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Dograzor The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:40:00 - [1861] Confirming that they are deleting posts without notifying. On another note, this thread is reaching 100.000 views in less then 24h. Shouldn't this tell CCP something? - "We don't gank, we just apply force in a disproportionate manner during an uneven tactical combat situation to maximize revenue and increase shareholder value"
Erichan	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:41:00 - [1862] The danger for CCP is that it will be all to easy to dismiss un-subbing because in reality noone quit anything. After unsubbing on my accounts, I realize i have 75 days till it runs out. Are they counting on this dying down in a few weeks and my weak will to not come back to eve-crack? I fear it wont really mean anything till its a hit on active accounts.. not subs.
Cyber Duck	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:41:00 - [1863] When Chribba, Akita T, and Milia, all start getting concerned... You know ****'s gettin real
Carmine Lady Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:42:00 - [1864] Edited by: Carmine Lady on 23/06/2011 19:43:21 Originally by: Dograzor Confirming that they are deleting posts without notifying. On another note, this thread is reaching 100.000 views in less then 24h. Shouldn't this tell CCP something? it probably is but they dont like us anymore, Im convinced ccp dont care. Originally by: Cyber Duck When Chribba, Akita T, and Milia, all start getting concerned... You know **'s gettin real When people like Helicity get banned from forum thats also when ** gets real
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:42:00 - [1865] Originally by: Dograzor Confirming that they are deleting posts without notifying. On another note, this thread is reaching 100.000 views in less then 24h. Shouldn't this tell CCP something? That the need to put their head deeper in the sand? or That they need to basically sack everyone and restructure this week? His name was John Turbefield! Truth.
Mac Aoidh Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:42:00 - [1866] I'm not just unsubbing but recycling my character. 9 hours till biomass. **** you CCP!
Reed Tiburon Caldari Future Corps Sleeper Social Club	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:43:00 - [1867] Originally by: leth ghost Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Originally by: leth ghost Originally by: Erichan Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 19:31:41 Does anyone know why Failheap is still down? EDIT : spelling http://i.imgur.com/5xJhp.png this was posted on there, then it went down ???????????? mmmmmm hmmmmmm remember the timing when that last happened.......... I wonder if they took it down themselves to reduce liability. Forums are somewhat protected from their users posts in US right? Was it US that made them liable? back up with post gone lol good job it was screen shotted and dl,d Again if anyone didn't read it: http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?p=392578#p392578 --- Which is the best DOOR picture??? Bartholomeus Crane speaks out! [img]ht
Doc Fury Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:43:00 - [1868] Originally by: Erichan Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 19:31:41 Does anyone know why Failheap is still down? EDIT : spelling His host cut him off. Originally by: trox Hosting company basically told me lol, **** your forum. I am getting a dedicated box, clearly the forums will be down for a bit, but it should be fine by tonight. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Scorpii Zenith Minmatar Ancient Heat	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:43:00 - [1869] Originally by: Masjheira What an idiot I was to actually think CCP was still concerned by the quality of their gaming experience... They care about money, nothing else. Time for me to look for another game. You know it's not FREE to make MMORPG game and constantly upgrade it. And if your business isn't making PROFIT, your doing it wrong. ****ing poor ass whining bitter vet losers
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:43:00 - [1870] Originally by: Cyber Duck When Chribba, Akita T, and Milia, all start getting concerned... You know **'s gettin real I missed Chribba and Akita T posting. They probably snuck it in while I was sleeping.... -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter

McSkeezy	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:44:00 - [1871] The sad thing is that for every person that unsubs, only two monocles need be purchased per year to recoup the costs. As soon as I see any confirmed non-cosmetic items in the cash-shop, I'm out. Frankly don't care about how much Monocles cost, because I never planned on purchasing any cosmetic items anyways.
Saris Jacinta	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:44:00 - [1872] What i do not understand, and cannot believe is that CCP is so Blind not to see what they do. Sony hat its Waterloo with SWG when they brought in NGE... against massive Community resistance. They believed that the Community will stay.. never ment what they do.. and that WE Players are none to take Seriuous. CCP look at Sony.. look what happend with SWG after they completely ignored the Player Base... You may think we will stay.. Most will stay.. but we have an eye on what comes, and one item can break the complete Game. Some may call us whiners.. who cares. I like this Game but i am not addicted and im not Married with Eve. If it turns ****.. i turn my back. Easy enough. One of the best parts is.. they want us to pay money for fitting slots.. as long as i can import my fittings from 3rt party.. Its useless.
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:44:00 - [1873] delete and moderate it as much as you want Linkage
Heimdallofasgard APEX ARDENT COALITION C0NVICTED	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:44:00 - [1874] Do people think we should seperate the EVE Dev team from ccp itself? if CCP are telling the eve dev team to implement this as their business model... then it's ccp's problem... not the eve dev team... who maybe split over the direction the game is heading. Apart from soundwave... he's a weekend warrior... plex for standings? hah... go grind like the rest of us you fool -------
Malachi256	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:44:00 - [1875] It would be interesting to hear comments from representatives of some of the big corporations. Does this change anything, will there be a disruption of corp leadership, etc.
Landlady	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:45:00 - [1876] Originally by: E man Industries Unsubing may not even show. Incarna will bring back some poeple just to see it. So sub numbers won't go down. Also despite the forum whinning people just don't care enough. They may think "wow thats dumb" and then undock as normal. Problem is if the "metrics" show this works it will affect the people who don't care. Rather than post they will just unsub, no rage, no threads they will just leave. Sadly, if the metrics show +cash for them, then it is what is 'good' for the game, and thus the community, and thus the players. Sadly, this is the truth, no matter how crappy it may sound.
Junkie Babe	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:45:00 - [1877] Originally by: Kallehd So, anyone has any ideias on when SW: TOR goes live? Now is looking like "the" timming! Supposdly october but it's Bioware, like blizzard they wont release till their happy could be next year. Thank you Regards Junkie babe
Gurgeh Murat Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:46:00 - [1878] This is NOT a whine post. Its a HOPE post. Dear "retch" CCP My three accounts will no longer be playing your game. Im sure the temporary influx of people who have no idea of what EvE was really about will temporarily fill the gap of me, and others like me, but you...YOU...have killed this game. Youve destroyed the player created/maintained sandbox. How so? More than 24hrs and youve not rebutted the leaked newsletter. False is easy to denounce. Youve done ** ALL. So pay to win is a "good news feature" on its way sometime soon. In game items out of thin air. Youve tried to gouge the people who fixed the holes in your otherwise unplayable game. to quote Professor Farnsworth "good news everyone, were ing you over" People paying out of their pocket to make YOUR game better. Youve lied to us. Trust is like a mirror. You can fix it, but you always see the cracks. Oh wait, youve not even tried to fix it. You recognize this is a niche game. That is, not full of **ed ups with no sense who can put some thought into a game. Thats not a bad niche. Yet you think we will not realize when you serve cow as fillet steak? You release a contentless "expansion" that provides NOTHING but a place to show off ridiculously overpriced vanity items. Ok, a few bug fixes, and I applaud that. But the basic message. MOAR MONEY!! You move the game to micro transactions without considering that microtransactions in a PAY TO PLAY game means were being charged twice. Once just to log on, and again to have any hope of being competitive. "oh but weve never said we're gonna move the game to microtransactions". Oryly? When one of your senior devs is massively in favour of it , I take that as a its gonna happen. EvE has moved into its end days. Your ing off all the people who read the forums e.g the folk who give a damn about your game. The majority of "noobs" dont read the forums. They dont stick around either. The people who have given you money over the past 8 years ARE the people who read the forums. And they have a voice. And an option. Lots of them really. I have many billions in assets. It doesent mean if im not enjoying what YOU are doing to the game. I can happily flit from World of Tanks to Champions online. FREE TO PLAY GAMES. If I like them, I can pay money to get better gear. Fine, outlined from the outset, and i know ill face people who have traded beer tokens (i.e. rl money) for an in game advantage. But this...THIS......... Yes brethren, I am more than mildly irate. But there can be hope. CCP, stop trying to milk a golden goose. Were not that demanding. fix the many bugs, keep a STABLE player base, enjoy the revenue and use it for whatever. Dont try to nickel and dime us. Dont try to milk us. Remember the people posting on here are the REAL (no disrespect) players of eve. You trade us in for transigent income at your peril. I paid for a friend to come back to eve a month ago. Because I had faith. Your destroying it. Bear in mind. IM not talking about changing my mortgage provider, or moving job. "meh, EvE has become **, ill play something else." Its not a big deal really. Or is it....Well I guess it is if you need my subs to keep your reconfigured herring factory running. GG CCP, gg.... Yours Gurgeh Murat Closed System Dr Fynemann
Tammarr	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:46:00 - [1879] Originally by: The Offerer Originally by: Tammarr Obvious CCP alt is obvious. That the best you got for a response not fitting with the general scheme? sure I'am CCP Soundwave glad to meet you. Saying I'am someone I'am not does not make the meaning in my post less true.
Tea Ester Elliot	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:46:00 - [1880] Originally by: Scorpii Zenith Originally by: Masjheira What an idiot I was to actually think CCP was still concerned by the quality of their gaming experience... They care about money, nothing else. Time for me to look for another game. You know it's not FREE to make MMORPG game and constantly upgrade it. And if your business isn't making PROFIT, your doing it wrong. ****ing poor ass whining bitter vet losers And yet so many mmo's of the past made money on just a sub fee. Others did the same thing with a free game charging for in-game items. Explain again why CCP now needs both (not to mention the most expensive in-game garb in history)?

Pat Morrison	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:46:00 - [1881] Originally by: Ein Spiegel Surprised not locked yet. But I didn't sift through the 55 pages. I'm assuming there's not a CCP dev response here. However. When I initially read the EN24 article, I concluded it was fake within 5 minutes. And this is why. It has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with Eve. It has to do with references to WoD content. The most damning is the reference to CCP Stephanie Myers. To start, they wouldn't allow a Dev name to match a real name. There are legal complications. But that's not the big reason this screams FAKE. The big reason, as any developer on the WoD team would know, is that the mere mention of that name will cause violence, pain, and suffering to the person that uses it from anyone that is hardcore WoD enough to attend Masquerade (which is the Camarilla gathering and somewhat like "FanFest" for Eve in the WoD world) and actually see the few tidbits CCP has shown about WoD MMO there. This is written by someone that thinks "Oh, a Vampire MMO would of course be just like Twilight." Which, if repeated in my presence, would lead to an immediate disemboweling. There is that much difference in mood, setting, and theme, as to cause physical pain if the two are in the same sentence. CCP devs know this. Why? Because White Wolf employees are on the team - they didn't all cut and run when CCP bought White Wolf publishing. The hardcore fans of WoD are such that they sued (granted, they lost... c'mon) over the image of the game when story elements and business requirements caused them to be upset. (This is why the Camarilla, which was independent, is now owned wholly by White Wolf - it's like me suing my favorite author because I don't like how their latest book upsets my fanfic. WoD players are in fact that passionate. Not too bright, sometimes, but passionate.) Of course, the DUST related comment also points to someone that has no clue what is going on... it blatantly contradicts what the CEO has already said about DUST. Dust will be free to download. Free to play. The only income stream from Dust is going to be MT. This was repeated again during the AT9 coverage. I just don't see this being real. (sarcasm) It's almost "fair and balanced", if you will. (end sarcasm) It is about on par with all of the other "quality" coverage you get at EN24. I'm not saying that I don't think CCP may be looking a lot closer at MT, and there may be parts of it that actually have some truthiness. However, I imagine part of the reason we don't see a CCP response to this yet is because, if it's fake, the author of the article and the entire EN24 website has just opened themselves up to a major liability in the "slander/libel" arena, and if it's real, it's a major liability in the "confidential"/"privacy"/"corporate espionage" area. Either way, lawyers may become involved, and they do not react quickly to forum posters. In fact, silence is a pretty good indication that some kind of legal action may be underway. After all that typing, I'd have thought you'd have gone to the pretty slight effort to look for the original, unedited version. Hint: The real names were mostly removed in the EN24 version, and sometimes not so well. The real name of that person is in the original, and it's not Stephenie Meyer or the misspelled one in the EN24 edit. I'm not linking to it, but it's available.
Cyber Duck	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:47:00 - [1882] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Cyber Duck When Chribba, Akita T, and Milia, all start getting concerned... You know ****'s gettin real I missed Chribba and Akita T posting. They probably snuck it in while I was sleeping.... Chribba Posted in another thread a week or so back about the 99$ "token" payment... akita t's in here somewhere though
Olaf Rasmussen Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:49:00 - [1883] Edited by: Olaf Rasmussen on 23/06/2011 19:50:01 -2 accounts. This is beyond salvaging
Dierdra Vaal Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:49:00 - [1884] Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 23/06/2011 19:49:58 Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 23/06/2011 19:49:46 lets not forget that CCP's Chief Financial Officer, Joseph Gallo, used to be Managing Director, Investment Banking at CITIGROUP. Yes, from the bank that nearly went under and needed a massive bailout from the US government. This was the same year that Gallo left (was fired from?) citigroup after working there 14 years. Just, you know, making sure it's not forgotten. Sources: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/joseph-gallo/20/726/64b http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122747680752551447.html Veto #205 * * * Director Emeritus at EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
Eladaris Frost	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:50:00 - [1885] Originally by: Tammarr That the best you got for a response not fitting with the general scheme? sure I'am CCP Soundwave glad to meet you. Saying I'am someone I'am not does not make the meaning in my post less true. You can't even be arsed to log into the game, does your opinion on a faceless alt really matter?
War Kitten Panda McLegion	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:50:00 - [1886] Posting to confirm I am shocked. I am shocked that CCP has a marketing/sales department and that they produce newsletters, and that their goal is to make money. Shocked I tell you. Anybody want one of our internal newsletters at work? We try to make money too. This has to be stopped. "Here's your sign..."
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:51:00 - [1887] Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot And yet so many mmo's of the past made money on just a sub fee. Others did the same thing with a free game charging for in-game items. Explain again why CCP now needs both (not to mention the most expensive in-game garb in history)? Ignoring the lolprice for the monocle for second, care to name one sub-only supported game that's still running?
Jim Luc Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:51:00 - [1888] One of the reasons that micro-transactions work is because they are MICRO. Usually for about $5 - $10 you could get a batch of things. These are vanity items. $80 for a stupid eye-patch?? Did someone really think it would be cool enough to warrant this?? No offense to the art people, it really doesn't look all that awesome. I think we are all a bit miffed because when someone thinks MT they think small amounts of money that is optional, ie vanity items. But that you could quickly purchase on a whim, along with a pack of gum at the end of checkout. Also - I fully expected the store to be completely stocked with lots of great things, each for $1 or $2, ie a single PLEX can purchase 15 - 20 items. This store should be stocked with at least 40 pieces of clothing available for purchase. Horse Armor was only $2.50... http://www.joystiq.com/2006/04/03/download-oblivions-horse-armor-for-a-price/
Ganthrithor Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:51:00 - [1889] My favorite was the bit about how "microtransactions will motivate us to produce better content-- if people don't like our offerings they'll keep using what they have rather than forking over more money for new features." I suppose I can choose not to use all the stupid Incarna stuff you've spent the last year(s) working on in exchange for a partial refund of my subscription money then, right?
Tammarr	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:51:00 - [1890] Originally by: Eladaris Frost Originally by: Tammarr That the best you got for a response not fitting with the general scheme? sure I'am CCP Soundwave glad to meet you. Saying I'am someone I'am not does not make the meaning in my post less true. You can't even be arsed to log into the game, does your opinion on a faceless alt really matter? It does. Does your attack on my faceless self mean you have no argument for what I'am saying?



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His name was John Turbefield!