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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Henry Haphorn Jesus Christ! I am not going to read 400+ pages of rants just to get an understanding of what's going on in this thread.
Ok to summarize this is what CCP said via a leaked newsletter... MT for all and if you don't like it:
and then there was Hilmar's leaked email that said don't listen to the players and Incarna was awesome.. Which really meant:
and then we players did 400 pages of this:
The story so far....
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1106/CCPRoyalsLaugh.jpg http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1106/StarWarsHelloKittyDarthVaderVanityItemsAlterPlan.jpg http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1106/CCPMMOofTheYearAward.jpg http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1106/EveFarmville.jpg http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1106/IncarnaWarping.jpg http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1106/CCPGag.jpg http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1106/CCPHilmarStayTheCourse.jpg
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Shintai
Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:14:00 -
[12242]
Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Henry Haphorn Jesus Christ! I am not going to read 400+ pages of rants just to get an understanding of what's going on in this thread.
Ok to summarize this is what CCP said via a leaked newsletter... MT for all and if you don't like it:
and then there was Hilmar's leaked email that said don't listen to the players and Incarna was awesome.. Which really meant:
and then we players did 400 pages of this:
Pretty much sums it up! --------------------------------------
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Askereus Sajuuk-Khar
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:17:00 -
[12243]
Where is some link to the original Hilmar's E-mail? That one where he told to not listen to us?
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:17:00 -
[12244]
Originally by: Askereus Sajuuk-Khar Where is some link to the original Hilmar's E-mail? That one where he told to not listen to us?
Google it and evenews24.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:20:00 -
[12245]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 18:21:53
Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Henry Haphorn Jesus Christ! I am not going to read 400+ pages of rants just to get an understanding of what's going on in this thread.
Ok to summarize this is what CCP said via a leaked newsletter... MT for all and if you don't like it:
and then there was Hilmar's leaked email that said don't listen to the players and Incarna was awesome.. Which really meant:
and then we players did 400 pages of this:
Still laughing :-D
Original size
^^ key quotes you're looking for
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Arvir Aris
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:24:00 -
[12246]
Originally by: Askereus Sajuuk-Khar Where is some link to the original Hilmar's E-mail? That one where he told to not listen to us?
evenews24.com
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:25:00 -
[12247]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 18:25:43 http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/26/eve-evolved-the-day-that-eve-online-died/
This article does a good job of detailing most of the issues in the "Perfect Storm". Page 2 for the real issues.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:25:00 -
[12248]
Originally by: Arvir Aris
Originally by: Askereus Sajuuk-Khar Where is some link to the original Hilmar's E-mail? That one where he told to not listen to us?
evenews24.com
Go on, link it ya scaredy cat.
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Askereus Sajuuk-Khar
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:30:00 -
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Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.
Hilmar = @$#%^ *&^%$#@ $#%#^
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:34:00 -
[12250]
The creative juices keep on flowing...
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1106/CCPPublicRelations.jpg
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:34:00 -
[12251]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 18:37:42 Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 18:35:39 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svpsLZDgFK4
Great video about how CCP work their PR.
edit: better less hype video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:38:00 -
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Iceland has a new flag to match their new constitution..
Here it is...
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splinters woodyard
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:39:00 -
[12253]
thay steal that of the french?
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Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: splinters woodyard thay steal that of the french?
Nope, its the new US army flag, since they returned from Afghanistan
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:41:00 -
[12255]
Originally by: Askereus Sajuuk-Khar Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.
Hilmar = @$#%^ *&^%$#@ $#%#^
Eve isn't really resistant to change.
No-one started bawling when ever CCP added new ships and new features. Ok, they normally did. But they were normally bawling at an unfixed old problem, a new problem, a blatant inbalance or something else.
To put it simply, when CCP said 'Here have tier 3 BS' no-one said '**** no we have enough ships'. They said things like 'Why aren't they better than tier 2 ?'.
That is rather different than CCP adding game breaking MT's. The problem is NOT with AUR or with the NEX store or even with change per se. The problem is that this is all setting a precedent. The appeal of eve is in its 'survival of the fittest and define your own destiny' themes. Also, we all were told that we all would play to the same rules and there was no way around it. No way to train faster, no way to buy your way ahead.
If anyone EVER buys themselves ahead, we have all been defrauded.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:42:00 -
[12256]
Originally by: Askereus Sajuuk-Khar Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.
Hilmar = @$#%^ *&^%$#@ $#%#^
CCP has done all this "research" with "outside professionals" to get metrics on the Microtransactions in Eve succeeding.
They are "staying the course" and we are "very predictable".
So, they shouldn't have to bother with us at all and just deploy the system and items full speed ahead.
I think we hit that "metric" that puts WoD at risk.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:42:00 -
[12257]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 18:46:18
Originally by: Govinda Sertan
Originally by: splinters woodyard thay steal that of the french?
Nope, its the new US army flag, since they returned from Afghanistan
oh man that's awesome, from now on the french have a come back!!!
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Askereus Sajuuk-Khar Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.
Hilmar = @$#%^ *&^%$#@ $#%#^
CCP has done all this "research" with "outside professionals" to get metrics on the Microtransactions in Eve succeeding.
They are "staying the course" and we are "very predictable".
So, they shouldn't have to bother with us at all and just deploy the system and items full speed ahead.
I think we hit that "metric" that puts WoD at risk.
tricky lil bugga :-)
Originally by: Katarlia Simov If anyone EVER buys themselves ahead, we have all been defrauded.
^^^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Kewso
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:44:00 -
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Don't forget to wear your monocles to the next ccp picnic -----------------------
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Zen Sins
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:46:00 -
[12259]
I'm not ****ed off about microtransactions. Frankly I could care less. I AM, however, ****ed off Gylfason lied straight to my face as an Eve player when he said:
"However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell ôgold ammoö for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesnÆt even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all."
That simply does NOT mesh with the context of the Fearless article which states:
"On the opposite end of the scale to vanity goods are performance based items such as weapons. They are consumed through gameplay, making them a potentially powerful source of renewable income. Selling them for real money is very tempting. They are highly desired by the player audience and yield lower development costs, as variation can be achieved through numbers rather than unique art assets. Selling them though, is highly controversial. We are planning on doing so. I would be tempted to say it is because we are fearless, but the real reason is that we have strong evidence that selling performance enhancers, in moderation, works. Korean developers have capitalized on performance-enhancing items for a long time, but it took a leap of faith from the people developing Battlefield: Heroes to show that the same principles that work in Korea apply for the western market as well."
How is any of the DEBATE? It is quite plainly a statement of FACT backed by given examples. It is NOT an argument that they "should" or "should not" do something. It is simply "WE ARE PLANNING ON DOING SO."
I do NOT appreciate this remedial attempt at spin from Gylfason nor the play for time afforded by the "emergency CSM meeting" on this issue. CCP should either HTFU and admit their plan, or reverse themselves and commit to CHANGING the plan.
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:48:00 -
[12260]
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Askereus Sajuuk-Khar Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.
Hilmar = @$#%^ *&^%$#@ $#%#^
CCP has done all this "research" with "outside professionals" to get metrics on the Microtransactions in Eve succeeding.
They are "staying the course" and we are "very predictable".
So, they shouldn't have to bother with us at all and just deploy the system and items full speed ahead.
I think we hit that "metric" that puts WoD at risk.
In all honesty, the biggest reason to keep this thread alive is simply to try and show that we are not so easily pushed around.
Also, I wonder what their projections were on AUR making money were like ?
I mean, even if they've lost two accounts for each monocle (which they easilly have) they are already down more money than this is worth, not counting development and design time.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:48:00 -
[12261]
Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 18:52:43
Originally by: Zen Sins I'm not ****ed off about microtransactions. Frankly I could care less. I AM, however, ****ed off Gylfason lied straight to my face as an Eve player when he said:
"However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell ôgold ammoö for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesnÆt even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all."
That simply does NOT mesh with the context of the Fearless article which states:
"On the opposite end of the scale to vanity goods are performance based items such as weapons. They are consumed through gameplay, making them a potentially powerful source of renewable income. Selling them for real money is very tempting. They are highly desired by the player audience and yield lower development costs, as variation can be achieved through numbers rather than unique art assets. Selling them though, is highly controversial. We are planning on doing so. I would be tempted to say it is because we are fearless, but the real reason is that we have strong evidence that selling performance enhancers, in moderation, works. Korean developers have capitalized on performance-enhancing items for a long time, but it took a leap of faith from the people developing Battlefield: Heroes to show that the same principles that work in Korea apply for the western market as well."
How is any of the DEBATE? It is quite plainly a statement of FACT backed by given examples. It is NOT an argument that they "should" or "should not" do something. It is simply "WE ARE PLANNING ON DOING SO."
I do NOT appreciate this remedial attempt at spin from Gylfason nor the play for time afforded by the "emergency CSM meeting" on this issue. CCP should either HTFU and admit their plan, or reverse themselves and commit to CHANGING the plan.
Fearless is an internal NEWS letter, it is not a discussion shop, if so, where are the employees responses to this NEWS letter? There are none.
Fearless is a NEWS letter and has one purpose, to inform the employees and to ensure THEIR NOSES ARE POINTING in the SAME DIRECTION as the COMPANIES DIRECTION.
Just because they argued multiple sides in the NEWS letter does not make it a discussion shop, nobody discussed after it was printed. In fact, quite the opposite is happening, look around Incarna. Look at their PR (Emails, dev blogs, attitudes)
Ever wonder why those Battlefield games have top leaders with CRAZY HOURS GAME TIME AND PLAYER POINTS reported on them? THat is how Korean games work. A cyber cafe installs the game, uses the SAME ACCOUNT for ALL CUSTORMES IN TEH CAFE.
They have the TOP SKILLS, so they dominate. Korean gamers ACCOUNT SHARE TO WIN in CYBER GAME CAFES.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:51:00 -
[12262]
Originally by: Zen Sins I'm not ****ed off about microtransactions. Frankly I could care less. I AM, however, ****ed off Gylfason lied straight to my face as an Eve player when he said:
"However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell ôgold ammoö for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesnÆt even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all."
That simply does NOT mesh with the context of the Fearless article which states:
"On the opposite end of the scale to vanity goods are performance based items such as weapons. They are consumed through gameplay, making them a potentially powerful source of renewable income. Selling them for real money is very tempting. They are highly desired by the player audience and yield lower development costs, as variation can be achieved through numbers rather than unique art assets. Selling them though, is highly controversial. We are planning on doing so. I would be tempted to say it is because we are fearless, but the real reason is that we have strong evidence that selling performance enhancers, in moderation, works. Korean developers have capitalized on performance-enhancing items for a long time, but it took a leap of faith from the people developing Battlefield: Heroes to show that the same principles that work in Korea apply for the western market as well."
How is any of the DEBATE? It is quite plainly a statement of FACT backed by given examples. It is NOT an argument that they "should" or "should not" do something. It is simply "WE ARE PLANNING ON DOING SO."
I do NOT appreciate this remedial attempt at spin from Gylfason nor the play for time afforded by the "emergency CSM meeting" on this issue. CCP should either HTFU and admit their plan, or reverse themselves and commit to CHANGING the plan.
Should cross-post that to the devblog thread, easier to see in text like that rather then disjointed from the argument on another URL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Kerppe Krulli
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:51:00 -
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This whole issue is something we really have to expect from a people that voted to not repay their debts to the international community. They're thieves and deadbeats only looking to get. They're going to get their ass handed to them in the international courts, their country defaulted on monetary debts, nobody will loan to them, they need something to bring money into the country.
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Luckytania
Gallente Bullets of Justice
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Smagd Edited by: Smagd on 27/06/2011 12:56:41 Hey Miilla:
I realize you're trying to raise awareness of this thread, but you're kinda overdoing the good. Is it really necessary to post at least 3 contributions each page, and also in yellow?
I'd kinda like for the important messages not to get buried in attention grabber yellow speculation, PC help requests and repeating yourself.
You and that Maximus guy hold over 6% of the contributions to this thread with the combined next three posters not reaching even one of your posts, so if CCP (or we) mentally subtract them that invalidates 25 pages of this thread already.
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Yes. The bad drives out the good.
IOWs, if too much 'null content' is present people will skip past or not detect the posts where people but some actual thought / effort into communicating.
Although, it's already way too late to be making this point, methinks.
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Azelor Delaria
Caldari Nova Ardour
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:55:00 -
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Quote: oh man that's awesome, from now on the french have a come back!!!
France: Hey, U.S...look, we know we pushed through the request for military action against Libya, but we realized we don't have the capability to actually sustain it...can you do the vast majority of...everything in it? ***** ***** ***** *****
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:56:00 -
[12266]
Edited by: Katarlia Simov on 27/06/2011 18:58:08
Originally by: Zen Sins CCP should either HTFU and admit their plan, or reverse themselves and commit to CHANGING the plan.
I agree with this in it's entirety. If they ARE going to MT superawesome special performance enhancing stuff then we should know NOW. If they are not, then we should similarly know.
The really big issue for me is that for a long time you've been able to buy 'performance enhancers' with PLEX isk, in the sense that you can buy creamy t2 and t3 with faction mods and so forth. But that was all inside the current economy. We are all ok with it. Most of us who sell PLEX do so to fund pure PvP careers, and we are happy that we have the option of doing so.
If CCP creates items out of thin air even just regular items, then any battle will essentially be decided by money. Real world money. It is exactly the same as him being able to click a button that says 'Pay $10 to blow this poor sucker the **** up'. EXACTLY THE SAME.
If some rich ****er can summon brand new fully fit ships to wherever he happens to be and I cannot, he will eventually win. Imagine trying to take a station system in 0.0 if that crap happens. I bring my 500 man fleet + supercaps across the galaxy. The bad guys just CTA and can in essense suicide themsevles into our fleet, safe in the knowledge that I cannot replace any losses (no stations) and they can just keep losing supercaps until we go away.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:57:00 -
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If you have questions at this point, you are wasting your time, unless you give those questions to the CSM.
Even then, it is a waste of time as the CSM is only there to make sure it is packaged up nicely for your acceptance.
Enjoy your rose coloured gift wrapped microtransactions.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:57:00 -
[12268]
Originally by: Luckytania IOWs, if too much 'null content' is present people will skip past or not detect the posts where people but some actual thought / effort into communicating.
Open eyes. Look again at this page. What do you see? Good content bumped and shouted?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Tagarr Nolen
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: Tagarr Nolen on 27/06/2011 18:57:52
Originally by: Azelor Delaria France: Hey, U.S...look, we know we pushed through the request for military action against Libya, but we realized we don't have the capability to actually sustain it...can you do the vast majority of...everything in it?
Plz return to your favorite trolling board and leave this thread alone.
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Sirus Prime
Caldari Xero Corporation SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:01:00 -
[12270]
Ok, new slogan for this thread, or rather The Thread. "The Thread- A never ending story."
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