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Tric Starless
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:02:00 -
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Is this a typo? : "Skiff and Retriever are getting hit points comparable to a battleship"
Because the EHP chart doesn't match up... Think you meant Skiff and Procurer? |
Callic Veratar
Power of the Phoenix
249
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:03:00 -
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olan2005 wrote:good work but could u at least increae the cargo hold in the hulk for the following reason . Hulks are designed by this for group op as such will chew through at least 3 types of diffrent ore so u want to be able to switch crystal sets for that . SO A hulk should be able to hold 12 crystals or 4 sets of crystals for these ops
350m3 / 25m3 per mining crystal = 14 crystals - 1 for swap space |
Desmont McCallock
201
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:04:00 -
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olan2005 wrote:good work but could u at least increae the cargo hold in the hulk for the following reason . Hulks are designed by this for group op as such will chew through at least 3 types of diffrent ore so u want to be able to switch crystal sets for that . SO A hulk should be able to hold 12 crystals or 4 sets of crystals for these ops Read the blog again.
CCP Tallest wrote:The reduction of the cargo holds does have an unfortunate side effect for miners; there is much less space for mining crystals. We alleviated this slightly by cutting the volume of mining crystals in half, but it is now something that miners have to plan for before they go mining. |
Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
913
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:07:00 -
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IB4 Chribba
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Desmont McCallock
201
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:08:00 -
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Droxlyn wrote:The ore hold on the Hulk on Sisi is at 7500. Is there a planned boost or is there an error in the dev blog? Read the blog again.CCP Tallest wrote:Again, the numbers assume perfect skills, implants and fleet bonuses. |
Droxlyn
TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate
103
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:08:00 -
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BTW, you cannot fit a packaged shuttle in any of the new ship's cargo holds. They are 500 m3 packaged. Could the holds be at least this big so you can pack your return ride? |
Ogogov
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
25
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:09:00 -
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Quote:All the barges are getting their tanks adjusted to favor shields rather than structure hit points
Meanwhile, Gallente combat ships still favor structure hit points. HURRRRRRR. |
Droxlyn
TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate
103
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:10:00 -
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Desmont McCallock wrote:Droxlyn wrote:The ore hold on the Hulk on Sisi is at 7500. Is there a planned boost or is there an error in the dev blog? Read the blog again. CCP Tallest wrote:Again, the numbers assume perfect skills, implants and fleet bonuses.
There is no skill or item modifier for the Ore hold on the Hulk. It is a flat value that everybody gets. Please inspect your glasses. (Also, I do have perfect skills.) |
Tantabobo
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:11:00 -
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Matthew Toomb wrote:Can you guys please think this through just a little bit before you finalize? Those of us noobie idiots who've spent months training for Hulks only to have them downgraded to a piddly craptastic support miner- I assume we'll be ISKompensated for the hundreds of millions of $$ we've spent on our soon to be useless ships correct?
Oh, and will this "uber" retriever at least get a third strip slot? Or just a bloated cargobay?
Glad I manufacture retrievers with an original BPO though, the price is about to go WAY up.
Please explain how the Hulk is now craptastic? It is the best mining barge (in terms of yield/hr) it just now requires jetcan mining or support. (Both of which were used anyway if you cared about yield/hr). So what exactly changed that is making you so unhappy?
--Tanta |
Captain Megadeath
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:18:00 -
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Matthew Toomb wrote: Those of us noobie idiots who've spent months training for Hulks only to have them downgraded to a piddly craptastic support miner- I assume we'll be ISKompensated for the hundreds of millions of $$ we've spent on our soon to be useless ships correct?
how about NO ya big frickin ejit.
The skills you learned to use the hulk benefit the Mack as well. Simple thing to do is that YOU sell your hulk now and buy a Mack while the prices are still low(ish).
No-one was compensated after the "Nanonerf", so miners shouldn't either. And I say that AS a miner.
Or you could, you know, actually interact with people here, afterall it is an multiplayer game, not a single player one. |
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Jack bubu
GK inc. Pandemic Legion
355
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:19:00 -
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Tantabobo wrote:Matthew Toomb wrote:Can you guys please think this through just a little bit before you finalize? Those of us noobie idiots who've spent months training for Hulks only to have them downgraded to a piddly craptastic support miner- I assume we'll be ISKompensated for the hundreds of millions of $$ we've spent on our soon to be useless ships correct?
Oh, and will this "uber" retriever at least get a third strip slot? Or just a bloated cargobay?
Glad I manufacture retrievers with an original BPO though, the price is about to go WAY up. Please explain how the Hulk is now craptastic? It is the best mining barge (in terms of yield/hr) it just now requires jetcan mining or support. (Both of which were used anyway if you cared about yield/hr). So what exactly changed that is making you so unhappy? I will agree that the change to how many crystals you can hold is a tad annoying (especially for the largely solo jetcan miner) but it is merely an annoyance not something that will greatly impact your normal mining routine. --Tanta he cant go afk in it anymore ofcourse |
Celebris Nexterra
Lowsec Static
47
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:23:00 -
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Dibs on using a baiting/scouting Procurer for my next fleet roam
Also IB4C! |
Qual
Infinity Engine
14
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:23:00 -
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Matthew Toomb wrote:Can you guys please think this through just a little bit before you finalize? Those of us noobie idiots who've spent months training for Hulks only to have them downgraded to a piddly craptastic support miner- I assume we'll be ISKompensated for the hundreds of millions of $$ we've spent on our soon to be useless ships correct?
Oh, and will this "uber" retriever at least get a third strip slot? Or just a bloated cargobay?
Glad I manufacture retrievers with an original BPO though, the price is about to go WAY up.
You want some cheese with that whine?
Seriously, did you even read the numbers in the blog? All your questions is answered in there. Hulk is still the king of mining yield, its just not as thick skinned as it used to be.
And the lower tiers get some love as well. Those getting hit the hardest are the Macinaw ice miners, as thier ship is no longer king of its former profession. |
Droxlyn
TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate
103
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:26:00 -
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As far as crystals go, when I used to mine in normal belts, I would bookmark 2 or 3 optimal spots that would get 1/2 or 1/3 or more of the asteroids in the belt. This would mean that I would place a secure container at these points and stash extra crystals in those. So, newbies mine into GSC for more space. Vets stash crystals in GSC for variety. |
Kaori Ohara
Babylon Knights Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:33:00 -
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for Skiff and Mackinaw, the extra HP seems not bad, but using little, I will not speak too much about them. where I am skeptical, it is on the lower shield resistance bonus; the Skiff or mackinaw it should not be too annoying, but the hulk despite the use of teamwork, it may become truly "break up" because it will be even harder to keep a bad arrival of NPC of 0.0, something that hurt, a real player who cares, even with the bonus of 7.5% they kill us very fast, really fast, so this is the game and that's how I like it |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
889
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:39:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:I am glad the idiot tank on the hulk was removed Huh? Given the way I tank my Hulk, it will now have an improved EHP. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Jaques D'Builder
Redbull Advanced Technologies
0
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:40:00 -
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So I suppose the question is. Does the ore go to the ore hold after the mining cycle completes, or do you have to manually move it from the cargo to the ore hold.
If you have to move it, this will drive mineral prices up because AFK miners will be nonexistent. |
Tantabobo
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:44:00 -
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Jaques D'Builder wrote:So I suppose the question is. Does the ore go to the ore hold after the mining cycle completes, or do you have to manually move it from the cargo to the ore hold.
If you have to move it, this will drive mineral prices up because AFK miners will be nonexistent.
Given that the cargohold of these ships is now smaller than the weakest strips yield, it would be logical to assume that it goes directly into the ore hold.
--Tanta |
Elijah Craig
Trask Industries Li3 Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:45:00 -
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Jaques D'Builder wrote:So I suppose the question is. Does the ore go to the ore hold after the mining cycle completes, or do you have to manually move it from the cargo to the ore hold.
If you have to move it, this will drive mineral prices up because AFK miners will be nonexistent. It's an ore hold. Ore goes in it. Because it's for the ore. The ore goes in there. |
Tantabobo
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:46:00 -
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Jack bubu wrote:Tantabobo wrote:Matthew Toomb wrote:Can you guys please think this through just a little bit before you finalize? Those of us noobie idiots who've spent months training for Hulks only to have them downgraded to a piddly craptastic support miner- I assume we'll be ISKompensated for the hundreds of millions of $$ we've spent on our soon to be useless ships correct?
Oh, and will this "uber" retriever at least get a third strip slot? Or just a bloated cargobay?
Glad I manufacture retrievers with an original BPO though, the price is about to go WAY up. Please explain how the Hulk is now craptastic? It is the best mining barge (in terms of yield/hr) it just now requires jetcan mining or support. (Both of which were used anyway if you cared about yield/hr). So what exactly changed that is making you so unhappy? I will agree that the change to how many crystals you can hold is a tad annoying (especially for the largely solo jetcan miner) but it is merely an annoyance not something that will greatly impact your normal mining routine. --Tanta he cant go afk in it anymore ofcourse
Good point, I had not thought of that. I take it all back, this is a horrible change. What are all of the noobie idiots suppose to do now that their hulk can no longer afk mine for them.
--Tanta |
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Jaques D'Builder
Redbull Advanced Technologies
0
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:51:00 -
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Elijah Craig wrote:Jaques D'Builder wrote:So I suppose the question is. Does the ore go to the ore hold after the mining cycle completes, or do you have to manually move it from the cargo to the ore hold.
If you have to move it, this will drive mineral prices up because AFK miners will be nonexistent. It's an ore hold. Ore goes in it. Because it's for the ore. The ore goes in there.
Hey fail troll. Remember the orca? If you use mining drones, it goes t to the cargo and you have to move it to the Ore hold.
It's better to be silent and be thought an idiot than to say something and remove all doubt.
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Droxlyn
TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate
104
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:53:00 -
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BTW, to fit a 10MN afterburner, you won't be doing any mining. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
889
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:54:00 -
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Jaques D'Builder wrote:Elijah Craig wrote:Jaques D'Builder wrote:So I suppose the question is. Does the ore go to the ore hold after the mining cycle completes, or do you have to manually move it from the cargo to the ore hold.
If you have to move it, this will drive mineral prices up because AFK miners will be nonexistent. It's an ore hold. Ore goes in it. Because it's for the ore. The ore goes in there. Hey fail troll. Remember the orca? If you use mining drones, it goes to the cargo and you have to move it to the Ore hold. It's better to be silent and be thought an idiot than to say something and remove all doubt. Also, thanks Tanta. Trolling aside, on Sisi it goes into the ore hold. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Fade Toblack
Per.ly The 20 Minuters
25
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:56:00 -
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All the ELITE miners, that are so elite that they can't work it out are making me lol lots.
Matthew Toomb wrote:Those of us noobie idiots who've spent months training for Hulks
Maybe CCP should be taking skill points away - after all you now have *3* options for mining, and your existing skills will bonus any/all of those three hulls! You're obviously getting an unfair advantage from the revamp.
Matthew Toomb wrote:our soon to be useless ships correct?
Yeah pity the Hulk is now completly incapable of mining, and you're being forced to switch to a T1 BS with mining lazors.
Jaques D'Builder wrote:because AFK miners will be nonexistent.
Yeah they're all going to rage-quit the game, because they're not clever enough to realise that if you want to afk mine you can afk for *even longer* in a Mackinaw. |
Vanessa Vansen
Cybermana
43
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:59:00 -
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what is still missing?
Change ice harvester II to 60tf and 12 MW
Then you'll be able to just swap out the mining gear when changing from ore/mercoxit to ice mining. |
Jaques D'Builder
Redbull Advanced Technologies
0
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Posted - 2012.08.03 20:00:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Jaques D'Builder wrote:Elijah Craig wrote:Jaques D'Builder wrote:So I suppose the question is. Does the ore go to the ore hold after the mining cycle completes, or do you have to manually move it from the cargo to the ore hold.
If you have to move it, this will drive mineral prices up because AFK miners will be nonexistent. It's an ore hold. Ore goes in it. Because it's for the ore. The ore goes in there. Hey fail troll. Remember the orca? If you use mining drones, it goes to the cargo and you have to move it to the Ore hold. It's better to be silent and be thought an idiot than to say something and remove all doubt. Also, thanks Tanta. Trolling aside, on Sisi it goes into the ore hold.
Thank you very much. You are a true gentleman.
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Vrykolakasis
Trinity Operations Aurora Irae
42
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Posted - 2012.08.03 20:02:00 -
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I'm hardly a miner, and it might be far from worth the effort, but a dedicated ORE gas miner would be cool. |
Sho Menao
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.08.03 20:02:00 -
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Am I the only one noticing a 15% reduction in max ore and merc mining and a 20% reduction in max ice mining from current absolute maximums. Mining buff is actually a stealth nerf. \o/ |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
1743
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Posted - 2012.08.03 20:03:00 -
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As a member of the pirate community, I highly support this course of action. I would additionally request that you consider a large ore bay miner for use in truly hostile areas (low sec and WH space comes to mind) that is agile and somewhat fast.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Jake Rivers
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
91
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Posted - 2012.08.03 20:04:00 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:Happy Mining Day :3
We alleviated this slightly by cutting the volume of mining crystals in half, but it is now something that miners have to plan for before they go mining.
Plan to redock numerous times over a mining session.
Not exactly happy mining. Senex Legio - Recruiter Team Member
CCP reduce the mining crystal to 1m3, or give me a good reason why they have to be so large. |
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