EVE has changed. I give you that. But it was certainly not more dangerous back then than it is today. Maybe you want to enlighten me though and tell me what you think made EVE so super safe and cuddly nowadays, cause your OP certainly doesn't do it.

EVE has changed. I give you that. But it was certainly not more dangerous back then than it is today. Maybe you want to enlighten me though and tell me what you think made EVE so super safe and cuddly nowadays, cause your OP certainly doesn't do it.

To the OP:

Although I understand your point of view.

I think you should take in consideration, that you changed as well.

And with that I do mean both character and the RL person.

Your personal feel of fear in this game has dropped and your skill in avoiding danger when you have to has risen.

As a much younger player I can remember my first trip to low sec as being very scary, nothing happened but Adrinaline was pumping through my vains.

First PvP fight I chose to engage myself felt like a freefall from 10.000 feet.

Now I don't scout ahead when traveling to low sec. I know the drills en what should get away rom what ever gatecamp there is.

And if I loose a t1 ship I don't think to much about it, and nowa days I get most kicks out fly ships that I consider expensive in to places I consider dangerous.

I understand that ater playing for 8 years there is little you can't aford to loose anymore, nothing you haven't tried and few secrects left to the game.

no simple CCP change is going to change that aside maybe for an entire new engame mechanic.

But consider that to those not playing for as long as you do, EVE is still considered a dangerous place, maybe a little less dangerous what what is was, I'm not the right person to judge that.

If you're longing for a new challenge, maybe you should freese these characters and start a new one, whitout any help from the alts you have away rom the people you know, you still know the tricks, but you lack the resources and SP. it just might give back some of the thrills you had in the old days.

If you're longing for a new challenge, maybe you should freese these characters and start a new one, whitout any help from the alts you have away rom the people you know, you still know the tricks, but you lack the resources and SP. it just might give back some of the thrills you had in the old days.

Where 1 hard player quits, 3 soft hearted NeX Store loving, Gold Ammo Wanting, Daddy's Credit Card Holdin', teenagers will soon replace him. And Hilmar's dream gets a step closer to reality.

the entire "game is dieing" attitude sounds very much like wow forums, just saying

i think they should make the game harder, percental SP loss for characters when podded and no concord... but hey, i am not really the audience they cater to

you know, actual loss not this "bu-hu my ship got destroyed and my pod too, i got to buy a new clone and its so expensive and it costs isk that i can buy with rl cash if i am too lazy/stupid to get it myself"

N P C corp...

Basicially im qutting because ccp is making it harder to camp 0.4 gates and newbies are getting smarter and im not getting tons of easy kills, also because after the barge patch i wont be able to gank barges non stop

emo rage quit bye o/

Actually, carebears tend to be much older, mature and financially self-sufficient than "hard players". Simply because they dont have the time or desire to waste their lives "living hardcore pvp lives". They dont play to "overcome spectacular challenges" because they have enough of those in real world, they come to the virtual one to relax.

Its the 17y/o bullied fatties who make the best die-hard pvpers in any MMO, simply because they need to vent their frustration of failing at their real lives, all of their hate and desire to hurt other players comes simple from being inferior and hurt human beings.

So, Planetside 2 .. when will all of you bitter hater be gone? Can I help you get there faster?

Edit: BTW, pretty much the same scenario as WoW and GW2. According to "die hard veterans", WoW has been dying for like 6 years now and every new MMO will be the end of WoW. Apparently, reality is on the carebear side.

Jump into a .4, get your face blown off. Rinse, repeat. Your life span was usually dictated by how long you could hold your cloak at a gate.

Actually, carebears tend to be much older, mature and financially self-sufficient than "hard players". Simply because they dont have the time or desire to waste their lives "living hardcore pvp lives". They dont play to "overcome spectacular challenges" because they have enough of those in real world, they come to the virtual one to relax.

Its the 17y/o bullied fatties who make the best die-hard pvpers in any MMO, simply because they need to vent their frustration of failing at their real lives, all of their hate and desire to hurt other players comes simple from being inferior and hurt human beings.

Well-written, just the right amount of passive aggression to make it work. An easy 7/10. Would give it a higher score if it wasn't recycled material.

one troll less stop the f*cking QQ post jezus people need to read those dev post i think OP is brainless or what... Do you even think ccp cares about you? lmfao yah the do but not in the way that you have everything YOU NEED. There are more players.. Then ONLY YOU. Get over it go cry agains your mommy and ask why people are so rude.... Because trolling people and whiners are not nice people

"Eve is about pvp"

That was your first incorrect assumption.
Go play Wow if you don't want to show up in local.

Personally I think this is a game about internet spaceships. It just happens that almost all of the different ships in EVE are designed exclusively to fill various combat roles.

wow i've played eve on and off since it went retail many moons ago.

and every time i come into eve and check the forums, its full of elite players who moan about the game, moan about changes and moan about the fellow players.

all games are the same, you must keep players coming back. it isn't about keeping those players playing, but gettting them new people playing.

most of the older players all use plex so whats the deal? someone paid for that plex with money but i bet it wasn't you......


eve isn't about killing noobs. 0.8+ should be 100% secure for new players, the old players should get there rocks off doing something else than picking on noobs.

Gate guns have always been under powered. totally useless. gate camping isn't fun. its just griefing.


if you get your rocks off going after players with 5 million skillpoints then i'm glad your leaving. because it will make my gaming experience better.

Eve is what you make of it, whether that be collecting corpses, avatar dress up, or full-time ship spinning.
It can be a pvp game, but that's not all there is.

I don't understand why people keep thinking that they've found out what Eve is "about".

Sure, everybody is entitled to see EVE as they please, this game is a sum of many parts, but player vs player combat is what drives the whole universe, from mining and industry to trade. And that is a simple fact, not an opinion.

Consequently the other parts couldn't exist without pvp, especially not corpses

I often feel like the open despise towards PVP is tainted by limited exposure to pew, specifically to the most boring forms of it such as hisec station games, bad luck on gates or being a grunt in a null blob of a bad alliance. Even without any personal experience, these get thrown about so often that new players start to believe that's all there is to pvp.

Still even this does not explain why some posters can be so cross-eyed to actually suggest that all pvpers only want to kill nubs on gates, or suicide miners on belts. These activities omit the interesting aspects that EVE pvp consist of- strategy, co-operation, making space brosefs, outwitting your opponents. Hell, just setting up a POS inside a wormhole and living there is already pvp imho.

Controlling large fleets must be fun for the exclusive few, but solo and small gang is accessible to everyone.

It's way more than ctrl-click the primary, F1, and trust me, pvp in this game is absolutely fantastic.

I read a post earlier about some 3 year player binning his character because he was suicide ganked and then lost his Golem (LOL) to Concord because he "shot a Noctis" (i.e. he was an idiot and made a huge mistake).

I'm an 8 year+ player (I've lost count to be frank) and I've had at least two accounts subbed at a minimum for the entire 8+ years. This month will be the first time in 8 years that I have no characters in training.

Why? CCP has continued and will continue to make Eve less lethal. CCP continually makes Eve a safer place, easier to survive, with fewer opportunities to die horribly as a result of your mistakes. Essentially, they've dumbed down the game, and continue to do so.

When I was a new player, Eve was incredibly lethal. Jump into a .4, get your face blown off. Rinse, repeat. Your life span was usually dictated by how long you could hold your cloak at a gate. This part of the game was what kept me coming back for more. Extreme risk, extreme danger, extreme loss if you make a mistake.

Eve PVP is now garbage. It's not that the balance is that bad, or the mechanics are terrible. That part of the game is just fine. It's the inability to have non-concentual PVP. 99% of the time, if you get a fight it's because either A) the other side wanted to fight, or B) the other side made such a huge mistake that they ignored all signs of danger for 10+ minutes while you 'snuck up on them' in broad daylight, broadcasting your presence in local. Anyway, I digress.

With every change, CCP has removed risk, weighted the balance towards the defender and generally pampered those players who otherwise would have been murdered like sleeping baby seals.

Maybe one day the game will turn the corner and CCP will start making it more lethal again. I seriously doubt it, but it might happen. Until then, it's looking less and less likely that I'll find it worthwhile to log back in. It's sad really. CCP has finally managed to pummel my fanatical enthusiasm for the game into mush. I've been transformed from Eve evangelist to apathetic apologist. And the worst part is, all the other aspects of Eve have never been better: graphics, new ship models, missile trails, interface updates, market improvements, industry, invention, etc. etc. etc.

But that's not what Eve is about. Eve is about PVP. And until CCP fixes that, it's not worth subbing. Such a waste.


***EDIT***

Some addendum:

This post isn't about gate guns, or high sec or low sec or whatever. The players focusing on issues such as these are behaving like a person running at speed and looking straight down at their toes. The focus should be at the horizon, not at the base of your feet. Think bigger. Think more fundamentally about how the game is constructed and how it's (so poorly) organized for PVP and how fundamental changes in gameplay can radically improve the game over the long run. CCP keeps placating you with tiny improvements and distracting you with changes designed to generate controversy and discord.

So no, this isn't a "Goons ruined Eve" thread. It's not a whine thread. I'm just voting with my wallet. The only thing CCP understands.