Suicide ganking is not going to stop, as its waaayyyyy too profitable..... so killrights will continue to be generated by people that don't understand why putting 200m in an iteron III or 20b in a Freighter is a bad idea. Those people can sell their killrights, to recoup some loss.

I really think the way you want "suspect flag" and killrights to go hand in hand is a bad idea!!! it really shouldn't be everyone in who comes by who should be allowed to shoot the person... why not just make it only the fleet you are in that can shoot the target?

you will end up with people with killrights on their head being completly unable to go anywhere near systems with high trafic/population

thus forcing people with killrights to stay away from places like Jita?... instead of having it be something that can encourage pvp (not that it wont be used)

It'll be a bad thing because, after every killright is claimed, there's nobody left to shoot.

That's the point. It's a downward spiral with no fresh content, once it's all used up.

I don't know if you know, but i can tell you *for sure* that most people are way too afraid of risking becoming FFA.

Did i express my concerns in a proper manner ?

TL;DR: What incentive is there to keep people onto shooting others, so killrights form ?

The best thing is you can put a kill right on your own head and bait fights.

1) Attack Alt in nub ship
2) Use alt to put 20 mil kill right on your head.
3) Put a bounty on your head for 20% of the cost of you ship.
4) Sit there in your 100mil ship waiting for someone to attack you hoping to make a quick easy 40mil
5) Dont die for 15 minutes (Run away/fight back??)
6) ??
7) 20mil Profit
8) Do this for 30 days
9) Repeat

They're just not convincing, especially in the face of the increased incentives to shoot people and the increased methods of generating those rights.

I cannot express this enough. This will be the *new* canflip.

Can anyone confirm that an aggressing a suspect in highsec allows them to fight back or will you just run away for 15 minutes?

Can anyone confirm that an aggressing a suspect in highsec allows them to fight back or will you just run away for 15 minutes?

CCP said people are ALWAYS allowed to defend themselves.

Ok so here in the new scenario based on this: FLAGS

Once you are engaged you fight back. If they engage in number in come the logistics. By assisting you with [Suspect] Flag they themselves become [Suspect] flagged, but they are able to rep you. You kill off the attackers. Loot their ships and wait for more to show up.

Suspects can fight back against anyone who attacks them. Doing so creates GÇ£limited engagementGÇ¥ GÇö the only player-to-player flag left in the game. Anyone butting in on a LE by providing remote support for either side will be flagged as suspect as well, so the suspect is pretty much on his own. The vigilante can get GÇ£supportGÇ¥ in the form of other people shooting the same suspect, but he is also largely SOL when it comes to remote reps and the like unless his logi buddies are really keen on becoming free-for-all targets.

So yes, he can fight back, but with restrictions on what else he can bring to the fight.


I don't see anything in the blog saying that they can't. It's more a matter of them having a harder time actually getting killrights to sell since, being outlaws, they're usually legal targets so attacking them won't trigger the C-flag that would give them the killright. If they manage to be illegally attacked, they should be able to sell it as well as anyone else.

Our current thinking on this is something like:

Assisting your own corp mates* in a Limited Engagement is always legally allowed (it won't be punished per se, but you'll still inherit any W/P/S/C flags they have)

But this is still something we're discussing
* Excluding NPC corps, and assisting Outlaws in high-sec

I don't see anything in the blog saying that they can't. It's more a matter of them having a harder time actually getting killrights to sell since, being outlaws, they're usually legal targets so attacking them won't trigger the C-flag that would give them the killright. If they manage to be illegally attacked, they should be able to sell it as well as anyone else.

Sure, but sooner or later, someone is going to get wind of that could of free-for-all logis and scrounge up a fleet to run in there and do some actual damageGǪ

GǪand either way, more pew-pew so, yay!

In short... you get free logistics from corp mates, alliance mates, and militia mates!!!

Please see the dev comment:

200m is 20% of 1bn. 200m is more than 20m.

Payout will be the bounty on top of whatever bling drops from a 1bn isk PvE ship. Not to mention a juicy killmail - which is the primary motivator of a lot of PvPers.

In the described scenario, bounty is just the icing on the cake. Or the flag which alerts you to a juicy target.

['m pretty sure any PvE ship worth 1billion ISK is going to have reasonably high EHP. You're going to need more than 3 friends (or you're going to making an investment in DPS and a bigger ship) to take down the PvE ship.

It also assumes that someone is going to be putting 1 bill ISK bounties on PvE pilots who mind their own business. Someone has to pay for that bounty; it isn't free.

Not many pvpers go to high sec for suicide gank killmails on which their losses exceed their gains.

edit: But if someone did put the bounty on you, just insure some battleships and have your noob alt kill you in WH, null, etc.

This new feature should come with a brand new bounty hunter helmet that is free on the NeX.

Just a thought.

Hey... what about allowing people to buy their bounty off, or just reduce it? ISK paid could be returned directly to the person that placed the bounty, or just donate it directly to the CONCORD children's fund (ISK sink).