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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dawne Xi This and the various Akita T posts about most of this.
Heh, mentioned you in a round-about way just a bit ago. I seem to recall we talked that we need some serious AO action in CQ yeah?
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Elondris Singh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Elondris Singh
Originally by: DeadDuck The 1MÇ question is...
CCP is all this decided yet or not ? Can you please tell us in advance if all the whining in here is worth it, and actually try to do something about all the Player base concerns or your going forward anyway ?
Please answer the question so I can decide if I keep paying the subscriptions or not.
TY
Manifest has said that the Aurum cycle is here to stay. I hope it is deeply reconsidered, however.
I don't give a f**ck about vanity items, I'm more worried about the Power advantages they mentioned.
I don't like the idea of Aurum, but if it must absolutely stay then I am with you completely. Like I said, I'd rather see Amarr Navy Uniforms bought with Amarr Navy LP. Monocles bought with LP from a cybernetics corp or something. ____ "There was a time in the evolution of all things that work, when it didn't" Thoughts on Incarna |
Sur Jamkar
Z3R0 RETURN MINING INC. Rura-Penthe
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:16:00 -
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Edited by: Sur Jamkar on 24/06/2011 09:16:21 Hitl*r is just as upset about Incarna as we are!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
___________ Sur Jamkar Exclusive Fan Podcast for Eve Online and Dust514 players. Visit http://podlogs.com/Overwatch514 to listen to Overwatch-514. |
Aganola
Amarr Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sur Jamkar And where the **** is the CSM??!? Where is our elected council??? I bet CSM5 knew about this but couldn't speak more than they did because of the NDA you hit em with.
This was very poorly played CCP.
The CSM cannot do anything about this. NDA is binding them in chains. And in case of any breach, the whole bunch is flown off to the Icelandic Rura Penthe...
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sur Jamkar 4 less subscriptions CCP as of today. The ball is in your court to have me re-activate them.
I'm sad that after 5 and a half years of enjoying this game - you've chosen to ignore your player base. To ignore some of your own employees as well I bet.
This stinks horribly of SOE's decision to create the infamous SWG:NGE. It's a pity history isn't learned from more often.
But maybe sometimes lessons are learned better through a little tough love and as a parent - I have to let my toddler learn on her own that she is making a bad mistake by touching a hot surface after I told her not to. So must it be with CCP.
To fix it though: We want Hellmar. We want Soundwave. We want video. We want sincerity and serious promises to undo all of this and not return back to it. But I warn you - even after that... no promises you'll see many return.
And where the **** is the CSM??!? Where is our elected council??? I bet CSM5 knew about this but couldn't speak more than they did because of the NDA you hit em with.
This was very poorly played CCP.
The CSM like SOE's Senate for SWG is a joke. It was never meant to be a functioning entity. It was only a firewall between the player base and the devs, nothing more nothing less.
One does have to wonder if with the plethora of NC CSM delegates, that the NC decided to fall so fast and not fight due to what they had seen. Even the Russians were surprised how fast they fell. It raises an interesting question.
CCP is at the moment SOE was in Nov 2005. They still have a choice, but go the wrong way and you lead to ruin and disaster.
The winter expansion had best be the best expansion put out since RMR. I mean ships, mods everything. Or the damage may well be to great for EVE to survive.
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Bruceleeng
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:17:00 -
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CCP assigning somebody that doesn't have the answers or can't answer/apologize/explain CCP GREED IS GOOD, shows again incompetence of CCP or the fact that they just don't care about the players. Well, GREED IS GOOD showed that it's the later, so I don't know why I even bother to write here.
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Florestan Bronstein
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 24/06/2011 09:19:42
Originally by: Elondris Singh
I THINK that was soundwave, not manifest - but I could be wrong. I don't feel like going back over the threadnaught. Nonetheless CCP as an entity said this.
It was CCP Shadow - he replied here a few months later.
His excuse is that he basically said "there won't be" when all he really could have said with certainty would have been "I am unaware of any plans".
Note how less than one year ago most posters were like "microtransactions no way" and now the prevailing attitude is "microtransactions for vanity items only is ok".
As long as you behave like that CCP won't change...
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Aganola
Originally by: Sur Jamkar And where the **** is the CSM??!? Where is our elected council??? I bet CSM5 knew about this but couldn't speak more than they did because of the NDA you hit em with.
This was very poorly played CCP.
The CSM cannot do anything about this. NDA is binding them in chains. And in case of any breach, the whole bunch is flown off to the Icelandic Rura Penthe...
NDA doesn't matter now. CCP is dead and will be way too busy wrapping up the company to chase around NDAs.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Elondris Singh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: Elondris Singh on 24/06/2011 09:18:08
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Originally by: Elondris Singh
I THINK that was soundwave, not manifest - but I could be wrong. I don't feel like going back over the threadnaught. Nonetheless CCP as an entity said this.
It was CCP Shadow - he replied here a few months later.
His excuse is that he basically said "there won't be" when all he really could have said with certainty would have been "I am unaware of any plans".
I stand corrected. ____ "There was a time in the evolution of all things that work, when it didn't" Thoughts on Incarna |
Atanalvi Mernher
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:18:00 -
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Thanks CCP Pan for making this thread. I know CCP will get us some answers. I feel I won't like those answers, but answers non-the-less. However there is one thing I would like to see happen, since he's in the middle of this.
I would like whatever response from CCP on this to be from CCP Soundwave.
I want to hear what he thinks now that he has some feedback from the people who pay his salary (monocles)
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Hoya en Marland
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:19:00 -
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lol they won't make CQ optional you ppl can forget about it - they didn't spend years developing... something... to be only a mere checkbox in your game settings
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DeBingJos
Minmatar Jukebox Warriors
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:19:00 -
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About this expansion: CQ: not optimized but this is not a game breaker to me. I love the idea of walking in stations. New turrets: I love them. NEX: Hate it, even for vanity items. But I can live with it if it is ONLY for vanity items. (vanity item = item that does not influence gameplay or character stats, only the look of the character or ship)
What bothers me most is not even the leaked pdf. What bothers me most is the direction CCP is taking the game. Real $ does not have a place ingame. I would even agree to raise the subscription. When I play a game I don not want it to be influenced by real $, that is what real life is for.
I'm really interested in the answers from CCP, but I think it will be to little, to late...
My sub is canceled over this, but I'm willing to reactivate if they reconsider on the MT front. (But I doubt it)
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Nuu Tone
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:20:00 -
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Dear CCP,
You could very well not have to change anything in this game and still keep a healthy number of subscribers. There are bugs aplenty to be fixed, and performance can always be tweaked. Adding new content (ships or what have you) is always a sure bet, and standardizing graphics (rather than improving them) will also be welcomed [e.g. updating the maller hull, and other hulls].
The bottom line is you have a cash cow here that is loyal and does not need too much tendering to. Just keep circumstances the same and it will stick around. Introducing random and turbulent ideas such as the Arum store was a huge error. Pricing the items highly was equally poor judgement. The internal memo notes that you all plan to continue along this vein - which is even more damning.
In the past few days since Incarna I have seen more people than ever before cancel their accounts. Some of the long standing members of my corp are quitting, directors included, all canceling and planning to swap to other games or MMOs.
We are frankly disgusted by the behavior of your colleagues and their intentions. All of us have invested time and money into living in a universe that you all created and it was never an easy choice to say goodbye to it. This time we did not even get a chance to say goodbye; it is just gone.
Goodbye CCP.
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Sakura Zendragon
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:20:00 -
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Edited by: Sakura Zendragon on 24/06/2011 09:21:28 Holy threadnaught, Batman! It's growing faster than I can read it!
I think the biggest points of concern have been very eloquently put forth by others, so I'm not going there again, but I'd just like to throw this out there (somehow I don't think I'm the first though):
Doesn't "Noble Exchange" and "Aurum" sound incredibly lame and somewhat-WoW-like?
Can't you find something that sounds more sci-fi and less high-fantasy?
edit for the obligatory: Posting in an epic threadnaught/can I have your stuff/<insert current meme here>
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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hoya en Marland lol they won't make CQ optional you ppl can forget about it - they didn't spend years developing... something... to be only a mere checkbox in your game settings
Well, the problem then is that while they spent those years making it, they also spent those years telling us it in fact would be optional.
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Turix
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:21:00 -
[2416]
Quote:
As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Noble Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the CaptainÆs Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna.
First of all, while the prices in the Noble market are a joke, we don't want the noble market full stop - the entire thing is a joke. This issue was crowd sourced a while back via the CSM, and almost 80% of your player base (Of those that voted) do not want micro transactions, full stop end of story; yet you seem to have taken the fact that about 15% (5% invalid votes/abstained) would be OK with it as an go ahead that the community supports you? Get rid of it, its a failed experiment that is only garnering you bad press and player hate, save face while you can - it would go a long way to putting a positive spin on this entire debacle.
Secondly Captain's Quarters, well quite frankly why should I waste my breath, all of the major issues we have have been discussed AT LENGTH in both general discussion, the CSM forums and the test server forums and for the most part these issues went unanswered or got token responses. The first issue is making it optional, people wanted to keep **** spinning and have CQ available as an option to disembark your ship - yet you feel it necessary to force us to play barbie with your new engine even though it gives us no game play benefit. Yes you've made a nice pretty engine, good job, you shouldn't have released it until it provided content that improves or extends the game rather than simply looking pretty. Next is the lack of content, not only have you released this without game play benefit, it is also lacking actual content you have only released on model of CQ, so we get Minmatar CQ at every station, this is just plain lazy; you should have waited AT LEAST until you had all 4 races finished and ready. Character controls and speed, the character is too slow and has no run option which makes moving around in the CQ boring and generally undesirable on top of this the controls for moving, turning and looking are slow and clunky - not smooth at all which makes it feel like everything is running at a low FPS, even though you're actually running at 60+.
Finally the performance issues associated kind of speak for themselves, when we are in the station, generally speaking we are AFK or not doing anything - this is the time when our PCs should be doing the least work, not the most! I don't want to go AFK and come back with a graphics card that sounds like a jet engine - its completely unreasonable!
At this point I think the best bet is to revert the patch, and redevelop/abandon the features of it since it is clearly very unpopular, yes I agree it contains some good features such as the new agent finder, but these can be released on their own, separate from the unpopular bloat that is CQ and the Noble exchange. __________________________
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:22:00 -
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I understand that CCP needs to make more money. I understand that you guys want to develop new games as putting all your eggs in one basket is very risky, especially in the precarious area of MMOs and gaming in general.
But given the communities well established dislike and distrust of micro-transactions, wouldn't just raising the sub fee been the better option? Sure it would have stirred up some irrational rage, but most would accept that inflation causes everything to go up in price soon or later, and for most I believe it would have been the preferred option at no development time cost for you. If the price for 1 month sub, or a plex, was raised by just Ç2 you would get increased revenue of approx 11%.
The negative PR, both within the existing community and amongst potential subscribers, will almost certainly cost you more that you stand to gain from micro-transactions. Especially considering the ludicrously high prices which has stifled take up, and sent the isk price of plex back down on the assumption that this isn't going to burn though as many plexes as first thought.
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Cutter Isaacson
Minmatar Fearsome Engine
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:22:00 -
[2418]
THREAD STILL NEEDS GLUE!!
Originally by: Urban Dictionary Bro we just got monocled by CCP
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Hoya en Marland lol they won't make CQ optional you ppl can forget about it - they didn't spend years developing... something... to be only a mere checkbox in your game settings
You think they spent years on CQ...oh Lord what a maroon. At best this was 6 months of coding.
Given performance so far I doubt their engine can handle interaction between players with their avatars. The system is far to taxing. Remember your just loading your own quarters and your own avatar now and even good machines are risking overheating. Add more polygons to the equation and you'll melt some.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Hoya en Marland lol they won't make CQ optional you ppl can forget about it - they didn't spend years developing... something... to be only a mere checkbox in your game settings
You mean like WH, sov and everything else they've never touched upon?
However, you're right. CCP will force us to beta test the WOD engine.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: NightCrawler 85
And i also realize that you can just say "This was just sent around to our employees to get an discussion going,it was never set in stone" but it wont make a differense. You said this would NOT happen,over and over again. If you actually meant that you wouldent have a need to discuss it,internally or public. I dont know what you can say to make this look like an honest mistake,and im sorry about that because i truly wish you could.
Yes, why was it being discussed at all? MTs, from Eve to Dust, will create dust and cobwebs in the empty hallways of stations.
Wanna MT up some Vamps? Go for it, the Emo Vamp Camp is all about image, they'll eat it up if the prices are reasonable, they won't stick around long, but then that may not matter, or does it, CCP?
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Xia Kairui
Lone Star Exploration
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Zendragon
Doesn't "Noble Exchange" and "Aurum" sound incredibly lame and somewhat-WoW-like?
Can't you find something that sounds more sci-fi and less high-fantasy?
My current suspicion is that the same currency will be used in WoD as well to dress up your virtual vampires, thus the name.
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DeathCam
Unicorn Love Club
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:23:00 -
[2423]
HOW ABOUT SOME ANSWERS?
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Sahvi Morvaalis
R U D E
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 24/06/2011 09:19:42
Originally by: Elondris Singh
I THINK that was soundwave, not manifest - but I could be wrong. I don't feel like going back over the threadnaught. Nonetheless CCP as an entity said this.
It was CCP Shadow - he replied here a few months later.
His excuse is that he basically said "there won't be" when all he really could have said with certainty would have been "I am unaware of any plans".
Note how less than one year ago most posters were like "microtransactions no way" and now the prevailing attitude is "microtransactions for vanity items only is ok".
As long as you behave like that CCP won't change...
My main issue with the AUR system is not the concept of it... it works in OTHER games. It's the whole idea of adding yet another step to THIS GAME's currency transactions that is completely superfluous.
MT or Subscriptions. Not both.
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Fierceshot
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:24:00 -
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The insane prices on NEX aside, my #1 concern is making WIS mandatory.
99% of my time in eve i play with 2 accounts, which has proven impossible with CQ enabled. I can run 1 client just fine with CQ enabled and considering EVE is the only game i play on my PC, and time spent ingame, upgrading my PC to be able to run that extra account isnt IMO justified.
No im not saying that i will ragequit when that time comes, but in all likelihood one of my accounts will be retired. This will very possibly have a negative effect on my enjoyment in EVE, and I believe this is the reality of many EVE players so i urge you to reconsider making WIS mandatory.
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Ranita Drell
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:25:00 -
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Edited by: Ranita Drell on 24/06/2011 09:26:52 Edited by: Ranita Drell on 24/06/2011 09:25:42
Originally by: Juliette DuBois I think CCP needs extra revenue but is probably going in too hamfisted and is getting clobbered by subscribers. Inflation is a ***** and long running game like EVE will get into this problem zone sooner or later. Costs go up every year and game makers are scared of rising sub prices.
A legitimate dilemma perhaps, but you're right, CCP is taking the hamfisted approach, and lying to your customers is never good strategy.
I'd like to say I'd be willing to pay a few extra bucks for my subscription but I have a feeling the reticence to raise subscription prices is well-justified.
I wish I had a better solution, but I don't. It may be that there is no viable plan for EVE that I could live with.
I do think EVE could add substantial numbers of new subscribers if they went about it the right way, though. A new, better-looking UI, with a picture-in-picture display of an active target (so in your spaceship game you always can look at a spaceship without sacrificing your tactical view), more hand-holding through the first couple months. More group content aimed at low/mid SP players. Perhaps an even larger boost in early skill progression than newbies currently enjoy. Maybe allow the skilling of multiple characters on a single account up to a certain SP cap, allowing players to sample different style ships/professions without losing the ability to engage in focused training before a "critical mass" of SP is reached.
I'd rather to see EVE softened a bit before it the integrity of the sandbox is sacrificed and P2W measures are considered.
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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper However, you're right. CCP will force us to beta test the WOD engine.
I think we're more alpha testing right now...
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Pesadel0
the muppets RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:25:00 -
[2428]
Originally by: El'Niaga
Originally by: Hoya en Marland lol they won't make CQ optional you ppl can forget about it - they didn't spend years developing... something... to be only a mere checkbox in your game settings
You think they spent years on CQ...oh Lord what a maroon. At best this was 6 months of coding.
Given performance so far I doubt their engine can handle interaction between players with their avatars. The system is far to taxing. Remember your just loading your own quarters and your own avatar now and even good machines are risking overheating. Add more polygons to the equation and you'll melt some.
Guess what sherlock they did spent years in this manure , we know it because it was at the fanfest and was promised years ago.
Now go back to your cave troll.
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Felo Maxun
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:25:00 -
[2429]
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
THREAD STILL NEEDS GLUE!!
I too do not want this thread slipping under the carpet
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Elondris Singh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:25:00 -
[2430]
Originally by: Sahvi Morvaalis
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 24/06/2011 09:19:42
Originally by: Elondris Singh
I THINK that was soundwave, not manifest - but I could be wrong. I don't feel like going back over the threadnaught. Nonetheless CCP as an entity said this.
It was CCP Shadow - he replied here a few months later.
His excuse is that he basically said "there won't be" when all he really could have said with certainty would have been "I am unaware of any plans".
Note how less than one year ago most posters were like "microtransactions no way" and now the prevailing attitude is "microtransactions for vanity items only is ok".
As long as you behave like that CCP won't change...
My main issue with the AUR system is not the concept of it... it works in OTHER games. It's the whole idea of adding yet another step to THIS GAME's currency transactions that is completely superfluous.
MT or Subscriptions. Not both.
Like I said earlier (not that I imagine any sane person can keep up): My ideal would be to ditch Aurum as a whole. ____ "There was a time in the evolution of all things that work, when it didn't" Thoughts on Incarna |
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