..I'm assuming that you think Star Citizen is going to be the Eve Killer. How original.

Unlike some people in this thread I spoke with my wallet. The only hypocrisy I see are people who say they can't enjoy this game without bathrobes and dance emotes but continue to pay (for multiple subs even!).

A thought for discussion - is CCP capable of creating a full-fledged avatar gaming universe?

A thought for discussion - is CCP capable of creating a full-fledged avatar gaming universe?

WoW IS dying. It was defiantly slain. But it wasn't a murder. It was suicide. WoW killed itself by introducing content that drastically conflicted with the established player base. They didn't listen to the criticism from their community, they would not be talked down off the ledge.

Pandas = Walking in station.

A thought for discussion - is CCP capable of creating a full-fledged avatar gaming universe?

I really don't know what was up with Incarna's resource hogging. CCP at least used to be known for making sure EVE could be played with fairly low end hardware, I remember playing EVE on computer with a 166Mhz Pentium MMX -CPU that had an integrated graphics card and 32Mb of RAM. This was back in 2005 or somewhere abouts, when far more powerful computers were available. CCP's insistence on low resource usage is one of the main reasons we don't have DX11 support yet, that, and that supposedly a whole lot of players even still run Windows XP. Mind you the community IIRC flipped their **** when CCP dropped the support for Windows 98 and ME.

Anyway, the lack of optimization for Incarna really surprised me because of that.

Btw I hope that SC and ED will affect EVE, even hurt it to some degree... because that would cause competition and thats good for us players.

Think abouf it. A badly coded program runs slow and doesn't really challenge the hardware,
which is easily noteable by lack of noise and heat.
The CQ though stressed hardware so much, it was literally burning out gfx cards.

That's no lack of optimization, they simply used up too much ressources in an efficient enough way
to kill off (probably overclocked) hardware.

Thers was no lack of optimization.

Think abouf it. A badly coded program runs slow and doesn't really challenge the hardware,
which is easily noteable by lack of noise and heat.
The CQ though stressed hardware so much, it was literally burning out gfx cards.

That's no lack of optimization, they simply used up too much ressources in an efficient enough way
to kill off (probably overclocked) hardware.

Thers was no lack of optimization.

Think abouf it. A badly coded program runs slow and doesn't really challenge the hardware,
which is easily noteable by lack of noise and heat.
The CQ though stressed hardware so much, it was literally burning out gfx cards.

That's no lack of optimization, they simply used up too much ressources in an efficient enough way
to kill off (probably overclocked) hardware.

I'd say that's a good thing, forces the people playing spectrum ZXs to come out of the electronic stone age and properly upgrade their systems once every couple of years as it should be.

The performance issue with Incarna went beyond simply burning out OC'd hardware, if even. At the time my system was right in the middle of hardware performance. Decent video card, decent processor. Certainly, it could not be characterized as meeting only the minimum system requirements of the game and yet CQ performance was horrendous. I've been building computers since, well, over 20 years, so I like to think I know at least how to spec out a system to my needs.

I recently rebuilt my system, new GPU included. Again, not to top of the line performance, I shoot for the most bang for the buck that I can while edging just over the line of mediocrity. I've found this to be a comfortable place. Given that we're now 2 years past Incarna's release one would think new generations of hardware would more than overcome performance requirements for Incarna. I was quite disappointed that it was still taxing my system, overly utilizing the GPU, fans complaining with their whirling as they attempted to keep my GPU cool. While I was in the +30fps arena with Incarna, it still suffered from laggy input and character control.

No, Incarna if optimized, is just poor code. If not optimized, is just poor coding. Either way you look at Incarna its bad. That CCP dropped it like a hot potato means there's nothing redeeming about it. Otherwise, customer complaints withstanding, CCP would not have abandoned it entirely. It was an investment. Or, just an alpha for WoD. Who knows. I'm sure half of what the community thinks they know isn't nearly what is reality within the iron curtain of CCP.

Their is also a calculator on the game client, CCP should immediately upgrade it, we need a scientific calculator, and later on, we need some tool like Matlab in EvE, just to expand the universe.

We are already happy and we're also excited about CCP's vision for the future of Eve. I feel bad for people who are too narrow-minded to see that vision even if it lacks dance emotes and bathrobes.

You're the one too narrow-minded to see the vision that CCP actually has, and has promoted. You're so afraid of change, you can't handle it. EVE has to grow and evolve.