Lol love that...pure ossum...
but if miners can sit in belts, I want ISK while waiting for gangs to form up or people to jump through gates...

It makes all the other ships useless, Last night 1 hulk in over 30 macks in 3 hours I found, an today those macks are still botting away an not one single hulk.... That alone says volumes. Naturally enough CCP will say its a feature, because they dont like to be wrong. So they will say Mack was designed to be the new ship of choice for aspirating botters everywhere.

It makes all the other ships useless, Last night 1 hulk in over 30 macks in 3 hours I found, an today those macks are still botting away an not one single hulk.... That alone says volumes. Naturally enough CCP will say its a feature, because they dont like to be wrong. So they will say Mack was designed to be the new ship of choice for aspirating botters everywhere.

I have looked at several killboards.

The macks are still mostly untanked (surprise, eh?) since changing a ship does not make years-of-tradition bads less bad at fitting them.

So, it takes about 2 dessies to kill them, 3 in higher sec or with some tank.

Go, and kill those pesky miners if their existence does not make you sleep in the night.

I have looked at several killboards.

The macks are still mostly untanked (surprise, eh?) since changing a ship does not make years-of-tradition bads less bad at fitting them.

So, it takes about 2 dessies to kill them, 3 in higher sec or with some tank.

Go, and kill those pesky miners if their existence does not make you sleep in the night.

It makes all the other ships useless

Last night 1 hulk in over 30 macks in 3 hours I found, an today those macks are still botting away an not one single hulk.... That alone says volumes.

Won't the price simply recover from the manipulation and stabilize? I thought the price was pushed way up because of all of Goonswarm's ganking campaigns such that they effectively cornered the market for a while.

I just wanne say thanks CCP to give the botting **** a great ship.

You are dead wrong.

When mining in a team you are mining in hulks. They dump their load to the orca, and the orca either takes the ore to the station, or you are using another orca to transfer the ore to the station.

There is absolutely no reason to use mackinaws in a team ops. Even when not tanked they will not do as much m3/hour as a tanked hulk with a booster orca. No need to go and dump your load means lots more cycles dedicated to mining than flying to station, which makes the ops a hell of alot more efficient. Using macks in a team is very in-efficient.

For a solo miner, its retriever->mackinaw.
For a group miner its retriever->hulk.
For a null miner its mainly a skiff.

I don't need to check anything, a mack can have near 20k EHP with 3 upgrades, which is enough.

The ore hold size is very relevant, with the hulk you need to do a lot more work, it's far more intensive, with the mack you can have a very laid back, semi afk or even totally afk mining session, you could even go make dinner and eat it, come back and you're still not full on ore, that is an undeniably huge bonus. This applies to ice mining obviously.

I just wanne say thanks CCP to give the botting **** a great ship.

A max damage cat also does a lot more than 600.

Beyond that half of the cat's gear drops too. So 1.3 mil loss for the ship then half the equipment.

I got a:

gistii-b booster http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14311548

pithi-b booster http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14310410

gistum-c booster & palisade cap recharger http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14308989

All today.

Hulks/Macks also salvage for up to 3 intact plates or 3 power things.


Forum posters give miners too much credit:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14310936
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14310628
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14310010

Those were today as well.

You do not get the concept of team mining do you? After 2 hours the hulk team will still have mined more. Thus more profit..
One would still use a dedicated hauler alt/player to fly back and forward from orca to base non stop. Mack is handy for solo mining nothing more..
The higher market price atm doesn't proof anything as well. Yes the mack has a spike but it will rise in price that much faster because fewer numbers are being produced. Same way the fast hulk drop can be derived from larger production cause it used to be alone as king of miners. Now solo miners switch to mack.

OP: Your usage analysis only means that the Mackinaw's role (a solo miner) is VERY well received and that the solo role is the most popular role. Also, all the miners you got a screen snap of are solo miners. This does not mean that the changes were bad. It means that they worked and made a lot of miners so happy that they bought and/or rebuilt Mackinaws.

These changes were excellent. In fact, one of the best changes I have ever seen.

In my main's corp, we now use ALL T2 ORE hulls. We did not throw away our Hulks.
Mack : bread and butter miner
Hulk : high yield fleet ops with Orca support
Skiff : L4 Recon 3 - the ONLY ship I know of that has decent speed and can tank the poison clouds then harvest all that juicy ore on the far side. This is the ONLY way to make L4 Recon 3 actually pay. If any corp member gets L4 Recon 3, we fleet up and run it with three Skiffs. And, the 50m3 drone bay allows for full flights of miner IIs and light armor reppers. One ship can carry a flight of combat drones for ratz.

We are still working out uses for the Skiff. One issue is that we can't cloak the Skiff easily with it's single high slot, so we have to be careful about scouting them in and out of low sec, or at least work out a travel protocol.

This set of ORE changes has nearly completely altered and improved our mining ops as a corp. We are taking full advantage of the changes. I suggest everyone do the same, because if you do, you'll see there is nothing to complain about.

Skiff : L4 Recon 3 - the ONLY ship I know of that has decent speed and can tank the poison clouds then harvest all that juicy ore on the far side. This is the ONLY way to make L4 Recon 3 actually pay. If any corp member gets L4 Recon 3, we fleet up and run it with three Skiffs.

I think not. Just a few posts ago I wrote that the barge HP buff was needed. So you're saying that miners needed a 35k m3 ore hold in order to feel safe enough to mine without being ganked? That makes no sense. The ore hold size has nothing to do with ganking, and everything to do with every man and his dog taking up mining as a passive semi afk income, made possible only because of the indy size ore hold.

Perhaps the devs need to add a way to do missions and pvp afk for up to an hour at a time too, since that seems to be the way we're heading.

Why aren't there Hulks in the sea of Macks?
Would you park your lambo in a ghetto surrounded by hondas?

Just look at how most of you guys are reacting: "Must find hulk must find hulk must find hulk." Most of my ganker friends are feverishly jumping from system to system looking for hulks. Knowing this, would you be driving one of the most sought after targets or would you just bite the X% yield loss to have T-Rexs gloss over you in their "wtf another mack" rage?

Given my island bordering losec, I'll eat a little less yield to not have the insta-kill "hulk" label while PvPers are going crazy looking for blood during this time of change.

I recognize most mack-ers aren't using this mentality, but I posit that there are many hulk-ers (those with 2-3 accounts, orca/hauler support) abiding by this idea. Hell, I've never used a mack before and I bought 10-12 as soon as CCP wrote about their intended changes.