Pre-patch: "Waaaaa my barge is made of paper and dies if you look at it the wrong way"
Post-patch: "Waaaa those mean Mackinaws hurt my hauler's feelings"

In other news, -ú50 notes don't fit in my wallet very well

Think you might as well scrap the haulers in belts? Feel free. If you're really so bothered about min-maxing though you'll notice that if you just haul with your Mack then you lose out on mining time while shuttling between station and belt.

There's no reason for hulks to be sought after over macs, since the patch their market prices have switched places, mackinkaws are now the expensive ship that is going to cause the most loss to a miner when ganked.

except hulks can be killed (if your really lucky). I attacked a hulk other night with blasters, an he just ignored me, I did scratch damage top him.

For real no idear, why people like OP have so much hate against miner :(.

You can PvP with one ACC. I don't talk about solo PvP! Just one account. (Two+ acc provide much more risk as it's likely to lose one if you don't pay attantion).
You can PvE with one ACC. Two are helpy but realy no need for Missions/Plexing/Ratting.
But you could NOT solo mine till this patch!

One of the most simple actions couldn't be done solo? That was just WRONG!
Either you used jet-cans but more often then not some wannabe Rambo tryed to steal your ore or flip the can. Many times when I docked to switch from Bark to Hauler I found empty cans :(. Or you hauled every 5 mins which was a pain (most missions requier more time if you don't blitz them).

Now I don't have to dock to get my bounty (ore) to the station :). Finaly I can mine with ONE account like I can PvE with just one and PvP with just one.

So the only one who cry like pink babys about this change are can flippers and ore thiefs.

And to be honest ... WHO CARES!

Exept macks are not to be warships. Yet they can stand up to 2 Tornado Alpha's.

LOL see what I mean, this guy is the prime example. Totally ignored the facts an the few simple rules you can follow to be safe.

YouMad?

But I see what you mean :)

"BUHAHAH, I was a can flipper and now I can't do my wannabe Rambo stuff anymore, MAAAAAMMMMMIIII, they took my lollypop!!!!!1111"

PS: want to gank multi million ISK ships? BRING MULTI MILLION ISK SHIPS!
300m isk should die? invest 300m!

PS: want to gank multi million ISK ships? BRING MULTI MILLION ISK SHIPS!
300m isk should die? invest 300m!

Cost is not a balancing factor.

PS: want to gank multi million ISK ships? BRING MULTI MILLION ISK SHIPS!
300m isk should die? invest 300m!

Realy no idear why some of you rage so much.

Isn't this game called a SANDBOX game?
Doesn't the one who like to mine pay the same real money as you do equal what you do?

If they want to afk-mine and have fun doing it .. what the hell is your damn problem?????
They found their little corner in this SANDBOX like you found your corner.

If I check the forums I allways find semi-arguments like: "I do nothing wrong, it's legit game mechanic" or "I do it for fun".
You must be realy short mindet, if you belive, your way is the only true way people can have fun (and should be allowed to have fun)!

Yes, I do semi-afk mining too and I LOVE it! I pay ~12,-Gé¼ each month just to be able to do it (and no, not plex, I use real money!!). While I do it, I watch TV or read a book or do my normal hause work (the stuff you have to do if you have no mom anymore). In addition I invest several hundret million ISK to make my miner a good miner (tank or yield or mix what ever I like).

So where is your damn legitimation which says: you just need 20m to destroy this?? Right, there is no such legitimation!! And your:" buhaha but I want to" is by far not enough! It's not even worth the hot air comming out of your mouth.

sorry, sandbox doesn't mean "you can do whatever your lil heart desires with zero chance of any interference from other players"

Isn't this game called a SANDBOX game?
Doesn't the one who like to mine pay the same real money as you do equal what you do?

If they want to afk-mine and have fun doing it .. what the hell is your damn problem?????
They found their little corner in this SANDBOX like you found your corner.

sorry, sandbox doesn't mean "you can do whatever your lil heart desires with zero chance of any interference from other players"

itt: people think that hisec ganking is supposed to be balanced across all sec bands by the cost of the ships involved

Why should we bring 300 million isk ships if miners won't fit <1 million isk tank mods?

sorry, sandbox doesn't mean "you can do whatever your lil heart desires with zero chance of any interference from other players"

PS: oh and YOU can do what you want and should be allowed to do it .... but other are NOT allowed and should NOT be allowed to do what they want?

That's the carebears-attitude, you genius.

The carebears believe they have a right to be safe, while the gankers try to show them they have not.

Sorry but this is what wannabe mini Rambos belive.

They belive, they are heroic, when they kill helpless targets.
They allways cry "this is sandbox".
They belive, they can DICTATE, what everyone should do.

Oh and btw ... which ships do you want to fly without miner?
No miner => no production => NO SHIPS FOR YOU!

When devs post stuff like "The money you paid for a ship to gank with compared to the money lost by your target was completely off", it sounds like cost IS being used to balance the game. And to a certain degree, they should continue to do so.

Sorry but this is what wannabe mini Rambos belive.

They belive, they are heroic, when they kill helpless targets.
They allways cry "this is sandbox".
They belive, they can DICTATE, what everyone should do.

And as soon as someone does not worship this mini Rambos they start to flame and flood the forum like pink babys "mumi, they don't want to play like I play *whine whine whine*".


Oh and btw ... which ships do you want to fly without miner?
No miner => no production => NO SHIPS FOR YOU!

Ah, I see, you just want to run your own mining bots :D.
That's why no other player should be allowed to do it. NOW I understand *enlight*.

No, it's what the carebears believe. The mini-rambos don't think you shouldn't be allowed to do what you want. They think you should learn how the game works and the consequences of your choices rather than come screaming for changes when those choices blow up in your face.

They belive, they are heroic, when they kill helpless targets.
They allways cry "this is sandbox".
They belive, they can DICTATE, what everyone should do.

If there were no miners left, the actual industrialists would step in and the production would just keep going.

You are dead wrong.

When mining in a team you are mining in hulks. They dump their load to the orca, and the orca either takes the ore to the station, or you are using another orca to transfer the ore to the station.

There is absolutely no reason to use mackinaws in a team ops. Even when not tanked they will not do as much m3/hour as a tanked hulk with a booster orca. No need to go and dump your load means lots more cycles dedicated to mining than flying to station, which makes the ops a hell of alot more efficient. Using macks in a team is very in-efficient.

For a solo miner, its retriever->mackinaw.
For a group miner its retriever->hulk.
For a null miner its mainly a skiff.

what kind of bullshit are you writing here.

solo miner = mackinaw
group miner = mackinaw>hulk
null miner = mackinaw>hulk

... bla ...

You are the best excample that I am right.
You cry "I can't do anymore what I want to do".

Again your posts are the best excample
"I show them how they have to play this game". WHO are you? Who gave YOU the right to do it? So YOU try to dictate the Miners how they should play!

Someone told you: what you do has not enough risk ... and that's why you are so angry now

ROFL what??

solo miner = mackinaw
group miner = mackinaw>hulk
null miner = mackinaw>hulk