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Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:29:00 -
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Pilna Vcelka wrote:Alpheias wrote:So much delicious anger! I just can't wait for you to be super-butthurt over a change to carebearing, something that you have never seen before whilst carebearing, something like a real challenge.
Your tears will be absolutely divine, like a fine, fine wine running down your cheeks into the river of LOL. That has happened before and there were no tears. Because EVE PvP is not worth any tears, because its just plain dumb. Fights are decided before they even start and for a newbie with no veteran back-up, the outcome is always the same. I never risk anything I would regret losing and the few times I got caught, I just stood there waitign for my ship to explode and my pod pop, ignoring the incoming convos telling me how terribad I am and the values of ransoms I should pay and following hatemails telling me how I suck for carebearing and you know what? It seems it made them PvP sl*ts even more angry and depressed because I didnt really give a **** about their F1 pewpew. Thats where I win EVE, a newbie in an npc corp who will be gradually more and more catered to. Thats where all of you bitter vets lose, spilling tears of nostalgy and praying for a "hardcore uber evil video game" which wiill never work if made for profit. Boo-hoo! well said.
I love how the most of the carebears are smarter than the so called "pvpers" in this game. Real pvpers play other games. |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:31:00 -
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Give me your stuff before you leave.
Seriously though, get over it. People play games as ENTERTAINMENT, something FUN to do. Not to get griefed. Not to spend all their life trying to be the better PvP'er with a hit of the damn F1 key. Not to be an addict to a piece of entertainment.
What? I should play something else then? No. I want to play a science fiction game, and people like YOU aren't going to ruin it for ME. The wallet of the care bears has spoken. Deal with it. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1639
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:33:00 -
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BearJews wrote:Can someone explain to me why a sandbox game (as many claim) is supposed to be just PVP? My understanding is Eve plays out according to how you want to play it, not how someone else wants your experience to be.
That's why I come back, that's why I enjoy the game. Sure you can influence my image of the game, but I will do my best to enjoy it how I want to play. To me that is exactly what a Sandbox should be.
When someone says, well Eve was meant to be played X type of way, that instantly means crying.
"kicking down sandcastles" EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1639
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:34:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Give me your stuff before you leave.
Seriously though, get over it. People play games as ENTERTAINMENT, something FUN to do. Not to get griefed. What? I should play something else then? No. I want to play a science fiction game, and people like YOU aren't going to ruin it for me. The wallet of the carebears has spoken. Deal with it.
if your idea of "fun" is watching your mining lasers hit a rock, well, have fun EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1639
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:35:00 -
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"how will this PvP-centric game ever survive time like it has for 9 years" EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:36:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Anslo wrote:Give me your stuff before you leave.
Seriously though, get over it. People play games as ENTERTAINMENT, something FUN to do. Not to get griefed. What? I should play something else then? No. I want to play a science fiction game, and people like YOU aren't going to ruin it for me. The wallet of the carebears has spoken. Deal with it. if your idea of "fun" is watching your mining lasers hit a rock, well, have fun
>implying anyone who doesn't PvP mines.
Like I said before, get over it. If I want to explore low sec with probes, go into wormholes, engage in industry or trade in lowsec, or even rat or do missions to relax, I shouldn't have to deal with griefers all the time. I play this science fiction game for FUN, not life. |

Tarassse
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:37:00 -
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Mors Sanctitatis wrote:When I was a new player, Eve was incredibly lethal. Jump into a .4, get your face blown off. Rinse, repeat. Your life span was usually dictated by how long you could hold your cloak at a gate. This part of the game was what kept me coming back for more. Extreme risk, extreme danger, extreme loss if you make a mistake.
So, losing your gate cloak was a mistake, thus resulting in your absolute death? Seems fun, indeed! 
Quote:I play this science fiction game for FUN, not life.
This. |

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
610
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:40:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:NEWBREED FAILTHEMEPARKERS UNITE!!!! (It's OK, EVE is "safe" for you now.)
Fixed.
Next!
Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8922
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:46:00 -
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BearJews wrote:Can someone explain to me why a sandbox game (as many claim) is supposed to be just PVP? Because it comes inherent with being a multiplayer sandbox.
GǣSandboxGǥ doesn't mean you can do whatever you want. It means everyone can do whatever they want, and this will include things that you don't want them to doGǪ in particular things they might want to do to you that you don't want them to do.
As a result, pretty much everything you (and everyone else) do will be done contrary to someone else's wishes, and you will have to compete with that other GÇö more or less directly GÇö to ensure that you get your way. This is further reinforced by the simple fact that everything you do in the game is a competition over limited resources in one form or another: if you get an item, it means someone else has to go without. You are always competing. To top it all off, the core of the game actually has nothing to do with spaceships: at its very core, EVE is a market simulator fed by the two opposing forces of PvP industry and PvP combat, and on this market players compete GÇö player vs. player GÇö over the ISK and items that are poured into that market. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
133
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:47:00 -
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I just fly around and do not contribute to PvP or to the market whatsoever, your argument is invalid. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1641
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:49:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Like I said before, get over it. If I want to explore low sec with probes, go into wormholes, engage in industry or trade in lowsec, or even rat or do missions to relax, I shouldn't have to deal with griefers all the time. I play this science fiction game for FUN, not life.
"I want to go into the explicitly dangerous areas and not be shot because Sandbox" EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1641
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:50:00 -
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"I should be able to do exploration, which is inherently in competition with other players, without risk" EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
610
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:54:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:[ [...] well said.
I love how the most of the carebears are smarter than the so called "pvpers" in this game. Real pvpers play other games.
False.
Real PvP'ers know that this game is not all about direct-combat PvP. Ironically enough, that's because everything in this game is PvP.
When you've grown up a bit, then you'll know what that means (hint: pure non-consensual competition-informed sandbox), and also, why the wrong kind of carebear for EVE is fundamentally inimical to same, and must not be tolerated here.
There are many, many other games made for that type --with "REAL PVP!!!!oneoneelven!" even-- they should just go play those.
[cynicism]
Some are even "free" to play, I mean, how could you beat that?
[/cynicism] Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:56:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Anslo wrote:Like I said before, get over it. If I want to explore low sec with probes, go into wormholes, engage in industry or trade in lowsec, or even rat or do missions to relax, I shouldn't have to deal with griefers all the time. I play this science fiction game for FUN, not life. "I want to go into the explicitly dangerous areas and not be shot because Sandbox"
Dangerous because NPCs? Sure. Dangerous because a gang of 12 neck bears who can't make is in nul and enjoy ruining other people's days because they get stepped on in the real-world while serving fries to others to make their monthly troll-game payments? No. Get out. |

Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
413
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:57:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:I should be able to ridiculously abuse tactics to the point of breaking the game without recourse
Richard Desturned wrote:Kill All miners, who needs minerals anyway
Richard Desturned wrote:You're not playing the game the way I want it played! You're avoding letting me ********** all over my keyboard while i suicide you! WWWWHHAAAAA
you're a whiny little ***** Richard. HTFU. If you don't see a problem in 0.0 eroding into two big super-coalitions and a few hangers on in areas nobody cares about.. then you don't have brains. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1641
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:57:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Dangerous because NPCs? Sure. Dangerous because a gang of 12 neck bears who can't make is in nul and enjoy ruining other people's days because they get stepped on in the real-world while serving fries to others to make their monthly troll-game payments? No. Get out.
i'm sorry that you don't like the pvp aspect of this game
try another game EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1641
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:58:00 -
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Denidil wrote:you're a whiny little ***** Richard. HTFU.
fairly hypocritical of you to post "HTFU" anywhere EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
413
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:59:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Anslo wrote:Like I said before, get over it. If I want to explore low sec with probes, go into wormholes, engage in industry or trade in lowsec, or even rat or do missions to relax, I shouldn't have to deal with griefers all the time. I play this science fiction game for FUN, not life. "I want to go into the explicitly dangerous areas and not be shot because Sandbox" Dangerous because NPCs? Sure. Dangerous because a gang of 12 neck bears who can't make is in nul and enjoy ruining other people's days because they get stepped on in the real-world while serving fries to others to make their monthly troll-game payments? No. Get out.
you go into nullsec areas (w-space, or k-space) and you're at risk of being ganked. that is the design of the game. get over it. you want to do things with minimal risk (not no risk as some whiny bitches here are asserting high sec) stay in high sec.
highsec is, and should be, mostly-safe. soon as you leave mostly-safe space you're liable to get shot up. if you cannot deal with that then stay in ******* highsec. If you don't see a problem in 0.0 eroding into two big super-coalitions and a few hangers on in areas nobody cares about.. then you don't have brains. |

Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:59:00 -
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seems like all Richards arguments revolve around taking things to extremes. How typical of someone crying over this change. |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:59:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Anslo wrote:Dangerous because NPCs? Sure. Dangerous because a gang of 12 neck bears who can't make is in nul and enjoy ruining other people's days because they get stepped on in the real-world while serving fries to others to make their monthly troll-game payments? No. Get out. i'm sorry that you don't like the pvp aspect of this game try another game
No. I suggest you leave. You and your kind are what make this game have such a low population of players; because you pew at anything that moves, even in a tiny newb ship. For this game to thrive, PvP changes like what's happening should occur. Deal with it. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1802
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:00:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Sadly CCP was never smart enough to do like most other games and put diminishing returns into "many vs 1", so of course people just bring X + 1 ships to do the job and once enough people use the "bring + 1" strategy to make somebody else's game miserable then CCP nerfs DPS along all the line including 1 v 1.
It'd put a hard limit on the scale of engagements which is never a good thing. Blob warfare may be relatively unexciting compared to smaller scale fights but it's far more exciting to talk about fights between 2000 dudes than "oh man 4 of my friends and I decided to go roaming"
Never said the same "rules" would need to be enforced in 0.0 Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1641
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:00:00 -
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Anslo wrote:No. I suggest you leave. You and your kind are what make this game have such a low population of players; because you pew at anything that moves, even in a tiny newb ship. For this game to thrive, PvP changes like what's happening should occur. Deal with it.
350k subscribers is not a "low population" in any way, shape or form, hope this helps EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:01:00 -
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Denidil wrote:Anslo wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Anslo wrote:Like I said before, get over it. If I want to explore low sec with probes, go into wormholes, engage in industry or trade in lowsec, or even rat or do missions to relax, I shouldn't have to deal with griefers all the time. I play this science fiction game for FUN, not life. "I want to go into the explicitly dangerous areas and not be shot because Sandbox" Dangerous because NPCs? Sure. Dangerous because a gang of 12 neck bears who can't make is in nul and enjoy ruining other people's days because they get stepped on in the real-world while serving fries to others to make their monthly troll-game payments? No. Get out. you go into nullsec areas (w-space, or k-space) and you're at risk of being ganked. that is the design of the game. get over it. you want to do things with minimal risk (not no risk as some whiny bitches here are asserting high sec) stay in high sec. highsec is, and should be, mostly-safe. soon as you leave mostly-safe space you're liable to get shot up. if you cannot deal with that then stay in ******* highsec.
No. I won't. Deal with it. CCP is already changing the game so that low sec is more accessible. And it will continue to change thusly. :) |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:01:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Anslo wrote:No. I suggest you leave. You and your kind are what make this game have such a low population of players; because you pew at anything that moves, even in a tiny newb ship. For this game to thrive, PvP changes like what's happening should occur. Deal with it. 350k subscribers is not a "low population" in any way, shape or form, hope this helps
>implying 350k subscribers is indicative of a healthy and thriving online population where most activity online is around 40k now >implying 10k of those 40k aren't just nulsec alts.
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Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
413
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:02:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Denidil wrote:you're a whiny little ***** Richard. HTFU. fairly hypocritical of you to post "HTFU" anywhere
i'm not the one whining about targets that can't shoot back being made harder to suicide. I'm not the one whining about CONCORD exploits being fixed. I'm not the one whining about highsec being too safe.
Nor am I the one whining about lowsec/nullsec being not safe enough, or that other people's way of playing the game may conflict with mine.
You are just as bad, if not worse, than the complete carebears. The carebears just want to be left alone, you on the other hand cannot stand the idea that if you suicide someone in highsec it is going to be costly - which has been part of the ******* game design from day one.
That doesn't stop freighters carrying lots of shiny loot from getting suicided, nor should it.
If you don't see a problem in 0.0 eroding into two big super-coalitions and a few hangers on in areas nobody cares about.. then you don't have brains. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1641
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:04:00 -
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Anslo wrote:>implying 350k subscribers is indicative of a healthy and thriving online population where most activity online is around 40k now >implying 10k of those 40k aren't just nulsec alts.
except that the game is at those numbers because it caters to a niche rather than the masses
this game won't last long if it's suddenly transformed to cater to the "masses" given the fact that it's a set of spreadsheets with some outdated 3D graphics EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1641
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:05:00 -
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Denidil wrote:i'm not the one whining about targets that can't shoot back being made harder to suicide. I'm not the one whining about CONCORD exploits being fixed. I'm not the one whining about highsec being too safe.
Nor am I the one whining about lowsec/nullsec being not safe enough, or that other people's way of playing the game may conflict with mine.
You are just as bad, if not worse, than the complete carebears. The carebears just want to be left alone, you on the other hand cannot stand the idea that if you suicide someone in highsec it is going to be costly - which has been part of the ******* game design from day one.
That doesn't stop freighters carrying lots of shiny loot from getting suicided, nor should it.
i'm sorry if i disagree with "hisec should be EVE in easy mode" EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8922
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:05:00 -
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Anslo wrote:>implying 350k subscribers is indicative of a healthy and thriving online population where most activity online is around 40k now Seems fairly normal GÇö 10%+ of total population consistently logged in on any given day (more on weekends).
Quote:>implying 10k of those 40k aren't just nulsec alts. Well, that would certainly put a nail in the GÇ£omgz highsec is majorityGÇ¥ claim's coffin.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:07:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Anslo wrote:>implying 350k subscribers is indicative of a healthy and thriving online population where most activity online is around 40k now >implying 10k of those 40k aren't just nulsec alts. except that the game is at those numbers because it caters to a niche rather than the masses this game won't last long if it's suddenly transformed to cater to the "masses" given the fact that it's a set of spreadsheets with some outdated 3D graphics
Wrong. If this game catered to the masses, it would last long. WoW lasted long. Guild Wars lasts long. Top that off with regular free content, you have a gold mine. PvPers have held this game back too long. If WiS had been released in full and even flying/walking on planets and cities, this game would see a THRONG of people flock to it (such as Mass Effect fans, sci-fi novel fans, sci-fi television show fans, Star Wars fans even, etc). More money, more content, more diversity, more interest.
But YOU and your ilk have done nothing but stagnate this game's growth by scaring people away and screaming bloody murder for anything that hinders your Blaster enabled e-peen beating. This stagnation has gone on long enough. Get over it or get out. The age of the care bear draws nearer. |

Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:09:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Denidil wrote:i'm not the one whining about targets that can't shoot back being made harder to suicide. I'm not the one whining about CONCORD exploits being fixed. I'm not the one whining about highsec being too safe.
Nor am I the one whining about lowsec/nullsec being not safe enough, or that other people's way of playing the game may conflict with mine.
You are just as bad, if not worse, than the complete carebears. The carebears just want to be left alone, you on the other hand cannot stand the idea that if you suicide someone in highsec it is going to be costly - which has been part of the ******* game design from day one.
That doesn't stop freighters carrying lots of shiny loot from getting suicided, nor should it. i'm sorry if i disagree with "hisec should be EVE in easy mode"
If you want to play a game that takes skill and has no npc protection, go play Darkfall and quit crying. EVE is as succesful as it is because of equalizer mechanics that allows bads to compete with the best, and has relative safety areas. Its the game you play, deal with it and,suck up your tears or GTFO. |
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