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Stormchyld Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.05 22:16:00 - [1531] Originally by: Elda Amamiya Edited by: Elda Amamiya on 04/06/2011 18:54:30 Originally by: Sethose Olderon Here is the crux of the issue, by adding the micro-transactions, you attract the previously mentioned type of players, but as they decide to undock and discover the harsh reality of what Eve is, they won't like it. "Whaa, I lost all my vanity items when someone blew up my ship. That's not fair", etc. Therefore, in order to keep these player subscribing, CCP will have to change the fundamental mechanics of Eve, and specifically it's Holy Grail, non-consensual PVP. Also as a consequence of this, there could result in a dramatic purge of Eve's Veteran players, and thus Eve becomes a shell of it's former self full of whiny kids and instant gratification fans. This has the potential to totally ruin Eve, it is not a definite, but anyone with half a brain can see the writing on the wall. It's not rocket science. I think some change would make EVE more realistic such as disable insurance payment for those committed suicide gank. You(your family) surely do not get your life insurance payment if you commit suicide or if you get shot by police(in case you did something wrong) lol. And include penalty fine to pay for the loss of the victim. In real world when you get cough destroying someone property you have to pay isnt it. (unless you dont get cough). So in EVE high-sec that should be apply too. Buy I'm not so sure if this change happen will it make those so call "veteran" cry their eyes out. :P .... CCP likes ganking. I've had 2 dev's reply to me in a petition that they find suiciding an accepted feature and "an interesting game dynamic" and they have no desire to do anything to diminsh someone else's ability to engage in it. not yet anyway...lol
Nathan McGordon	Posted - 2011.06.06 05:36:00 - [1532] A question on paint jobs. How will this affect the existing paint jobs for specialty ships? For instance the Widow. Would someone be able to paint their Scorpion red and black to look like the Widow?
Nilania Telshua Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2011.06.06 14:41:00 - [1533] Edited by: Nilania Telshua on 06/06/2011 14:42:36 Edited by: Nilania Telshua on 06/06/2011 14:42:06 Originally by: Olivia Berett Edited by: Olivia Berett on 03/06/2011 06:05:55 Why should I bother Your first post ever: 2011-05-10 04:30:00 Your posts since then: 152 Your posts in this thread: 151 Post total in this Thread: 1531 99,34% of your post total are about this subject 9,8% of all posts in this thread are by you So either you are one of the best paid trolls ever or simply displaying a unique blend of narcissistic, megalomaniac and obsessive compulsive character traits... source:http://eve-search.com/search/author/Olivia%20Berett/forum/3512
EnslaverOfMinmatar Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.06 18:07:00 - [1534] Originally by: Nilania Telshua Edited by: Nilania Telshua on 06/06/2011 14:42:36 Edited by: Nilania Telshua on 06/06/2011 14:42:06 Originally by: Olivia Berett Edited by: Olivia Berett on 03/06/2011 06:05:55 Why should I bother Your first post ever: 2011-05-10 04:30:00 Your posts since then: 152 Your posts in this thread: 151 Post total in this Thread: 1531 99,34% of your post total are about this subject 9,8% of all posts in this thread are by you So either you are one of the best paid trolls ever or simply displaying a unique blend of narcissistic, megalomaniac and obsessive compulsive character traits... source:http://eve-search.com/search/author/Olivia%20Berett/forum/3512 PWNED uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
Leovarian Lavitz Minmatar Eternal Profiteers Santa Cruz Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.06 18:15:00 - [1535] I am very excited to see this come out! To be able to customize my character without impacting the game-play of others is epic. I understand that plex-prices may rise due to reduced supply and increased demand; yet I counter that most of the individuals who are selling plex are doing so to get something big and shiny. Sell plex to players so I can afford a big shiny something or other. Convert plex to Aurum and buy clothes. Works for me. And I'll be able to loiter in my captain quarters :D
Kno Bodeesbitch	Posted - 2011.06.06 22:07:00 - [1536] Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar Originally by: Nilania Telshua Edited by: Nilania Telshua on 06/06/2011 14:42:36 Edited by: Nilania Telshua on 06/06/2011 14:42:06 Originally by: Olivia Berett Edited by: Olivia Berett on 03/06/2011 06:05:55 Why should I bother Your first post ever: 2011-05-10 04:30:00 Your posts since then: 152 Your posts in this thread: 151 Post total in this Thread: 1531 99,34% of your post total are about this subject 9,8% of all posts in this thread are by you So either you are one of the best paid trolls ever or simply displaying a unique blend of narcissistic, megalomaniac and obsessive compulsive character traits... source:http://eve-search.com/search/author/Olivia%20Berett/forum/3512 PWNED Oh boy, internet stalker. Pretty sick.
Trocent Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:31:00 - [1537] This content can be given to us for no additional charge. CCP will get way more subscriptions from Incarna to justify the cost of making more content. Guaranteed. I am offended that they shove MTs on us after years of waiting and no word about MT. CCP will take a huge hit on subs because anyone no currently playing eve who want to experience incarna will not only need to pay a 15 dollar subscription, they will also need to buy individual items.
Sethose Olderon	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:54:00 - [1538] Edited by: Sethose Olderon on 07/06/2011 03:54:26 Originally by: Trocent I am offended that they shove MTs on us after years of waiting and no word about MT. CCP will take a huge hit on subs because anyone no currently playing eve who want to experience incarna will not only need to pay a 15 dollar subscription, they will also need to buy individual items. I agree they will take a hit, and they've fallen victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is to never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known is never abandon your current subscribers for vaporous new subscribers. Alliance Owned Stargates
Vandrion Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:04:00 - [1539] I qoute CCP Shadow from the PS3 blog on Dust514: "Hi Vorlord. DUST 514 wonÆt have a monthly subscription like a number of MMOs. DUST 514 will have virtual goods sales though, that allow you to buy various types of gear used in combat." "Hey Shoryukenll, YouÆve asked a few things I canÆt delve too deeply into, but what I can comment on is what you said about virtual items and real money. DUST 514 will support purchases made through both in-game earned currency and real money currency." Hmmmmm........ DUST514 is supposed to be tied into OUR Eve universe so now $$$$ for game changing items is one step closer...... http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/06/06/introducing-dust-514-a-persistent-shooter-from-ccp/
Vandrion Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:12:00 - [1540] Qouted from the Beginnings Blog on the Dust514 site: "DUST 514 will, as EVE Online does, have a dynamic virtual economy and market that offers the tools that will give you a competitive edge, when used skillfully. Players are able to purchase different gear to equip before deploying into battle, using InterStellar Kredits (ISK), the in-game earned currency of the EVE universe, or through real money currency, called Aurum (AUR). This provides players with flexibility and adaptability in how they approach a combat scenario. Certain items are only available through ISK transactions, while others are only available through AUR. These are then traded freely on a player-driven secondary marketplace." So... CCP is including AUR in DUST which further ties it into Eve and explains why CCP isn't listening to the feedback from the players. CCP also clearly states that AUR is purchased with RL money........ There should be absolutely ZERO arguments that AUR comes from anything other then RL cash money...... Monacles today. Game altering gear tomorrow!!!!! http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=1980

Sethose Olderon	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:26:00 - [1541] Nice find Vandrion! Add it to the growing pile of evidence. Alliance Owned Stargates
Elda Amamiya	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:36:00 - [1542] Originally by: Vandrion So... CCP is including AUR in DUST which further ties it into Eve and explains why CCP isn't listening to the feedback from the players. That statement is not entirely true. There are many people agree and support the new changes too. And I'm also one of them.
Sethose Olderon	Posted - 2011.06.07 07:02:00 - [1543] Originally by: Elda Amamiya Originally by: Vandrion So... CCP is including AUR in DUST which further ties it into Eve and explains why CCP isn't listening to the feedback from the players. That statement is not entirely true. There are many people agree and support the new changes too. And I'm also one of them. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1395464&page=1 Do you support the introduction of more Micro-transactions in-game? LAST TALLY: NO 79.03% \| YES 5.02% \| COSMETIC ONLY 11.23% \| OTHER 4.73% Alliance Owned Stargates
Georgiy Giggle The Sith Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.07 07:40:00 - [1544] Till there is subscription payment, there MUST NOT BE dotanable currency. Eve online IS NOT "FREE TO PLAY GAME". If you want to make it donatable, then remove subscription payment. Anyway, i'll rid of eve, either eve online becomes free to play, or eve online contains donatable currency.
Sarina Berghil Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.06.07 08:56:00 - [1545] Ouch, the Dust514 news sounds like real microtransactions are coming. :-( Unfortunately there are very few MMOs left with an economy untainted by real money transactions.
Soldarius Caldari Northstar Cabal Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.06.07 09:56:00 - [1546] New currency... you have got to be kidding. This is completely unnecessary. Totally. There is absolutely no discernable reason for it. Therefor, at this time I must caution all of you to don your tinfoil hat. Aurum (yup latin for gold hence the periodic symbol Au) is a method for tracking the conversion of PLEX for the new items. It is purely a gauge for determining the popularity of the shiny new feature, and how much RL cash is getting deposited into their pockets. Let's break it down a bit. PLEX-->Aurum for vanity items. This means there will be an initial increase in demand for PLEX as folks try out the shiny new feature. Greater demand means isk prices for PLEX will rise. "Those were 500 dollar sunglasses, *****." There will also now be a link between the values of PLEX, isk, and aurum. Since 1 PLEX always generates x amount of aurum, x aurum will always be worth the isk value of 1 plex, which today is just a shade under 400M isk. So how many tank-tops can you buy for 400M isk / 1 plex / x aurum? You vanity items will likely cost 100x more than POS fuel. The 5-step cycle for infinite aurum-making can be yours for only 39.95! Buy it today while supplies last! Take the 5-step cycle and throw it away. It is a theory that in practice, is not factual. While is is possible to take a PLEX, and work it all the way through the cycle, PLEX are not created in game from in game fake digital stuffz. They are created from RL cash given to CCP. Eventually, the in game supply of PLEX would be exhausted, and this is what CCP is counting on. At some point, we WILL have to buy more plex with RL cash to convert to aurum. PLEX are about to become a lot more expensive. Those of you who maintain your sub with PLEX can kiss your sub goodbye unless CCP keeps a finger on the PLEX/aurum value dial. I can't wait to see the aurum scams in Jita. Originally by:** Krutoj You dont have a supercapital? buy PLEX trade it for ISK, buy supers. Just like any other mmo you can use your RL to pimp your character out (or tank for that matter).
Xorth Adimus Caldari Blackwater USA Inc. Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.06.07 14:46:00 - [1547] Originally by: Vandrion Qouted from the Beginnings Blog on the Dust514 site: "DUST 514 will, as EVE Online does, have a dynamic virtual economy and market that offers the tools that will give you a competitive edge, when used skillfully. Players are able to purchase different gear to equip before deploying into battle, using InterStellar Kredits (ISK), the in-game earned currency of the EVE universe, or through real money currency, called Aurum (AUR). This provides players with flexibility and adaptability in how they approach a combat scenario. Certain items are only available through ISK transactions, while others are only available through AUR. These are then traded freely on a player-driven secondary marketplace." ! http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=1980 I saw this and thought the same Vandrion, basicly PLEX /AUR is used to give a real life $ for advantage in DUST. So if DUST becomes part of a corps/alliances equation in terms of protecting asset or even (gasp) part of a sov equation as it should do to become fully merged into a realistic universe. IF you can buy say a prototype gurista railgun and T3 black ops drop ship with AUR in DUST, apparently good stuff on the surface as CCP gets $ we get to sell plex for AUR, plex more in demand, more isk soaked up, no different then using 2 PLEX to buy a new carrier in eve only on a smaller scale.. 1. What will this do to inflation of real game assets in both games because of AUR demand? If AUR is the basis for DUST and incarna (even if vanity only?) transactions what is to stop it causing really serious harm to EVE ISK and PLEX market in general? 2. What stops people manipulating the AUR market which I am sure will be in MASSIVE demand far in excess of the (large demand for) plex produced today and hence screw up real game assets in both games. 3. What stops some filthy rich (insert nationality) kid buying up the plex /AUR market and ruling DUST with real life cash and screwing over eves economy and possibly more in the process (depending on how you tie in DUST?). I am aware that micro transactions are the 'new sexy' across the business today and it could CCP allot of additional revenue and market, which I agree is a good thing for CCP. However whatever model you use, by selling any real or perceived in-game advantage of any kind however linked to eve or its economy and no matter how small you risk directly or indirectly destabilising the actual player value /effort in game (not just player markets). In addition FTP will become harder and those that sub will find any real or perceived unfair elements in game distasteful and quit subbing. Selling out the trust of the loyal player base who really fund AND add the majority of in game content (stuff to shoot!). The fabled $ for content market is here today in gaming (a 'feature of the month' model if ever I heard it) however it is fickle and full of short term players looking for short term advantage and gameplay. Chasing this market is counter to producing and maintaining a stable popular MMO regardless of how many failing new MMOs (and lets just say there are ALLOT of them) are doing it. No real or perceived advantage should be purchasable in any what state or form in either EVE or DUST with real life money, or you will basically undermine the general player base and potentially break the game. The problem is this may not be sustainable with even the small changes proposed so far in addition to the potential massive advantage PLEX can give today (which despite its issues at least supports FTP market), with DUST it is another kettle of fish. I'd like CCP to reply to this as the CSM where having kittens over the details proposed to them a while ago and this is I believe only a little bit of it. 'But I, being poor, have only my dreams. I have spread my dreams under your feet. Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.'
Vandrion Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.06.08 14:50:00 - [1548] Edited by: Vandrion on 08/06/2011 14:54:43 "RPS: So, if IÆm an EVE player, how is my game going to change after DUST is released? Torfi: Well, you have the ability to be more strategic when you are conquering planets and solar systems, in nulsec. Those are the main touchpoints. Highsec carebears need not worry. The same for lowsec. The main touchpoint upon the launch of DUST, will be in nulsec, will be in sovereignty, will be in inflicting damage and destruction and death upon your enemies, destroying their infrastructure and their means to survive, either by means or scorched earth or by stealing their installations on the surfaces of planets. There will be more going on on the surfaces of planets. WeÆve introduced mechanics allowing people to manufacture goods on the planets, but planets will play a more pivotal role in sovereignty mechanics further down the line." Snippet of the RPS interview on Dust 514 So not only will the dust players spend RL cash to buy an advantage in their game, they will be using that RL cash purchase to buy an advantage in OUR sov warfare. This is why a lot of us don't want MT of any form in Eve. Our concerns do not matter as CCP has already planned the future and it is RL cash transactions to buy an advantage........ edit for spelling
Che Biko Humanitarian Communists	Posted - 2011.06.09 14:52:00 - [1549] Edited by: Che Biko on 09/06/2011 14:52:33 Jeez, I've rarely seen slopes get slippery so fast. I'm starting to wonder if CCP notices their apparent inconsistency. 1) CCP: MT only for vanity items in EVE 2) CCP: Pay real money for equipment in DUST 514 3) CCP: One Universe // One War To the casual observer (me) it seems that 1, 2 and 3 combined are incompatible.
krezhir' triglav	Posted - 2011.06.10 13:00:00 - [1550] mh, and in a Year you have to buy Aurums to get the Tech-3 Weapons and Ammunition for your ships just to get an advantage in Space like the Dust-guys do for their planets... Hopefully i'm wrong but Hey! With the new mechanics we will be able to buy SP too then! New player experiences ftw... no Learning-Curve anymore

Kasidis Gallente Nexus.6	Posted - 2011.06.11 05:00:00 - [1551] Oooo so many juicy doomsday predictions but, like always, life will go on. People will keep playing and things will be fine. As the goons like to say.... "deal wiz it"
Rigeborod	Posted - 2011.06.11 09:46:00 - [1552] Edited by: Rigeborod on 11/06/2011 09:48:13 Edited by: Rigeborod on 11/06/2011 09:46:55 Hello there! Sorry if this was already mentioned. I think adding Aurum makes PLEX obsolete. You can just exchange all plexes ingame into Aurum, give aurum for timecards and use aurum to pay for game-time. There's no need to make many instances which have the same purpose. Sorry for my English. Best regards, Alex.
Darth Helmat	Posted - 2011.06.11 10:11:00 - [1553] The whole conversation is pointless you can already buy game advantage for real money. This is what PLEX is.
Kasidis Gallente Nexus.6	Posted - 2011.06.11 22:44:00 - [1554] Originally by: Darth Helmat The whole conversation is pointless you can already buy game advantage for real money. This is what PLEX is. Exactly. Besides, Aur is vanity only, and will stay that way. CCP knows if they cross that line, they are dead. As for MT in Dust, Who cares? I could kick anyones ass in an FPS no matter what gun they buy
Vandrion Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.06.11 22:57:00 - [1555] Originally by: Kasidis Originally by: Darth Helmat The whole conversation is pointless you can already buy game advantage for real money. This is what PLEX is. Exactly. Besides, Aur is vanity only, and will stay that way. CCP knows if they cross that line, they are dead. As for MT in Dust, Who cares? I could kick anyones ass in an FPS no matter what gun they buy I am copying this quote from my thread in the Assembly Hall forum section. Adunh Slavy says it pretty well: Posted - 2011.06.11 22:29:00 - [27] - QuoteReport -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of this canard. Some say "What's wrong with MT, you can buy a PLEX and buy a character, and implants and stuff with the ISK, so why not some MT thing?" The purchased character, the implants and stuff were earned. Someone spent the time and the effort in the game to collect those items, train that character, make that ISK etc. In-game time and effort, labor, was expended by someone in the past. They took all the risks everyone else took, played the game, flipped our cans, we flipped theirs, we shot them and they shot us. But with this MT stuff, we're going to find a blurry line, they're already seeming to cross it in Dust and teasing to cross in Eve. So far the indications are that Dust players will use Aurum to purchase a BPO or some kind of "blueprint". They can then make and sell the items. Is that going to be cool with everyone in Eve when you can buy the T2 shuttle that has 50m3 of cargo, but the only source of the BPO was Aurum? I mean you can still buy the shuttle with ISK, you can buy the BPO with ISK if someone resells it - so that's ok huh? No, it's not ok. New functionality is introduced via a means that is has a source of risk, labor, time and effort that is outside the environment. CCP has already done this before with some of the boxed sets. The teaser is the Ishukone Scorp, then it'll be the Theology Council Maller, the Quafe Extra Scrumptious that gives +5% on selling your soul. I'm sure we've all heard the old story about putting a frog in water and turning up the heat. Enjoy the simmer. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1525143
Kasidis Gallente Nexus.6	Posted - 2011.06.11 23:13:00 - [1556] Originally by: Vandrion Originally by: Kasidis Originally by: Darth Helmat The whole conversation is pointless you can already buy game advantage for real money. This is what PLEX is. Exactly. Besides, Aur is vanity only, and will stay that way. CCP knows if they cross that line, they are dead. As for MT in Dust, Who cares? I could kick anyones ass in an FPS no matter what gun they buy I am copying this quote from my thread in the Assembly Hall forum section. Adunh Slavy says it pretty well: Posted - 2011.06.11 22:29:00 - [27] - QuoteReport -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of this canard. Some say "What's wrong with MT, you can buy a PLEX and buy a character, and implants and stuff with the ISK, so why not some MT thing?" The purchased character, the implants and stuff were earned. Someone spent the time and the effort in the game to collect those items, train that character, make that ISK etc. In-game time and effort, labor, was expended by someone in the past. They took all the risks everyone else took, played the game, flipped our cans, we flipped theirs, we shot them and they shot us. But with this MT stuff, we're going to find a blurry line, they're already seeming to cross it in Dust and teasing to cross in Eve. So far the indications are that Dust players will use Aurum to purchase a BPO or some kind of "blueprint". They can then make and sell the items. Is that going to be cool with everyone in Eve when you can buy the T2 shuttle that has 50m3 of cargo, but the only source of the BPO was Aurum? I mean you can still buy the shuttle with ISK, you can buy the BPO with ISK if someone resells it - so that's ok huh? No, it's not ok. New functionality is introduced via a means that is has a source of risk, labor, time and effort that is outside the environment. CCP has already done this before with some of the boxed sets. The teaser is the Ishukone Scorp, then it'll be the Theology Council Maller, the Quafe Extra Scrumptious that gives +5% on selling your soul. I'm sure we've all heard the old story about putting a frog in water and turning up the heat. Enjoy the simmer. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1525143 Hmmm well all we can do is wait I guess. I don't care too much for freaking out at CCP because things don't work out the way I want it too. PLEX has been around for a while and I seriously don't see it being a problem of using it for clothing instead of gametime. DUST is a whole different story. MT shooters are not favorable to people who buy weapons with real money. Trust me, I play alot of them. It comes down to skill in the end no matter what gun you have. Like I said earlier, things will go on as usual. If you want to quit, go right ahead nobody is stopping you.
Joshua Deakin	Posted - 2011.06.12 09:28:00 - [1557] Originally by: CCP Zinfandel The free clothing and accessories in the character creator are for choosing your character's default appearance. If you get podded, your new clone will awaken with this outfit. We don't intend to keep offering the full free clothing line each time you step into the character creator. Eventually you will see just the one free set and whatever clothing you have acquired. You introduce a nice new feature (Incarna) and then slowly strip away the features so that the only way to experience them is to use more real life money on top of the standard subscription. Boo. The way I see it, is that the new content is to keep existing players subscribed and court new players into subscribing also. This new scheme is just simply trying to follow up the bandwagon of those "kiddy" games like "goSupermodel"... Again. Boo.
Whim Aqayn	Posted - 2011.06.13 22:48:00 - [1558] No thanks, keep microtransactions out of this game.
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.13 23:04:00 - [1559] I will NEVER pay anything extra other than my subscription for eve. The moment there is something worthwhile, or necessary that has to be brought through AUR... I leave. If dust doesn't work as a subscription game, then I am ok with that being MT based as long as it doesn't bleed into eve game play. I expect things like corp/alliance decals on ships to be brought for isk only. I expect the 'free' clothes range to expand (at a lesser rate than non free clothes perhaps), not shrink. And you should never, ever, ever, ever, be able to buy a ship for AUR. The shortcut you announced in the AT panel is not acceptable. The in game player economy is the bedrock of EVE... Break any one of those and I will be seriously displeased. If I get effected by any I will quit. No amount of advertising will make me change my mind and buy stuff in eve. Advertising in general **es me off no end. If the reason as has been suggested for the loss of the station hanger is to try to encourage us to by vanity clothes... I want you to get the idea out of your minds because all it does is make me LESS enamoured with buying stuff. I really really really hate the idea that stuff is available in eve for anything other than isk. I don't care if it is just vanity items, if you can't afford to do everything at once... don't, pick something and do it well, then move on. __________________________________________________ Originally by:** CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Vandrion Gallente The Collective	Posted - 2011.06.14 00:16:00 - [1560] Here is a part of one of my posts in this thread RL $$$ Alter Our Game... Coming Soon My thread mirrors a lot of what is being said here. Pop in and post how you feel. Keep the topic in front of the CSM. MT even vanity items are immersion breaking. The same can be said of selling modules in the MT store. You are removing the players and their connection to the game. Selling items in the MT store only is very immersion breaking in this regard. A player wasn't involved in the following: Training the skills to build the item Gathering the material to build the item Building the item Hauling the item to market Selling the item on the market Absolutely no inclusion for the player. Removing player inclusion in the process also removes the players ownership and sense of accomplishment in the results. Eve isn't about having an easy button. Eve is about reaping the rewards of your effort. CCP has removed the Sticky from this thread so that it slowly dies... DON'T LET IT DIE!!!!! BUMP IT BACK TO LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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