Originally by: Aelius

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Originally by: Ingvar Angst

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Originally by: Jaari Val'Dara

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Stabs? Lol. That would seriously reduce dps and also isk/h.Cans? Good luck with that if you are moving.
Asteroids? I'd hate to get stuck on one if I have to warp off.
D-scan? I did that while living in a wh, but it's maddening.

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I think the bolded part shows where the real problem lies, and it's not the fault of local, afk cloaking, whatever.

You don't want to adapt. You want easy comfort mode, in null sec.

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Correct... people just want null to be high isk, low risk and everything done to correct that is bad... Personally i wouldn't mind that CCP removed the bounties on highsec missions and make them lowsec/null exclusive.

Plus 0.0 on high risk (no local) would make the rewards must more valuable since if you are lucky to find a named spawn, the profit would be much greater from the drops. Not to mention the profit from mining ABC on 0.0.

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Originally by: Jaari Val'Dara

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Originally by: Aelius

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Originally by: Ingvar Angst

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Originally by: Jaari Val'Dara

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Stabs? Lol. That would seriously reduce dps and also isk/h.Cans? Good luck with that if you are moving.
Asteroids? I'd hate to get stuck on one if I have to warp off.
D-scan? I did that while living in a wh, but it's maddening.

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I think the bolded part shows where the real problem lies, and it's not the fault of local, afk cloaking, whatever.

You don't want to adapt. You want easy comfort mode, in null sec.

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Correct... people just want null to be high isk, low risk and everything done to correct that is bad... Personally i wouldn't mind that CCP removed the bounties on highsec missions and make them lowsec/null exclusive.

Plus 0.0 on high risk (no local) would make the rewards must more valuable since if you are lucky to find a named spawn, the profit would be much greater from the drops. Not to mention the profit from mining ABC on 0.0.

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Yes, sure, I am so eager to hunt for officers. I will get my payout once a month while I die several times during no-drops streak.
Not to mention, my love of mining is undying. My army of hulk alts will swarm every null system.

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Originally by: Aelius

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5th- You are a carebear, but you think you are cooler than your highsec counterparts because you operate in nullsec.

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Originally by: Jenn aSide

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As I said, short sighted thinking. I actully LIKE having people to shoot at. As it is now we have to go at least 12 jumps to have a hope of someone being around.

The goal should be MORE fights, not less. As it is now we can still jump in to a system and have a chance at a juicy target in a sanctum or haven (especially if they are dumb enough to get stuck on something and can't warp, it still happens lol).

With no local there might be LESS of this (because of even more people fleeing to empire to make 100mil an hour in an incursion), and that's just stupid.

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Originally by: Newt Rondanse

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Doing away with local does away with public tear harvests, and tears shared are all the sweeter.

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Originally by: Zebediah Orly

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The only problem with removing local, would be doing missions for pirate factions, if you are in a frig and undock, how do you know there isn't a dictor waiting for you? (i'm talking lvl 1 missions here) I don't mind getting scanned down or scanning people down, but camping outside a station, when you can 'redock' seems to be a gamble to me.

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Originally by: Aelius

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So let me see what you want:

1st- You want to make Isk in 0.0 (considered a dangerous part of EVE).

2nd- But you don't want it to be dangerous, because you don't want to die.

3rd- Local provides the n¦2, so you don't want it removed.

4th- "Evolve" and "Adapt" aren't words in your dictionary.

5th- You are a carebear, but you think you are cooler than your highsec counterparts because you operate in nullsec.

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Originally by: Jaari Val'Dara

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1. I haven't done a sanctum in quite a while.
2. You wan't to make null way more dangerous while keeping profits low.
3. I'd like local to be removed very much, I would just prefer if it didn't drive out all the economic activities back to high sec. I hate missions so very very much.

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Originally by: Zagdul

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Removing local is the most R E T A R D E D idea CCP has ever come up with.

Local helps you FIND fights and the way null is right now, most people put a gang together and can't find one. This will make finding PVP HARDER not EASIER.

It will make ganking easier, but that's not PVP, that's PvCB.

Not only that, but this is going to make black ops easy as, well, you never saw us coming, you didn't see us jump into system and well, you don't have our fleet scouted within range either, cause it's cloaked and you have no local.

Removing local is a bad idea and the morons who make the claim that a delayed local, like in wormholes, is a good idea are dumb as they don't think about how unbalanced and boring null/low sec will be when/if they do.

It doesn't help gang warfare in the slightest.

When I take out a 10-20 man gang, we find our hostiles by going into local/intel channels (which are reported by local counts and normally inaccurate ), counting how many bad dudes and deciding to engage or not.

Without local, and by using an "improved scan system" you're now turning, what could be a fast, fun moving gang into a slow, boring one cause you gotta put your faith into a system we're counting on CCP to develop to function as intended.

Good luck

Local works, leave it.

The tears generated from black ops will be glorious, however, this will be niche and short lived. The rest of EVE Online combat will be difficult and hard to find. You will in essence, ruin finding small gangs to fight, just as there is an upswing on small gang warfare.

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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian

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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 19/08/2011 14:25:03
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 19/08/2011 14:24:21

Originally by: Aelius

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5th- You are a carebear, but you think you are cooler than your highsec counterparts because you operate in nullsec.

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QFT... epic win Aelius.



You get a big Brutor Kiss!!! Mwhaaa!!!




@ Jaari Val'Dara A clicky D-scan is stupid, we need something more like a ships radar that has the same range as the D-scan.

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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian

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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 19/08/2011 14:25:03
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 19/08/2011 14:24:21

Originally by: Aelius

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5th- You are a carebear, but you think you are cooler than your highsec counterparts because you operate in nullsec.

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QFT... epic win Aelius.



You get a big Brutor Kiss!!! Mwhaaa!!!




@ Jaari Val'Dara A clicky D-scan is stupid, we need something more like a ships radar that has the same range as the D-scan.

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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian

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Originally by: Zebediah Orly

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The only problem with removing local, would be doing missions for pirate factions, if you are in a frig and undock, how do you know there isn't a dictor waiting for you? (i'm talking lvl 1 missions here) I don't mind getting scanned down or scanning people down, but camping outside a station, when you can 'redock' seems to be a gamble to me.

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You don't understand how aggression mechanics and undock timers work then do you?

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Originally by: Zebediah Orly

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It seems you don't really have a clue, let me enlighten you, when you undock in a FRIG you are hardly going to have a long fight are you? or last untill you can dock again, Especially if you get caught in a dictor bubble the moment you undock.

Please know what you are talking about.

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Originally by: baltec1

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Originally by: Jenn aSide

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As I said, short sighted thinking. I actully LIKE having people to shoot at. As it is now we have to go at least 12 jumps to have a hope of someone being around.

The goal should be MORE fights, not less. As it is now we can still jump in to a system and have a chance at a juicy target in a sanctum or haven (especially if they are dumb enough to get stuck on something and can't warp, it still happens lol).

With no local there might be LESS of this (because of even more people fleeing to empire to make 100mil an hour in an incursion), and that's just stupid.

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Those people dont undock to fight anyway so its not much of a loss.

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Originally by: Zagdul

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Local helps you FIND fights and the way null is right now, most people put a gang together and can't find one. This will make finding PVP HARDER not EASIER.

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Originally by: Aelius

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5th- You are a carebear, but you think you are cooler than your highsec counterparts because you operate in nullsec.

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Originally by: Brooks Puuntai

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However I do agree to a point that it will allow for a lot more ganks, especially on carebears since the carebear will have no idea if their FoF.

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Originally by: Efraya

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ITT: Null bears whining about not being able to gather intel via local anymore.

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Originally by: Aelius

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Edited by: Aelius on 19/08/2011 12:38:57

I just need to reply again to this thread...

I will give a hypothetical situation, with and without local.

With Local:

You "Zagdul" come to an hostile system... asa you enter system you notice X amounts of hostiles in local. You press D-Scan and see a hulk fleet and some cans.

You rapidly warp to the belts... but too late... they all warped out before u could get there.

You wait in system, with the hope that they resume the mining... but nothing happens... BUT you waited too long... soon you and your 6 buddies look at local and see a 20 hostiles entering system... and they don't have hulks...

You are forced to flee without engage (because you aren't stupid to go 7 vs 20)

End result = 0 ships lost to PVP, and no fight.


Without Local:

You "Zagdul" come to an hostile system... asa you enter system you notice X amounts of hostiles on D-Scan and see a hulk fleet and some cans.

You rapidly warp to the belts... Yep they are still there mining away, because they hadn't see it coming.
You gank some hulks and get some pods.

You wait in system, with the hope that more action arrives... soon you and your 6 buddies using D-Scan notice more hostiles arrive with combat ships to avenge they fallen comrades... You count around 10 ships (they think you are only 3 because you only used 3 ships to gank the hulks)

Using superior tactics you and your buddies are able to get into a fight 10 VS 7... and because you have a better fleet (you had Falcon present that they didn't knew it was there) you are able to get a good victory over them.

End result: Several Hulks and pods destroyed, a few more combat ships destroyed on both parts and a good fight that you managed to win.

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Originally by: artsjitaalt

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Originally by: Aelius

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5th- You are a carebear, but you think you are cooler than your highsec counterparts because you operate in nullsec.

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Originally by: Brooks Puuntai

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However I do agree to a point that it will allow for a lot more ganks, especially on carebears since the carebear will have no idea if their FoF.

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Originally by: Efraya

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ITT: Null bears whining about not being able to gather intel via local anymore.

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Originally by: Aelius

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Edited by: Aelius on 19/08/2011 12:38:57

I just need to reply again to this thread...

I will give a hypothetical situation, with and without local.

With Local:

You "Zagdul" come to an hostile system... asa you enter system you notice X amounts of hostiles in local. You press D-Scan and see a hulk fleet and some cans.

You rapidly warp to the belts... but too late... they all warped out before u could get there.

You wait in system, with the hope that they resume the mining... but nothing happens... BUT you waited too long... soon you and your 6 buddies look at local and see a 20 hostiles entering system... and they don't have hulks...

You are forced to flee without engage (because you aren't stupid to go 7 vs 20)

End result = 0 ships lost to PVP, and no fight.


Without Local:

You "Zagdul" come to an hostile system... asa you enter system you notice X amounts of hostiles on D-Scan and see a hulk fleet and some cans.

You rapidly warp to the belts... Yep they are still there mining away, because they hadn't see it coming.
You gank some hulks and get some pods.

You wait in system, with the hope that more action arrives... soon you and your 6 buddies using D-Scan notice more hostiles arrive with combat ships to avenge they fallen comrades... You count around 10 ships (they think you are only 3 because you only used 3 ships to gank the hulks)

Using superior tactics you and your buddies are able to get into a fight 10 VS 7... and because you have a better fleet (you had Falcon present that they didn't knew it was there) you are able to get a good victory over them.

End result: Several Hulks and pods destroyed, a few more combat ships destroyed on both parts and a good fight that you managed to win.

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Just out of curiosity, where do you think all of these PVP ships are coming from? When you wipe out all of the miners (Which everyone seems to think will be great fun), you'll then be *****ing about the lack of ships and why your tengu now costs 12 billion isk. Then you'll blame CCP for breaking the economy.

When you're blowing up 5 billion isk jump freighters left and right, it won't take very long for the supply chain to dry up and disappear. You seem to be missing the fact that your ability PVP relies on the very carebears you want to kill in this operation.

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Originally by: baltec1

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Originally by: Zebediah Orly

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It seems you don't really have a clue, let me enlighten you, when you undock in a FRIG you are hardly going to have a long fight are you? or last untill you can dock again, Especially if you get caught in a dictor bubble the moment you undock.

Please know what you are talking about.

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Its funny because you have no idea about the 30 seconds you have where they cannot lock you.

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Originally by: Zebediah Orly

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Edited by: Zebediah Orly on 19/08/2011 16:35:00

Originally by: baltec1

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Originally by: Zebediah Orly

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It seems you don't really have a clue, let me enlighten you, when you undock in a FRIG you are hardly going to have a long fight are you? or last untill you can dock again, Especially if you get caught in a dictor bubble the moment you undock.

Please know what you are talking about.

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Its funny because you have no idea about the 30 seconds you have where they cannot lock you.

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It's funny, because you have no idea, it's not 30 seconds.

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