Just a quick question, do you still need Industry V to learn Mining Barges?

As an aspiring Miner those 5 days for a useless skill (at least for me at this point) are a pain in the... you know what :)

Thank you very much for your whine, but that was not an answer ;)

If you don-¦t like something in a game, switch to another professsion that suits you more, i welcome the changes. Just play what you like doing.

Back to my question does anyone knows if you need Industry V for the Minng Barges skill?

Please do not answer to a simple question with "I do not know, but this patch sucks anyway!" :/

Hey folks, thanks for the feedback, here are some answers for you.

• WILL THE NEW ORE BAY ON MINING BARGES SHOW UP ON SCAN OR DROP ORE WHEN THE SHIP IS DESTROYED? That question is still being investigated and will be tackled when we get to the actual mining barge balancing.

"they are counting a set of crystals already loaded in the strips.
also crystals are 15m3 and 25m3 for t1 and t2 respectively."



So the size of the mining crystals are now different ? Cause currently on Tranq they are 30m3 and 50 m3]

"they are counting a set of crystals already loaded in the strips.
also crystals are 15m3 and 25m3 for t1 and t2 respectively."



So the size of the mining crystals are now different ? Cause currently on Tranq they are 30m3 and 50 m3]

As someone with 10 indy alts I approve of these changes, it eventually puts risk reward in balance for mining.

The hulk is now only a viable option if you are in a mining fleet, including scouts in surrounding systems to watch for ganking fleets. Forcing collaboration is good!

The mackinaw is going to be my choice for ICE mining fleets as I can go AFK for 40 mins without any worries. Also it is more resiliant should a couple of dessies come along and take pot shots.

The skiff will be my choice for fleets should anything like Hulkageddon occur in the future making it an expensive task to destroy my mining fleet.

See this all makes a lot of sense to me for mining in highsec, my crystals are in my orca anyway. I don't see what all the whining is about, in null and wspace its probably better to use something with more HP anyway or you are going to have scouts in neibouring systems so you can use an orca on grid with hulks.

Great changes all in all.

As someone who has a fleet of maxed out hulks and mackiaws (all implants) and someone with a maxed out Rorqural pilot, (did we forget T2 links) - I can tell you the number of m3 of ore and cubes of ice is wrong.

A completely skilled, maxed out mackinaw pilot produces 90 blocks per hour, and a hulk pilot maxed 202k m3 per hour. It scares me that if rolled out as planned, this is going to reduce yields and is being called an improvement.

One thing that maybe I missed is that the blog mentioned fitting rigs to increase yield, can anyone speak to this?

the only way i managed to get 73 blocks from a hulk was with orca bonuses, not rorq bonuses, and no implant, 2x mlus, rig, and t2 harvesters, with ice harvesting V

unless this is what ccp was using, it reeks of potential nerf.

The problem is the Hulk with low EHP won't be a viable choice for high sec fleets. To survive in high sec the Hulk will need to have substantial EHP to make the thought of ganking not worth the required loss of isk. Sure it might be great for null space or WH where the defending fleet can intercept attackers before they do damage, but in high sec the only survival option for a hulk will be to try and run. How does that make sense?

Will existing hulks get their rig's "refunded"? I'm sure I'm not the only one that invested in T2 cargo rigs for my hulk that are now worthless so I'm hoping they will be de-equipped so I can sell or re-purpose them.

I think you mean mackinaw, just for the sake of clarity, my numbers were ore for hulk, ice for mackinaw.

I'm also a bit puzzled by these 'yield rigs' -is this something that I just missed, because Im not aware of anything like that in game, and Im hyper-aware of mining stuff.

I'm guessing when they ran their numbers they forgot T2 mining links in the rorq. I'm just concerned this is actually going to decrease yield, can anyone from CCP confirm? I can post exact numbers for cycle time and yield per cycle (and login toons) if that would help

I too want to know this.

Regarding your Rorqual Comment, this will change too, since in the CSM minutes has been stated at page 133 Offgrid boosts will get removed, so i'm pretty sure will Rorqual Offgrid boost getting affected by this removal in the Future too, meants the Rorqal will have to be in the belt or somewhere on the Gridd in INDUCORE Mode to give maximum Boost.......Lets see how this will went if this change hits TQ as well.

Sincerly

Carola Kessler

"they are counting a set of crystals already loaded in the strips.
also crystals are 15m3 and 25m3 for t1 and t2 respectively."

So the size of the mining crystals are now different ? Cause currently on Tranq they are 30m3 and 50 m3]

I don't see anything that says calibration/rig slots are being changed, so no, you wont get any rigs refunded because your ship is still perfectly capable of fitting said rigs. The only time CCP would do something like that is if they were say reducing the calibration amount and your rig loadout wouldn't be possible with the new stat, just because something is no longer optimal because of changes made isn't their problem, your response is just going to be "HTFU and move on".

Can we get a CCP comment about on-grid/off grid boosting as well.

You simply cannot put a rorq into siege mode in a belt with the current setup - if this is done, will be the biggest nerf for 0.0 miners ever seen. If they did do this, you'd have to completely change the cycle time, and add boosts to tank - like a dread, to have it make any type of sense.

I've been so focused upon mining crystals and cargo size that I more or less ignored the EHP numbers. The dev blog already tells me what the EHP values are going to be. Does anyone have comparable numbers for what they are now?