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Kiandoshia
Gnampf Inc.
453
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:19:00 -
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Quote:It's already apparent what effect this is having on the ice market. If the trend continues, soon the only people mining ice will be bots and afk alts.
And how exactly is that different to the situation that has been in existance for like.. as long as I play this game =p |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
157
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:27:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:... bla ... You simply don't get the game ... that's all ... and in the same moment you keep blaming us for forcing "our way of playing" onto you, while you just keep ignoring that we don't ... and keep ignoring how the game works.
Ah, I don't get the game?
There are Asteroids with Ore which I can gather by using a Bark and Miner equip to sell it at the Market. As soon as I undock there is a risk to lose the Bark+Equip+gathered stuff.
I like to do this and as it's a a LEGETIM part of this sandbox game .... I do it!
And I'm realy happy, that I don't have to be 100% active like I have to be when I play WoT, LoL or other action games as I can do real life stuff too while I play.
THIS is the game for me!
You don't like my little corner of this sandbox? NOT my problem!
But it seams to be a BIG problem for you to except my little corner. YOUR problem!
And as it is YOUR problem, you want me to convice, that this game has to be played the way YOU want it.
Well realy realy sorry ... but I give a **** how you want it to be. I found my corner which I like and can't see any reason to leave this corner!
Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
157
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:32:00 -
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Tippia wrote:[How am I dictating anything? I'm telling them how the game works
HAHAHAHA, this is funny :)
You tell them how you want the game to work ..... but naaaa, you don't dictate it.
Yea, this was a nice joke  .
As if someone would need YOU to tell him how the game work.
Tutorial >>>>>>>> YOU!
Tutorial says "you can be a Miner" => your opinions are irelevant!
Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Suddenly Boom
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:35:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Zishy wrote:Tikera Tissant wrote:Tigress Tionese wrote:
For belt hauling, the mackinkaw beats primary haulers at their own role. Forget the rest, i'm talking about belt hauling. There's no need to use a hauler anymore, infact even if you're mining in a team, you're better of mining with all mackinkaws, a hauler is not going to increase your yield, infact it will decrease, you're better off with all mackinkaws and no hauler. It's far easier, and you get more ore.
The imbalance here is plain as day, no mining ship should be able to haul ore as well as or better than an actual dedicated hauler does. If you really want a dedicated hauler anyway, just use another Mackinkaw, it can mine between hauling sessions. If you're going to do that though you may aswell just use each miner as its own hauler anyway. God, this is so dumb.
You are dead wrong. When mining in a team you are mining in hulks. They dump their load to the orca, and the orca either takes the ore to the station, or you are using another orca to transfer the ore to the station. There is absolutely no reason to use mackinaws in a team ops. Even when not tanked they will not do as much m3/hour as a tanked hulk with a booster orca. No need to go and dump your load means lots more cycles dedicated to mining than flying to station, which makes the ops a hell of alot more efficient. Using macks in a team is very in-efficient. For a solo miner, its retriever->mackinaw. For a group miner its retriever->hulk. For a null miner its mainly a skiff. what kind of bullshit are you writing here. solo miner = mackinaw group miner = mackinaw>hulk null miner = mackinaw>hulk LOL??? Did you read the DEV-Blog? In a group where you have Haulers Hulk>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mackinaw. If you mine in dangures areas Skif >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mackinaw. If you are to lazy anything >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU  The numbers don't lie. You do!
The numbers don't lie, almost all orca mining groups are using macs, even group miners don't want the hulk. See for yourself all the orcas in the belts in these screens and the mac dominance even in the presence of many orcas. Almost all players will take the huge convenience the mac offers over the hulk.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9096
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:40:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:You tell them how you want the game to work ..... but naaaa, you don't dictate it. No. I tell them how the game works. CCP dictates it.
Quote:As if someone would need YOU to tell him how the game work.
Tutorial >>>>>>>> YOU! The tutorial doesn't cover the issues I'm going over and explaining.
Quote:Tutorial says "you can be a Miner" => your opinions are irelevant! Non sequitur. Why are my opinions rendered irrelevant by the tutorial? It's not like they contradict each other.
Suddenly Boom wrote:The numbers don't lie, almost all orca mining groups are using macs, even group miners don't want the hulk. See for yourself all the orcas in the belts in these screens and the overwhelming mac dominance even in the presence of many orcas. You're missing a rather important column in those screen shots. There's nothing to suggest that any of those actually group mine. The numbers don't lie, but all they're showing is that people like the solo playstyle. This is not news. It doesn't contradict that the Hulk is a better mining ship and that it excels in fleets.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
157
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:42:00 -
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Suddenly Boom wrote:
The numbers don't lie, almost all orca mining groups are using macs, even group miners don't want the hulk.
But NOT becouse the Hulk doesn't mine less.
They use the Mack a) becouse they are lazy and don't want to jetcan every minute or b) they prefare to have a bit more safty to prevent small gank suizids.
There are many topics where gankers say "CCP can buff miners as much as they want ... the Miner will still fit for max Yield" (no, I don't do the search for you, use brain+search function and you will find it!).
Now the Miner DO prefare a bit more defens ... and again you try to blame them when they learned:
- max Yield == bad
- bit defens == good
ROFL?
Hulk HAS the best Yield/min.
Skif HAS the best defens.
Mack offers a good mix.
Works as intended, nothing wrong.
Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Zishy
Demon-War-Lords
Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:54:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Zishy wrote:Tikera Tissant wrote:Tigress Tionese wrote:
For belt hauling, the mackinkaw beats primary haulers at their own role. Forget the rest, i'm talking about belt hauling. There's no need to use a hauler anymore, infact even if you're mining in a team, you're better of mining with all mackinkaws, a hauler is not going to increase your yield, infact it will decrease, you're better off with all mackinkaws and no hauler. It's far easier, and you get more ore.
The imbalance here is plain as day, no mining ship should be able to haul ore as well as or better than an actual dedicated hauler does. If you really want a dedicated hauler anyway, just use another Mackinkaw, it can mine between hauling sessions. If you're going to do that though you may aswell just use each miner as its own hauler anyway. God, this is so dumb.
You are dead wrong. When mining in a team you are mining in hulks. They dump their load to the orca, and the orca either takes the ore to the station, or you are using another orca to transfer the ore to the station. There is absolutely no reason to use mackinaws in a team ops. Even when not tanked they will not do as much m3/hour as a tanked hulk with a booster orca. No need to go and dump your load means lots more cycles dedicated to mining than flying to station, which makes the ops a hell of alot more efficient. Using macks in a team is very in-efficient. For a solo miner, its retriever->mackinaw. For a group miner its retriever->hulk. For a null miner its mainly a skiff. what kind of bullshit are you writing here. solo miner = mackinaw group miner = mackinaw>hulk null miner = mackinaw>hulk LOL??? Did you read the DEV-Blog? In a group where you have Haulers Hulk>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mackinaw. If you mine in dangures areas Skif >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mackinaw. If you are to lazy anything >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU The numbers don't lie. You do!
sweety i mine with full rorqual boosts and 6hulks. 6macks actualy are better then 6 hulks because you can just drop a full can every 10minutes instead of having to drag **** from your cargohold every 104seconds. my hulks yield is over 5k per cycle so in order for me not to drop stripminers i have to click every single account and drag the ore out into a can.
with macks all this trouble is nonexistent. i dont know what you publords are doing in empire space but in null where the big boys and girls live its very different
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9097
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:57:00 -
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Zishy wrote:sweety i mine with full rorqual boosts and 6hulks. 6macks actualy are better then 6 hulks because you can just drop a full can every 10minutes instead of having to drag **** from your cargohold every 104seconds. my hulks yield is over 5k per cycle so in order for me not to drop stripminers i have to click every single account and drag the ore out into a can. GǪso in other words, you're not really fleet mining. You're solo mining with a small gang of ships.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Velicitia
Open Designs
1073
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:05:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:
Hulk HAS the best Yield/min.
Skif HAS the best defens.
Mack offers a good mix.
Works as intended, nothing wrong.
Actually, I bet if we looked at the fits, we'd see the macks are (primarily) fit for max yield, with a **** tank.
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Suddenly Boom
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:06:00 -
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Zishy wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Zishy wrote:Tikera Tissant wrote:Tigress Tionese wrote:
For belt hauling, the mackinkaw beats primary haulers at their own role. Forget the rest, i'm talking about belt hauling. There's no need to use a hauler anymore, infact even if you're mining in a team, you're better of mining with all mackinkaws, a hauler is not going to increase your yield, infact it will decrease, you're better off with all mackinkaws and no hauler. It's far easier, and you get more ore.
The imbalance here is plain as day, no mining ship should be able to haul ore as well as or better than an actual dedicated hauler does. If you really want a dedicated hauler anyway, just use another Mackinkaw, it can mine between hauling sessions. If you're going to do that though you may aswell just use each miner as its own hauler anyway. God, this is so dumb.
You are dead wrong. When mining in a team you are mining in hulks. They dump their load to the orca, and the orca either takes the ore to the station, or you are using another orca to transfer the ore to the station. There is absolutely no reason to use mackinaws in a team ops. Even when not tanked they will not do as much m3/hour as a tanked hulk with a booster orca. No need to go and dump your load means lots more cycles dedicated to mining than flying to station, which makes the ops a hell of alot more efficient. Using macks in a team is very in-efficient. For a solo miner, its retriever->mackinaw. For a group miner its retriever->hulk. For a null miner its mainly a skiff. what kind of bullshit are you writing here. solo miner = mackinaw group miner = mackinaw>hulk null miner = mackinaw>hulk LOL??? Did you read the DEV-Blog? In a group where you have Haulers Hulk>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mackinaw. If you mine in dangures areas Skif >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mackinaw. If you are to lazy anything >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU The numbers don't lie. You do! sweety i mine with full rorqual boosts and 6hulks. 6macks actualy are better then 6 hulks because you can just drop a full can every 10minutes instead of having to drag **** from your cargohold every 104seconds. my hulks yield is over 5k per cycle so in order for me not to drop stripminers i have to click every single account and drag the ore out into a can. with macks all this trouble is nonexistent. i dont know what you publords are doing in empire space but in null where the big boys and girls live its very different
This guy spelled it out right here. With the hulk he has to drop the ore every 104 seconds, with the mack you can mine for a much longer period without worrying about ore overflow, you can have afk breaks. Over a long period a mac user will mine more than a hulk user because they can mine and relax at the same time, resulting in much longer mining sessions. |
Sarton Wells
Blackmoon Ltd.
15
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:16:00 -
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Suddenly Boom wrote:This guy spelled it out right here. With the hulk he has to drop the ore every 104 seconds, with the mack you can mine for a much longer period without worrying about ore overflow, you can have afk breaks. Over a long period a mac user will mine more than a hulk user because they can mine and relax at the same time, resulting in much longer mining sessions.
And that's why gankers have no reason to fear for the safety of their job. |
Suddenly Boom
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:23:00 -
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Sarton Wells wrote:Suddenly Boom wrote:This guy spelled it out right here. With the hulk he has to drop the ore every 104 seconds, with the mack you can mine for a much longer period without worrying about ore overflow, you can have afk breaks. Over a long period a mac user will mine more than a hulk user because they can mine and relax at the same time, resulting in much longer mining sessions. And that's why gankers have no reason to fear for the safety of their job.
I am a huge ganker of miners, with two top dps catalysts at my disposal. 2 is only enough for zero tank macks, semi tanked or greater requires 3-4 catalysts and i'm not sure if i want to invest in 2 more accounts just so i can clear the belts again :) people in the minmatar hi-sec ice fields will know me well :) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9097
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:25:00 -
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Suddenly Boom wrote:I am a huge ganker of miners, with two top dps catalysts at my disposal. 2 is only enough for zero tank macks, semi tanked or greater requires 3-4 catalysts and i'm not sure if i want to invest in 2 more accounts just so i can clear the belts again :) people in the minmatar hi-sec ice fields will know me well :) GǪand that is why 2 will still be enough more often than not. 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Zishy
Demon-War-Lords
Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:32:00 -
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Suddenly Boom wrote:Sarton Wells wrote:Suddenly Boom wrote:This guy spelled it out right here. With the hulk he has to drop the ore every 104 seconds, with the mack you can mine for a much longer period without worrying about ore overflow, you can have afk breaks. Over a long period a mac user will mine more than a hulk user because they can mine and relax at the same time, resulting in much longer mining sessions. And that's why gankers have no reason to fear for the safety of their job. I am a huge ganker of miners, with two top dps catalysts at my disposal. 2 is only enough for zero tank macks, semi tanked or greater requires 3-4 catalysts and i'm not sure if i want to invest in 2 more accounts just so i can clear the belts again :) people in the minmatar hi-sec ice fields will know me well :)
you cant beat my macks/hulks in terms of tank. your catalysts will cry when they see my tanks
gistii a/b-type booster
pith/gist b-typ kinetic/thermal hardeners
have fun ganking that, if you even can. you would need a shitload of luck to even get to me. if you dont die on the way, if you can scan down the grav sites and if you can actualy catch somebody in the grav site that hasnt warped off yet, you will definetly get killed by somebody reshipping into a combatship and ****** by a bubbled outgate when you try to run away
its not as easy as you think. sure in empire space there will still be retards without a tank on their hulks, but where i mine, thats simply not going to happen. a battleship/bc spawn does more dps then you and i can tank a drake or a hurricane doing my damage profile perfectly fine. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4362
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:33:00 -
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Zishy wrote:you cant beat my macks/hulks in terms of tank. your catalysts will cry when they see my tanks
gistii a/b-type booster
pith/gist b-typ kinetic/thermal hardeners
have fun ganking that, if you even can. you would need a shitload of luck to even get to me. if you dont die on the way, if you can scan down the grav sites and if you can actualy catch somebody in the grav site that hasnt warped off yet, you will definetly get killed by somebody reshipping into a combatship and ****** by a bubbled outgate when you try to run away
fyi you're just a really shiny target
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Milla Lekarariba
Mustang Freight and Industry
16
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:46:00 -
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Suddenly Boom wrote:Tippia wrote:Suddenly Boom wrote:Nobody has pointed out that mackinkaw now holds more ore than an industrial hauler? How has nobody seen the fail logic in this? Seeing as how you can't use the Mack as an industrial hauler, the fail logic lies in comparing it to one. That was the entire reason for giving it a specific ore hold: so it can't be used that way, because all it ever will (and can) carry is space-wasting ore. If you want to haul stuff, the best ship for it is an industrial, since they can carry far more (both in terms of stuff and in terms of variety) than a simple mining ship can. Unless you're using that industrial ship to haul ore from the belt, which is more its primary use.
Rubbish, you are forgetting one key thing here, training times, and of course do not forget the ever so slightly (sarcasm) different costs of buying those ships.
Even if you (god forbid) go to max out an industrial with cargo rigs etc, it is STILL cheaper than buying a Mack.
The only people who may use the Mack as an industrial are those who use it to mine, although with the higher risk of a gank, MOST would stick to an industrial as even though weaker, is potentially safer
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Zishy
Demon-War-Lords
Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:47:00 -
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Andski wrote:Zishy wrote:you cant beat my macks/hulks in terms of tank. your catalysts will cry when they see my tanks
gistii a/b-type booster
pith/gist b-typ kinetic/thermal hardeners
have fun ganking that, if you even can. you would need a shitload of luck to even get to me. if you dont die on the way, if you can scan down the grav sites and if you can actualy catch somebody in the grav site that hasnt warped off yet, you will definetly get killed by somebody reshipping into a combatship and ****** by a bubbled outgate when you try to run away fyi you're just a really shiny target
yes all my ships are shiny (: |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9099
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:48:00 -
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Zishy wrote:you cant beat my macks/hulks in terms of tank. your catalysts will cry when they see my tanks
gistii a/b-type booster
pith/gist b-typ kinetic/thermal hardeners I think that, by GÇ£cryGÇ¥, you mean GÇ£jump for joyGÇ¥.
You're fitting a module that doesn't help other than to make you a more worthwhile target.
Gistii A-type: 62.7 HP @-á1.7s cycle when overheated = 690 raw HP added at most in the time it takes for CONCORD to arrive. Much much less as you increase the sec level. Sets you back, oh, 200M or soGǪ for ~290k ISK per HP at best; over 1M ISK per HP at worst.
Medium FS-9 extender: 900 raw HP added, no matter what. Sets you back 2M ISK for 2k ISK per HP every time.
Congratulations, you made your ship more than twice as expensive; you increased the gain for ganking you by an order of magnitue; and you made the ship weakerGǪ oh, and they're going to use Thrasher against you so your hardeners aren't helping.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Zishy
Demon-War-Lords
Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:51:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Zishy wrote:you cant beat my macks/hulks in terms of tank. your catalysts will cry when they see my tanks
gistii a/b-type booster
pith/gist b-typ kinetic/thermal hardeners I think that, by GÇ£cryGÇ¥, you mean GÇ£jump for joyGÇ¥. You're fitting a module that doesn't help other than to make you a more worthwhile target. Gistii A-type: 62.7 HP @-á1.7s cycle when overheated = 690 raw HP added at most in the time it takes for CONCORD to arrive. Much much less as you increase the sec level. Sets you back, oh, 200M or soGǪ for ~290k ISK per HP at best; over 1M ISK per HP at worst. Medium FS-9 extender: 900 raw HP added, no matter what. Sets you back 2M ISK for 2k ISK per HP every time. Congratulations, you made your ship more than twice as expensive; you increased the gain for ganking you by an order of magnitue; and you made the ship weakerGǪ oh, and they're going to use Thrasher against you so your hardeners aren't helping.
you have no ******* clue what you can fit on a ship do you? there are no medium extenders on hulks or macks. and with 90% resists in kinetic or thermal his catalysts will be **** at best.
i have not lost a single hulk or mack yet - why? because i dont mine in ******* empire space. its dangerous and its stupid |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9101
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Posted - 2012.08.15 13:03:00 -
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Zishy wrote:you have no ******* clue what you can fit on a ship do you? Sure I do. For instance, I know how to get a MSE on there, which does you a whole lot more good than an active booster.
Quote:i have not lost a single hulk or mack yet - why? because i dont mine in ******* empire space. Then the booster is even more meaningless. They have no clock to fight against and your active tank is insignificant compared to the DPS they can bring, even if they choose to go after your main resists. There's also no unavoidable loss so they can bring whatever they like. How many cycles do you think you'll get off when you're staring down the barrel of 5k DPS?
In short: don't fit an active booster. It does. Not. Help. You.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2583
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Posted - 2012.08.15 13:10:00 -
[261] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Zishy wrote:you have no ******* clue what you can fit on a ship do you? Sure I do. For instance, I know how to get a MSE on there, which does you a whole lot more good than an active booster. Quote:i have not lost a single hulk or mack yet - why? because i dont mine in ******* empire space. Then the booster is even more meaningless. They have no clock to fight against and your active tank is insignificant compared to the DPS they can bring, even if they choose to go after your main resists. There's also no unavoidable loss so they can bring whatever they like. How many cycles do you think you'll get off when you're staring down the barrel of 5k DPS? In short: don't fit an active booster. It does. Not. Help. You.
Stop telling people that. I'm making my living selling them those boosters and I can honestly say, that investing in a deadspace booster is the best investment you can make with a mining vessel. In fact I'm confident there are some tasty limited time offers available in Jita right now.  |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9103
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Posted - 2012.08.15 13:13:00 -
[262] - Quote
Destination SkillQueue wrote:Stop telling people that. Sorry. I forgot. 
Please disregard my previous post. Revise statement as follows: your active booster does help. In fact, the more the better. Fit all midslots with small a-type boosters.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Yokai Mitsuhide
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
262
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Posted - 2012.08.15 13:16:00 -
[263] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:Stop telling people that. Sorry. I forgot. Please disregard my previous post. Revise statement as follows: your active booster does help. In fact, the more the better. Fit all midslots with small a-type boosters.
Confirming this actually makes you unkillable. |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
Elysian Empire
266
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:03:00 -
[264] - Quote
The "rebalance" of the mining barges is bad and turned out terribly imbalanced
who would have expected that
oh wait everyone |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9107
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:09:00 -
[265] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:The "rebalance" of the mining barges is bad and turned out terribly imbalanced What's imbalanced about it?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Zishy
Demon-War-Lords
Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:12:00 -
[266] - Quote
Tippia wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:The "rebalance" of the mining barges is bad and turned out terribly imbalanced What's imbalanced about it?
whats imbalanced? (: sure an empire nap will never understand that :p
oh and btw shield boosters are required to tank ratspawns in nullsec. oh wait i remember you are not mining anywhere but empire. disregard that |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1690
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:27:00 -
[267] - Quote
You still haven't realized that there is nothing personal in this,
although you still seem to believe you can project this onto me.
No use in talking to a robot who keeps trying to defend himself against an imaginary enemy,
without the needed ability of having a conscious thought and thinking through what's being told.
You're just too blinded by your own hatred.
I hope you die often. o/
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:48:00 -
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Zishy wrote:whats imbalanced? So nothing, then, since you can't think of anything either and have to ask.
Quote:oh and btw shield boosters are required to tank ratspawns in nullsec. GǪand that's nice and all, but they're not going to protect you against other players GÇö the topic we're discussing here GÇö and they're completely useless for suicide ganks GÇö the context we're discussing those attacks in. Claiming that it will make any difference whatsoever against a HS catalyst gank (or against any kind of gank outside of HS) is beyond clueless.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:55:00 -
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Andski wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Andski wrote:itt: people think that hisec ganking is supposed to be balanced across all sec bands by the cost of the ships involved When devs post stuff like "The money you paid for a ship to gank with compared to the money lost by your target was completely off", it sounds like cost IS being used to balance the game. And to a certain degree, they should continue to do so. tell me exactly how you can require x amount of isk to gank, say, a hulk
So you don't think the recent changes have made it so that it costs more to gank miners? Or you don't think the quote above suggests they are using cost to balance the game? |
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2012.08.15 15:01:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote: I can honestly say, that investing in a deadspace booster is the best investment you can make with a mining vessel.
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