Remember, people are idiots who don't like change. and don't pay attention. So 'Mack for ice mining. That's how I did it, that's how dad did it' and so on.

They'd do better in hulks, but they're not paying attention.


If more miners did, Scordite wouldn't be worth what it is.

I'm hearing every excuse in the book to try to stop the inevitable Mackinkaw nerf from taking place. First they say any orca pilot will use hulks, this has been proven false, then they say that that all the hulks hang out in nullsec fleet ops, this has not been proven, and even if it was true, fleet ops are a niche compared to the majority of mining that takes place.

So now the next claim is that people just forgot to switch their ships since the patch, which is another assumption with no facts behind it. The price of mackinkaws and hulks in jita paints a clear picture, mackinkaw is the new top barge of choice for the majority of miners and that's really no great shock considering how imbalanced it is presently.

There was more hulks in the belts and ice fields prepatch, ever since mackinkaws got made into the best overall barge the majority has switched to mackinkaws. So people have adapted to the patch, they've dumped their hulks and switched to mackinkaws. Jita prices reflect this.

LOL I love how miners come to forums an cry to CCP that they are above the rule set an should be hand held. CCP listen an give them that immunity they feel they deserve. Amusing. As for the trolls "trying" to score points... irrelevant. facts are facts, CCP always listen to the ones who complain the most. EG Miners/botters

This is a fact

Jihad they screamed an ranted that waaa we deserve to have our hands held.
CCP listened an bang! Concord boost was given.

Forward 3 years, Miners cry an rave that they alone deserve to be protected, it isn't fair they shouldn't have to use their brain cel an actually think to protect themselves....
CCP listens....

After all god forbid, a miner had to NOT mine in high pop systems
After all god forbid a miner actually mined in mission belts
After all god forbid a Miner actually used Dscan
After all god forbid a miner actually talked to others to find out who gankers are an -10 them, so they could see em coming.

After all....oh **** it lol Basically miners dont want self responsibility, they "demand" CCP protect em... :)

100$ says Mission runners will be next, they will work out that miners got what they demanded, an they will say "it isnt fair, we want to be free to mission anywhere we choose in 10b fittings without any risk... lol

As for my little self, I enjoy going after Viators an haulers in general. dont give a damn about loot, kills for tears is payment enough.

I actually hit like on your post, because its quite well written an true for most part. 1 hulk in 3 hours hunting tonight, v 30+ Macks....that alone shows your right. CCP just traded one ship for another, an gave it immunity to death so botters an afkers can go anywhere they want.

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CCP wont nerf Macks, not after they came out an explained how great their patch was, an how its opened up mining.... when in reality they have made it 100x easier for botters an afkers.

CCP always over react, Jihad showed that. Goons have done alot for eve, an Jihad itself made HS "fun".... was sad when CCP over reacted.

I agree that they over reacted, the moment they released the first changes on Sisi the were insane, they had to nerf them a few times on Sisi. It's really hard to understand their line of thinking with the mackinkaws ridiculous ore hold size, how could they not see that they were creating an even bigger problem?

I agree that they over reacted, the moment they released the first changes on Sisi the were insane, they had to nerf them a few times on Sisi. It's really hard to understand their line of thinking with the mackinkaws ridiculous ore hold size, how could they not see that they were creating an even bigger problem?

100$ says Mission runners will be next, they will work out that miners got what they demanded, an they will say "it isnt fair, we want to be free to mission anywhere we choose in 10b fittings without any risk... lol.

I am of the opinion that the changes are awesome. Are you really mad because now you don't need a separate character to haul if you use the midsize mining ships? Ship costs have been rising steadily since CCP removed other stream of ore into the game. Don't worry, they won't drop back down as low, but they won't stay as high either.

If your mad because guys can go afk mining ice for an hour? So what? How else do you play a mechanic that requires 5+ mins of staying 10km within a stationary object? The price drops with the influx of supply, and its not attractive, and they do something else. All the while they lower the isk cost of playing with capitals or running POSes.

Really, it sounds like you are mad because more people have a reason and the ability to mine without a real fear of being ganked. That lowers prices and thats bad for your, but good for others. deal bud.

I'm hearing every excuse in the book to try to stop the inevitable Mackinkaw nerf from taking place. First they say any orca pilot will use hulks, this has been proven false, then they say that that all the hulks hang out in nullsec fleet ops, this has not been proven, and even if it was true, fleet ops are a niche compared to the majority of mining that takes place.

uhhh....yeah, I think that's one of the things miners wanted and got. They should probably lower the yield, AFK miners shouldn't make so much ISK. Ice is gonna' crash hard.

And why does the Mack need to be nerfed?

Check Pipa's posts before and right after the 1.2 patch. A lot of "facts" how Mackinaw's tank and ore bay render Skiff's/Procurer's role useless.

A machinaw will not survive for very long in a null sec attack for example, but a skiff will with its huge buffer, until someone comes to help.

Plenty of ships will kill you in nullsec long before any help arrives. People kill supercarriers before any help is nearby - a 100k EHP Skiff is no problem.

Check Pipa's posts before and right after the 1.2 patch. A lot of "facts" how Mackinaw's tank and ore bay render Skiff's/Procurer's role useless.

GǪwhich you can link to, hopefully.

And still: why does the Mack need to be nerfed?

Check Pipa's posts before and right after the 1.2 patch. A lot of "facts" how Mackinaw's tank and ore bay render Skiff's/Procurer's role useless.

It makes all the other ships useless, Last night 1 hulk in over 30 macks in 3 hours I found, an today those macks are still botting away an not one single hulk.... That alone says volumes. Naturally enough CCP will say its a feature, because they dont like to be wrong. So they will say Mack was designed to be the new ship of choice for aspirating botters everywhere.

You talking about normal belts? Must be, if you checked the ice fields there's 30 macs and 0 hulks PER belt :)

All hail our new afk mining barge overlord!

People *****....but honestly someone out there has to keep the market full of trit and pyrite, let the afk miners sit in the belts, so everyone else can do more exciting things!

Things like:

1.sitting on gates in low sec waiting to gank
2.sitting in wormholes waiting for corp members to get on so they can do something
3.sitting in incursion fleets for 1-2 hours waiting for just "1 more logi"
3.sitting in null waiting for fleet to form up
4.sitting on the forums being a big jerk
5.sitting in stations
6.sitting in cq in station watching the low frame rate

Guys...we are a community of sitters.

If the new Mack lets the miners sit in belts, who are we to deny them that?