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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2012.09.18 13:37:00 -
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Welp... Guess I can't call it the Crapacal anymore. That thing is gonna actually be kinda mean.
Stabber is alot more like the Vaga, so good training I guess. And that extra mid should help out alot.
Even though I don't fly it much, coulda wished for a bit more armor love for the Thorax. Not keen on it's new shield tank role, but it'll be really damn effective.
No idea on the Omen. But kinda concerned about the effect the Lazor changes will have on the Harbie. Will it become the new flavor of awesome when the Drake and Cane get beaten to death?
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
203
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Posted - 2012.09.18 13:40:00 -
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Expect the Vexor to receive a Repair bonus in line with Incursus and Myrmidon... |
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Random Rule Conform Corpname A Point In Space
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Posted - 2012.09.18 13:45:00 -
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overall nice base to iterate upon. at this point we shall let the testing begin?
as some other people already remarked, there are a lot of drone bays handed out. and im not sure if i like this development. for one, because then drones can't be counted as a special gallente thing and additionally drone crontrol is quite unhandy, unresponsive and annoying atm.
the changes to medium arties took me by suprise. i was not aware of any fitting problems with medium arties. i fear this will encourage some mean 720mm alpha monster fits, which still have a decent tank and propulsion. maybe this means some heavy fitting nerf for cane and maybe cyclone? |
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
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Posted - 2012.09.18 13:47:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1936476#post1936476Quote:I'll start off with the orphan announcement. In the Attack Cruiser thread we also announced changes to medium gun fittings. We're going to be changing the hurricane at the same time but I wanted that thread to stay dedicated to the specific cruiser balance instead of getting derailed so we're moving that here. Since we planning to reduce the powergrid needs of all medium artillery by 10% across the board, we are also planning to subtract 225 PG from the Hurricane, leaving it with a base powergrid of 1125. The upshot is that fitting a full rack of 720s with a MWD and LSE and full mids and lows will require a RCUII and either an ACR or PG implant. Also fitting a standard shield autocane with neuts and LSE will require dropping a few guns down to 220mm. The hurricane will likely receive significantly more changes when we get to battlecruisers in the balance pass, but this is designed as a compensation for the drop in Arty PG and to help alleviate the problem of Arty ships having so much free PG when they use autocannons. Hopefully first & last cross-mentioning of this then as per Fozzie's desire. |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
203
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Posted - 2012.09.18 13:54:00 -
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Seems like a decent temporary adjustment until they have time to properly balance the BCs. Thx for spotting this... |
Hoarr
RPS holdings
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Posted - 2012.09.18 13:56:00 -
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. These changes look awesome. It's good to see the omen getting some much needed love. |
Svennig
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.09.18 13:59:00 -
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These changes look good, but with a few caveats.
Firstly, I'm not sure that the thorax is quick enough to be viable. The stabber, although not quite as fast after these changes, is still king of the speed demons, and once you add on a highly versatile weapon system (autocannons) and a lowslot and a medslot to buff it's tank and gank, this seems unbalanced IMHO. Gallente are still the runts of the litter - lots of on-paper DPS that can't be applied because everything kites or out-ranges them.
Secondly, there's a clear bias towards shield tanking here, so it remains to be seen what happens with the Combat cruiser lines and if they favour armor. The omen is going to be an interesting one to watch as it can't really effectively shield tank, but has a more-forgiving weapon system and a lowslot for gank/optimal. |
Alara IonStorm
3159
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:01:00 -
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Hoarr wrote:WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. These changes look awesome. It's good to see the omen getting some much needed love. The Omens the change I really like. Thorax too but I would prefer an extra low over the Shield Fit everyone will be flying. Give it some good Dmg as an Armor setup. |
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan Pax Romana Alliance
109
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:04:00 -
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Pinky Denmark wrote:Expect the Vexor to receive a Repair bonus in line with Incursus and Myrmidon...
I'd be ok with that (if it was 10% like the incursus), but it'd mean losing one of the two solid bonuses it already has "Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom." |
Yun Kuai
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:09:00 -
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MisterNick wrote:Pinky Denmark wrote:Expect the Vexor to receive a Repair bonus in line with Incursus and Myrmidon... I'd be ok with that (if it was 10% like the incursus), but it'd mean losing one of the two solid bonuses it already has
Just means you take the hybrid bonus off, bc let's be honest. If you want to fit any kind of tank on a vex you have to put light guns on it anyway :(
And also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that adding a ton of drones to every other ship in the game besides gallente hulls is a serious problem. |
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Grog Drinker
The Tuskers
90
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:21:00 -
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Yun Kuai wrote: And also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that adding a ton of drones to every other ship in the game besides gallente hulls is a serious problem.
Amarr drone boats have always had more versatility in drones than Gallente. The sentinel, curse, and pilgrim have a larger drone bay with smaller bandwidth to support this.
Expect to see more drones on amarr ships as CCP has chosen drones as amarr's secondary weapon system. I expect Gal hulls will maintain their higher bandwidth as they are more reliant on drone dps. |
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:24:00 -
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Vladimir Norkoff wrote:Welp... Guess I can't call it the Crapacal anymore. That thing is gonna actually be kinda mean. Correction. After the Hvy Missile changes it will still be the Crapacal. HAMs might be viable with the PG buff, but will still need fitting mods. I am no longer enthusiastic. |
Yun Kuai
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:24:00 -
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Grog Drinker wrote:Yun Kuai wrote: And also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that adding a ton of drones to every other ship in the game besides gallente hulls is a serious problem.
Amarr drone boats have always had more versatility in drones than Gallente. The sentinel, curse, and pilgrim have a larger drone bay with smaller bandwidth to support this. Expect to see more drones on amarr ships as CCP has chosen drones as amarr's secondary weapon system. I expect Gal hulls will maintain their higher bandwidth as they are more reliant on drone dps.
I'm okay with the arbi/pilgrim/curse getting the drones as I like flying those ships, but the other ships don't need and should not have them. All you will see on that omen is ecm-300s and sniperish high dps ship |
Allandri
Liandri Industrial Liandri Covenant
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:29:00 -
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After reading the missile re-balance thread, I am now even more fervent in the my suggestion that the Caracal lose the missile range bonus in exchange for a 5% or 7.5% per level explosion velocity bonus per ship level. |
Grog Drinker
The Tuskers
90
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:30:00 -
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Yun Kuai wrote:[quote=Grog Drinker] I'm okay with the arbi/pilgrim/curse getting the drones as I like flying those ships, but the other ships don't need and should not have them. All you will see on that omen is ecm-300s and sniperish high dps ship
The omen is now in line with the geddon which also has a large drone bay that contributes a significant amount to its dps. |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:31:00 -
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Yun Kuai wrote:Grog Drinker wrote:Yun Kuai wrote: And also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that adding a ton of drones to every other ship in the game besides gallente hulls is a serious problem.
Amarr drone boats have always had more versatility in drones than Gallente. The sentinel, curse, and pilgrim have a larger drone bay with smaller bandwidth to support this. Expect to see more drones on amarr ships as CCP has chosen drones as amarr's secondary weapon system. I expect Gal hulls will maintain their higher bandwidth as they are more reliant on drone dps. I'm okay with the arbi/pilgrim/curse getting the drones as I like flying those ships, but the other ships don't need and should not have them. All you will see on that omen is ecm-300s and sniperish high dps ship Amarr is getting/should have utility drones on as many of there ships much as gallente has, not the bandwidth to use than all at once. I would be quite OK seeing the omen with a little more drone bay +10 maybe or less bandwidth -15, giving it superb utility drone selection and still not undermining Gallente as the drone leader Ideas for drone improvement |
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:33:00 -
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Yun Kuai wrote:I'm okay with the arbi/pilgrim/curse getting the drones as I like flying those ships, but the other ships don't need and should not have them. All you will see on that omen is ecm-300s and sniperish high dps ship While I agree with the concern about drones everywhere, you imply ec-300s & ECM will survive winter. |
Bap1811
Club Bear
5
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:53:00 -
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I guess one of the lows is an RCU if you want HAMs on it, might be ok with 2 bcs and DC but suddenly I'm afraid that **** doesnt have enough CPU.
Cant exactly fiddle around with it without eft but please make sure you can fit DC, BCS BCS, RCU (?) MWD, LSE, LSE X, X, 5 hams. Probably still get **** EHP. |
Eternal Error
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
134
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Posted - 2012.09.18 15:11:00 -
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No love for medium rails? |
Nicholai Sanse
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2012.09.18 15:14:00 -
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Zealots just went from ballin' to megaballin', |
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Yun Kuai
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2012.09.18 15:15:00 -
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Eternal Error wrote:No love for medium rails?
Agreed, those things are still hard to fit, cap intensive, and terribad tracking :( |
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan Pax Romana Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.18 15:18:00 -
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Yun Kuai wrote:Eternal Error wrote:No love for medium rails? Agreed, those things are still hard to fit, cap intensive, and terribad tracking :(
And laugh if you even mention the word Damage "Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom." |
cool4nd
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.09.18 15:19:00 -
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Regarding Omen & Thorax
The Omen & Thorax still cant fit 1600mm plate without tons of fitting mods, which makes them only having 30%-40% of the HP of a buffer BC. You can make them as fast as you want, with such little HP and price is same region of a BCs these cruiser still have no purpose in the game, as BC will still do everything better. Addionally Omen will suffer hard on capacitor, with ROF sucking cap like crazy. Removing the cap bonus from Thorax and giving it the 4th medium slot for cap booster is really strange, as you are forced to have a cap booster now always. |
McBrideCZ
FireStar Inc Curatores Veritatis Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.09.18 15:27:00 -
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Yes, yes and yes!
All changes are really good but only thing that bothers me is speed balance:
Omen: 225 m/s Caracal: 225 m/s Thorax: 235 m/s Stabber: 285 m/s
Is there any particular reason why Stabber should be 25% faster? Stabber now basicly have 3 bonuses (25% speed + both gun bonuses). I would welcome + 15-20 m/s on Omen, Caracal and Thorax. After all, they are attack cruiser.... |
Kesthely
Fleet of the Damned Happy Endings
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Posted - 2012.09.18 15:28:00 -
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At first glance i really loved each and every one of them. Unfortunatly then i read the missile rebalance. With these combinations of buffs and debuffs i can easily get the Omen and Thorax to the same range as a caracal, but apply about 100-150 dps more
I agree that some heavy missile boats deserve a nerf (most notably the Drake, nighthawk, tengu) but this nerf makes other Heavy missile boats like the caracal, new Bellicose, the rook, the cerberus a little weak in comparison to other long range cruisers.
The biggest reason to this is the fact that Missile boats don't have an equivallent of Tracking computers or Tracking enhancers and thus needed there base range to be higher.
So can you please check if the -25% range and -20% damage is really in line with the other redesigned cruisers? |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.09.18 15:29:00 -
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cool4nd wrote:Regarding Omen & Thorax
The Omen & Thorax still cant fit 1600mm plate without tons of fitting mods, which makes them only having 30%-40% of the HP of a buffer BC. You can make them as fast as you want, with such little HP and price is same region of a BCs these cruiser still have no purpose in the game, as BC will still do everything better. Addionally Omen will suffer hard on capacitor, with ROF sucking cap like crazy. Removing the cap bonus from Thorax and giving it the 4th medium slot for cap booster is really strange, as you are forced to have a cap booster now always.
Just wait for the massive BC nerf that is surely coming (right?) |
Grideris
Fleet Coordination Commission Fleet Coordination Coalition
272
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Posted - 2012.09.18 15:31:00 -
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Kesthely wrote:At first glance i really loved each and every one of them. Unfortunatly then i read the missile rebalance. With these combinations of buffs and debuffs i can easily get the Omen and Thorax to the same range as a caracal, but apply about 100-150 dps more
I agree that some heavy missile boats deserve a nerf (most notably the Drake, nighthawk, tengu) but this nerf makes other Heavy missile boats like the caracal, new Bellicose, the rook, the cerberus a little weak in comparison to other long range cruisers.
The biggest reason to this is the fact that Missile boats don't have an equivallent of Tracking computers or Tracking enhancers and thus needed there base range to be higher.
So can you please check if the -25% range and -20% damage is really in line with the other redesigned cruisers with keeping in mind of the reduced possiblities of upgradeing there range
You must have missed the part where they said that TCs and TEs now increase Missile range. I recommend you go back and read the bottom of that post in the other thread. http://www.dust514.org - the unofficial forum for everything DUST 514 http://www.dust514base.com - the blog site with everything else DUST 514 you need
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Dato Koppla
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
58
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Posted - 2012.09.18 15:31:00 -
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With some very rough numbers you should be able to fit a full rack of FMP IIs, Meta MWD, T2 Disruptor, T2 Small cap booster, meta 4 1600mmplate, ANP II, 3 heat sinks, DCU II all with 1 Ancillary Current Router, leaving room for 2 armor rigs giving you 30+k ehp and around 500+ dps (or you can trade tank for gank) with significant better speed and cap than before.
No solid numbers but it should be pretty close. |
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
206
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Posted - 2012.09.18 15:33:00 -
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Kesthely wrote: The biggest reason to this is the fact that Missile boats don't have an equivallent of Tracking computers or Tracking enhancers and thus needed there base range to be higher.
CCP Fozzie wrote: Tracking/Range Mods and Ewar -Modify tracking enhancers and tracking computers to affect: Max flight time (with optimal range script) Explosion radius and explosion velocity (with tracking speed script) -Make TDs affect Missiles Tracking speed disruption script lowers explosion velocity and explosion radius Optimal range disruption script lowers flight time
EDIT : damn too slow |
Wivabel
Exanimo Inc Anger Management.
5
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Posted - 2012.09.18 15:34:00 -
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Caracalal is going to be nice with hams and te/bcs + no more penalties to sig or speed on t2 ammo. If you like to pew small gang style check us out.-á
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