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Taiwanistan 322	Posted - 2013.09.30 19:36:00 - [2371] - Quote Baby ChuChu wrote: Why do 99% of these freakin anti-WiS posts have to have some sort of asinine, snide remark attached to it?... Christ. what's more asinine than a bunch of dudes dressing up emoting each other in a room? TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Sir Jack Falstaff Thirtyplus Spaceship Samurai 54	Posted - 2013.09.30 20:12:00 - [2372] - Quote Taiwanistan wrote: Baby ChuChu wrote: Why do 99% of these freakin anti-WiS posts have to have some sort of asinine, snide remark attached to it?... Christ. what's more asinine than a bunch of dudes dressing up emoting each other in a room? Dude, we're all playing a game in which we pretend to be starship pilots flying around through space and shooting each other with our pew pew laser guns. Take a good look at yourself. You're already playing dress-up. Banish plump Jack, and banish all the world.
Shalua Rui Rui Freelance Mining 21406	Posted - 2013.09.30 20:23:00 - [2373] - Quote Sir Jack Falstaff wrote: Dude, we're all playing a game in which we pretend to be starship pilots flying around through space and shooting each other with our pew pew laser guns. Take a good look at yourself. You're already playing dress-up. Not quite... atleast not in "their" heads... the game could be about my little ponies with laser guns for all they care, as long as they can pawn others and show off their incredible skillz! "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 329	Posted - 2013.09.30 20:24:00 - [2374] - Quote Gel Musana wrote: OK, this post is 1 year old now. Can you show this to us now? Or was this just smoke? Team Avatar doesn't even exist anymore. CCP has wisely decided to honor their promise to focus on real Eve content.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 1996	Posted - 2013.09.30 20:30:00 - [2375] - Quote Shalua Rui wrote: Crasniya wrote: You're the one too narrow-minded to see the vision that CCP actually has, and has promoted. You're so afraid of change, you can't handle it. EVE has to grow and evolve. Calling people that actually want the game to expand and grow, narrow minded is... interesting, to say the least. ...but yea, the fear of change in this community is really all too evident... ...then again, it fits the personality of the core player base, as does the inability to have objective discussions. It is quite interesting how they claim to be thrilled about getting more of the same (go there, conquer it, lose it, conquer it again, rinse and repeat) and yet fail to understand or respect what other players ask from CCP. Rather than do something daring and new, CCP just aims to replay the "success" of the existing content. Who could be thrilled by more of the same as the game loses the ability to draw new blood? EVE-lovers or EVE-fanatics? It's incredibly stupid. Time ago, I pictured hisec like a entry hall with revolving doors, where people got in, walked around for a while and eventually went away without ever finding a way to the depths of the building, because that requries luck and a very niche mindset. Now, instead of making the hall better and interesting so new players stay in game because of it, CCP has chosen to build an even deeper end to the building, some nullsec-beyond-nullsec which will be used by even less players than nullsec itself... and simultaneously, CCP plans to wreck the hall. When CCP Seagull was appointed as Senior Producer under CCP Unifex's wing, I asked her publicly to not leave behind the "lurkers". But now the "Hallelujah plan" is all about "enablers" and "instigators", and we the humble, silent, neglected lurkers have been left behind. Wether this is a smart move or the second point in which historians will look back at the demise of EVE and say "that was the second fatal blow", time will tell. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 329	Posted - 2013.09.30 20:34:00 - [2376] - Quote Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: It is quite interesting how they claim to be thrilled about getting more of the same (go there, conquer it, lose it, conquer it again, rinse and repeat) and yet fail to understand or respect what other players ask from CCP. The game has evolved and changed a lot since Incarna. You just don't care because the change didn't include more outfits for your space Barbie.
Shalua Rui Rui Freelance Mining 21410	Posted - 2013.09.30 21:03:00 - [2377] - Quote Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: When CCP Seagull was appointed as Senior Producer under CCP Unifex's wing, I asked her publicly to not leave behind the "lurkers". But now the "Hallelujah plan" is all about "enablers" and "instigators", and we the humble, silent, neglected lurkers have been left behind. Wether this is a smart move or the second point in which historians will look back at the demise of EVE and say "that was the second fatal blow", time will tell. That sums it up pretty nicely... "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases
Cypherdog Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2013.09.30 21:40:00 - [2378] - Quote Rhes wrote: Probably because it's difficult to respect people who want to ruin a perfectly fine spaceship game with wizard robes and dance emotes. Geez, stop already the WoW inuendos. If EVE developed avatar gameplay, it would be mature. AS mature and dark as GTA V gameplay. Noone is saying anything about Wizards. Didn't you watch the Incarna development videos? NO you didn't. BUt you might have have a point, because CCP have proven that they're only good for designing a 3rd person spaceship game and Game Trailers. They have no experience whatsoever in avatar gameplay, Vampire games and very little -if negative- in First Person Shooters.
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 333	Posted - 2013.09.30 22:23:00 - [2379] - Quote Cypherdog wrote: Didn't you watch the Incarna development videos? Compare what was in those videos to what was actually released.
Arduemont 12 pound opinion 1947	Posted - 2013.09.30 22:26:00 - [2380] - Quote Rhes wrote: Cypherdog wrote: Didn't you watch the Incarna development videos? Compare what was in those videos to what was actually released. Exactly, dumb ass. We never got any of that. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."

Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 902	Posted - 2013.09.30 22:43:00 - [2381] - Quote Arduemont wrote: Rhes wrote: Cypherdog wrote: Didn't you watch the Incarna development videos? Compare what was in those videos to what was actually released. Exactly, dumb ass. We never got any of that. The only dumb asses in this thread are the avatar pedo freaks like you. We don't want any of that **** in EvE Online. Deal with it. The Tears Must Flow
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 336	Posted - 2013.09.30 22:50:00 - [2382] - Quote Arduemont wrote: Rhes wrote: Cypherdog wrote: Didn't you watch the Incarna development videos? Compare what was in those videos to what was actually released. Exactly, dumb ass. We never got any of that. So we had two years of wasted development time and we got a room with a couch and a microtransaction store and you want them to waste even more time on it? I just want to be clear that that is really what you are advocating for.
Shalua Rui Rui Freelance Mining 21419	Posted - 2013.09.30 23:00:00 - [2383] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: The only dumb asses in this thread are the avatar pedo freaks like you. We don't want any of that **** in EvE Online. Deal with it. Yea, well, then... bye? "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases
Eli Green The Arrow Project 705	Posted - 2013.09.30 23:06:00 - [2384] - Quote Personally I hope at some point CCP does go back to creating solid content for WiS and fulfill EVE's role as a full sci-fi simulation. However it is reasonable to assume that WiS will not be worked on in great detail until some of the issues that have been sitting on the backlog have been dealt with. It should also be noted that arguing that X group that believes X about WiS is correct as CCP has never released any data on the player interest in the subject for quite some time. This goes for those arguing both for and against WiS, devolving the discussion into personal attacks and jibes does nothing to help either side. In conclusion I'm looking forward to see what the suture of EVE will hold regardless of CCP's decisions relating to the development of WiS. wumbo
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 336	Posted - 2013.09.30 23:22:00 - [2385] - Quote Eli Green wrote: It should also be noted that arguing that X group that believes X about WiS is correct as CCP has never released any data on the player interest in the subject for quite some time. This goes for those arguing both for and against WiS, devolving the discussion into personal attacks and jibes does nothing to help either side. Subscribers have gone up every quarter since the summer of rage (since CCP put WiS nonsense on the back burner) and that is the only data that is needed.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 152	Posted - 2013.09.30 23:47:00 - [2386] - Quote Rhes wrote: Subscribers have gone up every quarter since the summer of rage (since CCP put WiS nonsense on the back burner) and that is the only data that is needed. Non sense. I unsubbed after WiS development stop. So did many people. Matter of fact, avatar gameplay was what attracted me to the game in the first place (check my character's creation date). The fact that EVE has gained some subs is more related to the number of alt accounts created by established players than by newcomer accounts. Plus, the number of active accounts does not tell directly how many of them are actually paying a subscription and not using PLEX bought by someone else.Take a look at the PLEX isk value inflation in the last 2 years. Practically doubled from 300m to 600m isk. Need I write a conclusion or are you able to take it for yourself? Probably not.
Shalua Rui Rui Freelance Mining 21428	Posted - 2013.09.30 23:49:00 - [2387] - Quote raven666wings wrote: Probably not. Scratch the "probably". "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 336	Posted - 2013.10.01 00:11:00 - [2388] - Quote raven666wings wrote: Non sense. I unsubbed after WiS development stop. So did many people. Not enough to make a difference. During the summer of rage so many people canceled that CCP flew the entire CSM to Iceland for an emergency summit to try and stem the flow of people leaving the game. After CCP apologized and made a commitment to refocus on real Eve content subs started going up again. The fact that you canceled your subscription and it didn't make CCP change course means not enough people agree with you. Apparently the number of people who can't live without space Barbie is less than the usual monthly subscription churn numbers.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 152	Posted - 2013.10.01 00:17:00 - [2389] - Quote Rhes wrote: The fact that you canceled your subscription and it didn't make CCP change course means not enough people agree with you. Nope. It just means that those people either don't unsub or do it quietly without throwing tantrums at CCP and shooting pixel statues
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 336	Posted - 2013.10.01 00:26:00 - [2390] - Quote raven666wings wrote: Rhes wrote: The fact that you canceled your subscription and it didn't make CCP change course means not enough people agree with you. Nope. It just means that those people either don't unsub or do it quietly without throwing tantrums at CCP and shooting pixel statues Either way there still aren't enough to make CCP change the course of the game again. If subscriptions weren't going up every quarter you'd have an argument but they are so you don't.

raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 152	Posted - 2013.10.01 00:40:00 - [2391] - Quote Rhes wrote: Either way there still aren't enough to make CCP change the course of the game again. If subscriptions weren't going up every quarter you'd have an argument but they are so you don't. Make CCP change the couse of the game??? What are we now? Dellusional fanbois who think they own the game and force CCP to fire a whole dev team so they stop whining? Nope, we're all adults here. Personally couldn't care less about the course of the game. If the developers give me what I want, I'll pay for it. If they don't well, no dough from me. Simple as that. You think I didn't know EVE before 2011? Seen it around since it came out in 2003, the "meh" factor was big when compared to other subcription based sci-fi mmorpg games like Anarchy Online or Star Wars Galaxies, and will be even bigger when compared to Star Citizen. Incarna (if delivered properly, which wasn't what happened in 2011) is the best thing could happen to this game to make it gain newcomers who like myself were never attracted enough to pay a subscription on a tactical spaceship & economic warfare simulator lacking avatar gameplay.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 3712	Posted - 2013.10.01 00:55:00 - [2392] - Quote Shalua Rui wrote: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: When CCP Seagull was appointed as Senior Producer under CCP Unifex's wing, I asked her publicly to not leave behind the "lurkers". But now the "Hallelujah plan" is all about "enablers" and "instigators", and we the humble, silent, neglected lurkers have been left behind. Wether this is a smart move or the second point in which historians will look back at the demise of EVE and say "that was the second fatal blow", time will tell. That sums it up pretty nicely... Tinfoil much? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Flamespar Woof Club 772	Posted - 2013.10.01 01:05:00 - [2393] - Quote It's interesting when I post pics of Incarna (and EVE in general) on facebook and compare them to the cartoonish crap from other MMOs. EVE looks amazing. It's a real shame that they have the engine for avatar game play already in place, but are refusing to use it. Maybe we should get CCP to release the art assets from the existing CQs and get players to design a new space using them. Could be a fun competition. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 152	Posted - 2013.10.01 01:14:00 - [2394] - Quote CCPeen got pumped too much and exploded. Old avatars' style was better suited to the game's setting imo. I think they woulda made a better job to keep them and create an avatar gameplay engine based on that older graphic technology. Carbon was too hi-tech. They launched it half-baked and f*cked up.
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 336	Posted - 2013.10.01 02:11:00 - [2395] - Quote raven666wings wrote: Rhes wrote: Either way there still aren't enough to make CCP change the course of the game again. If subscriptions weren't going up every quarter you'd have an argument but they are so you don't. Make CCP change the couse of the game??? What are we now? Dellusional fanbois who think they own the game and force CCP to fire a whole dev team so they stop whining? Nope, we're all adults here Yes, we changed the course of the game when thousands of people canceled their subscriptions after Incarna was released. You guys keep bleating about the "total sci-fi emulator" that CCP was preparing in the years leading up to WiS being released...what do you think made them change direction?
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 336	Posted - 2013.10.01 02:13:00 - [2396] - Quote Flamespar wrote: It's interesting when I post pics of Incarna (and EVE in general) on facebook and compare them to the cartoonish crap from other MMOs. EVE looks amazing. It's a real shame that they have the engine for avatar game play already in place, but are refusing to use it. Maybe we should get CCP to release the art assets from the existing CQs and get players to design a new space using them. Could be a fun competition. They don't have the engine for avatar gameplay already in place. The engine developed for Incarna can't even support more than one person in a room.
Crasniya Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement 238	Posted - 2013.10.01 02:15:00 - [2397] - Quote Rhes wrote: They don't have the engine for avatar gameplay already in place. The engine developed for Incarna can't even support more than one person in a room. You have no evidence for this. The fact they haven't done it is not proof they can't. Rhes wrote: Subscribers have gone up every quarter since the summer of rage (since CCP put WiS nonsense on the back burner) and that is the only data that is needed. Funny thing: Look where Second Life is on there. And that's with like... no "meaningful gameplay" whatsoever. And every game on the chart with over a million subs... has at least something avatar gameplay related.
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 336	Posted - 2013.10.01 02:16:00 - [2398] - Quote Crasniya wrote: Funny thing: Look where Second Life is on there. And that's with like... no "meaningful gameplay" whatsoever. And every game on the chart with over a million subs... has at least something avatar gameplay related. You mean games that were designed from the ground up as avatar-based games?
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 152	Posted - 2013.10.01 03:10:00 - [2399] - Quote Rhes wrote: what do you think made them change direction? The fear of losing subscribers which in my opinion was overrated. The possible gains from keeping the Carbon team working on avatar gameplay would have been reaped and EVE would probably be at a better position right now. But as we discussed before, the cause for EVE's stagnation was not only the firing of the Carbon team, but also Dusts and Valkyries and the resources put on them instead of EVE.
Flamespar Woof Club 774	Posted - 2013.10.01 04:41:00 - [2400] - Quote If CCP are unable to create an engine that is unable to render more than one player in a room then they should close now. Every other game can manage it, except CCP apparently. Guess we have more faith than the trolls in CCPs ability. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone.



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