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Leam
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Posted - 2005.02.06 16:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Noriath
Edited by: Noriath on 06/02/2005 16:43:15
Originally by: Ithildin
Staging an OOC protest in the game is fine, but crashing nodes with cans to get attention is not.
Yep, I have to agree with that. Not going to come if it's going to turn into some stupid atempt to ruin other peoples fun.
I agree. It's true that thron needs fixing, but keep it in forums.
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.02.06 18:03:00 -
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i'll be there 
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Cobalt Wyvern
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Posted - 2005.02.06 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Leam
Originally by: Noriath
Edited by: Noriath on 06/02/2005 16:43:15
Originally by: Ithildin
Staging an OOC protest in the game is fine, but crashing nodes with cans to get attention is not.
Yep, I have to agree with that. Not going to come if it's going to turn into some stupid atempt to ruin other peoples fun.
I agree. It's true that thron needs fixing, but keep it in forums.
Hmm I the point wasn't to crash the system by dumping cans . . . jsut to get a message out. I didn't even think that the cans would cause any problem. If you have any other way then that would be cool . . . I deffinitely dont want to ruin the game for other people. 
So just show up and show your support . . .I'm thinking just dumping a few cans outside a few stations . .. blow up some guns. Make some noise in local and all is done. Check out hte "Gallente Protest" channel and voice your opinion.
Cob
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Divania
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Posted - 2005.02.06 19:12:00 -
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I'll be there :)
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Cobalt Wyvern
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Posted - 2005.02.06 22:51:00 -
[575]
Edited by: Cobalt Wyvern on 06/02/2005 23:01:40
Protest Results
Thanks to all of you who participated. The event was a great success with a fleet comprised of Gallente and other ships first amassing at the Algogille Gate in Luminaire. We commenced to drop cans and then hit several stations while the fleet continued to grow in size.
While our cans may be short lived, the message we left will continue to echo in pilots minds. I hope to see the needed changes made soon, but if that doesn't happen I'm confident the next protest movement will be larger and more fun.
Next protest will probably have a drawing for ISK for participants as well as well as a L4 mission for anyone interested (ya got that many BSs in one place, ya might as well have some fun)  .
*no nodes were crashed during the making of this event 
Thank You For Your Support,
Cobalt Wyvern
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2005.02.07 08:53:00 -
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.02.07 10:29:00 -
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Centauris
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Posted - 2005.02.07 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
And while you're at it, give the Dominix a drone range bonus instead of a gun damage bonus, and maybe enough medslots to acctually use it's high CPU.
Finally, some sense, start giving the dominix some good wraps, everyone is going straight to the top of gallente bs and forgetting the dominix, the drones bonus is awesome, i took out 5 cruisers with 10 ogres even b4 getting a lock on them, a range bonus would be good also.
Getting to the megathron, mmm, some problems do lie there, cap is a serious issue and lets not forget the armor hardner bugs. When you activate them the game will intermittently pause and give you no control. CCP start investing some time in the megathron and stop giving the raven and even more unfair advantage over the game, Sheild SL*T, sums up the raven!
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2005.02.07 12:04:00 -
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Personally I don't think the bonuses on either Mega or Domi need changing, it's the base stats of the ships that need tweaking (or the stats of some modules they use, perhaps).
Yes, the Domi is a drone boat, but it's also very versatile and can fit a number of roles - EW platform, tanker, gun platform. Specialising the bonuses specifically for drones would weaken the ship IMO, especially given the problems with drones atm (scooping is borked, drone AI lacks intelligence, varied drone types such as Vampire Drones still unavailable).
The Domi can be fun to fly but it could do with a few small boosts. An increase in powergrid would be welcome and perhaps a small boost to its base speed or a mass reduction (using a microwarpdrive on one emphasises this problem).
As for the Mega, as has already been said several times, dropping either of the current bonuses in favour of a bonus to MWD would result in new problems arising rather than old ones being solved. The capacitor is undoubtedly problematic, but whether increasing the capacitor or tweaking hybrid weapon energy use is better, I'm unsure.
Other races seem not to run into the problem of using cap for both weapons and defence. In the case of the Minmatar/Caldari, it's because their weapons use little or no cap. In the case of the Amarr it's because they get bonuses to cap use on lasers as well as having large capacitors to begin with (which itself is increased, in the case of the Apoc). Gallente ships - and the Mega in particular - don't seem to have that advantage.
Perhaps that means Gallente ships are the only balanced ships in the game, as those of us who fly them have to decide between damage dealing or taking or finding a suitable middle-ground (not to mention dealing with the Megathron's derisory CPU). Problem is, if our ships are balanced, it means some of the others are not - and we know what that will lead to...
The question CCP have to answer is whether they will boost up Gallente ships (the Mega in particular) or 'balance down' ships of other races that don't face the same problems in fitting and using BS.
Unfortunately, I don't think we'll have an answer for quite some time.
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Lowa
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Posted - 2005.02.07 15:16:00 -
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I just thought of something after I have been playing around
with my Mega during last week and Im getting to a config
that might be usefull. This is going to be a long range
setup but Im getting the impression that maybe going down
from 425's to 350's will get your cap usage to an OK level
and damage output (fitting for damage/cap recharge only now)
also at an acceptable level. However, this will require named
guns (scout or higher) but then we also have the T2 stuff.
Anyone tested a ranged, damage only, setup using best named
or T2 350's in PvP? With good skills geared towards this ship
and setup I think it will be quite good actually.
The very limited testing done so far (t1 guns), some tank,
against NPC shows that you require 2 Megas to do the job
of one Raven or Arma/Apoc. Its still wrong maybe but in a fleet
I dont see why a couple of correctly setup Megas wouldnt be
a real threat. Still not as dangerous as a couple of Armas
but still pretty good. Some tweaking of something (ship or
modules) is still needed though but I may not be that much.
Also, if you ppl with skills for it havent tried 250mm T2's
on it...do it. Its quite nice.
Now, for close range, solo flight... Thats something else.
I can see how a close range blaster mega can be usefull,
I've seen it myself, but that requires a backup fleet of
jammers or something, I would not charge a raven, arma or
apoc for more than a few seconds without someone else removing
the hostile fire in the mean time.
The quest continues...
Cheers,
LOWA
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.02.07 20:34:00 -
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So how did the protest go
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Cobalt Wyvern
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Posted - 2005.02.08 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Gierling
So how did the protest go
The event went great. We had a large turnout and also raised pilots awareness of the balance problem. As planned we dumped cans, raised some noise, and left w/out crashing any nodes.
If things go unchanged I'd like to hold another one . . . and then do some level 4 missions w/ the amassed fleet afterwards .
So does anyone know if they are even looking at the Mega/Domi issues for the next patch?
Cob
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Loka
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Posted - 2005.02.08 08:41:00 -
[583]
Originally by: Cobalt Wyvern
So does anyone know if they are even looking at the Mega/Domi issues for the next patch?
You are kidding right?
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AlphA13
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Posted - 2005.02.08 13:14:00 -
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"Oh man, Rock totally loses to Scissors, its SO DAMN UNFAIR! NERF SCISSORS!"
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The Anointed
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Posted - 2005.02.08 13:43:00 -
[585]
Originally by: AlphA13
"Oh man, Rock totally loses to Scissors, its SO DAMN UNFAIR! NERF SCISSORS!"
I think you'll find your wrong there, Scissors loose to rock, so it is the rock you should be nerfing. or you could just boost the scissors and nerf nothing.
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Kublai Khan
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Posted - 2005.02.08 14:49:00 -
[586]
Originally by: AlphA13
"Oh man, Rock totally loses to Scissors, its SO DAMN UNFAIR! NERF SCISSORS!"
Rock, Scissors, AND Paper currently beat the Thron, which is Fluff...
Signed again :)
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.02.08 16:11:00 -
[587]
And the Dominix is worth every ISK you pay for it, but unfortunatly it costs only half as much as every other battleship that is also worth every ISK you pay for it...
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.02.08 20:07:00 -
[588]
Originally by: Loka
Originally by: Cobalt Wyvern
So does anyone know if they are even looking at the Mega/Domi issues for the next patch?
You are kidding right?
Patching and balancing history of this game's last two years teaches us that ship/gun balancing patches or changes occurr with an average of one per 3 months or so. If looking at fixes for balancing issues brought up by the player community (like the recent projectile patch and others before), we are looking at an average of about one per 6 months, tops.
Seeing no dev has found us worthy enough to be told that they also see an issue with the megapulse as well as with gallente weapon/ship balance in comparison to other races (two different but interlocking issues imo), I would expect the patch horizon to look somehting like this:
- missile overhaul, hitpoint stuff: 1-3 months (will possibly remove caldari from top end of food chain to bottom, and will put amarr higher up then before even per my own expectations. Short range high damage setups will loose even more viability).
- Megapulse/amarr ship balance correction (as per megapulse thread that at least got something that resembled a comment from a dev): 3-6 months minimum since it seems even ccp now sees an issue here.
- Gallente ships/ hybrids will not be corrected before the above two patches have been done and thoroughly done their work so that no overlubbing or overblancing is done (at least, I imagine that'll be the standard ccp excuse again):
6-9 months, minimum.
So, I've stopped training up my large hybrid specialisations finally and have gone semi-active as of this week. If I play at all it'll no longer be in predominantly gallente ships, in which about 10 million of my skillpoints are invested.
No, I'm not very trusting in ccp anymore after playing this game daily since a month after release.
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babo
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Posted - 2005.02.08 21:47:00 -
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I started to look for any dev response here, but with this many postings it would take forever to find...
have any devs even addressed this issue?
clearly with this many posts, there is a lot of people behind this.
I for one would like to see some improvements, or at least a dev post saying they are being looked at (even if it is a lie).
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2005.02.08 22:19:00 -
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Sounds like a clever way of CCP to keep us Sub'ing to me 
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Kublai Khan
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Posted - 2005.02.09 00:42:00 -
[591]
Originally by: babo
have any devs even addressed this issue?
of course not, they would have to acknowledge there was a problem if they did that :(
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2005.02.09 01:06:00 -
[592]
Originally by: Kublai Khan
Originally by: babo
have any devs even addressed this issue?
of course not, they would have to acknowledge there was a problem if they did that :(
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Captain Rod
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Posted - 2005.02.09 14:23:00 -
[593]
Ooooh. When I get large hybrid specialisation 5 you'll be sorry.... or dead, buried and reincarnated 5 times by then lol
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Loka
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Posted - 2005.02.09 14:41:00 -
[594]
Originally by: Rod Blaine
So, I've stopped training up my large hybrid specialisations finally and have gone semi-active as of this week. If I play at all it'll no longer be in predominantly gallente ships, in which about 10 million of my skillpoints are invested.
you should continue training. Believe me the Tech 2 Rails are awsome. Blasterthrondmg up to 60km scary a lot of foes
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Lowa
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Posted - 2005.02.09 14:41:00 -
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Done some more testing. Its final.
You basicly have no chance against anything.
You could, maybe, take down a incorrectly fitted
Scorp or Dom. The rest can either out damage or
out tank you. You could take an all out damage Arma
if something jams and damps it. But only if you are lucky.
Or alone if you happen to come in like 5000m from it
and then are able to stay at 1500m or less.
Go above 1500m and the Medium beams will eat you.
(And on that note, have you seen what a Gankageddon with
T2 Large Lasers will do to another ship? Its hilarious!)
This is ofcourse small scale battle scenarios.
In a close range fleet/gank engagement you could maybe
kill and survive a bit longer if you are lucky enough
not to be called as target in the first minute or so.
And I'm in agreement with the timeline above. Sadly.
Regards,
LOWA
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.02.09 16:08:00 -
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*Need to get this back on page 1*
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.02.09 16:32:00 -
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I'd note that the incidence of Megathrons in the BoB fleet is currently INCREASING.
Just a note. On the other hand, I don't think I've EVER seen a BoB pilot in a Dom..
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.02.09 17:10:00 -
[598]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
I'd note that the incidence of Megathrons in the BoB fleet is currently INCREASING.
Just a note. On the other hand, I don't think I've EVER seen a BoB pilot in a Dom..
Are they railthrons or blasterthrons?
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.02.09 17:35:00 -
[599]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
I'd note that the incidence of Megathrons in the BoB fleet is currently INCREASING.
Just a note. On the other hand, I don't think I've EVER seen a BoB pilot in a Dom..
Thats because Jericho Fraction uses all the Doms.
We are changing our name to Dominix Fraction.
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Henka
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Posted - 2005.02.09 17:42:00 -
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yeah, i have seen a increase in Megas in PA fleet aswell, i got one and so have lots of others.
but im not sure its for the right reason though, many still think megas is uber in close combat but im yet to hear one of my PA friends to get a confirmed non-noob kill (that is, no ganking)..
Asap my friends get rich enough to train to Apoc/raven they will go over to better ships, right now its just the "im gallente i should drive mega, and i heard it is uber 6 months ago".
when i try to explain what nerfs it have gotten (or not nerfs, but lack of buffs) they just tell me im talking crap..
So they say, lol they dont have a clue cuz they are so blind doing 50dmg per gun times 7 every other secound (ganka deal 150-250 damage on the same rof, sure no tanking but WHO needs tanking when you can kill everthing and everyone without loosing shield even?).
Oh well they will learn, im still driving my mega, just noticed plut ammo is better npcing gurista with the added range and reduced cap useage (and not that much lovered damage)...
and doing this while my alt mine crokite with L barge sure gives me a headstart in the isk game :P 
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