CCP karkur introduces in her latest devblog our ideas how to improve tactical awareness in general the visual aspects of targeting in special. You can find the devblog here.

Please use this thread for all your constructive feedback.

That is; the opacity of the hit icon will indicate the impact to YOUR ship. If the hit takes a big chunk of your hitpoints (HP), you will see the attacker's hit icon flash strongly even if it was a pretty lousy shot for their equipment.

very nice change I also would like to see the brackets that are rotating around the main bracket to have a purpose like indicating the targets status for example

rotating brackets spinning fast is high transversal velocity or low when spinning slowly

rotating brackets have tight rotation around main bracket is good tracking a lose rotation is but tracking

rotating brackets have a different color or shape to indicate when in falloff off or optimal

also have the ship that is selected in bracket to be an instant live depiction of the target so we can see it's orientation


also have all this optional for those that prefer performers if effected.


any other suggestions regarding brackets are welcome

We are actually working on something like that... but we haven't started implementing it so I can't comment much more than that we are looking into that

this stuff is soooooo nice, was playing with it all day on my computer!

How about 'chance to hit' indicators.

Blue, "You could hit this with 1400's at 5m"
Green "Pretty good chance of hitting, you will likely do decent damage"
Yellow "This will be a challenge but it's doable."
Red "You would have an easier time shooting off a squirrel's nut with a BAR with no scope at one KM."

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CCP karkur introduces in her latest devblog our ideas how to improve tactical awareness in general the visual aspects of targeting in special. You can find the devblog here.

Please use this thread for all your constructive feedback.

I'm actually doing more PVP now than PVE... but I'm such a noob that I usually just die when people start shooting

But we are not planning on removing the damage notification... we will (most likely) be improving them, I'm not really sure though how (I just don't know right now).

And thank you

I have the photoshop skills of a stoned rabid wombat, but after reading the thread and seeing some of the mockups people have come up with, I cribbed one of them to add a couple of features that address some of the major concerns:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yczdff38xs99gff/TreborMockup.png

I took the circular, multicolored arrowed indicators (excellent cues) and added two additional features while maintaining a very compact layout:

1) Internal numeric blisters that appear when the ship takes shields/armor/hull damage and indicate the % remaining. This compensates for the smaller size of the bars and gives a more precise "at a glance" reading than the current setup.

2) External blisters in the 4 corners that contain green/yellow/red stoplight icons that can be used to indicate various states, like range, tracking, relative velocity, etc.

The numeric blister idea can, of course, be extended to do things like indicate lock times, etc.

Note that this kind of layout could be used to revamp the HUD itself.

Lots of good ideas in the thread, hope this stimulates even more.

While that looks like a good idea at first glance, it would propably cause lot of stress to the servers which would have to do all those calculations for hundreds of players on grid in real time..

I have the photoshop skills of a stoned rabid wombat, but after reading the thread and seeing some of the mockups people have come up with, I cribbed one of them to add a couple of features that address some of the major concerns:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yczdff38xs99gff/TreborMockup.png

I took the circular, multicolored arrowed indicators (excellent cues) and added two additional features while maintaining a very compact layout:

So... WHICH ONE ONE SHIELD?!!

Seriously, why don't I know this yet!?! Stop ignoring me just because I'm asking the difficult questions nobody else wants to ask!

So... WHICH ONE ONE SHIELD?!!

Seriously, why don't I know this yet!?! Stop ignoring me just because I'm asking the difficult questions nobody else wants to ask!

Why the hell are so many of you whining about being able to tell which bar is armor/shield/hull? Just as a person who has never played Eve has no ******* idea which of the stacked bars represents each, you won't be able to tell at a glance until you've actually used them a bit.

Because there is no hierarchy or apparent structure in the proposed image. With the current setup, you have three bars. You may not know the first time you look at them which one comes first, but there is an apparent order to them GÇö up-down or down-up. With the new circular display, there is no such apparent beginning or end GÇö it's just a circle that ends up where it begins.

Since damage application is not circular and won't come around for another lap, that's not really the appropriate visual language to employ. Having a clear disconnect between the beginning and end communicates the whole idea better.

God forbid you attempt using common sense or *gasp* play Eve for a bit to see which bar is which.

Are you honestly trying to tell me you can't keep track of the same 3 things you have been keeping track of for years in a slightly different pattern?

GǪor you could make it intuitive instead, since that's a far better idea. Why are you so angry that people want it to be more distinct and to communicate the notion of a beginning and end better?

No, I'm trying to tell you that it's better to visually communicate that there's a beginning and an end, rather than a continuous circle.

So... WHICH ONE ONE SHIELD?!!

Seriously, why don't I know this yet!?! Stop ignoring me just because I'm asking the difficult questions nobody else wants to ask!

Not angry, just sort of sad people continue to be this dense.

That sounds rather like a cosmetics opinion.

Why don't you just admit that you don't like the cosmetics of it and leave this whole "It's confusing" rubbish out of it then?

You're whining about the bars so you can have something to whine about. Not because there's any actual problem.

Good news: it has nothing to do with being dense. It has to do with communicating a simple idea: a beginning and an end GÇö something that the current design has and which is lost with the new one.

Not really. Go look at the speedometer or fuel gauge in your car. Most likely, they will both be in the form of parts of a circle. Why not the full circle? Because even though you know that if you accelerate beyond 250kph, you won't go back to stand-still, and even if you know that if you run the tank dry, it suddenly won't become full again, it's good visual communication to show that there is a 0-mark and there is a full-mark.

More good news: you are the one calling it confusing, not me.

Incorrect. I'm pointing out a GǣtypoGǥ in their design and proposing the same solution as everyone else who's ever designed something similar has employedGǪ because it's a good solution and it solves the actual problem of not properly communicating the existence of a begging and an end.