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Cleric	Posted - 2005.02.02 02:18:00 - [481] I think I was the first guy to sign this thread, but I'm going to sign it again. DEVS! PRETTY PLEASE WITH CHERRIES ON TOP DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!
voidvim	Posted - 2005.02.02 03:27:00 - [482] /signed but balance minmatar first
Cuisinart	Posted - 2005.02.02 06:52:00 - [483] Too many pages to read them all. I have Gal BS 5, 9mil+ in gunnery folder which includes lrg hybrids 5 and some tech II and I finally gave up on gal and switched to amarr again. Mega needs work. Vision without action is a daydream Action without vision is a nightmare
Isonkon Serikain	Posted - 2005.02.02 07:48:00 - [484] Signed... Respect to the pilots who use blasterboats, from the megathron to the taranis... they all have the same problems... And they take more skill and bollox to win than with a missile boat. Hard to close in without getting ganked (which is where the fun is)... The structure favor on gallente ships is absolute poo... armor pls... Even the Taranis suffers grid issues AND cap... you can't run 3 guns, web and scrambler for long after having charged a target that you webbed... Even if you have 1 cpr... I read here that the blaster cannons suck more juice than lasers do, AND use ammo...Now thats lame. At least CCP is consistent in the weakness of gallente ships. I'd like to see more grid and cap (I would fly a dominix, but you can't power a decent soundsystem on it), and armor OR speed increase, both would be too uber, however.
Theoraden	Posted - 2005.02.02 08:36:00 - [485] Signed. Seems my Hybrid 5 and Gallente 5 doesn't even give me a chance vs the evil noobie Armageddon pilots. Tier2 BS should easily be better over a Tier1 :@
Jec Polux	Posted - 2005.02.02 09:23:00 - [486] Edited by: Jec Polux on 02/02/2005 09:23:29 Signed. Megathron was my ship of choice right through from simply aspiring to own one, to fitting out a deadly blasterboat. Sadly I had to stop using them some 4 months ago, simply due to their inability to tank effectively. Sort this CCP, and maybe I can fly the rugged Mega once again. 'Desire the Right'
Dr Derek	Posted - 2005.02.02 09:37:00 - [487] Originally by: Theoraden Signed. Seems my Hybrid 5 and Gallente 5 doesn't even give me a chance vs the evil noobie Armageddon pilots. Tier2 BS should easily be better over a Tier1 :@ i agree, i'm a armageddon pilot.. i could kill a megathron b4 it starts hitting me. Megathrons needs better speed, i say MWD bonus. Now i think enough ppl wants a better megathron... gimme 1 reason why not do something about this right now, how hard is that?
fras	Posted - 2005.02.02 09:46:00 - [488] signed for a boost definately. Not another flavour of the month though please!
Loka	Posted - 2005.02.02 10:00:00 - [489] Stop with your MWD suggestions. MWD bonus means to sacrifice other bonus for it. None Tech 1 BS has more than 2 Bonus! I heared a rumor, that ppl are using Rails on their megathron. Ofc i would belive such lies, but it made me think about it. God Damn guys, whats wrong with your brain? You want to ruin the Megathron more than it is now, by reducing it to only one usefull Bonus? Rails are good for PvP and for PvE. Blasters are only usefull against some NPCs and 1vs1 combat. There are ppl outside using Rails. The problem is that the dmg/cap compared to its avarage cap is borked. Decrease cap usage per activation or increase dmg or Hybrids. The ship and his bonus is fine imo, dont change something that isnt borked in any way! _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Jazz Bo	Posted - 2005.02.02 10:05:00 - [490] Signed. I love blaster boats above all, but I find myself buying an Apoc or Raven every time because they're far more versatile, tank a LOT better and do just as much damage at close range. That ain't right. The Megathron needs more grid and more cap, so it can actually tank with a MWD and 7 blasters fitted (and I mean Electron or Ion, Neutrons are unusable). Or a serious damage and range boost on blasters. Originally by: DB Preacher Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
Dr Derek	Posted - 2005.02.02 10:09:00 - [491] Originally by: Loka Stop with your MWD suggestions. MWD bonus means to sacrifice other bonus for it. None Tech 1 BS has more than 2 Bonus! I heared a rumor, that ppl are using Rails on their megathron. Ofc i would belive such lies, but it made me think about it. God Damn guys, whats wrong with your brain? You want to ruin the Megathron more than it is now, by reducing it to only one usefull Bonus? Rails are good for PvP and for PvE. Blasters are only usefull against some NPCs and 1vs1 combat. There are ppl outside using Rails. The problem is that the dmg/cap compared to its avarage cap is borked. Decrease cap usage per activation or increase dmg or Hybrids. The ship and his bonus is fine imo, dont change something that isnt borked in any way! there is a simple solution to this... make blasters make better dmg and change the megathron dmg bonus to a MWD bonus.. why not try this? i dont fly megathrons but i kno i can kill 1 easily b4 it even gets in range
Loka	Posted - 2005.02.02 10:14:00 - [492] Originally by: Jazz Bo The Megathron needs more grid and more cap, so it can actually tank with a MWD and 7 blasters fitted (and I mean Electron or Ion, Neutrons are unusable). Or a serious damage and range boost on blasters. Disagree. Think about it again pls. And now imagine someone would fit Rails on such ballanced Blasterthron instead. If you would like to go this way, than you would have to decrease the PG needed for Blasters, which will also bring more problems with other Races fitting Blasters. The problem in ballancing weapons is that they arent restricted to a single ship. The Lasers are that ueber atm, because they are ballanced on ships without dmg/ROF bonus. Therefore any other ships, which wouldnt get this bonus too, because of fitting weapons not ment to be fitted on their races ship, wouldnt get hit. Laser can be compared with hybrids and Projectiles all the way from ROF to tracking up to the dmg/s. The shipbonus on the Amarrians ships are a bonus without taking in mind, that their weapons already can be compared with other races. Its like having Amarrian ships with 3 bonus on ships instead of 2 like any other has Ofc just my opinion. _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Loka	Posted - 2005.02.02 10:16:00 - [493] Originally by: Dr Derek there is a simple solution to this... make blasters make better dmg and change the megathron dmg bonus to a MWD bonus.. why not try this? i dont fly megathrons but i kno i can kill 1 easily b4 it even gets in range You havent read my post have you? what will then Railuser do, where their DOT will be decreased drastic, due to the fact tracking or dmg bonus will have to go? Regarding your opinion, Rails should be taken out of this game, when you doom all the flagships of the Gallente to fit weapons to use both of their shipbonus. _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Dr Derek	Posted - 2005.02.02 10:28:00 - [494] Originally by: Loka Originally by: Dr Derek there is a simple solution to this... make blasters make better dmg and change the megathron dmg bonus to a MWD bonus.. why not try this? i dont fly megathrons but i kno i can kill 1 easily b4 it even gets in range You havent read my post have you? what will then Railuser do, where their DOT will be decreased drastic, due to the fact tracking or dmg bonus will have to go? Regarding your opinion, Rails should be taken out of this game, when you doom all the flagships of the Gallente to fit weapons to use both of their shipbonus. Hmmm.. why not make rails do better dmg when fitted on megathron then? pls stop arguing against me, i think most gallente pilots want a megathron boost.. you got any better idea?
Loka	Posted - 2005.02.02 10:56:00 - [495] yeah i got in the xx pages before. Iam just bored of repating my self for the ppl, who didnt want to read all pages. Short version: increase 5% dmg to 10% increase 5% tracking to 7,5% reduce capusage of Blasters (might not be necessary, if the DOT is increased already) change pg needed for 425mm Rails from 2,75k to 2,5k change pg needed for 350mm Rails from 2,15k to 2k change pg needed for large Neutron Cannon from 2,75k to 2,5k - 2,25k that you may be able to fit a few on some setups Than you have a Blasterthron with huge dmg, but low tanking, a Railthron with good firepower and decent tanking. And still not the problem that other races would switch their race gun for the hybrids, like the old known Railpoc. _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Scotari	Posted - 2005.02.02 11:06:00 - [496] On top of every thing else designed to get me killed in my Mega, I now find that if i activate my 3 armour hardeners at once I get lag spikes from hell.......10-15 seconds in the middle of a level 4 mission is no joke. Had to get a friend in a Raven out to help me in middle of said mission......whilst I ended up with 30% armour, no cap and warping away, she was sitting there with barely a dent in her shields. Not one to gripe, but she has 6m skill points whereas i have 18m with about 8m in gunnery All she says is 'get one of these' but the point is - why should I have to??
Dr Derek	Posted - 2005.02.02 11:09:00 - [497] Originally by: Loka yeah i got in the xx pages before. Iam just bored of repating my self for the ppl, who didnt want to read all pages. Short version: increase 5% dmg to 10% increase 5% tracking to 7,5% reduce capusage of Blasters (might not be necessary, if the DOT is increased already) change pg needed for 425mm Rails from 2,75k to 2,5k change pg needed for 350mm Rails from 2,15k to 2k change pg needed for large Neutron Cannon from 2,75k to 2,5k - 2,25k that you may be able to fit a few on some setups Than you have a Blasterthron with huge dmg, but low tanking, a Railthron with good firepower and decent tanking. And still not the problem that other races would switch their race gun for the hybrids, like the old known Railpoc. sounds good to me, but it's not the dmg that is the problem... it's speed and cap.. i think
Loka	Posted - 2005.02.02 11:19:00 - [498] Originally by: Dr Derek sounds good to me, but it's not the dmg that is the problem... it's speed and cap.. i think Speed and Cap is only the problem, because you cant dish out dmg fast enough. See it this way. We dont want Gallente ships to be a Amarrian derivate. Make each race unique is the way to go. _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
OzaLoni	Posted - 2005.02.02 12:19:00 - [499] I currently find that the rails give good damage and tracking when I have 1 tracking and at least 2-4 heat sink II's fitted... but that leaves nothing for a tank...... So you would be so kind as to make these changes and please 25 pages of user community I for 1 would be very happy! <===Dreamer N.B. Yes I know this has been said on the last x pages of this post but....... I refuse to give in to CCP on this... I'm a paying customer asking for some attention on a serious problem.... maybe when we reach 50 pages we might get a "Hello from CCP?" Signed. So CCP what does it take to get an answer... not just a comment to say it's being looked at (although that would be great) but a geninue statement that "there is an issue in there eyes and that will be dealt with" or "why this has been ignored in the last x months" Originally by: Loka yeah i got in the xx pages before. Iam just bored of repating my self for the ppl, who didnt want to read all pages. Short version: increase 5% dmg to 10% increase 5% tracking to 7,5% reduce capusage of Blasters (might not be necessary, if the DOT is increased already) change pg needed for 425mm Rails from 2,75k to 2,5k change pg needed for 350mm Rails from 2,15k to 2k change pg needed for large Neutron Cannon from 2,75k to 2,5k - 2,25k that you may be able to fit a few on some setups Than you have a Blasterthron with huge dmg, but low tanking, a Railthron with good firepower and decent tanking. And still not the problem that other races would switch their race gun for the hybrids, like the old known Railpoc. The Great Oz...
Decuba	Posted - 2005.02.02 12:34:00 - [500] I trained months to be able to fly the Megathron, because i think it the best looking boat in game, Then i trained months to be able to have some deasant gunnery skills, When i finally could fly the Megathron, i got jacked by a raven, And the character was most 2-4m sp, Well then again it itsnt that strange, how can you beat caldari when they have uber modules like amplifiers, pfeeef, cheating :D
WizEye	Posted - 2005.02.02 13:10:00 - [501] reply #500
Captain Rod	Posted - 2005.02.02 14:06:00 - [502] Already talked some rollocks on this post. I agree wholeheartedly with LOKA's ideas. It shows someone has thought it through well in terms of balancing for both blaster and rail users and keeps it a versatile ship (if we can ever fit anything on it and live long enough to succeed). We just need to get heard now. Gets back to cleaning the bays of his shiney new Raven in dock
Cowboy	Posted - 2005.02.02 15:12:00 - [503] Signed "Come on God. Answer me. For years I am asking you why. Why are the innocent dead and the guilty alive? Where is justice? Where is punishment? Or have you already answered? Have you already said to the world, here is justice, here is punishment, here..............in me"
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.02.02 15:13:00 - [504] Originally by: Loka yeah i got in the xx pages before. Iam just bored of repating my self for the ppl, who didnt want to read all pages. Short version: increase 5% dmg to 10% increase 5% tracking to 7,5% reduce capusage of Blasters (might not be necessary, if the DOT is increased already) change pg needed for 425mm Rails from 2,75k to 2,5k change pg needed for 350mm Rails from 2,15k to 2k change pg needed for large Neutron Cannon from 2,75k to 2,5k - 2,25k that you may be able to fit a few on some setups Than you have a Blasterthron with huge dmg, but low tanking, a Railthron with good firepower and decent tanking. And still not the problem that other races would switch their race gun for the hybrids, like the old known Railpoc. Hmm... may I suggest a slightly modified list? Changes: Increase all ship tracking bonuses from 5% to 7.5% Increase base damage of blasters by 10-15% (larger turrets get more to counter their poor tracking and non-existant range increase) change pg needed for 425mm Rails from 2,75k to 2,5k change pg needed for 350mm Rails from 2,15k to 2k Reduce powergrid need of all blasters by 20% - Gallente ships, unlike any other races ships, run into BOTH CPU and Powergrid problems. Especially with MWD requirement of blasters. Increase Gallente ship speed so that it is much closer to Minmatar (yet still short). Personally, I think that the cap usage and ammo usage (both by far the highest in game) is fine, as long as it is payed back in form of greatly increased damage and reliability. Neutron Blasters aren't used for two reasons: fitting and tracking. Both suck, bluntly put. -- If TC causes you discomfort that you feel is unwarranted or may be outside TC's current contract - contact me, please.
fisho	Posted - 2005.02.02 16:40:00 - [505] Signed. And signed again.
Zavier Sozeron	Posted - 2005.02.02 21:05:00 - [506] Gotta keep this going MEGA needs cap boost !
Luc Boye	Posted - 2005.02.02 21:07:00 - [507] Originally by: Theoraden Signed. Seems my Hybrid 5 and Gallente 5 doesn't even give me a chance vs the evil noobie Armageddon pilots. Tier2 BS should easily be better over a Tier1 :@ haha, I hear ya Signed! -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
Rashor Thrawn	Posted - 2005.02.02 21:26:00 - [508] signed
Lugash	Posted - 2005.02.02 21:29:00 - [509] signed
Nadec Ascand	Posted - 2005.02.02 22:04:00 - [510] bump maybe one day we gonna be heard Yeah im caldari... and yeah im flying a megatron... Why coz maybe now only caldary are tough enough to fly those and evryone use caldari ship...

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