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Driina
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Epitrope I don't pretend to speak for anyone else, but my concern has been with what I see as the lack of respect CCP has been showing for and to its customers. Unfortunately, when I say "CCP" here, I for the most part don't mean the devs posting in the forums and interacting with the player base. Instead, I mean the often-nameless higher-ups who decide things: the people for whom you are a mouthpiece, Pann.
The decisions that have been made, and the way in which they have been implemented and communicated, show contempt of, condescension to, or even outright mockery of the people with whom the world of EVE is being crafted. The CSM is being left out, the specialists aren't being consulted when decisions directly and primarily affecting their area of expertise are being made, asked-for feedback is ignored (much less unasked-for feedback), and when we raise our concerns (as has been happening with increasing volume lately), we are mostly met with silence.
Don't treat us as children. Don't treat us as sheep. Don't treat us as idiots. Don't treat us as an annoyance or a chore or a burden. Treat us as the thinking, mature adults that we are. Treat us with respect.
This. I don't want the customer relations people. I don't want to hear from lead-whatever devs. I don't even want Soundwave, who is a good dev that's embraced a bad idea. I want the people at the top, the ones who set overall strategy, to come out on the floor and be judged.
Also, I wouldn't complain if a "bizdev" or 3 was publicly crucified.
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Indorian
Pure Evil Warriors The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:20:00 -
[2102]
Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE Look at all those loser nerds beiing upset, cause they don't have the ISK to buy an ig eyepatch.
And if you buy a plex with RL money so you can get a viritual cosmetic item then you are the biggest moron walking on earth.
+1
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Rockstar from Mars
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:21:00 -
[2103]
Originally by: JaySee Denton DAMN CCP THEY WENT TO CHINA AND GOT ALL CHINA MONEY HUNGRY. NOM NOM NOM WANA MILK US LIKE COWS. MOOOOOO!!! .....
...the hell...
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okcerg
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:21:00 -
[2104]
No way I could read the 70 pages...
To CCP Pann: * I personnaly don't care at all about the monocle and other vanity items, you could sell it a thousand euros I stil wouldn't care. Just the price is hilarious. * I personnaly don't have anything against the CQ, as a matter a fact I think it could be a good thing to new players. * I personnaly don't experience that many problems with performances with Incarna (station environment is not loaded though). Do you think that point would spawn a threadnaught like the one we have?
What I DO care about though, is the FEARLESS newsletter you seem reluctant to talk about in the OP. That's my concern. Ask "the people who can to start getting those answers for [us]" about that.
Thanks
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Cosmoes
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:21:00 -
[2105]
Let me just say to those posting in this thread.
I just came back from a 3 hour long exam, when I left this thread was 12 pages when I come back it's 70. I love you guys for not letting CCP get away with this ------------------- piccy |
Turix
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:22:00 -
[2106]
Almost all of these issue we have with CQ were addressed on the fourms, by players, multiple times during testing - and you ignored them!
When 80% of your community doesn't want a feature, don't go and make it anyway - we pay your wages remember! __________________________
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Samillian
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:23:00 -
[2107]
Originally by: Jade Constantine Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and ôgetö what makes Eve great û and thatÆs the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not ôget eveö does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.
Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:
1. The Captains Quarters û itÆs not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible û if you have a bad graphic card itÆs a jerk fest û if you have a decent graphics card itÆs heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQÆs turned on û I can run it smoothly û but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQÆs on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.
CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a ôdisembark shipö option to the UI but ôoh noö to do that would have meant we werenÆt being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if weÆre to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.
2. If you read the newsletter youÆll see reference to saved fitting slots û and I donÆt know about you Verone but in JF weÆve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the ôbiz-devsö talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such ôminor upgrades.ö? How long till we pay aurum for extra corp standing slots? For wardec options? For a usable corp management screen?
3. And who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldnÆt you rather have engine trails and flashy cyno effect for all players rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store for a fleeced few?
Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.
So hereÆs the thing.
The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.
I donÆt want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really donÆt have much of a clue in business.
This says it all.
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Cutter Isaacson
Minmatar Fearsome Engine
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: xynix
Originally by: Death Severus
^^ This I can fully support +1 to you good sir
Same goes for me. Give us this, cut NEX prices by 90% and promise us in writing that you aren't introducing ships, ammo etc via the NEX store and pretty much every single person here will be happy.
Oh and a full apology from whoever decided to keep this from us in the first place.
Originally by: Urban Dictionary Bro we just got monocled by CCP
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Rex Liberium
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:24:00 -
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Pushing incarna, without any significant updates to eve's core gameplay. Pushing MT in 'an uphill battle' against your very own playerbase. Sealing the deal with greed is good.
I guess my sub-fee isnt good enough anymore. MT has made my a second rate eve-citizen, because I am not willing to MT ever.
I'll play till the current sub runs out, and the I'll go elsewhere.
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chins mcgee
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:24:00 -
[2110]
Wow.... This is depressing. I just renewed 2 accounts after a long break, want to know why? Because there is NO other game out there that gives me what EVE does. I have played many games in my 40 years...yea I'm old ...but absolutely none compare to the immersion I get when playing EVE. But now I find that may all be changing. I am not against change in a game, I in fact welcome it, BUT.....if the time comes when players are able to buy certain things I and so many others here have toiled for years to get, that will be the end for me. If I wanted to play a microtransaction based internet spaceships game I'd play Black Prophecy. I kind of like the idea of Incarna and hopefully it will turn out to be something great over time, but just try to ponder this, if you can glue the (somewhat limited) mind of a 40 year old to this game then you must be doing something right. For what it's worth CCP, if you do go the microtransaction you will lose many older and wiser players, yea you will most assuredly gain new ones, but the foundation this game was built on will be gone for good. This game has persevered for almost 10 years without this micro stuff and I'm sure it could go 10 more without it. My opinion...take it for what it's worth or don't take it at all. <shrug>
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Miklas Laces
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:25:00 -
[2111]
- make a public statement that game-changing items (ships, skills, standings) will never be sold through the virtual store
- make the captain quarters optional
- bring back the old hangar with spinning ship instead of the wall with the closed door
that is all ________________________________________________ CCP Claw > Sokata has been destroyed for boundary violation Drug Kito > Sokata you'll always be remembered as a noob in history of alliance tourname |
Florestan Bronstein
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:25:00 -
[2112]
Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 24/06/2011 07:26:37
Originally by: Joe Astor I have been reading the threadnaught, and read the leaked PDF. Far as I can see, the part Soundwave posted in it was part of a debate.
The problem is that prior to that debate CCP had already committed to one position - and that's the one championed by John Turbefield.
The idea to sell faction standings is not part of Soundwave's opinion piece, it's part of Holden's article and it is explicitly framed as a "service we are looking at" and "CCP is in the process of adopting virtual sales..." - it's not just one man's crazy pipedream.
From the same article is the quote
Quote: Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright.
These people are the Lead Game Designer (Soundwave) and the Lead Content Creator (Scott Holden) for EVE. Their words carry weight.
CCP is discussing options that they could never implement without breaking promises they made to their customers.
That's why many posters here are raging about "trust".
fakeedit: and my previous post was serious - stop talking about "vanity items" or CCP will screw you over with "services".
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w0rmy
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:26:00 -
[2113]
In a months time, this will all have passed, and little changed...
Kinda like, every major eve **** up since t20.
This isnt going to change, the desire to milk more and more money from the cow that is eve, will remain.
Theyll just create some new BS story, IA, IA for IA, or CSM, implimented poorly and fobbed off to us as a solution.
By all means, make our voices heard about this new state of BS eve has rolled into, however, its not going to change the fact, CCP care more about your money, than your gaming experience. History shows this, the future will too.
Its a shame. My passion with eve was started due to watching a mutual passion displayed by the developers.
But all I see these days is a passion for cash and status.
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:27:00 -
[2114]
Originally by: Manos Heimenbarger
I have included an image of a very quick paint storyboard to help visualize Make Everyone Happy
Take it or leave it, thats my idea on the topic.
I like the idea. Sadly CCP would probably show you the old hangar and leave CQ running in the background so that you can get that 'feeling' of looking away from the screen instead of the 'loading' blur, and then things would be even more screwed up.
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ |
Voltaire Leriel
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:27:00 -
[2115]
Though the content of this memo is rather disturbing, the most shocking thing for me is the tone of it.
It's extremely patronizing. Does CCP really see us as some kind of untapped cash reservoir that they need to exploit at all costs?
Are we just sheep with wallets, morons waiting to be duped out of our hard-earned cash for a piece of virtual cloth that costs as much or more than a real piece of cloth?
I think they severely underestimate the intelligence level of their playerbase, just how stupid do they think we are?
I've been getting a bad feeling about CCP for a while now... Every time I see a dev on the alliance tourney panel who doesn't know EVE from a hole in the ground.
I used to look up to CCP as one of the warmer and more understanding companies in the game industry. But I have lost a lot of respect for it today.
You guys don't know your game anymore, you don't play it anymore, you don't know your playerbase and you certainly don't know me or why I like or play this game, even though you have met me at several FanFests.
I have played since beta, I've never unsubbed my account, and I feel substantially betrayed. ______________________ BIG Lottery
BIG is Recruiting
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caldar ian
Final Destination.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:28:00 -
[2116]
for me this needs to be top of the list
1. Incarna and its pc destroying overheating issues. I would love to use CQ but its already killed my cpu and mb. So CQ is off great feature looking at a door.... not
2. The leaked memo, get some answers coming in, because your treating your loyal player base like dirt. ---------------------------------
Bio: Incarna burnt my motherboard and cpu out : ( |
Manos Heimenbarger
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:29:00 -
[2117]
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 24/06/2011 07:26:37
Originally by: Joe Astor I have been reading the threadnaught, and read the leaked PDF. Far as I can see, the part Soundwave posted in it was part of a debate.
The problem is that prior to that debate CCP had already committed to one position - and that's the one championed by John Turbefield.
The idea to sell faction standings is not part of Soundwave's opinion piece, it's part of Holden's article and it is explicitly framed as a "service we are looking at" and "CCP is in the process of adopting virtual sales..." - it's not just one man's crazy pipedream.
From the same article is the quote
Quote: Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright.
These people are the Lead Game Designer (Soundwave) and the Lead Content Creator (Scott Holden) for EVE. Their words carry weight.
CCP is discussing options that they could never implement without breaking promises they made to their customers.
That's why many posters here are raging about "trust".
fakeedit: and my previous post was serious - stop talking about "vanity items" or CCP will screw you over with "services".
Very good point, I don't want to see any services in there either. If they promise no non-vanity items and use that to get technical and release "services", that could be just as bad.
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Rex Liberium
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Voltaire Leriel Though the content of this memo is rather disturbing, the most shocking thing for me is the tone of it.
It's extremely patronizing. Does CCP really see us as some kind of untapped cash reservoir that they need to exploit at all costs?
Are we just sheep with wallets, morons waiting to be duped out of our hard-earned cash for a piece of virtual cloth that costs as much or more than a real piece of cloth?
I think they severely underestimate the intelligence level of their playerbase, just how stupid do they think we are?
I've been getting a bad feeling about CCP for a while now... Every time I see a dev on the alliance tourney panel who doesn't know EVE from a hole in the ground.
I used to look up to CCP as one of the warmer and more understanding companies in the game industry. But I have lost a lot of respect for it today.
You guys don't know your game anymore, you don't play it anymore, you don't know your playerbase and you certainly don't know me or why I like or play this game, even though you have met me at several FanFests.
I have played since beta, I've never unsubbed my account, and I feel substantially betrayed.
I think they see their playerbase as a bunch of 15 year olds who think pew pew is fun and pay with our fathers CC. In reality we are all far past puberty and know the value of money and have the intellect not to fall for MT-mallarky.
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Isis Soryu
Caldari Universitas Interimo Research
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:30:00 -
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Originally by: Miklas Laces - make a public statement that game-changing items (ships, skills, standings) will never be sold through the virtual store
Sorry but this is not enough, they've lied to us twice about this MT crap. Once last year when they said MT would not be coming, then again when they said MT would be vanity only. Why in god's name would you ever trust another word out of their mouth?
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Adophnil
Amarr Dark Reality Unified INVICTUS ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:30:00 -
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No matter how much we scream, you as a company have made it very clear what road will be traveled when it's all said and done. I have absolutely no faith whatsoever anymore than anything you say can be taken even remotely at face value.
I'm thoroughly not looking forward to reading your devblog post tomorrow only because it seems so clear that your going to ram MT down our throat no matter whether we like it or not. Threadnaught = Roadblock. That is all. Carry on with the rage.
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Indy Rider
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:31:00 -
[2121]
Originally by: w0rmy In a months time, this will all have passed, and little changed...
Kinda like, every major eve **** up since t20.
This isnt going to change, the desire to milk more and more money from the cow that is eve, will remain.
Theyll just create some new BS story, IA, IA for IA, or CSM, implimented poorly and fobbed off to us as a solution.
By all means, make our voices heard about this new state of BS eve has rolled into, however, its not going to change the fact, CCP care more about your money, than your gaming experience. History shows this, the future will too.
Its a shame. My passion with eve was started due to watching a mutual passion displayed by the developers.
But all I see these days is a passion for cash and status.
This will have a lasting effect.
Instead of free advertising of "EVE has walking in stations in its latest free expansion".
Readers are now seeing "$70 for a space sim monacle".
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DeadDuck
Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:31:00 -
[2122]
Originally by: CCP Pann Edited by: CCP Pann on 24/06/2011 00:50:29 As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Noble Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the CaptainÆs Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna. I would appreciate it if you would confirm my observations or tell me what IÆm missing...
You are missing the whole Newsletter that's what you are missing...
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Deimos Barret
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:31:00 -
[2123]
Okay, so from reading/skimming over the last 2000+ (WOW) posts in this thread, allow me to summarize CCP's IMMEDIATE priorities from the community based on number of requests.
#1- AUR For NON-vanity Items - WE DO NOT WANT THIS... PERIOD. It will be a game-breaker, giving IRL wealthy folks an unfair edge over us poor folk. A DEFINITIVE answer on this tomorrow will go a long way to quelling this pitchfork mob
#2- TRANSPARENCY- This means a clear line of communication between CCP and its customer base. I know this was a subject of talk during fanfest. Let's make it so. If you say you are going in X direction, DO SO. If you later decide you cannot/will not, jot out a quick DEVBLOG and just say 'hey folks, we're going to do Y instead, here's a quick reason why.' MOST people on this forum are rational and understand you are human beings. That being said, humans are social creatures, we APPRECIATE COMMUNICATION.
#3- OPTIONAL CQ- Solutions as follows: A) During FAN Fest when CQ was first shown, you docked a Mega in a station, then pressed a button (amusingly receiving the standard "YOU"RE NOT ON BOARD YET" error message) which then allowed you to de-goo and enter CQ. Enable this option B)As someone on this thread previously said, place in GENERAL SETTINGS an option for which environment you would prefer for default docking (OLD HANGAR, CQ, WALLPAPER)
#4- RESOURCE HOGGING/LAG- CQ is DEFINITELY more demanding than the standard hangar environment. Solutions as above.
#5- CRASHES/INSTABILITY- As above. That's all debugging/optimization stuff that was supposed to be worked out on SISI. While you will of course not get everything in beta, this is by far the buggiest expansion to date (In my 4 years in game anyway) RAPID work to fix these issues should be the FIRST priority from the bug team.
#6- 0.0/SOV/FACTIONAL WARFARE - These issues are as old as EVE, SOV, and FW themselves. CCP Needs to put a team on these issues until some TANGIBLE changes are made.
#7- All other *****ing and moaning that has been going on for years.
#8- Ship/Content delivery in the form of new ships, items, and game mechanics. (T3 frigates(what ever happened to the rest of the planned T3 line of modular ships?) Tier 3 BC, Tier 4 BS, etc, etc.
#9- DUST 514 Development- This is being handled by a different studio, why does it seem like it's still dragging down production and sapping resources from EVE, your CURRENT money-maker? Also, FOR GOD'S SAKE, MAKE IT FOR PC and you would quadruple the amount of subs you'd get for it.
#10-WOD- This is yet ANOTHER studio working on this, yes? Why again, as with Dust, does it feel like the existence of WoD feel like it's draining time and resources from EVE? (Personally, I can't wait for WoD, but if it will be at the cost of the quality of EVE, I'll pass and go back to VTM tabletop, thanks)
Here you are, and somehow it came out to a nice, even 10-point bulletin for what you need to attend to. Also, the semi-thought out, non-witty quips from Manifest are completely counter-productive and I'm glad to see that Manifest has gotten back on track with posting. I COMPLETELY understand the amount of work that went into the development of Incarna, (computer animation graduate) and you should be very proud of it. However, this doesn't mean you can just drop it and start dedicating resources to other ventures(MT) before you FINISH delivering on the vision of Incarna. What you have given us is a point-release at best. It's Incarna v0.5. Your MAIN focus for the community right now needs to be to address the current mob regarding your horrendous pdf leak, playing DC II with this mess and regaining the trust of your customers, then getting back on INCARNA production and addressing the hiccups it has caused.
Thank you CCP, I love you. Don't make me regret this bold admission.
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Savion Chastis
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:31:00 -
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You develop a game because it is what you love to do. You support a game because it is what we PAY you to do. You decided to turn a hobby into a business, it became ours then. You work for us, not the other way around. Listen to your players because they can sink you and send you back to stage 1. Except you will not have the passion you had then. It will be desperation, it will be because you have bills to pay. You have lost touch of what gave you the game you had. I suggest getting back in touch with that passion again and start making a video game. You aren't that big-time CCP. You exchange quality for quantity and you deserve the torches that are held closely to your pyre. Choice is yours I would imagine ... or is it? Did you sell yourselves(and us)out already?
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Cola Kid
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:32:00 -
[2125]
I feel sorry for you Dev's. I read half of this thread before I decided to go to the end and post. I hope you found the "nuances" you were looking for.
Anyway to my point.
Look I can understand MT. I realise that your a company and that you have been going for 8 years now, and maybe you look at the people who make wow and lotro and wonder why you are in an old fish factory and don't drive a Ferrari.
Im a lowly looked down upon high sec player but even I have seen the problems within EvE from high sec all the way down to 0.0. The player base has been unhappy for a long time but they can be a pack of rabid dogs at the best of times. But I read the notes about your work with Python the GIL and Bluenet and it made me think that everyone was wrong and that really you deserved the benefit of the doubt.
And now the Leaked document.
It more than a slap in the face that you brought in MT after saying you wouldn't.
This is something much more fundamental. You have made the players believe that we are nothing but money to you. That you have seen our patience and decided it can be used for your benefit. Pushing releases and fixes further and further back to fulfill your own hidden agenda while ignoring everyone.
It might not be whats going on from your side.
But look from the other for a while. You make 3 differnt games and you have constant calls from your main Game "EvE" to spend more time doing work on it. Then you tell everyone your not going to do something. then you tell them your doing all this cool stuff. but you never fix the things everyone really wants fixing. Then you read that you are nothing but a cash cow. What kind of response would you give?
By the way why exactly did you decide to make 3 games? Did it never occur to you that if you used all the manpower and knowledge you have spent on WoD and Dust and put it all into EVE you would probably have the worlds biggest game by now. that would mean no need for MT or anything like it and EVE would probably already have full walking in stations and on planets.
P.S If your a DEV and actually bothered to read this or even this far I can very simply prove something to you. Find a new player and ask them to use the corp UI. Then tell them to read the EvE wiki on how to find out how to use it. That will tell you all you ever need to know about what at a fundamental level needs fixing and will ever stop you from getting a bigger player-base.
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Whim Aqayn
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:32:00 -
[2126]
Pann,
I appreciate your time and realize it's probably just as big a mess for you guys as it is for us, but I think you missed the major cause of the complaints.
Like many others I don't mind CQ, I'm certain it will grow into something that enriches the game. I also don't mind the aurum prices since I wasn't going to buy anything in the store anyways. Lastly, I'm not angry because of performance issues, although I realize it's important to deal with them.
What makes me angry is how CCP allegedly plans to proceed with the microtransactions model. For if this is indeed true there is no reason for me to spend my time here any longer and I do not like to waste my spare time.
Please be aware of this and relate it to the appropriate parties.
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Decon Ko
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:32:00 -
[2127]
The problem is fundamental: CCP believes Greed is Good, we tend to disagree. --
This: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1248088 |
myrddhyn
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:33:00 -
[2128]
So all these hours/months/years of working on Incarna and this is what you guys came up with...
A cash shop and I can walk around my closet. How about adding some real content? I hope all the money you get from AUR goes straight to the advertisement department cause you guys totally underestimate how desctructive ****ing off your playerbase is. And tbh I'm pretty sure you'll need a lot of cash to stop all the bad press you'll get from this. A lot of people defending your game for years and actively convincing people to come play this wonderfull game you HAD will stop doing so. I don't know who came up with this terrible idea, and i'm sure when you were all sitting there in the meeting room it sounded like a great idea, but trust your players it doesn't. Your playerbase hands you the solutions, just listen.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:33:00 -
[2129]
Originally by: Nybbas
Except he is right, and you are a miserable troll.
Feel free to ignore me then, jackass
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ |
Suicide Failed
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:33:00 -
[2130]
Asking for parley whilst your stood on the gang plank is a little bit too late!
CCP should be keelhauled for their lieing.
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