LaRue Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:53:00 - [78] Originally by: Mitsune Konno It seems like every time the US is mentioned, everyone in the world jumps on board to bash it. Doesn't matter what the issue, **** the USA. OH come on, admit it - this IS performance art, right? Please say yes. .
Riaqu	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:54:00 - [79] Very often in these threads, there seems to be a missunderstanding with respect to people sounding critical of the US. It is not the country that is being criticised, nor the "American way of life" or anything like that. There are some amazing US NGOs working in development corporation and humanitarian action. Rather, it is the segment in the US population (or any other population, for that matter) that posts things like "just let that terrorist population die", or "never heard of the Pakistan floods", "they didn't help us durng Katrina" or "nobody cared about Haiti before" that make people cringe/shocked/ouraged/whatever. Political extremism combined with extreme ignorance is a very ugly thing.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:54:00 - [80] Originally by: alittlebirdy Edited by: alittlebirdy on 12/08/2010 23:42:45 If you donate to Pakistan you are funding terrorism. If you donate to flood victims in the USAà you are saving peopleÆs lives, not killing others. Also like to know how much Pakistan helped the USA during Katrina? Die in a ~~fire~~ flood. Edit: spelling. The richest nation on the planet should not need aid to help one city.
alittlebirdy	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:56:00 - [81] Edited by: alittlebirdy on 12/08/2010 23:56:51 wisconsin is in the north... "food" for thought... This is for the USA Of the 49.1 million people living in food insecure households (up from 36.2 million in 2007), 32.4 million are adults (14.4 percent of all adults) and 16.7 million are children (22.5 percent of all children). 17.3 million people lived in households that were considered to have "very low food security," a USDA term (previously denominated "food insecure with hunger") Acccording to a Cornell University sociologist, the need to use food stamps is a common American experience that at least half of all Americans between the ages of 20 and 65 (four out of ten Americans in their adulthood) will face While studies show that food insecurity and hunger have been tied closely to chronic disease development and impaired psychological and cognitive functioning in children, 13 million children live in US households that must skip meals or eat less due to economic constraints. Why donate to a ONE TIME event in another county? 14million PSH we got that many KIDS who need food. CCP please PLEX for the kids of the USA.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:56:00 - [82] Originally by: Riaqu Very often in these threads, there seems to be a missunderstanding with respect to people sounding critical of the US. It is not the country that is being criticised, nor the "American way of life" or anything like that. There are some amazing US NGOs working in development corporation and humanitarian action. Rather, it is the segment in the US population (or any other population, for that matter) that posts things like "just let that terrorist population die", or "never heard of the Pakistan floods", "they didn't help us durng Katrina" or "nobody cared about Haiti before" that make people cringe/shocked/ouraged/whatever. Political extremism combined with extreme ignorance is a very ugly thing.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:58:00 - [83] Quote: I didn't bash the USA and I don't intend to, but with people like you, you shouldn't be surprised about peaople talking bad about the US. Precisely, because we are the only country with internet trolls. This is clearly a signature.
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2010.08.13 00:01:00 - [84] Originally by: Riaqu Very often in these threads, there seems to be a missunderstanding with respect to people sounding critical of the US. It is not the country that is being criticised, nor the "American way of life" or anything like that. There are some amazing US NGOs working in development corporation and humanitarian action. Rather, it is the segment in the US population (or any other population, for that matter) that posts things like "just let that terrorist population die", or "never heard of the Pakistan floods", "they didn't help us durng Katrina" or "nobody cared about Haiti before" that make people cringe/shocked/ouraged/whatever. Political extremism combined with extreme ignorance is a very ugly thing. The reality is, most of the world doesn't give a ** about anyone, except itself and its interests. A few care and donate time, money, supplies, w/e. The rest *** and moan about others not doing enough.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.08.13 00:02:00 - [85] Originally by: alittlebirdy Acccording to a Cornell University sociologist, the need to use food stamps is a common American experience that at least half of all Americans between the ages of 20 and 65 (four out of ten Americans in their adulthood) will face If you want some more sad info, I can name probably 30 people every month that sell their food stamps for 50% value. The people getting them don't need them and end up with cash to buy non food items and the people that buy them end up with twice as much food that they would have had. Thats why the entire program needs to go, and if people starve to death, well tough ****!
Cebraio	Posted - 2010.08.13 00:03:00 - [86] Originally by: alittlebirdy Tears for the USA Saying that wealth, food and medical care is not distributed equally among people is correct. But that's not the fault of Pakistan or Haiti, it's the fault of your own (and my own and many other) government/s. Crying about grievances in America doesn't help anybody but your own little self.
Riaqu	Posted - 2010.08.13 00:05:00 - [87] Edited by: Riaqu on 13/08/2010 00:06:36 Originally by: alittlebirdy Edited by: alittlebirdy on 12/08/2010 23:58:28 Edited by: alittlebirdy on 12/08/2010 23:56:51 wisconsin is in the north... "food" for thought... This is for the USA Of the 49.1 million people living in food insecure households (up from 36.2 million in 2007), 32.4 million are adults (14.4 percent of all adults) and 16.7 million are children (22.5 percent of all children). 17.3 million people lived in households that were considered to have "very low food security," a USDA term (previously denominated "food insecure with hunger") Acccording to a Cornell University sociologist, the need to use food stamps is a common American experience that at least half of all Americans between the ages of 20 and 65 (four out of ten Americans in their adulthood) will face While studies show that food insecurity and hunger have been tied closely to chronic disease development and impaired psychological and cognitive functioning in children, 13 million children live in US households that must skip meals or eat less due to economic constraints. Why donate to a ONE TIME event in another county? 14million PSH we got that many KIDS who need food. (note different dates for quotes so, numbers are close... more than one source used...) CCP please PLEX for the kids of the USA. You should go and work for while for an NGO in eastern Congo, Southern Sudan or any other of dozens of countries that have a tiny fraction of US economic resources. That will show you true poverty. I do think, however, that poverty in the US is a disgrace (given its vast economic resources). However, allowing such poverty is a political choice that the elected officials in Washingon make on a daily basis. Don't like it? Vote differently next time.
alittlebirdy	Posted - 2010.08.13 00:05:00 - [88] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: alittlebirdy Acccording to a Cornell University sociologist, the need to use food stamps is a common American experience that at least half of all Americans between the ages of 20 and 65 (four out of ten Americans in their adulthood) will face If you want some more sad info, I can name probably 30 people every month that sell their food stamps for 50% value. The people getting them don't need them and end up with cash to buy non food items and the people that buy them end up with twice as much food that they would have had. Thats why the entire program needs to go, and if people starve to death, well tough ****! Wanta comment on the other quotes that have nothing to do with food stamps? Also so what, the point is the NUMBER of people would "NEED" to go on it... I never said anything good/bad about food stamps.
Cebraio	Posted - 2010.08.13 00:08:00 - [89] Originally by: Cipher Jones Quote: I didn't bash the USA and I don't intend to, but with people like you, you shouldn't be surprised about peaople talking bad about the US. Precisely, because we are the only country with internet trolls. No you aren't, but if these two are simply trolls, then you surely have the worst of them.
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Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.08.13 00:17:00 - [92] Originally by: alittlebirdy Wanta comment on the other quotes that have nothing to do with food stamps? Sure A country should take care of itself. No matter how big or small it is, it should not send or receive foreign aid. Countries have more important things to spend their money on in their own country than to worry about anyone else. Same for businesses. Why should company XYZ care about anyone else?
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.13 00:21:00 - [93] Originally by: Cebraio Originally by: Cipher Jones Quote: I didn't bash the USA and I don't intend to, but with people like you, you shouldn't be surprised about peaople talking bad about the US. Precisely, because we are the only country with internet trolls. No you aren't, but if these two are simply trolls, then you surely have the worst of them. We do like to be #1. This is clearly a signature.
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2010.08.13 00:23:00 - [94] Edited by: Mitsune Konno on 13/08/2010 00:26:53 Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Cebraio Originally by: Cipher Jones Quote: I didn't bash the USA and I don't intend to, but with people like you, you shouldn't be surprised about peaople talking bad about the US. Precisely, because we are the only country with internet trolls. No you aren't, but if these two are simply trolls, then you surely have the worst of them. We do like to be #1. America, **** YEAH! edit: added video, cuz you know you love it.
Menkala	Posted - 2010.08.13 00:24:00 - [95] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: alittlebirdy Wanta comment on the other quotes that have nothing to do with food stamps? Sure A country should take care of itself. No matter how big or small it is, it should not send or receive foreign aid. Countries have more important things to spend their money on in their own country than to worry about anyone else. Same for businesses. Why should company XYZ care about anyone else? Businesses aside? Morality. Ethics. Humanity. Hypothetical situation - USA gets hit by a freak succession of natural disasters. Food output drops to nothing, infrastructure is destroyed. Basically gets buggered. By your logic, lets leave the population of the US to die. Fantastic.
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2010.08.13 00:26:00 - [96] Originally by: Menkala Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: alittlebirdy Wanta comment on the other quotes that have nothing to do with food stamps? Sure A country should take care of itself. No matter how big or small it is, it should not send or receive foreign aid. Countries have more important things to spend their money on in their own country than to worry about anyone else. Same for businesses. Why should company XYZ care about anyone else? Businesses aside? Morality. Ethics. Humanity. Hypothetical situation - USA gets hit by a freak succession of natural disasters. Food output drops to nothing, infrastructure is destroyed. Basically gets buggered. By your logic, lets leave the population of the US to die. Fantastic. Sounds like a plan everyone can agree with.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.13 00:27:00 - [97] Originally by: Mitsune Konno Originally by: Menkala Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: alittlebirdy Wanta comment on the other quotes that have nothing to do with food stamps? Sure A country should take care of itself. No matter how big or small it is, it should not send or receive foreign aid. Countries have more important things to spend their money on in their own country than to worry about anyone else. Same for businesses. Why should company XYZ care about anyone else? Businesses aside? Morality. Ethics. Humanity. Hypothetical situation - USA gets hit by a freak succession of natural disasters. Food output drops to nothing, infrastructure is destroyed. Basically gets buggered. By your logic, lets leave the population of the US to die. Fantastic. Sounds like a plan everyone can agree with. Yeah it will be fun watching the rest of the world starve. This is clearly a signature.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.08.13 00:30:00 - [98] Originally by: Menkala By your logic, lets leave the population of the US to die. Fantastic. Indeed, We survived the civil war in the 1860's, the San Francisco earthquake of 1906, hurricane Katrina in 2005, and are working on the worlds largest oil spill. Those that are capable of surviving will do so. Those that are not, well, tough. Humans survived for thousands of years without electricity, cars, phones, grocery stores, or foreign aid bailouts. I'm pretty sure people that are willing to put forth a little effort will survive.
Simply Humus	Posted - 2010.08.13 00:31:00 - [99] Originally by: Menkala Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: alittlebirdy Wanta comment on the other quotes that have nothing to do with food stamps? Sure A country should take care of itself. No matter how big or small it is, it should not send or receive foreign aid. Countries have more important things to spend their money on in their own country than to worry about anyone else. Same for businesses. Why should company XYZ care about anyone else? Businesses aside? Morality. Ethics. Humanity. Hypothetical situation - USA gets hit by a freak succession of natural disasters. Food output drops to nothing, infrastructure is destroyed. Basically gets buggered. By your logic, lets leave the population of the US to die. Fantastic. What I find so funny about this is you think it could end up differently.
Cebraio	Posted - 2010.08.13 00:33:00 - [100] Edited by: Cebraio on 13/08/2010 00:33:59 Originally by: Mitsune Konno America, ** YEAH! edit: added video, cuz you know you love it. I liked the "fake tits" part. Edit: tits, for **s sake!
Jovialmadness	Posted - 2010.08.13 00:35:00 - [101] Edited by: Jovialmadness on 13/08/2010 00:36:15 Edited by: Jovialmadness on 13/08/2010 00:35:57 Originally by: Nadia Shah If you remember back to the Haiti earthquake CCP decided to run a PLEX for Haiti campaign, First time CCP ever decided to show a "humanitarian" face, Yet before that never decided to PLEX for Tsunami, Pakistan Earthquake, Hurricane Katrina, Or any other natural disaster. Now we have an even bigger natural disaster affecting 14 million people and CCP has done nothing, So my question here is, Why does CCP choose to raise funds for certain disasters but not others? What is the criteria for which CCP must do something to help? Is it that CCP only helps certain Nations? Races? Religions? Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game. No good deed goes unpunished huh.....so them helping one need and not another warranted you bringing this **** up?
Menkala	Posted - 2010.08.13 00:44:00 - [102] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Menkala By your logic, lets leave the population of the US to die. Fantastic. Indeed, We survived the civil war in the 1860's, the San Francisco earthquake of 1906, hurricane Katrina in 2005, and are working on the worlds largest oil spill. Those that are capable of surviving will do so. Those that are not, well, tough. Humans survived for thousands of years without electricity, cars, phones, grocery stores, or foreign aid bailouts. I'm pretty sure people that are willing to put forth a little effort will survive. Your naivety astounds me, truly. You'd be unwilling to accept help - that could save thousands upon thousands of lives based on the fact that you don't think that countries in the world should help each other? There's a Roosevelt quote about giving aid to the UK during world war 2. Paraphrasing, it says that if your neighbours house is on fire, you don't just ignore them or barter for use of your hose - you let them use it to put the fire out. And god knows how much foreign aid was given to the US for Katrina. Hell, I even donated to a Katrina aid fund. (I'm British) You also kind of miss my point. What happened if the USA got so badly done over by natural disasters that it was unable to cope with the destruction, to the tune of thousands (millions) of lives? You'd refuse foreign aid out of what.... pride? Haiti's entire infrastructure got destroyed. Foreign aid saved thousands upon thousands of lives. You'd condemn those people simply because they had the misfortune to get hit by a natural disaster?
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.08.13 00:54:00 - [103] Originally by: Menkala You also kind of miss my point. What happened if the USA got so badly done over by natural disasters that it was unable to cope with the destruction, to the tune of thousands (millions) of lives? You'd refuse foreign aid out of what.... pride? Haiti's entire infrastructure got destroyed. Foreign aid saved thousands upon thousands of lives. You'd condemn those people simply because they had the misfortune to get hit by a natural disaster? Don't get me wrong. I donated PLEXes for the Haiti fund, and in RL I donate when I can to help out others here in the US and abroad. But if all countries saved the money they spent per year in foreign aid and invested it into their own country. Most countries would have a healthy reserve of supplies and money to see them through most* diasters. *asteroids, biological, nuclear, or 2012 incidents not included.
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2010.08.13 00:57:00 - [104] OP needs to learn the definition of "hypocrisy". At absolute worst, this is merely inconsistency --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Kewso	Posted - 2010.08.13 01:00:00 - [105] like we'd even want to buy plex's for them we could donate used towels for their heads though thats about it
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2010.08.13 01:04:00 - [106] lets not forget that they stole nuclear technology from us, are propped up by our government, and not-so-secretly harbor our enemies. Sleeping with the enemy, raising their kids, having our sons and daughters die at their hands. It really makes you want to give.
Riaqu	Posted - 2010.08.13 01:07:00 - [107] Originally by: Breaker77 Don't get me wrong. I donated PLEXes for the Haiti fund, and in RL I donate when I can to help out others here in the US and abroad. But if all countries saved the money they spent per year in foreign aid and invested it into their own country. Most countries would have a healthy reserve of supplies and money to see them through most* diasters. *asteroids, biological, nuclear, or 2012 incidents not included. That's maybe true for some richer countries during a good (disaster-light) year, but certainly not world-wide (not even close). Katrina cost more than the sum of all of the US development aid during the decade that preceded it. Also, do not forget that a lot (perhaps most) development aid is tight into geopolitical interests. European, Chinese and US aid to subsaharan africa has increase dramaticall, recently. Why? Because it gives them access to natural resources in that area of the world. My point is that a lot of "foreign aid" is not truly charitable, but born out of self-interests.
dethleffs Silverwing Explorers	Posted - 2010.08.13 01:07:00 - [108] fantastic thread. this must be the worst drivel ive seen yet on eve-o...
Menkala	Posted - 2010.08.13 01:08:00 - [109] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Menkala You also kind of miss my point. What happened if the USA got so badly done over by natural disasters that it was unable to cope with the destruction, to the tune of thousands (millions) of lives? You'd refuse foreign aid out of what.... pride? Haiti's entire infrastructure got destroyed. Foreign aid saved thousands upon thousands of lives. You'd condemn those people simply because they had the misfortune to get hit by a natural disaster? Don't get me wrong. I donated PLEXes for the Haiti fund, and in RL I donate when I can to help out others here in the US and abroad. But if all countries saved the money they spent per year in foreign aid and invested it into their own country. Most countries would have a healthy reserve of supplies and money to see them through most* diasters. *asteroids, biological, nuclear, or 2012 incidents not included. Most Western countries, yes I kind of agree. If instead of giving foreign aid we used the money at home we'd be creating a better life for ourselves/creating safeguards. But you'd also be condemning thousands in other countries to death and disease. For a start, most third world countries don't give aid so couldn't use this invisible budget to buffer themselves in case of disaster. I'd rather money be used to deal with disaster as and when they happen, as opposed to sitting in the pockets elsewhere "Just in case." I'm a big believer of money going to the places that'd save the most lives. To me, for example, if the US suddenly cancelled their foreign aid budget and put it all into education or healthcare (for example) - yes it would improve your quality of life in the US, but it would kill more people than it'd save. The idea of that is kind of abhorrent to me.
Menkala	Posted - 2010.08.13 01:14:00 - [110] Originally by: dethleffs fantastic thread. this must be the worst drivel ive seen yet on eve-o... I'm eagerly awaiting the mods response when they finally notice it.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.08.13 01:18:00 - [111] Shoot I just spilled my beer. I demand PLEX aid for this emergency. It's a disaster on my carpet atm. - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant
Riaqu	Posted - 2010.08.13 01:18:00 - [112] Originally by: Mitsune Konno lets not forget that they stole nuclear technology from us, are propped up by our government, and not-so-secretly harbor our enemies. Sleeping with the enemy, raising their kids, having our sons and daughters die at their hands. It really makes you want to give. Are you trying to confirm negative stereotypes about the US? If so, you are doing well. I will not argue with your astounding geopolitical analysis, but how about just this: the vast majority of the Pakistani victims will never have seen either an American or "an enemy of the US", will have had no role in Islamabad politics, and bears no responsibility for anything you mention. They are simply people getting on with their lives, and who have been struck with great tragedy and loss of life.
Kewso	Posted - 2010.08.13 01:21:00 - [113] they need a flood anyhow, course we should air lift soap over to help them...
Pesky LaRue Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards	Posted - 2010.08.13 01:25:00 - [114] Originally by: Riaqu Originally by: Mitsune Konno lets not forget that they stole nuclear technology from us, are propped up by our government, and not-so-secretly harbor our enemies. Sleeping with the enemy, raising their kids, having our sons and daughters die at their hands. It really makes you want to give. Are you trying to confirm negative stereotypes about the US? If so, you are doing well. I will not argue with your astounding geopolitical analysis, but how about just this: the vast majority of the Pakistani victims will never have seen either an American or "an enemy of the US", will have had no role in Islamabad politics, and bears no responsibility for anything you mention. They are simply people getting on with their lives, and who have been struck with great tragedy and loss of life. kinda like the folks in Wisconsin. blows your mind. .
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2010.08.13 01:27:00 - [115] Originally by: Riaqu Originally by: Mitsune Konno lets not forget that they stole nuclear technology from us, are propped up by our government, and not-so-secretly harbor our enemies. Sleeping with the enemy, raising their kids, having our sons and daughters die at their hands. It really makes you want to give. Are you trying to confirm negative stereotypes about the US? If so, you are doing well. I will not argue with your astounding geopolitical analysis, but how about just this: the vast majority of the Pakistani victims will never have seen either an American or "an enemy of the US", will have had no role in Islamabad politics, and bears no responsibility for anything you mention. They are simply people getting on with their lives, and who have been struck with great tragedy and loss of life. boohoo, more tears for the world!
Nvee	Posted - 2010.08.13 01:33:00 - [116] Basic fact: No one cares if black people are killed in massive numbers anywhere in the world. Only time this changes is with really small countries where people feel sorry for the "little guy" ( East Timor/Haiti) My personal hero is Robert Pierce who founded World Vision. Not because of the charity side of things, but its profitability plan is just...genius. They have a specialty in raising money across the world to "save" young african kids from starvation and death who then grow up and have kids of their own which then feed back into the marketing machine because now the next generation of children need saving.haha Now before especially you yanks get on your high horses about how wrong all that is, if you have not been to those country's and seen it all first hand and look around trying to see where the billions of dollars have gone then STFU. Charity is the best form of business because you can sell something you don't own in order to make capital that no one see's where it is spent! I love being rich and white :)
Riaqu	Posted - 2010.08.13 01:34:00 - [117] Originally by: Pesky LaRue kinda like the folks in Wisconsin. Indeed, and any decent human being should feel sorry for victims of such events. Unfortunately, the human suffering (vitcims, devastation...)in Pakistan is many, many times greater than in Wisconsin. Plus that it happened in country with far less capabilities to help the victims. See the difference?
Riaqu	Posted - 2010.08.13 01:43:00 - [118] Edited by: Riaqu on 13/08/2010 01:43:49 Originally by: Nvee Charity is the best form of business because you can sell something you don't own in order to make capital that no one see's where it is spent! I love being rich and white :) I sadly have to agree with this. International charity/aid is broken in many ways. I have seen the huge amounts of money wasted through corruption and poor management. But that doesn't negate the fact that there is a tremendous need for international cooperation to reduce poverty, malnutrition, etc. I'm just afraid to disuss it in a thread like this because people will use it to defend less involvement/money going to poorer regions, whereas what is really needed is a change in the way richer nations go about development cooperation.
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2010.08.13 02:07:00 - [119] Originally by: Riaqu Originally by: Pesky LaRue kinda like the folks in Wisconsin. Indeed, and any decent human being should feel sorry for victims of such events. Unfortunately, the human suffering (vitcims, devastation...)in Pakistan is many, many times greater than in Wisconsin. Plus that it happened in country with far less capabilities to help the victims. See the difference? You sound like one of those guys that hit on the wives/gf's of soldiers that are deployed overseas. Trying to be the caring, sensitive treehugger. But really, you're just horny and can't get any.
Riaqu	Posted - 2010.08.13 02:11:00 - [120] Originally by: Mitsune Konno You sound like one of those guys that hit on the wives/gf's of soldiers that are deployed overseas. Trying to be the caring, sensitive treehugger. But really, you're just horny and can't get any. Wow, uncanny. How did you find out?
Zaknussem Intrum Industria	Posted - 2010.08.13 02:12:00 - [121] So people are complaining about CCP not donating money, or not asking us to donate money to every disaster going on in the world? So...why not have CCP start a charity of their own? Not a charity event related to one particular disaster, but a charity organization that's constantly funded from within an on-line game. You could then donate to it at anytime via PLEX, and CCP will at regular intervals distribute the money where they think it's needed. It would also give the economy gurus at CCP something more to put into the QEN.
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2010.08.13 02:17:00 - [122] Originally by: Riaqu Originally by: Mitsune Konno You sound like one of those guys that hit on the wives/gf's of soldiers that are deployed overseas. Trying to be the caring, sensitive treehugger. But really, you're just horny and can't get any. Wow, uncanny. How did you find out? what can I say, I have a gift.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2010.08.13 02:24:00 - [123] Look at all the poasting by people from a third world country, living behind their Iron Curtain, wanting to bomb Australia because they have no clue where Iran is, going abroad to Florida because they're from California and not having won a single war ever, apart from the civil war and that's only because they were fighting themselves anyway. Natural disasters are a way by nature to curtain humanity? Guess where the perfect place is where nature can start, it's a place nobody would miss. And CCP: you're not only incompetent but also hypocrites. A Nothern American country matters more than some Middle Easter one? Disgusting.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.13 02:26:00 - [124] Originally by: Breaker77 Humans survived for thousands of years without electricity, cars, phones, grocery stores, or foreign aid bailouts. I'm pretty sure people that are willing to put forth a little effort will survive. Ignoring the fact that for 60 years or so the USA has been burning fossil fuels and pumping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere faster than any other country, which has led to such things like the apocalypse-like flooding that is hitting the country of Pakistan right now... and Hurricane Katrina... and, as directly as can be, the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. If your attitude of "our fault, your problem" is representative of your country then no wonder why so many people hate you, i sure would.
Bodrul Caldari Polaris Rising The Spire Collective	Posted - 2010.08.13 02:27:00 - [125] Originally by: Mitsune Konno quick show of hands, who donated more than a weeks pay to any sort of charity/humanitarian group? ie red cross/crescent, doctors w/o borders, etc. (Church doesn't count, unless they had a specific event that u donated separately for) shows hand, i donate when i can and have most likely given up a months wages over the year on Red Cross/Creasent and other charities ............ Researched BPO Lottery (Using Darkness+ Charibbas dice) ........
Sola Sola The Wretched.	Posted - 2010.08.13 02:28:00 - [126] Originally by: Ay'a I heard some kind sod was going to donate 74 ... oh wait nvm Pretty sure you just won this thread.
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2010.08.13 02:29:00 - [127] Edited by: Mitsune Konno on 13/08/2010 02:29:28 Originally by: ChaeDoc II Ignoring the fact that for 60 years or so the USA has been burning fossil fuels and pumping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere faster than any other country, which has led to such things like the apocalypse-like flooding that is hitting the country of Pakistan right now... and Hurricane Katrina... and, as directly as can be, the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. If your attitude of "our fault, your problem" is representative of your country then no wonder why so many people hate you, i sure would. China + Russia, totally not at fault for anything. Originally by: Bodrul Originally by: Mitsune Konno quick show of hands, who donated more than a weeks pay to any sort of charity/humanitarian group? ie red cross/crescent, doctors w/o borders, etc. (Church doesn't count, unless they had a specific event that u donated separately for) shows hand, i donate when i can and have most likely given up a months wages over the year on Red Cross/Creasent and other charities bless ya.
w0rmy Destructive Influence	Posted - 2010.08.13 02:29:00 - [128] 1/3 of their country is under water. If ever there was a need to donate to a cause, this is it! And yes, I have donated what I can afford, and will donate more in the future. Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Riaqu	Posted - 2010.08.13 02:30:00 - [129] Edited by: Riaqu on 13/08/2010 02:32:37 Originally by: Zaknussem So people are complaining about CCP not donating money, or not asking us to donate money to every disaster going on in the world? So...why not have CCP start a charity of their own? Not a charity event related to one particular disaster, but a charity organization that's constantly funded from within an on-line game. You could then donate to it at anytime via PLEX, and CCP will at regular intervals distribute the money where they think it's needed. It would also give the economy gurus at CCP something more to put into the QEN. +1 This could work quite well, with ingame ways of donating ISK. They could even set-up a dedicated NPC corporation.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards	Posted - 2010.08.13 02:34:00 - [130] Originally by: Riaqu Originally by: Pesky LaRue kinda like the folks in Wisconsin. Indeed, and any decent human being should feel sorry for victims of such events. Unfortunately, the human suffering (vitcims, devastation...)in Pakistan is many, many times greater than in Wisconsin. Plus that it happened in country with far less capabilities to help the victims. See the difference? I saw it all along, I was helping illustrate the point for the hard of thinking in this thread. .
KaarBaak Minmatar Hell's Librarians Imperium Directive	Posted - 2010.08.13 02:35:00 - [131] Originally by: ChaeDoc II If your attitude of "our fault, your problem" is representative of your country then no wonder why so many people hate you, i sure would. Bring it. Originally by: ChaeDoc II Edit: yes, there was a reason i emboldened that little passage from that person i quoted. It was to ask, put in the effort and stop killing our planet, would you please? Thanks, The World. [finger] =vinur allra manna MetaGaming
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2010.08.13 02:36:00 - [132] Originally by: Riaqu Edited by: Riaqu on 13/08/2010 02:32:37 Originally by: Zaknussem So people are complaining about CCP not donating money, or not asking us to donate money to every disaster going on in the world? So...why not have CCP start a charity of their own? Not a charity event related to one particular disaster, but a charity organization that's constantly funded from within an on-line game. You could then donate to it at anytime via PLEX, and CCP will at regular intervals distribute the money where they think it's needed. It would also give the economy gurus at CCP something more to put into the QEN. +1 This could work quite well, with ingame ways of donating ISK. They could even set-up a dedicated NPC corporation. probably, but then everyone would whine about which charity.
Riaqu	Posted - 2010.08.13 02:40:00 - [133] Originally by: Pesky LaRue I saw it all along, I was helping illustrate the point for the hard of thinking in this thread. Yes, I didn't want to imply otherwise, but rather emphasise your post. The "see the difference" wasn't aimed at you.
Riaqu	Posted - 2010.08.13 02:43:00 - [134] Originally by: Mitsune Konno probably, but then everyone would whine about which charity. My vote goes to any foundation that helps desperate treehuggers get laid.
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2010.08.13 02:47:00 - [135] Originally by: Riaqu Originally by: Mitsune Konno probably, but then everyone would whine about which charity. My vote goes to any foundation that helps desperate treehuggers get laid. Helping your own kind isn't surprising.
Awesome Possum Gallente Isk Relocation Services	Posted - 2010.08.13 03:06:00 - [136] Originally by: ChaeDoc II Edited by: ChaeDoc II on 13/08/2010 02:44:52 Edited by: ChaeDoc II on 13/08/2010 02:30:54 Originally by: Breaker77 Humans survived for thousands of years without electricity, cars, phones, grocery stores, or foreign aid bailouts. I'm pretty sure people that are willing to put forth a little effort will survive. Ignoring the fact that for 60 years or so the USA has been burning fossil fuels and pumping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere faster than any other country, which has led to such things like the apocalypse-like flooding that is hitting the country of Pakistan right now... and Hurricane Katrina... and, as directly as can be, the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. If your attitude of "our fault, your problem" is representative of your country then no wonder why so many people hate you, i sure would. Edit: yes, there was a reason i emboldened that little passage from that person i quoted. It was to ask, put in the effort and stop killing our planet, would you please? Thanks, The World. Edit II: I'm off now to go jump on top of La Palma, see how well the entire east coast of the US handles things without electricity, cars, phones, grocery stores, or foreign aid bailouts. And US citizens alone, privately, donate more towards foreign aid than other countries do... never mind what we donate as a nation. What country do you live in? I'd like to add it to the list of those we plan on invading next. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Frozean	Posted - 2010.08.13 03:07:00 - [137] sorry guys. i hate 3D girls, and any country that doesnt produce high quality 2D anime and doujin production doesnt deserve mah money
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.08.13 03:13:00 - [138] Originally by: Mitsune Konno quick show of hands, who donated more than a weeks pay to any sort of charity/humanitarian group? ie red cross/crescent, doctors w/o borders, etc. (Church doesn't count, unless they had a specific event that u donated separately for) /hand -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Kewso	Posted - 2010.08.13 03:15:00 - [139] Turbans give the camel jockeys magical powers... plus they wont get any donations you send.... don't worry air lift them some soap and new rags for their heads that's all they need, they refuse any other help.
Awesome Possum Gallente Isk Relocation Services	Posted - 2010.08.13 03:16:00 - [140] Originally by: Super Whopper Look at all the poasting by people from a third world country, living behind their Iron Curtain, wanting to bomb Australia because they have no clue where Iran is, going abroad to Florida because they're from California and not having won a single war ever, apart from the civil war and that's only because they were fighting themselves anyway. Feeding the troll! War for Independence (British surrendered, Treaty of Paris and Treaties of Versailles, acknowledged American independence) War of 1812 (call it a draw? We gained territory, whipped british ass on the seas, and won the battle of new orleans... victory US) Mexican-American War (Mexico surrendered) Civil War (Confederacy surrendered) Spanish-American War (Spain surrendered) Haiti isn't a northern american country you moron, as Haiti is not connected to north america. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.08.13 03:26:00 - [141] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 13/08/2010 03:28:29 Originally by: Breaker77 Thats why the entire program (food stamps) needs to go, and if people starve to death, well tough **! I've been paying rent (and supporting the rest of my family) since I was 12, and I would have almost certainly starved to death as a child - in the grand ole US of A. Thank you for your kind concern, ***. Originally by:** Breaker77 Those that are capable of surviving will do so. Those that are not, well, tough. Many of those who do not survive are not given sufficient opportunity to have survived. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.13 03:37:00 - [142] I love America Hate to the core of my being. Why? Because America is truly the melting pot and every country in the world is represented here. We have never done anything another country has not done. There is no scandal that is exclusive to America in concept. Hate all you want, it only proves that you would hate your own brother. This is clearly a signature.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.13 03:45:00 - [143] Originally by: Cipher Jones I love America Hate to the core of my being. Why? Because America is truly the melting pot and every country in the world is represented here. We have never done anything another country has not done. There is no scandal that is exclusive to America in concept. Hate all you want, it only proves that you would hate your own brother. Who's hating?
alittlebirdy	Posted - 2010.08.13 03:45:00 - [144] Originally by: Cipher Jones We have never done anything another country has not done. There is no scandal that is exclusive to America in concept. We dropped the big bomb haha... wait a sec... if we drop one on pakistan... it would fix everything!? Should blow all the water right outa the place and lol @ global warming idiots... ya buy into the money scam... planet gets hot... cold... hot... cold... hot...
Cataca	Posted - 2010.08.13 04:57:00 - [145] Originally by: Mitsune Konno Also, since you're so outraged, how much have you donated? It seems like every time the US is mentioned, everyone in the world jumps on board to bash it. Doesn't matter what the issue, **** the USA. Thats really only because you want it to seem that way. Really, if you act like the super cold hearted misanthrope first, obviously people are going to reply about that. So trust me, this probably has less to do with your nation, and more to do with you beeing an ass.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.08.13 05:15:00 - [146] Originally by: Akita T The Haiti thing was heavily reported all over the place, the reports of flooding in Pakistan, not so much... for instance, I heard about the Haiti earthquake mere hours after it happened, but I first heard about the flooding in Pakistan IN THIS THREAD. Guess you haven't heard of the Fallujah thing either then?... Anyway, the Haiti and Tsunami events were not really politically hot subjects, unlike the flooding. There we're touching upon stuff that really won't go down well with such a varied population as EvE has. CCP would be accused of everything from supporting US imperialistic masterplan to giving aid to the Taliban.
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2010.08.13 05:40:00 - [147] Originally by: Cataca Originally by: Mitsune Konno Also, since you're so outraged, how much have you donated? It seems like every time the US is mentioned, everyone in the world jumps on board to bash it. Doesn't matter what the issue, **** the USA. Thats really only because you want it to seem that way. Really, if you act like the super cold hearted misanthrope first, obviously people are going to reply about that. So trust me, this probably has less to do with your nation, and more to do with you beeing an ass. I'm an ass for not demanding everyone help the pakistanis? I suppose everyone that doesn't agree with you is an ass. How's the air up there, up on your high horse?
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2010.08.13 05:43:00 - [148] Pakistan is rich enough, they don't need more money. Their GDP is more than 100 billion US-$, they can afford a huge army and nuclear weapons. If their own government and executive is too corrupt and incompetent, to allocate the money for the sake of their own people, then it is a shame. Besides, it got revealed that more than 70% of the international aid during the last 30 years never reached the designated destination but somehow 'leaked' elsewhere and vanished. So, no. If you want to aid, go ahead, you are free to do so.
Voith	Posted - 2010.08.13 05:44:00 - [149] Originally by: Awesome Possum Originally by: Super Whopper Look at all the poasting by people from a third world country, living behind their Iron Curtain, wanting to bomb Australia because they have no clue where Iran is, going abroad to Florida because they're from California and not having won a single war ever, apart from the civil war and that's only because they were fighting themselves anyway. Feeding the troll! War for Independence (British surrendered, Treaty of Paris and Treaties of Versailles, acknowledged American independence) War of 1812 (call it a draw? We gained territory, whipped british ass on the seas, and won the battle of new orleans... victory US) Mexican-American War (Mexico surrendered) Civil War (Confederacy surrendered) Spanish-American War (Spain surrendered) Haiti isn't a northern american country you moron, as Haiti is not connected to north america. If it wasn't for France the US would have been crushed by Britain in the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812. The Revolutionary War was literally a "gang bang Brittan" war where about a half dozen countries decided to seize the day and get some territory. France trained and Armed the Colonials. The "War' of 1812 was just a skirmish in the Napoleonic wars. PS If you "win" a war, it generally doesn't involve your capital being burned to the ground. Britain attacked the US to keep them from joining Napoleon. They didn't care about much else. Anything north of Panama in the Western Hemisphere is considered North America. People still consider England part of the European continent even though it is an island. Needs more dumb Jingoism! I missed the Glenn Back comedy hour today.
xXThunder StruckXx	Posted - 2010.08.13 05:57:00 - [150] With the greatest of respect, my bathroom flooded last weekend, I received no financial input from either Pakistan nor CCP, nothing. So I stopped spending money on my personal nuke collection and savings fund for the worlds most wanted criminals hiding in my attic and hired a myself a plumber. Get over yourself OP.
Shinshi Casoyako	Posted - 2010.08.13 06:26:00 - [151] Originally by: Nadia Shah If you remember back to the Haiti earthquake CCP decided to run a PLEX for Haiti campaign, First time CCP ever decided to show a "humanitarian" face, Yet before that never decided to PLEX for Tsunami, Pakistan Earthquake, Hurricane Katrina, Or any other natural disaster. Now we have an even bigger natural disaster affecting 14 million people and CCP has done nothing, So my question here is, Why does CCP choose to raise funds for certain disasters but not others? What is the criteria for which CCP must do something to help? Is it that CCP only helps certain Nations? Races? Religions? Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game. Cant be arsed to read every page. But I seem to recall that I have donated through CCP for the tsunami/earthquake disaster. So in response to the original poster. Move allong nothing to see here. . Seriously Have I Not Said How I Can Assist Some One You Are Killing Online?
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2010.08.13 07:06:00 - [152] Originally by: alittlebirdy Okay so, wait, the USA exports food, we just stop OUR exports, and eat what we make... so ya I do not need to care still. You do know that US wheat is subsidised by the government and then sent to the IMF, WorldBank or WFP. From there it is sent to 3rd world stocks where it sits in warehouses until rotten, so that it counts on the right side of the balance sheet. The whole US wheat production industry is a complete scam.

CCP Applebabe	Posted - 2010.08.13 08:08:00 - [153] This thread has been cleaned up. Please refrain from discussing real life politics and keep your post on topic. Applebabe Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us

Lord Xantoh	Posted - 2010.08.13 08:20:00 - [154] Edited by: Lord Xantoh on 13/08/2010 08:21:54 Originally by: Nadia Shah bla di bla... Why does CCP choose to raise funds for certain disasters but not others? What is the criteria for which CCP must do something to help? Is it that CCP only helps certain Nations? Races? Religions? Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game. You have the power to initiate it yourself and to have a direct influence on the game's universe and your humanitarian ambition. It's very simple really: Dock in Jita 4-4, buy 74 plexes (maybe round it up to 100), undock and wait. See? It's not that hard and I am sure that CCP will support your effort. Thank you.
Cailais Amarr THE ORDAINED	Posted - 2010.08.13 08:27:00 - [155] Confirming CCP is the new UN. C/D? C. the hydrostatic capsule blog
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc	Posted - 2010.08.13 09:12:00 - [156] Edited by: Jint Hikaru on 13/08/2010 09:13:42 Originally by: Nadia Shah Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game. HAHAHA, OMG, really? restlennsess withing the game? What a Company or Individual gives to charity is a personal choice and none of your business. If you are so concerned, why dont you make a donation. I know a way you could free up an extra 15euros a month that you could send to charity. ------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------
yani dumyat Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate	Posted - 2010.08.13 09:18:00 - [157] The word hypocrisy is applicable to many charitable actions but not in the way the OP intended. Giving to one charity but not another is a choice that we all have to make, you can not give to every good cause. What is hypocritical however is a computer company organizing plex aid for Haiti while ignoring the Congo. The DRC is a huge source of coltan which is used to make microchips, by keeping the DRC in a permanent state of warfare we depress the price of microchips and companies like CCP get to profit from the fact that computers are cheap. The 1,500 people who've died in Pakistan are a small drop in the ocean of blood that pours out from Nigeria, Afghanistan, DRC, Sudan and other mineral rich countries. Bringing peace to these countries and allowing them control over their natural resources would lead directly to a rise in the cost of consumable goods. The voting population of any democratic country will get rid of a government who decrease the standard of living by letting the cost of computers and consumables rise, as such it is hypocritical for anyone who lives in a democracy to give money to charity because the worst humanitarian disasters are voted for and condoned by the populations of these countries. It seems to me that the least hypocritical thing CCP could do is donate plex money to projects associated with colonizing the moon or otherwise safeguarding the human race by getting the fek off this volatile ball of molten iron we call earth. _______ Trolls and Tribulations A story of eve, trolls, world domination and dogfighting against starlings in a tiny dramiel.
S3dINSTBE Filthy Scum Scum Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.13 09:29:00 - [158] Screw pakistan save the whales !!!
will munny	Posted - 2010.08.13 09:41:00 - [159] How much money have you or whatever company you work for donated to the victims of this disaster?[/gold] ^^ Need a good wash anyway, now is all nice and bright, sparkly, no DUST!
yani dumyat Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate	Posted - 2010.08.13 09:44:00 - [160] Originally by: S3dINSTBE Screw pakistan save the whales !!! That's exactly what we've been doing. You have in one small phrase summed up the western attitude very well. I did smile at your post but only to stop myself from crying. _______ Trolls and Tribulations A story of eve, trolls, world domination and dogfighting against starlings in a tiny dramiel.
Captain Pompous Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It	Posted - 2010.08.13 09:49:00 - [161] Originally by: CCP Applebabe This thread has been cleaned up. Please refrain from discussing real life politics and keep your post on topic. Wrong. Try doing your job better, ok? You removed the discussion of RL politics, but you leave in quasi-racist comments like this: Originally by: Kewso like we'd even want to buy plex's for them we could donate used towels for their heads though thats about it --- ☻♥ Problem? Therapy sessions ♥☻
Valkaarie Caldari	Posted - 2010.08.13 10:21:00 - [162] Why the hell should people think that CCP have to help with every disaster that happens in the world CCP is a Computer game company not a Humanitarian Relief organisation. World Disasters are not gonna stop they will keep on happening in the future its the sad truth but you cant expect CCP to commit resources every time somthing happens its not there bag leave that to the Countrys own Goverment,UN,Charity's Etc....
will munny	Posted - 2010.08.13 10:25:00 - [163] Yep, that's what that useless bunch at the UN are for...running everything like a piece of ****...expect no help from that herd of cattle. I have noticed that those that breed like flies tendto die like flies.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb Focused Intentions	Posted - 2010.08.13 10:25:00 - [164] Some people chose to give to a charity whom they feel is in need. Those people tend not to then give to every other charity going regardless of how big or small. Every year there are thousands of natural disasters and crises around the world - CCP could not reasonably donate to all of them.
Cebraio	Posted - 2010.08.13 11:00:00 - [165] Originally by: CCP Applebabe This thread has been cleaned up. Please refrain from discussing real life politics and keep your post on topic. Noooooo, all the epic rage is gone! You killed the best drunk flame discussion I ever had with a troll. Sad panda PS: Don't take this as discussion of moderation. I wouldn't do that.
Ariane VoxDei	Posted - 2010.08.13 11:04:00 - [166] Originally by: alittlebirdy Who really cares IMHO plex for hati should not have happened. THIS! It gives [selvsencored] like the OP a platform, or to use the words of CCP poster, this is why we can't have nice stuff. Prove yourself weak enough to give to one beggar/gypsy/whatever and soon there is a spineless immoral swarm in your face and ppl like the op getting up your nose with demands & trying to push guilttrips. Thread lock requested.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.08.13 11:11:00 - [167] Originally by: alittlebirdy That would be tens of billions (about 28bill in 08) OP is Personal attack removed.Applebabe as already shown how can you plex for something when the item does not exist? Who really cares IMHO plex for hati should not have happened. Aint no one giving me free money, let these damn people either make it on their own or die. Stop having 10 kids and then we can talk. No on in the game cares. You should go visit Haiti, you might change your mind. And before you accuse me of stupid ****, I am Haitian-American and have been to Haiti many, many times.
Captain Pompous Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It	Posted - 2010.08.13 11:21:00 - [168] Originally by: Sader Rykane You should go visit Haiti, you might change your mind. And before you accuse me of stupid ***, I am Haitian-American and have been to Haiti many, many times. Are you Wyclef Jean? [/humour] Anyway, what I really, really, really* don't like about this thread is the number of borderline racist comments that the OP has drawn. --- ☻♥ Problem? Therapy sessions ♥☻
Peter XZ	Posted - 2010.08.13 11:27:00 - [169] Dear OP As you can see from the above replies, this is NOT the place to look for sympathy for Floods victims. Perusing the above posts, you can deduce that a very significant number of Eve players are simply self-centred and are too busy playing video games and letting life pass them by, to care about millions dying, as long as they're not one of the millions LOLOLOL So please OP , don't look for pity here , have a nice day
Cataca	Posted - 2010.08.13 12:41:00 - [170] Originally by: CCP Applebabe This thread has been cleaned up. Please refrain from discussing real life politics and keep your post on topic. Please tell me that was some rant, or a joke or something. Cause removing everything BUT the racist comments really doesnt make you look too good. But hey, allmost like an official response there.
Sethir Khemthos	Posted - 2010.08.13 12:50:00 - [171] Originally by: Nadia Shah If you remember back to the Haiti earthquake CCP decided to run a PLEX for Haiti campaign, First time CCP ever decided to show a "humanitarian" face, Yet before that never decided to PLEX for Tsunami, Pakistan Earthquake, Hurricane Katrina, Or any other natural disaster. How much have YOU donated to help above mentioned disasters?
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.08.13 12:55:00 - [172] Haiti is a veeeeeeeery poor country. Pakistan has nukes. Now you tell me, if a country has money for nukes, it has money to help its own people.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.13 13:04:00 - [173] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 13/08/2010 13:05:16 Originally by: Atticus Fynch Haiti is a veeeeeeeery poor country. Pakistan has nukes. Now you tell me, if a country has money for nukes, it has money to help its own people. The nuke is something like 60-70 years old. Could probably buy one from Russia for a couple months pay at this point. Would be some good times getting that through customs. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Kara Sharalien Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.08.13 13:04:00 - [174] BTW, incase this hasn't been pointed out, a hypocrite is a person who pretends to have beliefs they don't have. CCP never said they cared about the Pakistani situation, so its not hypocritical to fail to set up a plex drive. Originally by: Thuul'Khalat WHY YOU VIOLENCE MY BOAT?!
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2010.08.13 14:05:00 - [175] Originally by: Captain Pompous Originally by: CCP Applebabe This thread has been cleaned up. Please refrain from discussing real life politics and keep your post on topic. Wrong. Try doing your job better, ok? You removed the discussion of RL politics, but you leave in quasi-racist comments like this: Originally by: Kewso like we'd even want to buy plex's for them we could donate used towels for their heads though thats about it How jaded are you that you find racism in free towels.
Steve Celeste Overdogs HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.08.13 14:12:00 - [176] Edited by: Steve Celeste on 13/08/2010 14:15:01 I thought that Pakis had experience with flooding a country.
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.08.13 14:14:00 - [177] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 13/08/2010 13:05:16 Originally by: Atticus Fynch Haiti is a veeeeeeeery poor country. Pakistan has nukes. Now you tell me, if a country has money for nukes, it has money to help its own people. The nuke is something like 60-70 years old. Could probably buy one from Russia for a couple months pay at this point. Would be some good times getting that through customs. It doesn't work that way. Nukes have to be continually tested, maintenance and upgraded. You don't just store a nuke and forget it.
Shawna Gray Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.13 14:22:00 - [178] If you read this thread you can easily understand why there is no big campaigns to help pakistan. Just about everyone is getting really tired of people from that part of the world.
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2010.08.13 14:32:00 - [179] Edited by: BrundleMeth on 13/08/2010 14:36:46 Originally by: Nadia Shah Originally by: Thuranni Originally by: Nadia Shah Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game. There is no restlessness in the game over this issue, noone cares, stop pretending to speak for anyone but yourself. If you dont care then why are you trolling? Also looks like your the one speaking for everyone when you say "noone cares", what you meant to say is you dont care which is fine by me but why you posting here. Take a look at the entire world. NO ONE CARES. That is why the UN started begging (whining) for countries to start donating. The fact that CCP doesn't do something has nothing to do with Hypocrasy. Then can choose to support what they want. And the fact is there is NO restlessness within the game, your post is the first one I've seen. All the survivors will end up doing is piling into a boat and floating to some other country to beg for hand outs. And as one other poster said this is the las place to look for sympathy. People are here for fun...
Zia Aiz	Posted - 2010.08.13 14:51:00 - [180] Edited by: Zia Aiz on 13/08/2010 14:52:18 I highly encourage any company that wants to donate some money to a good cause. But lets face it, the word is full of people that need money, CCP isn't a charity case. CCP has put in effort in the Haiti thing and we can't keep expecting CCP to donate to everything that happens in the world. To respond to the plex changes: While CCP idea of making people able to move plex around obviously makes CCP more money, it's not like they force you to risk undocking with plexes or force you to convert real money into plex in the first place. Like everything in this game, it's a risk vs reward, CCP has been making money off people doing dumb things in the game ever since they made you able to convert real money into isk. It's not like CCP has 10 mill active accounts, i do think CCP needs it money to be able to do what the players ask them to do (see CSM). I say CCP keeps it's money to employ more people so the game gets improved faster & it's good for the economy as well (wich is also a disaster for some countries).
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2010.08.13 14:51:00 - [181] Originally by: BrundleMeth Take a look at the entire world. NO ONE CARES. Except all those countries like the US, UK, Canada, Japan, the EC who have donated money, supplies and workers, NGOs like the Red Cross, millions of private individuals and even and private corporations like Coke(!) who are donating and offering assistance. Yeah, clearly NO ONE (other than the millions of us who care) CARES. Put another way, speak for yourself. If you don't care that's one thing but don't tar the rest of us with that brush. Originally by: Shawna Gray Just about everyone is getting really tired of people from that part of the world. And again, speak for yourself.
Yabus	Posted - 2010.08.13 14:57:00 - [182] Originally by: Nadia Shah Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game. What in the hell are you talking about? Anyway I'll just speak for myself when I say I'm glad Pakistan is flooding. Now they might start taking baths instead of just cleaning the poop off of their asses with their left hands and calling it a day.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.13 14:58:00 - [183] Originally by: Atticus Fynch It doesn't work that way. Nukes have to be continually tested, maintenance and upgraded. You don't just store a nuke and forget it. They also say not to worry about the many nukes which have sunk below the sea. Or the fallout from poorly concieved high atmosphere nuclear tests. Or the uranium which powers most satellites, which will shower isotopes over the Earth when they burn up on reentry. The idea they're being responsible with the technology is something of a myth. There's literally tens of thousands of nukes which have just been laying around in various states of disrepair in the US and Russia since the cold war. Unless someone comes out and finally proves to the world there's a link between all this and thyroid cancer, which was extremely rare before the first nuclear tests in Trinity Nevada, and first started appearing downwind from there after, and in increasing numbers year after year, you can expect this relaxed attitude to continue. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
cheet sheet	Posted - 2010.08.13 15:07:00 - [184] Originally by: Jint Hikaru Edited by: Jint Hikaru on 13/08/2010 09:13:42 Originally by: Nadia Shah Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game. HAHAHA, OMG, really? restlennsess withing the game? What a Company or Individual gives to charity is a personal choice and none of your business. If you are so concerned, why dont you make a donation. I know a way you could free up an extra 15euros a month that you could send to charity. THIS
Graelyn Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.08.13 15:10:00 - [185] I do have something to say to the OP, and it's not political in any way. You're a stupid t*** and I think punching you in the face would give me a woodie. Fly Safe! -------
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.08.13 15:42:00 - [186] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 13/08/2010 15:16:43 Originally by: Atticus Fynch It doesn't work that way. Nukes have to be continually tested, maintenance and upgraded. You don't just store a nuke and forget it. They also say not to worry about the many nukes which have sunk below the sea. Or the fallout from poorly concieved high atmosphere and deep ocean nuclear tests. Or the uranium which powers most satellites, which will shower isotopes over the Earth when they burn up on reentry. The idea they're being responsible with the technology is something of a myth. There's literally tens of thousands of nukes which have just been laying around in various states of disrepair in the US and Russia since the cold war. Unless someone comes out and finally proves to the world there's a link between all this and the meteoric rise of cancers, like thyriod for example, which was extremely rare before the first nuclear tests in Trinity Nevada, and started appearing downwind from there after, and in increasing numbers over wider ranges year after year, you can expect this relaxed attitude to continue. Please tell me you're trolling and not actually this igno- Oh wait, it's you. Carry on. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Captain Pompous Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It	Posted - 2010.08.13 15:45:00 - [187] Originally by: Steve Celeste Edited by: Steve Celeste on 13/08/2010 14:15:01 I thought that Pakis had experience with flooding a country. You racist, I have reported your post and hope you get banned --- ☻♥ Problem? Therapy sessions ♥☻
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.13 15:51:00 - [188] Originally by: Malcanis Please tell me you're trolling and not actually this igno- Oh wait, it's you. Carry on. Sorry for shattering your world view there, Pollyanna. There must be something good on TV for you to watch instead. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.

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Cebraio	Posted - 2010.08.13 16:04:00 - [190] Originally by: Shawna Gray If you read this thread you can easily understand why there is no big campaigns to help pakistan. Just about everyone is getting really tired of people from that part of the world. Appointing yourself as spokeswoman for the whole world, huh? Originally by: Zia Aiz I highly encourage any company that wants to donate some money to a good cause. But lets face it, the word is full of people that need money, CCP isn't a charity case. CCP has put in effort in the Haiti thing and we can't keep expecting CCP to donate to everything that happens in the world. CCP hasn't donated. We have.
Vogue Skynet Nexus	Posted - 2010.08.13 16:14:00 - [191] Well Pakistan has spent a fortune on a nuclear weapon program. To counter India's nuclear weapon program. This is typical military calculus for a state. A strong state to protect its citizens. This overides providing simpler help to citizens such as electricity, water, schools and hospitals. If you are killed in a way that also affronts the country your from then politicians will make you a martyr, rally and swear revenge. If you are killed in another innocuous way such as been run over. Then you will get attention from only your immediate social circle and family. Strange world eh. .................................................. Cylon cultural victor!
Alpheias	Posted - 2010.08.13 16:21:00 - [192] In school I learned that our race (humankind) are called homo sapiens. Then I learned that this planet, Earth, is divided by borders which make up most of the nations in the world. And then I learned about religions - another word for people who desire to have answers but didn't have any, so they invented some based on their need. Natural Selection > Humanitarianism
Flap jak Fleetworks The Spire Collective	Posted - 2010.08.13 16:22:00 - [193] Originally by: Rpeg Edited by: Rpeg on 12/08/2010 23:29:11 EVERYONE SHUT UP . no. __
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2010.08.13 16:24:00 - [194] It's all politics, I opt for the 'let die' option in this case. Cold hard yes but forum censorship won't let me get into specifics so i'll just chalk it down to not supporting people supporting an unhumanitarian regime. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Ressiv Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association	Posted - 2010.08.13 16:29:00 - [195] Edited by: Ressiv on 13/08/2010 16:28:55 Originally by: Nadia Shah blah blah Confirming I dont give a ** about what CCP does about this. In the end, it's now what CCP did, it's what I did to help where I could. Now stop pointing 3 fingers at yourself and 1 at CCP and spend your time on something usefull actualy helping the situation you care about so much. ... unless offcourse you just used another angle to and moan about CCP, in which case you should have your lips replaced by your ***, so we know you are talking ** from the start. ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ==========================
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.08.13 16:30:00 - [196] maybe Pakistan is more able to handle this. remember Haiti is 100% poor. Pakistan is like Beverly Hills compared to Haiti.(the difference is that if a Natural Disaster destroyed Beverly Hills we would not have to care because they are all rich)
Richard Christy	Posted - 2010.08.13 16:45:00 - [197] Originally by: Ariane VoxDei [selvsencored] This might be my new favourite word.
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2010.08.13 16:51:00 - [198] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Edited by: Catherine Frasier on 13/08/2010 15:06:52 Originally by: BrundleMeth Take a look at the entire world. NO ONE CARES. Except all those countries like the US, UK, Canada, Japan, the EC who have donated money, supplies and workers, NGOs like the Red Cross, millions of private individuals and even private corporations like Coke(!) who are donating and offering assistance. Yeah, clearly NO ONE (other than the millions of us who care) CARES. Put another way, speak for yourself. If you don't care that's one thing but don't tar the rest of us with that brush. Originally by: Shawna Gray Just about everyone is getting really tired of people from that part of the world. And again, speak for yourself. NO !!! NO ONE CARES... The paltry sums given by the people you mention is just a meaningless feel good amount to ease peoples minds. Compared to the amount given to other things, this is nothing. And as I said, the UN is still whining for more...
Cebraio	Posted - 2010.08.13 16:55:00 - [199] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker maybe Pakistan is more able to handle this. remember Haiti is 100% poor. Pakistan is like Beverly Hills compared to Haiti.(the difference is that if a Natural Disaster destroyed Beverly Hills we would not have to care because they are all rich) To add some numbers to your claims: Haiti GDP (nominal p.c.) 2009 estimate (after the earthquake): $733 Pakistan GDP (nominal p.c.) 2010 estimate (before the flooding): $1067 USA GDP (nominal p.c.) 2009 estimate: $46.381 Doesn't look that rich to me. Especially compared to Beverly Hills. All numbers from Wikipedia.
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.08.13 19:27:00 - [200] Originally by: Nadia Shah If you remember back to the Haiti earthquake CCP decided to run a PLEX for Haiti campaign, First time CCP ever decided to show a "humanitarian" face, Yet before that never decided to PLEX for Tsunami, Pakistan Earthquake, Hurricane Katrina, Or any other natural disaster. Now we have an even bigger natural disaster affecting 14 million people and CCP has done nothing, So my question here is, Why does CCP choose to raise funds for certain disasters but not others? What is the criteria for which CCP must do something to help? Is it that CCP only helps certain Nations? Races? Religions? Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game. Because CCP is secretly controlled by the NWO, who secretly caused the flood to secretly wipe out Al-Qaida? Duuh.
Eyam Eohkeay	Posted - 2010.08.13 19:54:00 - [201] I don't subscribe to these helping by donation ideers most of the time. There are fundamental problems with it. Namely, 1) Sometimes helping isn't helping: Sometimes you can unknowingly crush the livelyhood of citizens in target country, IE donating a bunch of clothes... I heard a sad story once about a group shipping boatloads of clothing to help a country, and by doing so, put a large part of the population out of work as their products couldn't compete with free. 2) Accountability, expenses, administration - where do the funds go? When you donate money to a company or organization, it not only gets held up in the pipes for ages, a lot of it 'disappears' amidst the various expenses and things involved. If you want to help, either physically donate your services, OR find a group of people who are organizing a trip or something and help fund their project somehow. Or donate to an organization that clearly defines how much of your money is going where.
Vogue Skynet Nexus	Posted - 2010.08.13 20:01:00 - [202] Charity is best done to organisations that spend the money directly on projects like water, electricity, schools, hospitals. Giving money to countries as charity is a waste of time. They will spend it on a fleet of new Mercedes limosines. On militery, etc. The USA does give countries like Pakistan money. Its to keep them onside. Though the USA once told them follow our policies or we bomb you back to the stone age. .................................................. Cylon cultural victor!
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.08.13 23:49:00 - [203] Originally by: Danton Marcellus but forum censorship won't let me get into specifics. Censorship? What censorship? /looks to the left /looks to the right Wait. I remember Pesky made me laugh in this thread I want to see those posts again Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Jerreie	Posted - 2010.08.14 00:13:00 - [204] Edited by: Jerreie on 14/08/2010 00:14:44 Because philanthropy is ************ (edit: auto-eroticism). You do it to make yourself feel better. You pretend to care, others pretend to believe you care and round and round it goes. It's the world's biggest circle jerk. I don't care about people starving, dying, losing their homes and families, being oppressed or tortured. But I care even less about how much you want other people to know that you do. So go away.
adfadfadfawe	Posted - 2010.08.14 02:34:00 - [205] This is why we can't have nice things.
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.08.14 10:18:00 - [206] Originally by: Jerreie Edited by: Jerreie on 14/08/2010 00:14:44 Because philanthropy is ********** (edit: auto-eroticism). You do it to make yourself feel better. You pretend to care, others pretend to believe you care and round and round it goes. It's the world's biggest circle jerk. I don't care about people starving, dying, losing their homes and families, being oppressed or tortured. But I care even less about how much you want other people to know that you do. So go away. Actually i do it to make others feel better. I don't get anything out of it, and I couldn't care any less what others think of me. Opinions are like *****s, everyone has one.
Ressiv Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association	Posted - 2010.08.14 11:03:00 - [207] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Actually i do it to make others feel better. I don't get anything out of it, and I couldn't care any less what others think of me. Opinions are like *******s, everyone has one. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you dont. Each and every action you take is geared towards just 2 emotions: love and fear, or a bit more practical in this case, their derivatives pleasure and pain. Each and every action you take is either geared towards obtaining pleasure, or avoiding pain. If you like it or not, your subcounsious did use these two in order to support your decision. So whetter consious about it or not, you either did it to feel good about yourself, or to not feel lousy about yourself. (... and everybody thinks anyone elses stinks) ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ==========================
MSC Darklord Minmatar Shadow Company	Posted - 2010.08.14 11:03:00 - [208] If a major disaster strikes and the eyes of the world turn that way and people want to help, and by proxy gain something (good PR) does it cheapen the help? Does it somehow make the help worse? Another major disaster strikes, but the eyes of the world are turned elsewhere, sure, many see it but not everyone. Is it wrong for the people who did help the last time and perhaps saved countless people not to send aid this time? Does this make the previous assistance look like an evil ploy that the people used to further their own agenda? I have helped some charities, I have donated to improve peoples lives slightly when that same money might have bought someone else meals for a week. Does this make me a bad person? Sometimes I donate because I have extra money and it might mean I buy one less six pack etc this month. Sometimes I have donated to look good in front of my friends. Is the latter donation any less helpful than the previous one? At least ccp did help by allowing players to give plex to one cause. Maybe this thread will prompt them to start another plex aid program. Anyway, I hope the people in Pakistan will be safe and won't suffer. I will not be donating to this cause personally since I can't afford it. __________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers. Said after a 60 second shut down notice that was then canceled.
dr doooo	Posted - 2010.08.14 11:15:00 - [209] Edited by: dr doooo on 14/08/2010 11:16:54 Why the tsunami and Haiti, but not Pakistan etc etc? Because westerners go on holiday to the seaside, and the USA and Iceland at least are well aware earthquakes can happen to them and people like them. Monsoon floods? Na - that's just a Johnny Foreigner problem, and everyone knows Johnny Foreigner isn't quite human in the same way we are. They don't suffer pain, hunger or anguish for lost loved ones like we do, they're used to it. It's probably their own lazy feckless fault anyway.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.15 02:12:00 - [210] It's ironic that some people are saying Pakistan dont deserve help because they apparently support terrorism. I find it ironic because when terrorists blow up a bus with children on it and try to justify it by saying their country dessecrates their holy land... or something, while the western world wonders "what did these kids ever do to deserve this?". Kids are dying in Pakistan and you dont think they are worth helping because you believe Pakistan support terrorism. So, what have those kids ever done to support terrorism? Hypocrisy, it exists everywhere.
Rikeka Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Iberians.	Posted - 2010.08.15 21:43:00 - [211] The OP is a douche, trying to troll/bait everyone cause his Badger was ganked in Jita, and he not getting reimbursed, or something... CCP, why was he not banned yet? Some clarification is needed on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game. --------------------------
Rikeka Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Iberians.	Posted - 2010.08.15 21:50:00 - [212] And no one cares about Pakistan, and their neighbors, cause it's not a huge blow to humanity, nor close enough for us to care. Sad, but true. We associate them to terrorists, maybe unfairly, but not totally wrong. They ask for help, expect it, but they would not lift a finger to help the rest of the world; nor can/want to get rid of their extremists... Of course, is a problem of their leaders, not their people. But, if help is sent to them, condition it to better future results against terrorism, and to pallate the country's social problems. --------------------------
Scoundrelus The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2010.08.16 04:31:00 - [213] I don't see it being racially or nationally motivated really I mean what is the connection between CCP and Haiti? Maybe they are in the process of organizing it. At the end of the day CCP is not obligated to help anyone but themselves and anything they do other than that is above the call of duty. Also helping out with every natural disaster in this naturally disastrous world sets a dangerous precedent that CCP will donate every time there is a natural disaster as illustrated by this thread.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.08.16 04:53:00 - [214] Originally by: Rikeka And no one cares about Pakistan, and their neighbors, cause it's not a huge blow to humanity, nor close enough for us to care. Sad, but true. We associate them to terrorists, maybe unfairly, but not totally wrong. They ask for help, expect it, but they would not lift a finger to help the rest of the world; nor can/want to get rid of their extremists... Of course, is a problem of their leaders, not their people. But, if help is sent to them, condition it to better future results against terrorism, and to pallate the country's social problems. wow, you know nothing and are completely wrong on every single thing you posted. brav-o --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Rikeka Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Iberians.	Posted - 2010.08.16 05:03:00 - [215] Edited by: Rikeka on 16/08/2010 05:05:44 Imagine that in tomorrow's paper, big headlines "Big meteorite crushes Pakistan, everyone there presumed dead", you'd be worried and actually sad it happened? No. I'm at least being honest about it. Most people would be indifferent. If that actually happened, I totally see myself thinking "Well... with some luck [insert randon bad guy name here]* was there too and died"*. Again, nothing personal against Pakistan. Hell, I'd prefer meteorites over a dozen countries before Pakistan. :D Let's also not exagerate the size of the flood problem. Very few dead, even less than Katrina. Haiti, and other recent problems were much bigger in comparison. --------------------------
Scoundrelus The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2010.08.16 06:14:00 - [216] Originally by: Rikeka Let's also not exagerate the size of the flood problem. Very few dead, even less than Katrina. Haiti, and other recent problems were much bigger in comparison. There was a discussion on the news about comments exactly like this one. While it may SEEM that the situation is less dire than Haiti or Katrina it is quite the opposite. A flood kills slowly while earthquakes kill quickly, many died in the drowning but many more will die from the Cholera outbreak due to the flooding, and even more from the starvation and homelessness. All politics aside its sad when anyone in the world has to go through this because at the end of the day we're all humans simply divided by our languages, our appearance, and lines on a map.
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.08.16 07:36:00 - [217] Originally by: ChaeDoc II Kids are dying in Pakistan and you dont think they are worth helping because you believe Pakistan support terrorism. So, what have those kids ever done to support terrorism? Hypocrisy, it exists everywhere. News Flash: Kids are dying everywhere. Sad fact of life.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.16 08:51:00 - [218] It's also a sad fact of life that people think that's a good reason to do nothing.
Fumitsugu	Posted - 2010.08.16 09:52:00 - [219] Originally by: ChaeDoc II It's also a sad fact of life that people think that's a good reason to do nothing. Correct. Originally by: Rikeka Again, nothing personal against Pakistan. Hell, I'd prefer meteorites over a dozen countries before Pakistan. :D Your style of writing leads me to believe you're about 15 and from America. Am I close? Originally by: Rikeka Let's also not exagerate the size of the flood problem. Very few dead, even less than Katrina. Haiti, and other recent problems were much bigger in comparison. So what, we shouldn't help them? Seeing as the US prides itself on being champion of the free world, shouldn't they give a hand? The least they could do during this difficult time is to stop performing illegal cross border assaults with their drones and shooting up civilians.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.16 09:57:00 - [220] Originally by: Fumitsugu So what, we shouldn't help them? Seeing as the US prides itself on being champion of the free world, shouldn't they give a hand? We can't, every time we try they blow it off with IEDs Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.08.16 15:52:00 - [221] Originally by: Intense Thinker Originally by: Fumitsugu So what, we shouldn't help them? Seeing as the US prides itself on being champion of the free world, shouldn't they give a hand? We can't, every time we try they blow it off with IEDs It'd be well invested deaths, going in with armed relief like in Somalia but Pakistan won't allow it. Co-incidently for those saying Pakistan never does anything for the world, Pakistan was one of the largest contributors to the UN Somalia operation, as depicted in Black Hawk Down. Delenda est achura.
Ressiv Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association	Posted - 2010.08.16 17:07:00 - [222] Originally by: Rikeka Let's also not exagerate the size of the flood problem. Very few dead, even less than Katrina. Haiti, and other recent problems were much bigger in comparison. Your so full of fail ... ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ==========================
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.08.16 18:45:00 - [223] I cant help but think that if I were in their dire situation that perhaps Allah is trying to tell me something.
Ressiv Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association	Posted - 2010.08.16 19:55:00 - [224] Originally by: Atticus Fynch I cant help but think that if I were in their dire situation that perhaps Allah is trying to tell me something. Why is that ? Do you have imaginary friends you talk to which is causing you to think something like that ? ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ==========================
Rikeka Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Iberians.	Posted - 2010.08.16 20:18:00 - [225] Edited by: Rikeka on 16/08/2010 20:19:50 Originally by: Fumitsugu Your style of writing leads me to believe you're about 15 and from America. Am I close? Originally by: Rikeka Let's also not exagerate the size of the flood problem. Very few dead, even less than Katrina. Haiti, and other recent problems were much bigger in comparison. So what, we shouldn't help them? Seeing as the US prides itself on being champion of the free world, shouldn't they give a hand? The least they could do during this difficult time is to stop performing illegal cross border assaults with their drones and shooting up civilians. Not even close. I'm close to 30, and I'm not american. English is not my 1st language, so excuse me on that regard. And I'm not saying we shoudn't help them. I'm saying we don't care. Again, I'm being honest. I simply don't. And without knowing you, I can say you don't care as well. We seem to have different meaning to the word "care" here... as in, you'll help Pakistan? You'll take a plane, go to Pakistan, and you'll build some hospital tents, you will pitch in and send a few tons of food... Oh, wait. I've done all those things in Haiti, and even helped loading planes to the Katrina disaster area. See? But, hey, if people feel better by donating 10 bucks on their local mini-mart to the Pakistan cause, kudos to you all. All this things aside... Let's try to be honest. How the news of the flood affected you? You couldn't sleep, you couldn't eat, you just couldn't function without first trying to help in whatever way you could? Of course not. We, maybe something in the human psyche, simply don't care till it affect us personally. --------------------------
Awesome Possum Gallente Isk Relocation Services	Posted - 2010.08.16 22:43:00 - [226] The world is over crowded, 6.7billion and rising. I'm thankful for every war and natural disaster that lessons the number of people using my oil up. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Scoundrelus The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2010.08.16 22:54:00 - [227] Originally by: Intense Thinker Originally by: Fumitsugu So what, we shouldn't help them? Seeing as the US prides itself on being champion of the free world, shouldn't they give a hand? We can't, every time we try they blow it off with IEDs Let's hope those IED's blow off the *****es of the superior officers raping women in Iraq. Don't believe me? There is a US marine who wrote a book on it. All hail the US and their "helping hands". That'll show Iraq for hiding American oil under their soil.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.16 23:44:00 - [228] Originally by: Rikeka Let's also not exagerate the size of the flood problem. Very few dead, even less than Katrina. Haiti, and other recent problems were much bigger in comparison. Tell me you're not suggesting we let a couple hudred thousand people die before we consider helping them. Heiti was an earthquake, those people (vast majority of) died within minutes. These people in Pakistan aren't survivors of an earthquake, they're not even survivors of the flooding yet, many won't be, they're trying to stay alive and have no clean drinking water and nothing to eat. It'll take them 3 or 4 days to die assuming they dont drink dirty water, a bit longer if they do and then they'll be dying from the **** that's in the water. We can help them, that's why we should send what we can. We shouldn't not help them just because the numbers of dead aren't sexy enough yet.
dr doooo	Posted - 2010.08.17 00:05:00 - [229] Edited by: dr doooo on 17/08/2010 00:05:53 Originally by: dr doooo Edited by: dr doooo on 14/08/2010 11:16:54 Why the tsunami and Haiti, but not Pakistan etc etc? Because westerners go on holiday to the seaside, and the USA and Iceland at least are well aware earthquakes can happen to them and people like them. Monsoon floods? Na - that's just a Johnny Foreigner problem, and everyone knows Johnny Foreigner isn't quite human in the same way we are. They don't suffer pain, hunger or anguish for lost loved ones like we do, they're used to it. It's probably their own lazy feckless fault anyway. Oooh sh*t. I think Rikeka may have missed my irony and may have been prompted to post. (note to self - never underestimate the stupidity and suggestibility on those who drag their knuckles on the ground)
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.08.17 00:29:00 - [230] Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: Intense Thinker Originally by: Fumitsugu So what, we shouldn't help them? Seeing as the US prides itself on being champion of the free world, shouldn't they give a hand? We can't, every time we try they blow it off with IEDs Let's hope those IED's blow off the *****es of the superior officers raping women in Iraq. Don't believe me? There is a US marine who wrote a book on it. All hail the US and their "helping hands". That'll show Iraq for hiding American oil under their soil. What?! There are rotten eggs in MY MARINES? UNPOSSIBLE, THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE IS CLEARLY PERFECT. Also, a small but likely enlightening bit of information for you, just because someone writes a book doesn't mean that what's in the book is a true story.
Rikeka Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Iberians.	Posted - 2010.08.17 00:51:00 - [231] Originally by: ChaeDoc II Tell me you're not suggesting we let a couple hudred thousand people die before we consider helping them. Heiti was an earthquake, those people (vast majority of) died within minutes. These people in Pakistan aren't survivors of an earthquake, they're not even survivors of the flooding yet, many won't be, they're trying to stay alive and have no clean drinking water and nothing to eat. It'll take them 3 or 4 days to die assuming they dont drink dirty water, a bit longer if they do and then they'll be dying from the ** that's in the water. We can help them, that's why we should send what we can. We shouldn't not help them just because the numbers of dead aren't sexy enough yet. As I said, help them as much as you can. That's good. All I'm saying is that people just don't care**, unless it happens close, or they have family there. Or by any chance, the disaster is extremely big, and you kinda want to help. Again, we all seem to have a different definition of the words "help" and "care". To some here donate 10 more bucks to UNICEF is enough help. I can do that too. Easy. That means I care enough now? No matter what you do, it will happen again. The pakistani govt will again take no measures to reinforce the river banks, nor prepare proper emergency plans, nor educate it's citizens. And this comes from personal experience, the value of life is completely different on that part of the world. Don't take it personal. But people just don't care about those countries/regions so far away. --------------------------
Rikeka Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Iberians.	Posted - 2010.08.17 00:53:00 - [232] Originally by: dr doooo Edited by: dr doooo on 17/08/2010 00:05:53 Originally by: dr doooo Edited by: dr doooo on 14/08/2010 11:16:54 Why the tsunami and Haiti, but not Pakistan etc etc? Because westerners go on holiday to the seaside, and the USA and Iceland at least are well aware earthquakes can happen to them and people like them. Monsoon floods? Na - that's just a Johnny Foreigner problem, and everyone knows Johnny Foreigner isn't quite human in the same way we are. They don't suffer pain, hunger or anguish for lost loved ones like we do, they're used to it. It's probably their own lazy feckless fault anyway. Oooh sht. I think Rikeka may have missed my irony and may have been prompted to post. (note to self - never underestimate the stupidity and suggestibility on those who drag their knuckles on the ground) Fixed your quote*. You were even talking to me? I didn't even notice your post, nor it was you who prompted to post, noob. --------------------------
Scoundrelus The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2010.08.17 03:19:00 - [233] Originally by: So Sensational Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: Intense Thinker Originally by: Fumitsugu So what, we shouldn't help them? Seeing as the US prides itself on being champion of the free world, shouldn't they give a hand? We can't, every time we try they blow it off with IEDs Let's hope those IED's blow off the ***es of the superior officers raping women in Iraq. Don't believe me? There is a US marine who wrote a book on it. All hail the US and their "helping hands". That'll show Iraq for hiding American oil under their soil. What?! There are rotten eggs in MY MARINES? UNPOSSIBLE, THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE IS CLEARLY PERFECT. Also, a small but likely enlightening bit of information for you, just because someone writes a book doesn't mean that what's in the book is a true story. I could flip that statement and say "just because someone writes a book doesn't mean that what's in the book is fiction". I'm an objective and logical person who has been immersed in politics for 15 years now so I've learned that the world is full of lies but in knowing that I've also learned to glean the truth from the scraps of information thrown at our feet. The writing of this book coupled with the fact that the US government arrested 5 marines under charges of and murder along with this case indicating how even more soldiers in Iraq are being charged with the ** of girls it really kind of makes me think that maybe JUST MAYBE that Marine may have written the book out of more than self-interest.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.17 03:28:00 - [234] And the Burmese government didn't arrest any of it's soldiers for probably 100's of ****s that occurred yesterday. In fact, medals were probably awarded to those soldiers... so what's your point? Bottom line is it's a combat zone, after a while the morality in people changes Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
Scoundrelus The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2010.08.17 03:31:00 - [235] Originally by: Intense Thinker And the Burmese government didn't arrest any of it's soldiers for probably 100's of ****s that occurred yesterday. In fact, medals were probably awarded to those soldiers... so what's your point? Bottom line is it's a combat zone, after a while the morality in people changes You're right, I guess it's ok then.
LuZhi	Posted - 2010.08.17 04:53:00 - [236] Originally by: Nadia Shah Why does CCP choose to raise funds for certain disasters but not others? What is the criteria for which CCP must do something to help? Is it that CCP only helps certain Nations? Races? Religions? It's called freedom. Freedom to choose or associate with the causes you wish. People generally make their own judgments on the charities or causes they support. The criteria used is their business, and choosing one cause over another is commonsense given that everyone has limited resources. No one has the time or resources to raise funds for every disaster that comes along. You don't agree with how they handle charity? If you have a little to spare or your own business then you can make good on your convictions. That's why thousands of charities and causes exist and why none of us know any one or any business that patronize all of them. Claiming it's hypocritical because someone only gives their charitable devotion to only certain kinds of suffering is ludicrous.
Rikeka Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Iberians.	Posted - 2010.08.17 14:43:00 - [237] The OP was a obvious troll, ignore that guy. --------------------------
Planks Unjustified Ancients of MuMu	Posted - 2010.08.17 19:29:00 - [238] Man OOPE is cold. OK so the floods are happening too far away from most of you to affect you personally in the same way as coalition soldiers are dieing too far away from home to affect you. But some of the comments here are just plain nasty. Try to forget you are commenting from behind your anonymous avatars and regain a sense of humanity, please.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.08.17 23:23:00 - [239] Originally by: Planks Man OOPE is cold. OK so the floods are happening too far away from most of you to affect you personally in the same way as coalition soldiers are dieing too far away from home to affect you. But some of the comments here are just plain nasty. Try to forget you are commenting from behind your anonymous avatars and regain a sense of humanity, please. They took my humanity out back and stoned it. Delenda est achura.
Darius Brinn	Posted - 2010.08.18 06:30:00 - [240] Edited by: Darius Brinn on 18/08/2010 06:32:03 Originally by: Nadia Shah If you remember back to the Haiti earthquake CCP decided to run a PLEX for Haiti campaign, First time CCP ever decided to show a "humanitarian" face, Yet before that never decided to PLEX for Tsunami, Pakistan Earthquake, Hurricane Katrina, Or any other natural disaster. Now we have an even bigger natural disaster affecting 14 million people and CCP has done nothing, So my question here is, Why does CCP choose to raise funds for certain disasters but not others? What is the criteria for which CCP must do something to help? Is it that CCP only helps certain Nations? Races? Religions? Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game. Here, let me clarify it for you. Pakistan death toll so far: about 2.000 people. Haiti death toll: more than 250.000 people. Pakistan disaster scope: about 1/5th of the country affected, not including the destruction of Islamabad. Haiti: infrastructures utterly devastated. Nothing stands. Capital hit hard, with 90 ****ing percent of the homes brought down. No government capabilities left at all. Communications (even cellphones) not operational. More Haiti goodness: educational system completely shut down. No school at all for anybody. All in all, I think that while the Pakistan floods are a crippling disaster, it's still far from what happened to Haiti. Pakistan will suffer a tremendous economical blow in the immediate future...but Haiti was absolutely destroyed in all senses. I mean, the government is operating from a Police office near the airport. It's like Los Angeles in that crappy Kurt Russel sequel.
Spacelasers	Posted - 2010.08.18 09:16:00 - [241] I really do not get why CCP didn't invent a time machine to have plex donations in 04-05
will munny	Posted - 2010.08.18 09:43:00 - [242] Originally by: Atticus Fynch I cant help but think that if I were in their dire situation that perhaps Allah is trying to tell me something. this had me Lolling! 'Nuf said.
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2010.08.18 12:05:00 - [243] Originally by: Planks Man OOPE is cold. OK so the floods are happening too far away from most of you to affect you personally in the same way as coalition soldiers are dieing too far away from home to affect you. But some of the comments here are just plain nasty. Try to forget you are commenting from behind your anonymous avatars and regain a sense of humanity, please. In real life there are people who know my name and where I live. I have told them too "I don't care". That's just the way it is...
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.18 16:04:00 - [244] Originally by: BrundleMeth Originally by: Planks Man OOPE is cold. OK so the floods are happening too far away from most of you to affect you personally in the same way as coalition soldiers are dieing too far away from home to affect you. But some of the comments here are just plain nasty. Try to forget you are commenting from behind your anonymous avatars and regain a sense of humanity, please. In real life there are people who know my name and where I live. I have told them too "I don't care". That's just the way it is... No one objects to you not caring. We object to you going out of your way to tell us that. As if you're proud, or something. Or simply want to court an arguement.
TimMc Brutal Deliverance Art of Defiance	Posted - 2010.08.18 16:30:00 - [245] Stop complaining and donate your own damn money like everyone else.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.08.18 17:16:00 - [246] Originally by: ChaeDoc II Originally by: BrundleMeth Originally by: Planks Man OOPE is cold. OK so the floods are happening too far away from most of you to affect you personally in the same way as coalition soldiers are dieing too far away from home to affect you. But some of the comments here are just plain nasty. Try to forget you are commenting from behind your anonymous avatars and regain a sense of humanity, please. In real life there are people who know my name and where I live. I have told them too "I don't care". That's just the way it is... No one objects to you not caring. We object to you going out of your way to tell us that. As if you're proud, or something. Or simply want to court an arguement. How is it any more out of his way than the self-righteous OP who wants to shame CCP for donating to charity and not to all of them. No-one is happy with the world on their shoulders, do what you can in your community and try to minimize harm in others. As a closing note I'd like to mention that the Indus valley is very fertile and support a large population, the double edge of that is that that larger population are made to suffer when the river gets too much, or is it the population around it? Delenda est achura.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.18 18:19:00 - [247] It's not any more out of his way, but then the OP's a prick too. :)
Vogue Skynet Nexus	Posted - 2010.08.18 19:51:00 - [248] Edited by: Vogue on 18/08/2010 19:53:20 What can really help those who live in poverty is Microcredit->microloans. Loaning someone a small amount for us - say $30 can make a huge difference to someone caught living on a few dollars a month. With a microloan they could buy some tools\implements that would allow them to fabricate cloths, pottery, tools, etc that give them an income to elevate themselves. Where this has been done in a legitimate no scamming way, for example in Bangladesh. It has made a real difference to poor communities. Microcredit .................................................. Cylon cultural victor!
Charles Murphy	Posted - 2010.08.20 01:42:00 - [249] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Nadia Shah If you remember back to the Haiti earthquake CCP decided to run a PLEX for Haiti campaign, First time CCP ever decided to show a "humanitarian" face, Yet before that never decided to PLEX for Tsunami 2004 Quote: Pakistan Earthquake 2005 Quote: Hurricane Katrina 2005 àand PLEXes were introduced late 2008. So that's your explanation right there. Quote: Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game. Since said restlessness has little to no bearing on CCP's humanitarian effortsà ànah. CCP did nothing for Hurricane Katrina. They made a big thing about the Tsunami during that time period.
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2010.08.24 16:42:00 - [250] Originally by: ChaeDoc II Originally by: BrundleMeth Originally by: Planks Man OOPE is cold. OK so the floods are happening too far away from most of you to affect you personally in the same way as coalition soldiers are dieing too far away from home to affect you. But some of the comments here are just plain nasty. Try to forget you are commenting from behind your anonymous avatars and regain a sense of humanity, please. In real life there are people who know my name and where I live. I have told them too "I don't care". That's just the way it is... No one objects to you not caring. We object to you going out of your way to tell us that. As if you're proud, or something. Or simply want to court an arguement. You are missing the point of my post. It was directed completely to the person who said that we are hiding behind the anonimity of the Internet. And typing a few lins of text isn't "going out of my way" since that is what we do in internet forums...
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.08.24 18:32:00 - [251] Give to one aid program, or two or whatever, you will always end up not giving to someone else equally deserving.
El Tuco Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.08 07:11:00 - [252] Another fine example of typical Moslem hypersensitivity.
Kephael Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.09.08 18:56:00 - [253] Quit trying to get CCP to drive up the cost of my PLEX cards. Some of us need them to stay in the game.
RiskyFrisky Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.09.08 20:49:00 - [254] Edited by: RiskyFrisky on 08/09/2010 20:49:40 /me believes you shouldn't give money to foreign nations. Not your nation, not your problem. Unless your allies of course. _ Ohh hai, I saw you like to kill people, so I brought starcakes.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.09.15 19:42:00 - [255] So... HAPPY NOW ?!? (devblog) _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _

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