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Tigress Tionese
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.13 12:50:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Melodee619 wrote:Dont know what they did, but they really bolloxed mining now. I went through 12 ICE belts tonight an every one of them had 5-15 Macks+ Orca's. I finally find a Hulk in doxi, an I unloaded on it... Did FA to it. He took my Alpha an just ignored me. lol
One hulk in over 30 miners, yer they provided lots of diversity..... Remember, people are idiots who don't like change. and don't pay attention. So 'Mack for ice mining. That's how I did it, that's how dad did it' and so on. They'd do better in hulks, but they're not paying attention. If more miners did, Scordite wouldn't be worth what it is.
I'm hearing every excuse in the book to try to stop the inevitable Mackinkaw nerf from taking place. First they say any orca pilot will use hulks, this has been proven false, then they say that that all the hulks hang out in nullsec fleet ops, this has not been proven, and even if it was true, fleet ops are a niche compared to the majority of mining that takes place.
So now the next claim is that people just forgot to switch their ships since the patch, which is another assumption with no facts behind it. The price of mackinkaws and hulks in jita paints a clear picture, mackinkaw is the new top barge of choice for the majority of miners and that's really no great shock considering how imbalanced it is presently.
There was more hulks in the belts and ice fields prepatch, ever since mackinkaws got made into the best overall barge the majority has switched to mackinkaws. So people have adapted to the patch, they've dumped their hulks and switched to mackinkaws. Jita prices reflect this. |
Melodee619
The Scope Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.08.13 12:55:00 -
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LOL I love how miners come to forums an cry to CCP that they are above the rule set an should be hand held. CCP listen an give them that immunity they feel they deserve. Amusing. As for the trolls "trying" to score points... irrelevant. facts are facts, CCP always listen to the ones who complain the most. EG Miners/botters
This is a fact
Jihad they screamed an ranted that waaa we deserve to have our hands held. CCP listened an bang! Concord boost was given.
Forward 3 years, Miners cry an rave that they alone deserve to be protected, it isn't fair they shouldn't have to use their brain cel an actually think to protect themselves.... CCP listens....
After all god forbid, a miner had to NOT mine in high pop systems After all god forbid a miner actually mined in mission belts After all god forbid a Miner actually used Dscan After all god forbid a miner actually talked to others to find out who gankers are an -10 them, so they could see em coming.
After all....oh **** it lol Basically miners dont want self responsibility, they "demand" CCP protect em... :)
100$ says Mission runners will be next, they will work out that miners got what they demanded, an they will say "it isnt fair, we want to be free to mission anywhere we choose in 10b fittings without any risk... lol
As for my little self, I enjoy going after Viators an haulers in general. dont give a damn about loot, kills for tears is payment enough. |
Melodee619
The Scope Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.08.13 12:58:00 -
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Tigress Tionese wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Melodee619 wrote:Dont know what they did, but they really bolloxed mining now. I went through 12 ICE belts tonight an every one of them had 5-15 Macks+ Orca's. I finally find a Hulk in doxi, an I unloaded on it... Did FA to it. He took my Alpha an just ignored me. lol
One hulk in over 30 miners, yer they provided lots of diversity..... Remember, people are idiots who don't like change. and don't pay attention. So 'Mack for ice mining. That's how I did it, that's how dad did it' and so on. They'd do better in hulks, but they're not paying attention. If more miners did, Scordite wouldn't be worth what it is. I'm hearing every excuse in the book to try to stop the inevitable Mackinkaw nerf from taking place. First they say any orca pilot will use hulks, this has been proven false, then they say that that all the hulks hang out in nullsec fleet ops, this has not been proven, and even if it was true, fleet ops are a niche compared to the majority of mining that takes place. So now the next claim is that people just forgot to switch their ships since the patch, which is another assumption with no facts behind it. The price of mackinkaws and hulks in jita paints a clear picture, mackinkaw is the new top barge of choice for the majority of miners and that's really no great shock considering how imbalanced it is presently. There was more hulks in the belts and ice fields prepatch, ever since mackinkaws got made into the best overall barge the majority has switched to mackinkaws. So people have adapted to the patch, they've dumped their hulks and switched to mackinkaws. Jita prices reflect this.
I actually hit like on your post, because its quite well written an true for most part. 1 hulk in 3 hours hunting tonight, v 30+ Macks....that alone shows your right. CCP just traded one ship for another, an gave it immunity to death so botters an afkers can go anywhere they want.
edit CCP wont nerf Macks, not after they came out an explained how great their patch was, an how its opened up mining.... when in reality they have made it 100x easier for botters an afkers. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
516
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:04:00 -
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Melodee619 wrote:LOL I love how miners come to forums an cry to CCP that they are above the rule set an should be hand held. CCP listen an give them that immunity they feel they deserve. Amusing. As for the trolls "trying" to score points... irrelevant. facts are facts, CCP always listen to the ones who complain the most. EG Miners/botters
This is a fact
Jihad they screamed an ranted that waaa we deserve to have our hands held. CCP listened an bang! Concord boost was given.
Forward 3 years, Miners cry an rave that they alone deserve to be protected, it isn't fair they shouldn't have to use their brain cel an actually think to protect themselves.... CCP listens....
After all god forbid, a miner had to NOT mine in high pop systems After all god forbid a miner actually mined in mission belts After all god forbid a Miner actually used Dscan After all god forbid a miner actually talked to others to find out who gankers are an -10 them, so they could see em coming.
After all....oh **** it lol Basically miners dont want self responsibility, they "demand" CCP protect em... :)
100$ says Mission runners will be next, they will work out that miners got what they demanded, an they will say "it isnt fair, we want to be free to mission anywhere we choose in 10b fittings without any risk... lol
As for my little self, I enjoy going after Viators an haulers in general. dont give a damn about loot, kills for tears is payment enough. I would have been more inclined to say subs dropped CCP put in a Concord fix, subs dropped again so CCP put in these awesome barges.
It is CCP's wallet that needs protecting not the miners. Especially as CCP's money mostly comes from Hi-sec miners and mission runners and I will bet the people shelling out real cash for Plex's comes from the same. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Tigress Tionese
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:06:00 -
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Melodee619 wrote:Tigress Tionese wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Melodee619 wrote:Dont know what they did, but they really bolloxed mining now. I went through 12 ICE belts tonight an every one of them had 5-15 Macks+ Orca's. I finally find a Hulk in doxi, an I unloaded on it... Did FA to it. He took my Alpha an just ignored me. lol
One hulk in over 30 miners, yer they provided lots of diversity..... Remember, people are idiots who don't like change. and don't pay attention. So 'Mack for ice mining. That's how I did it, that's how dad did it' and so on. They'd do better in hulks, but they're not paying attention. If more miners did, Scordite wouldn't be worth what it is. I'm hearing every excuse in the book to try to stop the inevitable Mackinkaw nerf from taking place. First they say any orca pilot will use hulks, this has been proven false, then they say that that all the hulks hang out in nullsec fleet ops, this has not been proven, and even if it was true, fleet ops are a niche compared to the majority of mining that takes place. So now the next claim is that people just forgot to switch their ships since the patch, which is another assumption with no facts behind it. The price of mackinkaws and hulks in jita paints a clear picture, mackinkaw is the new top barge of choice for the majority of miners and that's really no great shock considering how imbalanced it is presently. There was more hulks in the belts and ice fields prepatch, ever since mackinkaws got made into the best overall barge the majority has switched to mackinkaws. So people have adapted to the patch, they've dumped their hulks and switched to mackinkaws. Jita prices reflect this. I actually hit like on your post, because its quite well written an true for most part. 1 hulk in 3 hours hunting tonight, v 30+ Macks....that alone shows your right. CCP just traded one ship for another, an gave it immunity to death so botters an afkers can go anywhere they want. edit CCP wont nerf Macks, not after they came out an explained how great their patch was, an how its opened up mining.... when in reality they have made it 100x easier for botters an afkers.
All barges needed was a HP buff, but the devs went too far. Giving one barge a 35k m3 cargo hold has turned mining into an afk joke to be done by alts. The ice market is crashing, and the belts are jam packed with afk mackinkaw miners, this is the first signs of the problem. How could they not have seen this coming? The next set of whining will start by miners when ice mining yield drops to a few mill per hour.
Barges needed a HP buff, fair enough, but why all this extra too? Did someone not stop and say "er maybe it's not such a good idea to give a mining ship a cargo bay that will allow miners to AFK mine for up to an hour at a time?".
The moment they gave a single ship a 35k m3 ore hold and a yield that is just 9% behind the highest yield barge, it was obviously going to become the new barge of choice for most miners. |
Melodee619
The Scope Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:19:00 -
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CCP always over react, Jihad showed that. Goons have done alot for eve, an Jihad itself made HS "fun".... was sad when CCP over reacted. |
Tigress Tionese
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:22:00 -
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Melodee619 wrote:CCP always over react, Jihad showed that. Goons have done alot for eve, an Jihad itself made HS "fun".... was sad when CCP over reacted.
I agree that they over reacted, the moment they released the first changes on Sisi the were insane, they had to nerf them a few times on Sisi. It's really hard to understand their line of thinking with the mackinkaws ridiculous ore hold size, how could they not see that they were creating an even bigger problem? |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
519
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:26:00 -
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Tigress Tionese wrote:Melodee619 wrote:CCP always over react, Jihad showed that. Goons have done alot for eve, an Jihad itself made HS "fun".... was sad when CCP over reacted. I agree that they over reacted, the moment they released the first changes on Sisi the were insane, they had to nerf them a few times on Sisi. It's really hard to understand their line of thinking with the mackinkaws ridiculous ore hold size, how could they not see that they were creating an even bigger problem? Isn't this normally where someone chimes in with 'sandbox', the ability to play the game the way you want. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Melodee619
The Scope Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:26:00 -
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Tigress Tionese wrote:Melodee619 wrote:CCP always over react, Jihad showed that. Goons have done alot for eve, an Jihad itself made HS "fun".... was sad when CCP over reacted. I agree that they over reacted, the moment they released the first changes on Sisi the were insane, they had to nerf them a few times on Sisi. It's really hard to understand their line of thinking with the mackinkaws ridiculous ore hold size, how could they not see that they were creating an even bigger problem?
yer, I dont think they care too much, these changes smack of "well screw em, lets just do it". |
Randomize All
State War Academy Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:35:00 -
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It's not like CCP to look at something, interpret it completely wrong and then make a change that actually makes the situation worse. Not like CCP at all. What Sreegs doesn't know, we don't tell. |
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Randomize All
State War Academy Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:39:00 -
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Melodee619 wrote:100$ says Mission runners will be next, they will work out that miners got what they demanded, an they will say "it isnt fair, we want to be free to mission anywhere we choose in 10b fittings without any risk... lol.
I presume you never heard of the lofty scam, or any of the other names it went by. Anyway, CCP are more than happy to wipe the bottoms of miners, missioners and Incursion runners. In fact they're not just happy to do it, they kind of insist on it.
But why, why would CCP want fluffy, soft hearted, easy life loving softies populating their game? Is there some sort of demographic difference they are trying to install? Would it have anything to do with selling Gold Ammo in the NeX store? |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
640
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:42:00 -
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What the hell are people complaining about exactly?
brb |
Tigress Tionese
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:43:00 -
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I believe that the old situation was minerels and ice were a little high, ganking was too easy, and the hulk was considered the best barge.
CUE massive overbalancing
Now we have the opposite situation, minerels are dropping, ice is crashing, likely to never before seen levels, and the mackinkaw is now the best barge. One single change was the cause of this, the massive 35k m3 ore hold. Drop it down to about the level of the skiff at most and all will be well. The mack still has more yield than the skiff, and the skiff has more tank. Overbalancing has caused all the old problems to remain, just in opposite ways. Hulk was the best, now mackinkaw is, and ice was too high, next it'll be too low and the whining will be about that instead. |
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
225
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:49:00 -
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The Mackinaw is currently king because it fits player behavior so well.
A majority of players prefer to solo and semi-afk mine. The Mackinaw combines a healthy mining rate with a big internal ore bay, thus eliminating the risk of can flippers.
Because this combination of attributes is so favorable, it is currently the most demanded miner. I do not feel, however, that it is fundamentally unbalanced.
The hulk is still better when it comes to fleet mining operations. While it does haul more raw ore than a T1 hauler, raw ore is the ONLY thing that massive ore bay can hold. A T1 hauler can put ANYTHING in its cargo hold.
Not to mention, T1 haulers align and warp MUCH faster than the Mackinaw and are *much* cheaper and easier to skill into. So they have replaced the T1 hauler for moving ore around... but in the end T1 haulers still have their place and have by no means been replaced. In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse. |
Ezra Tair
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
85
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:50:00 -
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I am of the opinion that the changes are awesome. Are you really mad because now you don't need a separate character to haul if you use the midsize mining ships? Ship costs have been rising steadily since CCP removed other stream of ore into the game. Don't worry, they won't drop back down as low, but they won't stay as high either.
If your mad because guys can go afk mining ice for an hour? So what? How else do you play a mechanic that requires 5+ mins of staying 10km within a stationary object? The price drops with the influx of supply, and its not attractive, and they do something else. All the while they lower the isk cost of playing with capitals or running POSes.
Really, it sounds like you are mad because more people have a reason and the ability to mine without a real fear of being ganked. That lowers prices and thats bad for your, but good for others. deal bud. |
Tigress Tionese
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:57:00 -
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Ezra Tair wrote:I am of the opinion that the changes are awesome. Are you really mad because now you don't need a separate character to haul if you use the midsize mining ships? Ship costs have been rising steadily since CCP removed other stream of ore into the game. Don't worry, they won't drop back down as low, but they won't stay as high either.
If your mad because guys can go afk mining ice for an hour? So what? How else do you play a mechanic that requires 5+ mins of staying 10km within a stationary object? The price drops with the influx of supply, and its not attractive, and they do something else. All the while they lower the isk cost of playing with capitals or running POSes.
Really, it sounds like you are mad because more people have a reason and the ability to mine without a real fear of being ganked. That lowers prices and thats bad for your, but good for others. deal bud.
I think not. Just a few posts ago I wrote that the barge HP buff was needed. So you're saying that miners needed a 35k m3 ore hold in order to feel safe enough to mine without being ganked? That makes no sense. The ore hold size has nothing to do with ganking, and everything to do with every man and his dog taking up mining as a passive semi afk income, made possible only because of the indy size ore hold.
Perhaps the devs need to add a way to do missions and pvp afk for up to an hour at a time too, since that seems to be the way we're heading. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9045
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:59:00 -
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Tigress Tionese wrote:I'm hearing every excuse in the book to try to stop the inevitable Mackinkaw nerf from taking place. First they say any orca pilot will use hulks, this has been proven false, then they say that that all the hulks hang out in nullsec fleet ops, this has not been proven, and even if it was true, fleet ops are a niche compared to the majority of mining that takes place. EhGǪ what? When has anyone said any of that?
And why does the Mack need to be nerfed? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:05:00 -
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Smohq Anmirorz wrote:uhhh....yeah, I think that's one of the things miners wanted and got. They should probably lower the yield, AFK miners shouldn't make so much ISK. Ice is gonna' crash hard. Won't the price simply recover from the manipulation and stabilize? I thought the price was pushed way up because of all of Goonswarm's ganking campaigns such that they effectively cornered the market for a while. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
150
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:12:00 -
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Tippia wrote:And why does the Mack need to be nerfed?
Check Pipa's posts before and right after the 1.2 patch. A lot of "facts" how Mackinaw's tank and ore bay render Skiff's/Procurer's role useless. |
Tikera Tissant
41
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:20:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:And why does the Mack need to be nerfed? Check Pipa's posts before and right after the 1.2 patch. A lot of "facts" how Mackinaw's tank and ore bay render Skiff's/Procurer's role useless.
Why does it make them useless? Those are totally different roles.
A skiff/procurer are meant to be the BS size tank ships with the lowest mining/ice yielding. The machinaw is meant to be the solo pilot ships.
A machinaw will not survive for very long in a null sec attack for example, but a skiff will with its huge buffer, until someone comes to help. A skiff can have an almost 100K EHP tank without even sacrificing its ice/ore yielding by much, while the mack has to sacrifice everything in order to be even close to half of that EHP.
What is the point of even comparing those ships together?
Its like saying a navy raven makes the hoobkill useless. Sorry, but it makes no sense to me. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4313
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:22:00 -
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Tikera Tissant wrote:A machinaw will not survive for very long in a null sec attack for example, but a skiff will with its huge buffer, until someone comes to help.
Plenty of ships will kill you in nullsec long before any help arrives. People kill supercarriers before any help is nearby - a 100k EHP Skiff is no problem. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Tikera Tissant
41
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:24:00 -
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Andski wrote:Tikera Tissant wrote:A machinaw will not survive for very long in a null sec attack for example, but a skiff will with its huge buffer, until someone comes to help. Plenty of ships will kill you in nullsec long before any help arrives. People kill supercarriers before any help is nearby - a 100k EHP Skiff is no problem.
Of course, but if you happen to be attacked by a random player roaming around, your chances are much better. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9050
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:55:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:And why does the Mack need to be nerfed? Check Pipa's posts before and right after the 1.2 patch. A lot of "facts" how Mackinaw's tank and ore bay render Skiff's/Procurer's role useless. GǪwhich you can link to, hopefully.
And still: why does the Mack need to be nerfed? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1834
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:And why does the Mack need to be nerfed? Check Pipa's posts before and right after the 1.2 patch. A lot of "facts" how Mackinaw's tank and ore bay render Skiff's/Procurer's role useless. GǪwhich you can link to, hopefully. And still: why does the Mack need to be nerfed?
Because a perfectly fit Mack now takes 3 dessies to die instead of 1 to 2. That's the tears tap for the super casual gankers.
As I said 500 times by now, casual gankers don't blame the miners if CCP raised the miner gank bar. Blame the organized gank corps which super-farmed miners and thus pushed CCP into their moves.
In the end, after each nerf there's an idiot(s) who can't restrain himself from over-abusing something considered legit for a long time. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Deise Koraka
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.08.13 21:54:00 -
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People *****....but honestly someone out there has to keep the market full of trit and pyrite, let the afk miners sit in the belts, so everyone else can do more exciting things!
Things like:
1.sitting on gates in low sec waiting to gank 2.sitting in wormholes waiting for corp members to get on so they can do something 3.sitting in incursion fleets for 1-2 hours waiting for just "1 more logi" 3.sitting in null waiting for fleet to form up 4.sitting on the forums being a big jerk 5.sitting in stations 6.sitting in cq in station watching the low frame rate
Guys...we are a community of sitters.
If the new Mack lets the miners sit in belts, who are we to deny them that?
____________________________ I am a carebear, and I support High Sec ganking and PvP. Just please, don't blow up my Hulk*. <3
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Melodee619
The Scope Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.08.13 23:29:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:And why does the Mack need to be nerfed? Check Pipa's posts before and right after the 1.2 patch. A lot of "facts" how Mackinaw's tank and ore bay render Skiff's/Procurer's role useless.
It makes all the other ships useless, Last night 1 hulk in over 30 macks in 3 hours I found, an today those macks are still botting away an not one single hulk.... That alone says volumes. Naturally enough CCP will say its a feature, because they dont like to be wrong. So they will say Mack was designed to be the new ship of choice for aspirating botters everywhere. |
Suddenly Boom
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.08.13 23:56:00 -
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Melodee619 wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:And why does the Mack need to be nerfed? Check Pipa's posts before and right after the 1.2 patch. A lot of "facts" how Mackinaw's tank and ore bay render Skiff's/Procurer's role useless. It makes all the other ships useless, Last night 1 hulk in over 30 macks in 3 hours I found, an today those macks are still botting away an not one single hulk.... That alone says volumes. Naturally enough CCP will say its a feature, because they dont like to be wrong. So they will say Mack was designed to be the new ship of choice for aspirating botters everywhere.
You talking about normal belts? Must be, if you checked the ice fields there's 30 macs and 0 hulks PER belt :)
All hail our new afk mining barge overlord! |
Melodee619
The Scope Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.08.14 00:11:00 -
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Suddenly Boom wrote:Melodee619 wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:And why does the Mack need to be nerfed? Check Pipa's posts before and right after the 1.2 patch. A lot of "facts" how Mackinaw's tank and ore bay render Skiff's/Procurer's role useless. It makes all the other ships useless, Last night 1 hulk in over 30 macks in 3 hours I found, an today those macks are still botting away an not one single hulk.... That alone says volumes. Naturally enough CCP will say its a feature, because they dont like to be wrong. So they will say Mack was designed to be the new ship of choice for aspirating botters everywhere. You talking about normal belts? Must be, if you checked the ice fields there's 30 macs and 0 hulks PER belt :) All hail our new afk mining barge overlord!
I know mate thats what I was saying. |
Mercenary MIner
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:10:00 -
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How interesting all this is. Really haven't been paying much attention to the game and this slips in. I'm a 0.0 ice and multibox a large fleet. No I don't bot and lets just say my my computer desk s reminiscence of something at NASA. So when I realized what was going on the first thing I thought about was the statement by CCP from Fanfest that they were going to make it easier for multiboxing miners. Then they said they were going to crack down on botters. REALLY!!?
Come on man first they make an inventory system that makes setting up and maintaining a multiboxed fleet way harder. Now they revamp the fleet ships, giving the Mack a massive cargo hull. Now who does that favor but the botting miner. So in turn for a massive ore bay I give away a fleet of ships that pull in 103 block an hour (with bonuses and implants) for a ship that does 83. Oh wait you say just set up Hulks. I can do that just so I can pull in 92 an hour.
Who cares what ship is best right now. Nothing is on par with the old Mack as far as ice and not everyone mines in empire. Stop being hypocrite CCP either acknowledge you want botters in the game or stop the stealth support. Well not so stealthy at this point.
Now I admit that right now I'm only going on EFT numbers and haven't actually sat in a properly fit and fleeted Hulk. I may be missing something here but man this is the first time I've been pushed to canceling my accounts. |
Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
100
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:18:00 -
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Deise Koraka wrote:People *****....but honestly someone out there has to keep the market full of trit and pyrite, let the afk miners sit in the belts, so everyone else can do more exciting things!
Things like:
1.sitting on gates in low sec waiting to gank 2.sitting in wormholes waiting for corp members to get on so they can do something 3.sitting in incursion fleets for 1-2 hours waiting for just "1 more logi" 3.sitting in null waiting for fleet to form up 4.sitting on the forums being a big jerk 5.sitting in stations 6.sitting in cq in station watching the low frame rate
Guys...we are a community of sitters.
If the new Mack lets the miners sit in belts, who are we to deny them that?
Lol love that...pure ossum... but if miners can sit in belts, I want ISK while waiting for gangs to form up or people to jump through gates...
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