Well the natural "deadline" for a devblog (what was demoed to the CSM) would be fanfest, or until Dust's release *and integration with eve is somewhat up and running. Good thing in the meantime there is fis.

First we had to learn a bunch of learning skill, then you get dust514 out only on ps3, then you talk about extra vehicular activity and you say you can't do it right now.

so in the end we are still waiting to play dust514 on pc and will probably wait for 10 years or more, so the extra vehicular activity cant be made under 50 or 80 years, most of us will be dead before it happen.

Is it only me who tink eve is not evolving at all? I dont see a lot of different things since i started playin, some new ship and modules but nothing awesome, only minor change.

After 6 years of playin the same game over and over i'm ready for change, do it now before all of us get bored to death and choose another game.

If another company get a game like eve out i would probably change if it's better because i lost faith in the eve team for change, i can't see anything more in the future, only minor change.

my 2-ó

The other game is on its way. Four years for me, most of that time with three accounts. There's no doubt CCP need to branch our characters out into other areas of the EVE universe to stay relevant and I'm sure Dust and WiS are only part of the story.
I'm delighted they now have a good plan for WiS after they've fixed the core code in the flagship EVE.

Personally, I'd be happy to waste time building orbital infrastructure, asteroid bases etc. for people to set up shop in.

And once again, that portion of EVE's community that bothers with these forums displays its general lack of enthusiasm for new ideas, a pessimistic fatal streak, a total lack of vision, a cynical conservative bent and a total lack of any understanding about how to go about running a games studio which presently has only one profitable title to its name.

Business as usual then. I really don't know why I bother coming here. This exact same thing happened with Incarna - they had what I personally thought was a great idea to add whole new player-driven sections of the economy to the game, and a noisy faction of luddites in the community pissed all over it because it didn't fit their narrow vision of what EVE should be. I'm still angry about that.

And now people have the audacity to complain that we don't have proper WiS or any WoD game footage or whatever, when it's OUR. ZARKING. FAULT. Us! the Community! We're the ones who went on a noisy rampage over those very same things when they were first proposed, forcing CCP to back off and focus on the flying and spaceships instead of moving the game in that direction and now some of us are griping about not having them?

GFDI if you wanted them that badly, you should have spoken up and encouraged CCP to keep making them when they were first proposed, rather than sit back and let the uninspired armchair games designers decide that they wanted to fly the ship for us.

/rant

And once again, that portion of EVE's community that bothers with these forums displays its general lack of enthusiasm for new ideas, a pessimistic fatal streak, a total lack of vision, a cynical conservative bent and a total lack of any understanding about how to go about running a games studio which presently has only one profitable title to its name.

Business as usual then. I really don't know why I bother coming here. This exact same thing happened with Incarna - they had what I personally thought was a great idea to add whole new player-driven sections of the economy to the game, and a noisy faction of luddites in the community pissed all over it because it didn't fit their narrow vision of what EVE should be. I'm still angry about that.

And now people have the audacity to complain that we don't have proper WiS or any WoD game footage or whatever, when it's OUR. ZARKING. FAULT. Us! the Community! We're the ones who went on a noisy rampage over those very same things when they were first proposed, forcing CCP to back off and focus on the flying and spaceships instead of moving the game in that direction and now some of us are griping about not having them?

GFDI if you wanted them that badly, you should have spoken up and encouraged CCP to keep making them when they were first proposed, rather than sit back and let the uninspired armchair games designers decide that they wanted to fly the ship for us.

/rant

And once again, that portion of EVE's community that bothers with these forums displays its general lack of enthusiasm for new ideas, a pessimistic fatal streak, a total lack of vision, a cynical conservative bent and a total lack of any understanding about how to go about running a games studio which presently has only one profitable title to its name.

Business as usual then. I really don't know why I bother coming here. This exact same thing happened with Incarna - they had what I personally thought was a great idea to add whole new player-driven sections of the economy to the game, and a noisy faction of luddites in the community pissed all over it because it didn't fit their narrow vision of what EVE should be. I'm still angry about that.

And now people have the audacity to complain that we don't have proper WiS or any WoD game footage or whatever, when it's OUR. ZARKING. FAULT. Us! the Community! We're the ones who went on a noisy rampage over those very same things when they were first proposed, forcing CCP to back off and focus on the flying and spaceships instead of moving the game in that direction and now some of us are griping about not having them?

GFDI if you wanted them that badly, you should have spoken up and encouraged CCP to keep making them when they were first proposed, rather than sit back and let the uninspired armchair games designers decide that they wanted to fly the ship for us.

/rant

srs if i was a dev and i had to sort through 21 pages of bad mouthing and motor boating i'd probably punch you all in the face at fanfest.

Internet tough guy detected... Seriously, get a grip of yourself. What on earth made you think that kind of language and attitude was appropriate on a gaming forum?

The more I hear about all the ideas being tossed around, the happier I get.

Then I cry myself to sleep because I know when I wake up, these things still won't be in the game.

Still, the idea that something is coming eventually is rather comforting...yet, sadly, it does not stop the tears.

Nope there was no clear language in any devblog on what incarna 1.0 was to be, and everybody was in support of it without knowing what it was exactly

A sad realization for us all.

I think it was pretty clear what we would get with Incarna 1.0. Anyone mildly interested could see it on the feature page, and would have understood from devblogs that Incarna would be released in stages with the CQ being the first stage. If people thought that they would get the fullblown multiplayer enviroments in the initial release, they just didn't pay enough attention.

I was thinking there are stop working on this wis project the still working on it ? ps no hating just want to now because iam a big fan of this project.

All i can think of right now is being actually like a real pirate where you can disable ships and board them.

Can anyone say? "RAIDING PARTY!!!"

It's pretty fun. I got to play this, actually. In Pirates of the Burning Sea MMO. Back in January 2008. Yeah...cutting edge stuff...



That's a very shortsighted way of looking at it. Everything has a price. Incarna had a price too, as in how long it took to make, and how neglected the rest of the game was while it was being developed. In terms of "bang for your buck", Incarna expansion was a huge letdown. Was it merely the first step? Yes. Would the next few steps (within the year) have been better and added meaningful gameplay if everyone stayed quiet? Doubtful. In fact, I'd go with a very concrete "nope" for that one. Why? Look how long it took them to just prototype meaningful avatar-based gameplay, never mind actually go on and implement it. Look how long it took to get character creator alone working, and iron out major bugs in character creation and clothing. Even had they managed to add walking in stations within a year, how long would it have kept you entertained? Day? Week? I'd be bored of it within hours because there wouldn't be any reason to do ti, there'd be no gameplay involved. If they added games? Virtual game of chess within a virtual game? Kinda silly. And so on.

Very, very simple. Bang for your buck. Can they implement it? Yes. But how long will it take, at what cost, and will it pay off in subs? Not to mention that the whole Incarna thing wasn't just due to Incarna itself. If you search the old posts, you'll see it was a combination of multiple factors that triggered the meltdown.

Personally I was very much in favour of Incarna, based on the stuff that was shown years prior to Incarna's release. But when it became obvious that we'd get virtually no meaningful content from it, and it would take years more to get it going, very naturally people rebelled. If they told you today that ship rebalance will take 3 years, and in that time you'd see almost no changes to the game, would you be happy? Probably not. Too little bang for your buck. It's exactly the same with Incarna. That's really the only "beef" that many naysayers have with ambulation - it's not worth the price, currently.

They stopped ,thats all

Would the next few steps (within the year) have been better and added meaningful gameplay if everyone stayed quiet? Doubtful. In fact, I'd go with a very concrete "nope" for that one. Why? Look how long it took them to just prototype meaningful avatar-based gameplay, never mind actually go on and implement it. Look how long it took to get character creator alone working, and iron out major bugs in character creation and clothing. Even had they managed to add walking in stations within a year, how long would it have kept you entertained? Day? Week? I'd be bored of it within hours because there wouldn't be any reason to do ti, there'd be no gameplay involved. If they added games? Virtual game of chess within a virtual game? Kinda silly. And so on.

Very, very simple. Bang for your buck. Can they implement it? Yes. But how long will it take, at what cost, and will it pay off in subs? Not to mention that the whole Incarna thing wasn't just due to Incarna itself. If you search the old posts, you'll see it was a combination of multiple factors that triggered the meltdown.

Personally I was very much in favour of Incarna, based on the stuff that was shown years prior to Incarna's release. But when it became obvious that we'd get virtually no meaningful content from it, and it would take years more to get it going, very naturally people rebelled. If they told you today that ship rebalance will take 3 years, and in that time you'd see almost no changes to the game, would you be happy? Probably not. Too little bang for your buck. It's exactly the same with Incarna. That's really the only "beef" that many naysayers have with ambulation - it's not worth the price, currently.